Author Topic: Authentication - Rolex From 'Grey' Dealer (Read 15984 times)

tancho · « **on:** February 22, 2013, 01:17:37 PM »

Hi,

I'm a newbie, and on the verge of buying my first Rolex from a 'grey' dealer (a seemingly reputable dealer from the feedback in this forum). I'm going for the Submariner 116610LN, which is presently out of stock in most (if not all) the ADs in KL and Selangor. Hence, my option of getting from the 'grey' dealer, since it's cheaper as well.

I was informed by the said dealer (and another dealer I contacted on a previous occasion) that I can only authenticate the watch at the RSC after paying in full (by the way, the watch in question is brand new). However, they assured me that if the watch is confirmed fake by the RSC, I will get a full refund.

Is this the normal practice since I gather from the Singapore Rolex Owner forum that watches (including Rolex) are normally authenticated before the deal is closed. I assume this is also true for new watches acquired from 'grey' dealer in Singapore.

My concern is should the watch is found to be fake, the dealer might say that it was tampered with after it left their premises (or some other excuses).

Any advise/feedback from sifus is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and regards.

hanz079 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2013, 02:00:41 PM »

Buy the seller.
Extensive reference check is advised.

j0shua · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:19:23 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on February 22, 2013, 02:00:41 PM

Buy the seller.
Extensive reference check is advised.

This. If the dealer is a merchant here, then I would have to say it would be 99% authentic.

tancho · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:45:22 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on February 22, 2013, 02:00:41 PM

Buy the seller.
Extensive reference check is advised.

Thanks for your feedback

tancho · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:49:14 PM »

Quote from: j0shua on February 22, 2013, 04:19:23 PM

Quote from: hanz079 on February 22, 2013, 02:00:41 PM
Buy the seller.
Extensive reference check is advised.
This. If the dealer is a merchant here, then I would have to say it would be 99% authentic.

Yes, the merchants are listed here. Please see your PM. Thanks

dpkong · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2013, 05:10:13 PM »

This is the typical worry for first time buyers buying from grey dealers. In the end of the day, if the dealer is made aware that you are truly serious about buying and have the cash ready, they should be able to accommodate your authentication request. The transaction involves a substantial amount of money and should not be treated lightly, no matter how "big" the business of the seller may be.

Gigi · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2013, 08:22:53 PM »

If u bought it from the merchnt here then its safe

tancho · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2013, 09:29:09 PM »

Quote from: dpkong on February 22, 2013, 05:10:13 PM

This is the typical worry for first time buyers buying from grey dealers. In the end of the day, if the dealer is made aware that you are truly serious about buying and have the cash ready, they should be able to accommodate your authentication request. The transaction involves a substantial amount of money and should not be treated lightly, no matter how "big" the business of the seller may be.

Ok, thanks for your feedback

tancho · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2013, 09:29:44 PM »

Quote from: Gigi on February 22, 2013, 08:22:53 PM

If u bought it from the merchnt here then its safe

OK, thanks bro

Lurch · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2013, 09:33:39 PM »

I believe merchants from Mwf are all genuine
Else they would not hv survived this far

dpkong · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2013, 07:13:25 AM »

I wouldn't dare to go as far as trying to vouch for the sellers of MWF. No matter how good their track record is, there's always a slight chance that a transaction may not go well, and the poor buyer will come here seeking retribution.

Always do your homework with grey sellers, and if you decide to trust them, don't blame the forum or members if something goes wrong.

Quote from: Lurch on February 22, 2013, 09:33:39 PM

I believe merchants from Mwf are all genuine
Else they would not hv survived this far

I think so too but the above still applies.

1to12 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2013, 07:52:45 AM »

My "grey dealer" met me at RSC to "authenticate" the watch. Anyway, he has a brick and mortar shop, hence IMO, gives me more assurance and confidence. But I still try to do some background check or google for feedbacks when buying online.

All z best!

rolexland · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2013, 07:12:39 PM »

buy the seller and checking at Rolex services centre is fair enough. Because it is safe and save a lot effort to proven the watch.
sometime the grey dealer is more worries than you all end user because they are buying more than 1 watch from their so call dealer which is grey as well and they cannot effort to check one by one, this is what we say "trust the seller" . so Seller here is just another Buyer, but after end buyer prove the genuine one time and following another time whenever requested, the dealer is getting confident as well.

. I am sure your dealer is welcome you to check together before close the deal.

( oo .. of cause you have to pay the RM200++for the verification )

tancho · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2013, 07:33:56 PM »

Quote from: 1to12 on February 23, 2013, 07:52:45 AM

My "grey dealer" met me at RSC to "authenticate" the watch. Anyway, he has a brick and mortar shop, hence IMO, gives me more assurance and confidence. But I still try to do some background check or google for feedbacks when buying online.

All z best!

OK cheers

tancho · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2013, 07:34:28 PM »

Quote from: rolexland on February 25, 2013, 07:12:39 PM

buy the seller and checking at Rolex services centre is fair enough. Because it is safe and save a lot effort to proven the watch.
sometime the grey dealer is more worries than you all end user because they are buying more than 1 watch from their so call dealer which is grey as well and they cannot effort to check one by one, this is what we say "trust the seller" . so Seller here is just another Buyer, but after end buyer prove the genuine one time and following another time whenever requested, the dealer is getting confident as well. . I am sure your dealer is welcome you to check together before close the deal. ( oo .. of cause you have to pay the RM200++for the verification )

Thank you bro

rolexland · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2013, 07:42:07 PM »

hope u have a good deal!

