Which Chrono would you choose and why?

[kwh74]

Lets put it this way, what u like?

You are buying the chrono b'cos of the look or the mvmt itself?

Each of this model has their own unique selling point.

Tutima a good brand with the Lemania 5100, very military feel and proven track record.  After sales service and warranty will be a minor issue as not local agent.

Omega Moon Watch a legendary also a Lemania based cnrono mvmt.  Share with you all all Lemania based mvmt like the are assemble at Breguet Manufacture formerly known as Lemania Nouvelle (located in Vallee de Joux) b4 being send to Omega at Bienne to be case.  The Speedy Pro is like another AP Off Shore being made in various limited edition.

The Tudor Prince Chrono with the ever robust valjoux 7750 (the most understated of the valjoux 7750 being made unlike the famous IWC Pilot Chrono).  Value for money among the 4.

My favourite Hanhart Flieger Chrono as with the discon valjoux 7760 (a handwind of version valjoux 7750 with the auto).  It should have a slight convex dial and and a bend tip chrono second hand).  I think Hanhart will discon all their classic range and focus of the new version of collection.  Pls note that Hanhart is one of the watch supplier to the German Pilots during the WWII.  A very clean and simple watch.  Maybe you should look for the Primus Single button chrono as another choice, comes in auto or handwind.

All above all very unique pcs, and solely depends on your mood.

[David_cheong]

duke916sps;

Good read. Its a learning process everyday. Thanks for sharing.


dc

[chrisyen]

No poljot 3313 n glashutte cal 39...

[kltime]

Based on the 4 options , I wld probably go for the Omega.

Duke- good insight on the movements that power the chronos,TQ for sharing.

[duke916sps]

No Prob, just something to share. If anyone looking for good value 7750, Ollech & Wajs Mirage MKIII Chronograph is a pretty good pick, probably less than 3K, I think there'
s a shop in Singapore selling this name. Tough good old watch making culture..... not some overpriced ETA rebadge that we see so often these days ...

[ck77]

Don't forget Guinand and UHR with 7750 (EUR399; cheapest 7750) too.

[Gigi]

Lemania 5100 chrono movement... Really practical as i do dont need to do mental calculation on the chrono elaspe time.

[sshark]

With 5100 still need to do mental calculation??? the next better thing is the digital display.

[pexus]

Speedy speedy speedy...

[Gigi]

With 5100 still need to do mental calculation??? the next better thing is the digital display.

Lol sorry, i meant to be "dont". I type too fast lar... 

[spoonfork]

Production year, if I can remember correctly:

- Lemania 5100 - 1978
- Valjoux 7750 - 1973
- Omega 3570 calibre 1861 - originally cal 861 (based on cal 321 (based on some other cal)) produced in 1968. 1861 is rhodium plated, with extra jewels, a 1996 upgrade.
- Valjoux 7760 - 1985

I'd go for the Speedy. There's something unexplainable about wearing a watch with a 43-year old movement in today's modern and technology-driven world.

-Mel

[TheHobbit]

Production year, if I can remember correctly:

- Lemania 5100 - 1978
- Valjoux 7750 - 1973
- Omega 3570 calibre 1861 - originally cal 861 (based on cal 321 (based on some other cal)) produced in 1968. 1861 is rhodium plated, with extra jewels, a 1996 upgrade.
- Valjoux 7760 - 1985

I'd go for the Speedy. There's something unexplainable about wearing a watch with a 43-year old movement in today's modern and technology-driven world.

-Mel

Cal 321 - 1957
Cal 861 - 1968 Oscillation frequency per hour increased from 18,000 to 21,000, lower number of parts and used a shuttle/cam for the chronograph rather than the more traditional column wheel mechanism. Sometime between 1974 to 1976, the metal brake was replaced by the Delrin brake.
Cal 861L - 1980 same as 861 but now with Rhodium plating.
Cal 863 - 1980 same as 861 but with gold plating and Geneva wave
Cal 1861 - 1996 jewel count up to 18 from 17 and a plastic brake (Delrin) has replaced the metal brake. There is a cal 1863 which retains the metal brake and is used on moon watch with display back (it also has a more elaborate finish in general).

Basically:

Cal 321: chosen for the moon and went
Cal 861: built for the moon and did it go?
Cal 1861: sold through the moon and have yet to go

[kltime]

If anyone looking for good value 7750, Ollech & Wajs Mirage MKIII Chronograph is a pretty good pick, probably less than 3K, I think there'
s a shop in Singapore selling this name. Tough good old watch making culture..... not some overpriced ETA rebadge that we see so often these days ...

Wondering whether u cld post some pics of the O&W if u hv it n ur overall thoughts on the build quality,etc. As u said, quite reasonably priced with ETA inside..

[duke916sps]

If anyone looking for good value 7750, Ollech & Wajs Mirage MKIII Chronograph is a pretty good pick, probably less than 3K, I think there'
s a shop in Singapore selling this name. Tough good old watch making culture..... not some overpriced ETA rebadge that we see so often these days ...

Wondering whether u cld post some pics of the O&W if u hv it n ur overall thoughts on the build quality,etc. As u said, quite reasonably priced with ETA inside..

I am still searching for it as the shop in Sing didn't have the one I am looking for

however, here's a short wiki on the brand and the owner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ollech_%26_Wajs

and their web site: http://www.chronotime.ch/

[ivanswk]

bro ... Stowa Chronograph 1938 

[Friedrice]

Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch are incredibly underpriced for what is essentially a very desired Lemania based movement. Even if the Speedies were to double in price tomorrow to RM24,000+, it would still be quite cheap when compared to the Rolex Daytona and AP Offshore Chrono (which are more than double that).

