Author Topic: Why no love for the Broad Arrow 3594.50? (Read 21838 times)

terrenceterrence · « **on:** March 28, 2011, 10:06:42 AM »

was surfing around and trying to understand all the variations of speedies and stumbled upon this particular model.

this model is a reissue of the first generation speedy from 57-59. although it shares the same 1861 cal. as most speedies, somehow the re-sale prices are way lower comparatively. is there really no love for this model?

looks real cool and seriously thinking maybe this would be my first omega if i decides to get one from the brand. a bargain to be had?

duke916sps · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2011, 10:18:40 AM »

I think there's a cream white dial with leather strap variation as well.

hanz079 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2011, 10:35:45 AM »

Yeah, I would love an answer for that as well.
Selling pre-owned is lower. Did not dare to pull the trigger coz no research at all...

All I know is I saw one brand new in my Local ADs place retail at 17k.
It's called the moonwatch replica in some circles

Maybe some sifus here (Mr.Hobbit? Manburg? CK?) can clear up some misconceptions about this piece and the why and how and whatnots?

ck77 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2011, 12:27:47 PM »

Not a sifu but I would like to share.

For some reason, Omega called this model as Broad Arrow 1957 'Replica' instead of reissue

They came on a bracelet (3594.50.00) and on a strap (3894.xx.xx). For the cream Broad Arrow, it is the later prodcution which fitted caliber 3313 movement.

Why that is less demand on this model?
I don't know, maybe it is due to the over popularity of the moonwatch (3570) than this 'replica'.
The other issue the silver hands, it will would completely disappear in bright light and making it hard to tell the time.

hanz079 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2011, 12:37:19 PM »

Did this version of the speedy gone to the moon?

ck77 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2011, 12:47:53 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on March 28, 2011, 12:37:19 PM

Did this version of the speedy gone to the moon?

This 'replica'? No, this model only lauched in 90s.
www.chronomaddox.com/moonmovement.html

hanz079 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2011, 12:55:48 PM »

Quote from: ck77 on March 28, 2011, 12:47:53 PM

Quote from: hanz079 on March 28, 2011, 12:37:19 PM
Did this version of the speedy gone to the moon?
This 'replica'? No, this model only lauched in 90s.
www.chronomaddox.com/moonmovement.html

I mean the 1957 version.
Note: After reading the link... I guess not...
Why is it called the moonwatch replica then?

terrenceterrence · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2011, 01:00:05 PM »

the 1957 is a pre-moonwatch model.

or u can say the daddy of the moonwatch

but i do believe it offers a great value for money being the same cal. special edition box and relative "scarcity" (just that you'll less likely to see one on another person's wrist).

ck77 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2011, 01:03:24 PM »

@hanz, this model is supposed to be the 'replica' of the 1957 original version.

@terrence, ya something different from normal moonwatch: sunken subdials, applied logo.

hanz079 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2011, 01:07:05 PM »

Oooohhh... DADDY of the moonwatch? I like that...

Wear this and see someone wearing a moonwatch? Ask him... who's yer daddy?

ck77 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2011, 01:10:55 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on March 28, 2011, 01:07:05 PM

Oooohhh... DADDY of the moonwatch? I like that...
Wear this and see someone wearing a moonwatch? Ask him... who's yer daddy?

This is just a pretender la

Go and get a real deal, i.e. ref CK2915, CK2998

Scott C. · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2011, 02:03:00 PM »

I almost get this one but at the end the deal called-off...

also, i dont' like it being call "replica" even it's not..it's just an reissue for the 1957 model.... and CK is right, might as well go for the real vintage then...

TheHobbit · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2011, 02:07:23 PM »

Marketing. I guess not many knew that the Speedmaster came out before the popular 'moonwatch'.

The original was the CK2915-1 (cal 321) made in 1957 with the so called broad Arrow hands, borrowed from the Omega Seamaster.
The next model, CK2998-2 (cal 321) made in 1958/59 with dolphin hands and the MKII dial.
The next model, CK2998-6 (cal 321) made in 1958/59 with dolphin hands and black dial (moon watch dial) and luminous chrono seconds hand.
The next model, CK2998-4 (cal 321) made in 1958/59 with dolphin hands and black dial (moon watch dial) and non luminous chrono seconds hand.