Watchnewby · « **Reply #16 on:** February 26, 2013, 08:57:30 AM »

Quote from: 1to12 on February 23, 2013, 07:52:45 AM

My "grey dealer" met me at RSC to "authenticate" the watch. Anyway, he has a brick and mortar shop, hence IMO, gives me more assurance and confidence. But I still try to do some background check or google for feedbacks when buying online.

All z best!

Yes, this arrangement gives the buyer and the seller some relief that the watch is aunthenticated by RSC and is not a fake. I tend to agree with this type of arrangement if I buy from unknown seller.

I do agree with rolexland on the comment " buy the seller and checking at Rolex services centre is fair enough. Because it is safe and save a lot effort to proven the watch.
sometime the grey dealer is more worries than you all end user because they are buying more than 1 watch from their so call dealer which is grey as well and they cannot effort to check one by one, this is what we say "trust the seller" . so Seller here is just another Buyer, but after end buyer prove the genuine one time and following another time whenever requested, the dealer is getting confident as well. . I am sure your dealer is welcome you to check together before close the deal."

Hope you have a Good Deal, tancho!

Cheers.

tancho · « **Reply #17 on:** February 26, 2013, 08:43:08 PM »

Quote from: Watchnewby on February 26, 2013, 08:57:30 AM

Quote from: 1to12 on February 23, 2013, 07:52:45 AM
My "grey dealer" met me at RSC to "authenticate" the watch. Anyway, he has a brick and mortar shop, hence IMO, gives me more assurance and confidence. But I still try to do some background check or google for feedbacks when buying online.

All z best!

Yes, this arrangement gives the buyer and the seller some relief that the watch is aunthenticated by RSC and is not a fake. I tend to agree with this type of arrangement if I buy from unknown seller.

I do agree with rolexland on the comment " buy the seller and checking at Rolex services centre is fair enough. Because it is safe and save a lot effort to proven the watch.
sometime the grey dealer is more worries than you all end user because they are buying more than 1 watch from their so call dealer which is grey as well and they cannot effort to check one by one, this is what we say "trust the seller" . so Seller here is just another Buyer, but after end buyer prove the genuine one time and following another time whenever requested, the dealer is getting confident as well. . I am sure your dealer is welcome you to check together before close the deal."

Hope you have a Good Deal, tancho!

Cheers.

Thank you

effendy131 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 26, 2015, 07:40:30 PM »

I will go for authentication in RSC and pay money for this for peace of mind, even buying from reputable second hand dealer

Timeless · « **Reply #19 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:39:57 PM »

Always do the due diligence thoroughly

r3kahsttub · « **Reply #20 on:** October 26, 2015, 10:35:17 PM »

Get it authenticated at RSC for a RM2xx fee. Once confirmed that is real, then pay for the watch. I don't see why anyone should pay for the watch in full first before authenticating. Good luck with the purchase.

theseira · « **Reply #21 on:** October 27, 2015, 06:10:02 AM »

Definitely Authentication before paying.

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kygan711 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 27, 2015, 02:50:24 PM »

Really ? We can ask shop to bring watch to Authenticate before making payment to buy ?
I did not know that. That's a lot of work for the watch sellers.

D'Andy · « **Reply #23 on:** November 01, 2015, 06:26:46 AM »

Quote from: kygan711 on October 27, 2015, 02:50:24 PM

Really ? We can ask shop to bring watch to Authenticate before making payment to buy ?
I did not know that. That's a lot of work for the watch sellers.

From my limited experience, a grey reseller gave me assurances in writing that it was genuine or the monies paid plus authentification fee would be refunded, for authentication to be done within a 1-week period from purchase date, which was fair. To seek for authentication prior to purchase may have to depend on goodwill of the seller. If the buyer has yet to pay, and the watch was accidentally scratched during authentication and the buyer thereafter decides not to buy (eventhough the watch was genuine), then the seller would be left high and dry. I could therefore understood the reason that the seller shared.

On another case, I flipped a watch and gave the buyer the same window period to authenticate the watch. It was a full boxed set with all paperwork but the buyer was concerned as it was his first time getting a pre-owned. As the deal was getting nowhere as he wanted me to hold a post-dated cheque until he authenticated the watch, I decided to let go with another buyer. I was fortunate as there were a few takers and the reason I chose him was because he stayed near my place and could meet me at my convenience. When I informed him that the deal was off, he looked so disappointed that I thought, WTH, let's just go to the AD now and authenticate together prior to payment. He was a happy man thereafter, although we both wasted a good 2 hour from the traffic jam, the queue, etc.

End of the day, I think it was up to the buyer to have an arrangement with the seller on both parties' piece of mind.

antoniosaprozeld · « **Reply #24 on:** November 01, 2015, 01:18:53 PM »

I've bought bnib and pre-owned from both reasonable small time dealers that agreed to meet at rsc & richemont.. of course, verification at my cost.. we both as buyer and seller 'wasted' our time going thru traffic BUT to me its necessary.. i urge buyers to always insist on this.. so it becomes a standard practice..

I dont care for those big shops with their warranty claims on originality.. while they should cover any risk area, "cancellation" should not be one of it.. yup, i've gotten that excuse.. 'pay first, i dont want go thru all the trouble go to rsc, later u change ur mind'.. i hv a problem paying first, coz if there is a problem, risk is on me to collect.. its only fair to go verify & once verified, i'll pay whats agreed..

I hear dealers frustration of some buyers changing their minds after verification, most of the time after trying to force another round of discount.. but thats part of the business that you're trying to profit from..

As buyers we should not accept this excuse.. insist on your right..

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