There are essentially two mass market version of the moon watch, the 3570.50 and 3573.50. One is with a solid caseback and Hesalite crystal (3570.50) and the other is with a see through caseback and Sapphire crystal (3573.50). The 3570.50 features a plastic Delrin brake while the 3573.50 has a metal brake that can be seen through the sapphire caseback.

3570.50 is retailling for RM12.000+ while the 3573.50 is going for RM15,200.

[zameenzahari]

What?..no PAM chronos?.....I love my 250!

[ancs88]

What?..no PAM chronos?.....I love my 250!

True risti indeed!!!

[Friedrice]

Pam chronographs are very nice but they are not exactly value for money. They are actually trading at slightly above their fair value.

[terrenceterrence]

What?..no PAM chronos?.....I love my 250!

yeah love the 251 but with it trading round sgd7.5-8.5k used for a 7750, it hardly place it in the bang for the buck category.

would rather get a GMT/Alarm 98 for that price.

[zameenzahari]

Pam chronographs are very nice but they are not exactly value for money. They are actually trading at slightly above their fair value.

I think you just described the entire segment of luxury product my friend....its a luxury, not necessity..you never pay "fair" value for luxury products IMHO

[zameenzahari]

What?..no PAM chronos?.....I love my 250!

yeah love the 251 but with it trading round sgd7.5-8.5k used for a 7750, it hardly place it in the bang for the buck category.

would rather get a GMT/Alarm 98 for that price.

Ah, my bad..I missed your first post...let me vote as per the question...Omega of course

[Friedrice]

Pam chronographs are very nice but they are not exactly value for money. They are actually trading at slightly above their fair value.

I think you just described the entire segment of luxury product my friend....its a luxury, not necessity..you never pay "fair" value for luxury products IMHO

That's where you are mistaken, my friend. JLC makes great watches at fair prices. While Patek Philippe watches are overvalued. Rolexes are overpriced and so are panerai's. Azimuth a tad undervalued, especially their complicated models (ie. SP-1 mecanique spaceship). Omega's are now very undervalued but is rising fast (just check out the American price list for 2011. Some models have jumped 30%).

What I'm trying to say is that some luxury brands may have already reached a plateau in terms of pricing (unless they want to price themselves out of the market). But there are hidden gems out there that have the potential to grow. It is those that I would categorize as undervalued at the moment.

But you do have a valid point when you said that all luxury goods are overpriced. that I must agree is very true. But it won't be a luxury item if it is priced at casio's price point, would it?

[zameenzahari]

Pam chronographs are very nice but they are not exactly value for money. They are actually trading at slightly above their fair value.

I think you just described the entire segment of luxury product my friend....its a luxury, not necessity..you never pay "fair" value for luxury products IMHO

That's where you are mistaken, my friend. JLC makes great watches at fair prices. While Patek Philippe watches are overvalued. Rolexes are overpriced and so are panerai's. Azimuth a tad undervalued, especially their complicated models (ie. SP-1 mecanique spaceship). Omega's are now very undervalued but is rising fast (just check out the American price list for 2011. Some models have jumped 30%).

What I'm trying to say is that some luxury brands may have already reached a plateau in terms of pricing (unless they want to price themselves out of the market). But there are hidden gems out there that have the potential to grow. It is those that I would categorize as undervalued at the moment.

But you do have a valid point when you said that all luxury goods are overpriced. that I must agree is very true. But it won't be a luxury item if it is priced at casio's price point, would it?

Value is subjective IMHO...what is fair to you might not be fair to others...in the end it balls down to personal preference/financials/interest/passion....whatever the brand is. Take me for instance..I'd be happy to pay some "unfair" price for PAMs with ETA/Valjoux movements because I am passionate about the brand/design ethos/history etc...and in my view, I am paying "fair" value while obviously it is not to you...and on the other hand I , while appreciate the smooth, creamy JLC movements, I am not taken by its design ethos etc..hence, whatever I'm paying, it'll be in my view not "fairly" priced...

In short, one cannot generalize when it comes to matter of preference (which I think plays a significant part in luxury purchases). Somebody told me back in the year 2000/2001 that the PAMs are overpriced and it has reached peak prices and that its a fad that will come crashing to the ground...11 years on and I'm still waiting for that....(having said that I am still amazed that there are a lot of people out there who is willing to pay USD30k for my PAM360 which I purchased just in November last year....you tell me is that "fair"?)   

[TheHobbit]

Luxury goods are defined as "In general, a good (or service) that is not essential but makes life more enjoyable. Luxury goods are often more expensive and primarily purchased by people with more wealth and income. Using more precise, technical language, a luxury good exists if the income elasticity of demand is positive and greater than one. In other words, as people receive more income, they devote an increasingly larger share of income to the purchase of luxury goods."

Most brand like JLC, Patek, Rolex, Panerai are all over priced. But there are reasons why you pay more for these brands. The watch itself, the movement inside, the advances made in the case, movement and what ever else. It is the comfort you receive when you know when something goes wrong, there is a service center in your country that can sort you out. Even than, the quality of the people behind these service centers differs like heaven and hell, but I digress. Of course you also pay for the adverts, the need to have popular people wearing the brand, fight against counterfeit and a whole host of other things.

In my 20 + years of collecting watches, I have seen and noted that prices have gone up and up with little or no apparent reasons. With regards to one brand having better value as compared to others, let me tell you no. Most brands do not offer good or great value, no matter what you have been lead to believe. Retail prices and actual cost of the watches do not co-relate.

Just enjoy what you have, buy what you want and can afford. Watch companies will price a watch at what ever price they believe they can get away with and trust me, most of the time, they do.