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Offline theseira

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Watches as investment 2.0!! Real example
« on: November 30, 2015, 08:29:26 AM »
Hi guys back in 2013 December I was gathering prices for AP 15202. Below is the correspondence from AP KL. the price is around 63k ringgit.



Today November 2015 my friend ask how much for the same piece. Behold the price a whopping 81k+ ringgit.



Please feel free to comment or share your real life experience.



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Re: Watches as investment 2.0!! Real example
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 08:32:29 AM »
Looks increase a lot..

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2015, 09:36:54 AM »

Looks increase a lot..

Yea almost 30%. Even second hand going for  way over the December 2013 price o. 



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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2015, 09:56:08 AM »
hmm.
dec 2013 - usd 1 = rm3.2.
nov 2015 - usd1 = rm4.3.
increase of 34%, not inclusive of GST.

so what should happen then if the USD somehow stabilizes next yr?
lose money? :P

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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 10:39:08 AM »
hmm.
dec 2013 - usd 1 = rm3.2.
nov 2015 - usd1 = rm4.3.
increase of 34%, not inclusive of GST.

so what should happen then if the USD somehow stabilizes next yr?
lose money? :P

I can't say what will happen when the USD stabilizes.

All I know is based on the facts provided, it shows that if you had bought this piece in 2013 you would not lose money, you would have gained a fair bit and have a killer piece to wear and enjoy.

Keep in mind that the second hand price of this model goes from high 17k to 19k USD and have been that way for a few years. It goes very fast at high 17k USD.

PS:
I know someone lucky here in MWF paid below 63k ringgit for this piece.

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2015, 01:06:48 PM »
Your calculations / facts are based on the retail prices were misleading. The "profit" gained from was the retail prices difference between now and then. I would consider it an investment when someone willing to buy the watch from me for more than rm63k (assuming that is the price I paid in 2013). Even then, I have not factor in the inflations and radical drop in the exchange rate. Case in point, a Sub sold in 2007 was rm17k++, the on going average selling prices were around rm15~16k a few months back. I don't have the exact transaction figures, so I take the private sellers' price as indications. I do not foresee I will make a profit this year or next, or significant profile for the next 3 years on notwithstanding sudden change in the world, nation economy or the said company welfare situation.

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2015, 01:40:19 PM »
I think I got my wife's jumbo during mid 2013 abt rm67k after 5% rebate and without gst at that time. The retail price should have been abt rm71k. If you ask me whether there is money made investing in watches. Definitely no!

With the condition that her watch is in. I doubt I can even sell it for half its perceived value.  :Laughing_on_floor:

However the joy that it has brought her (strapping it on). And it giving her a deeper understanding of quality watches. Now this is priceless....... because I'm not nagged that much when getting what I want.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2015, 01:47:43 PM »
Your calculations / facts are based on the retail prices were misleading. The "profit" gained from was the retail prices difference between now and then. I would consider it an investment when someone willing to buy the watch from me for more than rm63k (assuming that is the price I paid in 2013). Even then, I have not factor in the inflations and radical drop in the exchange rate. Case in point, a Sub sold in 2007 was rm17k++, the on going average selling prices were around rm15~16k a few months back. I don't have the exact transaction figures, so I take the private sellers' price as indications. I do not foresee I will make a profit this year or next, or significant profile for the next 3 years on notwithstanding sudden change in the world, nation economy or the said company welfare situation.

Interesting point on the sub. Mate regarding the Sub are you referring to 14060M? back in December 2013 I saw those going for 12-13k ringgit. not all subs are the same. Are you able to clarify?

Ok with regards to the AP 15202

Let me clarify:

As of today:

The investment in AP 15202 in 2013 for approx. 63k ringgit would have provided the investor with "a Hedge against the falling Ringgit and inflation with a solid return of 25% on investment (refer to point 3 for calcs)" it also provides the investor with the enjoyment of wearing it  :)

1) a dealer I know recently sold one second hand piece for $18,500 USD - that is around 78,500 Ringgit. please note retail price from AP is around 81,000 Ringgit.
2) if you bought it in December 2013 for around 63k Ringgit you wear and enjoy it, and today you decide to cash out, it is not hard to privately sell it for above 75k ringgit right now! key word is right now.
3) For me very simple maths le - 78,500 ringgit  less 63k = 15,500 ringgit profit + enjoyment of wearing the watch for almost 2 years.

We do not know what the future will be like. But for now whoever purchased this piece around 63k ringgit can cash out for a profit of at around 20+++% today.

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2015, 01:55:53 PM »
Not just AP, i had calculate brands from Patek and Rolex. The price increased about 30-35%! Just imagined if i had some cash to buy few high demand models back at 2013  :(

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2015, 01:56:07 PM »
I think I got my wife's jumbo during mid 2013 abt rm67k after 5% rebate and without gst at that time. The retail price should have been abt rm71k. If you ask me whether there is money made investing in watches. Definitely no!

With the condition that her watch is in. I doubt I can even sell it for half its perceived value.  :Laughing_on_floor:

However the joy that it has brought her (strapping it on). And it giving her a deeper understanding of quality watches. Now this is priceless....... because I'm not nagged that much when getting what I want.

Mate is yours a 15202 jumbo or what? can share some pics? if 15202 sure you can sell for above 75k ringgit man.



