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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2015, 12:50:37 AM »
Kai zen is continuous improvement, but not of the same process or product. From Wikipedia:

"While kaizen (at Toyota) usually delivers small improvements, the culture of continual aligned small improvements and standardization yields large results in terms of overall improvement in productivity. "

Hence, by applying kai zen one would expect relatively rapid increase in productivity, quality, and evolution of product design.
btw for what it's worth, on second thought after a careful read particularly on the last para, the wikipedia quote still doesnt support your conclusion: rapid increase productivity = rapid improvement in processes; and 'evolution' of product design (not revolution)=sounds familiar?


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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2015, 12:55:40 AM »
I hope to read more stories of your horological pilgrimage.

To be honest I think I'm pretty much done, my journey is over, but we'll see. I've got my one true horological love:




This, for me, is the best watch yet because it does everything I need, looks good doing it, and NEVER let's me down (I don't wear a suit to work):




I really like the Glycine 7750 I picked up the other day because it is something different to my usual collection, but I can't see myself getting another:




And that's about all I have left now. Everything else has been sold or is for sale. Maybe I'll keep one of my Sumos. Or maybe I am done!
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2015, 12:59:23 AM »
I saw that coming....thanks for the mba 101 lesson...... In watch context, that sounds like an iWatch or a superquartz to me.....


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Which is pretty much where we are at today. The system works!

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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2015, 01:02:16 AM »
Indeed, if you say so.....that's what makes us human....diversity....appeal and taste varies....and, if that makes you happy and what you are fond of....i respect and admire that....btw, nice collection u have there....i love the glycine....would love to buy one, one day!


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Re: Recliner's Rolex Journey
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2015, 01:04:50 AM »
Kai zen is continuous improvement, but not of the same process or product. From Wikipedia:

"While kaizen (at Toyota) usually delivers small improvements, the culture of continual aligned small improvements and standardization yields large results in terms of overall improvement in productivity. "

Hence, by applying kai zen one would expect relatively rapid increase in productivity, quality, and evolution of product design.
btw for what it's worth, on second thought after a careful read particularly on the last para, the wikipedia quote still doesnt support your conclusion: rapid increase productivity = rapid improvement in processes; and 'evolution' of product design (not revolution)=sounds familiar?


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Definitely sounds familiar. There are very few revolutionary products, things tend to evolve over time. But with the benefit of 30 years of evolution you get from a simple mechanical dive watch to an Aqualand. Comparing the first product to the last, the Aqualand would appear revolutionary, but we all know how many baby steps were required to get there.

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Re: Recliner's Rolex Journey
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2015, 01:11:00 AM »
Indeed, if you say so.....that's what makes us human....diversity....appeal and taste varies....and, if that makes you happy and what you are fond of....i respect and admire that....btw, nice collection u have there....i love the glycine....would love to buy one, one day!


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Thanks!  I think I'm happy with it. For now! Actually I don't really care as much as I used to. I had my first child recently, watches don't seem to matter nearly as much now!  As long as I know what day it is and when he last had a feed...

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Re: Recliner's Rolex Journey
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2015, 05:47:03 AM »
Indeed, if you say so.....that's what makes us human....diversity....appeal and taste varies....and, if that makes you happy and what you are fond of....i respect and admire that....btw, nice collection u have there....i love the glycine....would love to buy one, one day!


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Thanks!  I think I'm happy with it. For now! Actually I don't really care as much as I used to. I had my first child recently, watches don't seem to matter nearly as much now!  As long as I know what day it is and when he last had a feed...

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sounds you had your Rolex at quite a young age and love your KS :thumbsup:

Congratz and welcome to fatherhood, i'm at 4 months and i some times still loose count of his last feed :Laughing_on_floor:

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Re: Recliner's Rolex Journey
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2015, 06:12:36 AM »
I actually dreamt I fed him the other night. It wasn't until my wife noticed that nothing had been touched that we realised he hadn't actually been fed!

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2015, 10:59:38 AM »
A brand that allows me to be engaged in a patient and careful hunt ..looking for the right model, right price....as tons of them are available at the preowned market all over the world...

A brand that has thousands of wrist shots , postings, comments, reviews out there .....giving me the opportunity to educate myself before commiting to a particular purchase ....

A brand that is equipped with a robust, easy to service movement and some degree of luxury and history....an almost perfect daily beater (ok ok..weekly beater since i do rotate... ;D)

And after years of abuse, if necessary, I can still sell it at a reasonable price ...
 
So...at the risk of being called a fan boy....yeah..rolex suits a kiasu/kiasi character like me.... ;D ;D

apa lagi saya mahu?  ;D ;D
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Re: Recliner's Rolex Journey
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2015, 01:03:41 PM »
I hope to read more stories of your horological pilgrimage.

To be honest I think I'm pretty much done, my journey is over, but we'll see. I've got my one true horological love:



This, for me, is the best watch yet because it does everything I need, looks good doing it, and NEVER let's me down (I don't wear a suit to work):



I really like the Glycine 7750 I picked up the other day because it is something different to my usual collection, but I can't see myself getting another:


And that's about all I have left now. Everything else has been sold or is for sale. Maybe I'll keep one of my Sumos. Or maybe I am done!

I like your Seiko Hi-Beat. What year is it from?
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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2015, 02:17:20 PM »
I like your Seiko Hi-Beat. What year is it from?

Thanks mate!