The CK2915 and CK2998 are very rare and difficult to find.

The next model, ST105003 (cal 321) made in 1964. Looks like the moon watch we now know and love, with straight hands.

Personally I do like the Broad Arrow reference 3594.50, but I guess it is 'safer' to go with the 3570.

ck77 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2011, 02:11:43 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on March 28, 2011, 02:07:23 PM

Personally I do like the Broad Arrow reference 3594.50, but I guess it is 'safer' to go with the 3570.

Why you say is 'safer'?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2011, 02:15:58 PM »

Quote from: ck77 on March 28, 2011, 02:11:43 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on March 28, 2011, 02:07:23 PM
Personally I do like the Broad Arrow reference 3594.50, but I guess it is 'safer' to go with the 3570.
Why you say is 'safer'?

Better price when you want to sell it. If I were to get a Speedmaster, I would get the Broad Arrow and not the 3750 as I do not (rarely) sell my watches. But if you do sell your watches (for what ever reason), the safer bet would be the 3750 as it is the 'more well known' Speedmaster.

hanz079 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2011, 05:09:22 PM »

Is this "reissue" or "replica" still in production?

Gigi · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2011, 06:48:15 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on March 28, 2011, 02:15:58 PM

Quote from: ck77 on March 28, 2011, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: TheHobbit on March 28, 2011, 02:07:23 PM
Personally I do like the Broad Arrow reference 3594.50, but I guess it is 'safer' to go with the 3570.
Why you say is 'safer'?

Better price when you want to sell it. If I were to get a Speedmaster, I would get the Broad Arrow and not the 3750 as I do not (rarely) sell my watches. But if you do sell your watches (for what ever reason), the safer bet would be the 3750 as it is the 'more well known' Speedmaster.

Agreed. But I hope ppl doesnt buy the watch for the sake of resale or watsoever.

ck77 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2011, 06:51:43 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on March 28, 2011, 05:09:22 PM

Is this "reissue" or "replica" still in production?

no more.

Friedrice · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2011, 08:39:13 PM »

Quote from: ck77 on March 28, 2011, 12:27:47 PM

Not a sifu but I would like to share.

For some reason, Omega called this model as Broad Arrow 1957 'Replica' instead of reissue

They came on a bracelet (3594.50.00) and on a strap (3894.xx.xx). For the cream Broad Arrow, it is the later prodcution which fitted caliber 3313 movement.

Why that is less demand on this model?
I don't know, maybe it is due to the over popularity of the moonwatch (3570) than this 'replica'.
The other issue the silver hands, it will would completely disappear in bright light and making it hard to tell the time.

And it is also partially because the broad arrow hands are way too big and it completely obstructs the view of the smaller indices (the minute and hour sub-dials for the chornograph function).

terrenceterrence · « **Reply #19 on:** March 29, 2011, 03:51:49 PM »

If you do like this piece, the preowned price is a good couple of hundred SGD cheaper than the "basic" moonwatch of the same age and condition.

chrisyen · « **Reply #20 on:** March 29, 2011, 10:33:18 PM »

Quote from: terrenceterrence on March 29, 2011, 03:51:49 PM

If you do like this piece, the preowned price is a good couple of hundred SGD cheaper than the "basic" moonwatch of the same age and condition.

really? pls pm me if u find any good condition with all box n papers

terrenceterrence · « **Reply #21 on:** March 30, 2011, 08:33:03 AM »

found a few on my visit to Japan. Try googling up Komehyo

also found a few in timezon and WUS round for 1.5-1.8k USD.

quite a good deal i reckon.

terrenceterrence · « **Reply #22 on:** March 30, 2011, 08:37:03 AM »

honestly, the whole "moonwatch" thing is a marketing hype.

yes, we all know NASA issued moonwatches to their astronauts but personally the Astronauts all prefer and wears their own Rolex GMT to space.

ck77 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 30, 2011, 09:14:35 AM »

Quote from: terrenceterrence on March 30, 2011, 08:37:03 AM

honestly, the whole "moonwatch" thing is a marketing hype.

yes, we all know NASA issued moonwatches to their astronauts but personally the Astronauts all prefer and wears their own Rolex GMT to space.

Hype or not, but speedy did went through few torturous test by NASA without scratch.

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Author Topic: Why no love for the Broad Arrow 3594.50? (Read 21838 times)