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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2015, 03:47:36 PM »
I am referring to Sub Date 16610. From the SG forum AP 15300, the price hovered between SG$14K to SG$15K. I do agree there are few models  that retain their values or appreciate in values. Are you just going to buy those watches because they increase their holding values  or because you like to wear them?

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2015, 04:10:06 PM »

I am referring to Sub Date 16610. From the SG forum AP 15300, the price hovered between SG$14K to SG$15K. I do agree there are few models  that retain their values or appreciate in values. Are you just going to buy those watches because they increase their holding values  or because you like to wear them?



 16610 now so cheap a. I might get one if its around 15k ringgit. This is value for money!!!

Yea I have a main criteria when acquiring watches. It has to satisfy both the value retention and at the same time i have to like the piece.

Still looking for a 5131 at retail price. It's impossible to find at the price. Probably be my last watch if I manage to get a good deal.


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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2015, 05:51:08 PM »
I bought my AP 15300  at below rm30k in 2013 preowned, now i noticed mkt price cam fetch around  rm42k, close to 15400 preowned. :Cheers:

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2015, 06:41:40 PM »

I am referring to Sub Date 16610. From the SG forum AP 15300, the price hovered between SG$14K to SG$15K. I do agree there are few models  that retain their values or appreciate in values. Are you just going to buy those watches because they increase their holding values  or because you like to wear them?



 16610 now so cheap a. I might get one if its around 15k ringgit. This is value for money!!!

Yea I have a main criteria when acquiring watches. It has to satisfy both the value retention and at the same time i have to like the piece.

Still looking for a 5131 at retail price. It's impossible to find at the price. Probably be my last watch if I manage to get a good deal.


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 I think the 16610 later model with RolexRolexRolex Rehault and no lug holes may be going for RM21k - RM22k

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2015, 06:43:22 PM »
I bought my AP 15300  at below rm30k in 2013 preowned, now i noticed mkt price cam fetch around  rm42k, close to 15400 preowned. :Cheers:

Does this mean now AP price appreciation > Rolex?

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2015, 08:18:19 PM »


I am referring to Sub Date 16610. From the SG forum AP 15300, the price hovered between SG$14K to SG$15K. I do agree there are few models  that retain their values or appreciate in values. Are you just going to buy those watches because they increase their holding values  or because you like to wear them?



 16610 now so cheap a. I might get one if its around 15k ringgit. This is value for money!!!

Yea I have a main criteria when acquiring watches. It has to satisfy both the value retention and at the same time i have to like the piece.

Still looking for a 5131 at retail price. It's impossible to find at the price. Probably be my last watch if I manage to get a good deal.


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 I think the 16610 later model with RolexRolexRolex Rehault and no lug holes may be going for RM21k - RM22k

Yes, there's no way one could get a good condition 16610 for rm15k....maybe 4-5 years ago, but certainly not now.... A quick check online revealed the price between the range of 18-24k for 16610 depending on whether full package or not and condition.....


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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2015, 08:38:21 PM »
I'm actually happy with my AP26401. I bought it few months ago from overseas and now if I want to sell it off I would make min 10k for quick sale or if I want to wait for the right buyer I can make at least around 18k-20k. Quite good for less than 1 year watch. Btw I have never regretted buying it and I don't see that I'm going to sell the watch anytime soon.

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2015, 04:43:13 AM »
I would say AP's price appreciation depends on the models, which are mainly the RO and ROO. For example, i dont think the Millenary gets appreciation in pre-owned market. Im not being biased but i have to say that almost all Rolex models even the common DateJust models having higher resale value year by year. I've never seen nor experienced a drop of percentage interms of price from Rolex watches year by year! I do remember early this year/late last year that most brands like Patek and AP for example decrease in price for quite some time and rolex increased the price up to 3%. That just show how successful Rolex brand is IMO :)
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2015, 04:49:41 AM »
Not to forget, Rolex increased their price twice this year and it is still high in demand!

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2015, 04:51:00 AM »
AFAIK rolex increased price on 1st April gst. 1st Oct. When was the other time?

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2015, 04:54:01 AM »
AFAIK rolex increased price on 1st April gst. 1st Oct. When was the other time?

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Rolex SubC LN was 27-29k after GST this year and now it has become to 30-35k this year also? I've been through ADs and Grey Dealers. Thats crazy man! GMT BLNR is now 40k. I remember last year was 28k

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2015, 04:55:44 AM »
Yes it's true

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2015, 05:33:51 AM »
 it seems that based on today's market prices a lot of wrist watches have gone up in value.

Btw sshark seems like the model you mention 16610 if you bought a few months back at 15k ringgit you would been sitting on some gains today!

Suddenly watches have become an investment!


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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2015, 07:47:44 AM »
i do agree few brands, hot models is gaining value in Ringgit for last few mths

rolex sport models
AP Ro/ROO even ROC
PP
etc

how ever i cant agree with watches as investment
only rare and vintage watches in demand is investment grade watches

u may throw in more cases like above
i will still say, ppl who buy expensive watches are frequent traveler, hence watches is internationally traded
last few mths when ringgit drop, causing watch price in ringgit rise.

so summary shd be - ringgit dropped

 instead of

watches as investment



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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2015, 07:50:49 AM »
Or maybe watches r a good currency hedge? At a certain point in time?


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