It's from July 1969 and is the nicest I've seen.  Pretty much every other one you'll come across has been over-polished to buggery.  The case edges should actually look sharp, like this:



It's abso-freaking-lutely stunning, IMO - Seiko really haven't topped it to this day, so they just re-released it instead!.  I can't get enough of the perfect case, dial and hand proportions, and the super-smooth sweep of the impossibly thin seconds hand.

Unmolested, 100% original - to me this is what watch collecting is all about.  When it was released it was one of the finest watches in the world but some 40 years later it barely registered a blip on anybody's Ebay radar.  You had to really know watches to appreciate what it is, and therefore it was almost embarrassingly cheap at the time.  Since then prices have gone right up yet it still represents amazing value for a high end vintage watch.

If only it was a complete set...
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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2015, 02:37:20 PM »
Don't talk to me about Seiko  :P

Nobody, who's fortunate enough to afford one, should be without a Rolex in their collection. They are the fish and chips of the watch lovers world...there's better, but sometimes that's all you want.

Seiko, Grand or not....No thanks.

Nobby  8)

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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2015, 02:46:35 PM »
I like your Seiko Hi-Beat. What year is it from?

Thanks mate!

It's from July 1969 and is the nicest I've seen.  Pretty much every other one you'll come across has been over-polished to buggery.  The case edges should actually look sharp, like this:



It's abso-freaking-lutely stunning, IMO - Seiko really haven't topped it to this day, so they just re-released it instead!.  I can't get enough of the perfect case, dial and hand proportions, and the super-smooth sweep of the impossibly thin seconds hand.

Unmolested, 100% original - to me this is what watch collecting is all about.  When it was released it was one of the finest watches in the world but some 40 years later it barely registered a blip on anybody's Ebay radar.  You had to really know watches to appreciate what it is, and therefore it was almost embarrassingly cheap at the time.  Since then prices have gone right up yet it still represents amazing value for a high end vintage watch.

If only it was a complete set...

Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2015, 04:10:29 PM »
Don't talk to me about Seiko  :P

Nobody, who's fortunate enough to afford one, should be without a Rolex in their collection. They are the fish and chips of the watch lovers world...there's better, but sometimes that's all you want.

Seiko, Grand or not....No thanks.

Nobby  8)

Yes, sure, but you don't actually know much about watches.  And this is a watch forum.  Pay attention and you might learn something!

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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2015, 04:12:50 PM »
It is indeed great to read and see one achieve what one wants on his journey in the horology world. Congrats. I wish I could say the same for me and can close my journey. I am indeed close, but not there yet....

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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2015, 04:23:08 PM »
I actually dreamt I fed him the other night. It wasn't until my wife noticed that nothing had been touched that we realised he hadn't actually been fed!

 :Startled:
many more night ahead, good luck bro ;D

and Nobby had a horrible experience with his GS, thus the negativity towards Seiko, forgot which thread...

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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2015, 05:30:30 PM »
I actually dreamt I fed him the other night. It wasn't until my wife noticed that nothing had been touched that we realised he hadn't actually been fed!

 :Startled:
many more night ahead, good luck bro ;D

and Nobby had a horrible experience with his GS, thus the negativity towards Seiko, forgot which thread...

Is he the guy who worked out GS isn't a good ship yard watch?  I wouldn't normally care too much but it is pretty poor form crapping in my thread about a watch that obviously means a lot to me. It would be different if it was a thread asking whether I should buy a GS.

Regardless, the guy doesn't know much about watches.
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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2015, 06:01:25 PM »
Like a broken record, he has reiterated his opinion on other Seiko related threads many times. It's just his opinion.

On to more important matters, could you tell us a bit more about the KS? How did you come across it and how does it perform so far, service and user's experience?

The more I look at it the more I like it!

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« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2015, 06:26:37 PM »
Actually everyone have a right to their own opinion. A person's horological journey reflects a person's current situation (career, peers, financial etc)or aspirations.

Interesting enough, if you care to skim thru Jason's posting since he joined the forum, you were able to see the evolution of his thought flow. During the beginning, he posted several pic of his Rolex Sub, then came the Omega before switching to Seiko. Some of his more impressionable posting include how people praised his Seiko watch rather than his Omega & Rolex, and if you notice, he does have an active lifestyle (gardening & biking which falls under Seiko' target market). Not to mention with his newborn baby, focus and aspirations naturally be shifted.

We can't discount if one day, Jason would change his mind years down the road. Only time will tell.


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Re: Recliner's Rolex Journey
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2015, 09:37:32 PM »
I actually dreamt I fed him the other night. It wasn't until my wife noticed that nothing had been touched that we realised he hadn't actually been fed!

 :Startled:
many more night ahead, good luck bro ;D

and Nobby had a horrible experience with his GS, thus the negativity towards Seiko, forgot which thread...

Is he the guy who worked out GS isn't a good ship yard watch?  I wouldn't normally care too much but it is pretty poor form crapping in my thread about a watch that obviously means a lot to me. It would be different if it was a thread asking whether I should buy a GS.

Regardless, the guy doesn't know much about watches.
i think that's the one ;D

i'm interested in the KS too by the way, similar questions with sir sidestreaker

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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2015, 07:10:02 AM »
I actually dreamt I fed him the other night. It wasn't until my wife noticed that nothing had been touched that we realised he hadn't actually been fed!

 :Startled:
many more night ahead, good luck bro ;D

and Nobby had a horrible experience with his GS, thus the negativity towards Seiko, forgot which thread...

Is he the guy who worked out GS isn't a good ship yard watch?  I wouldn't normally care too much but it is pretty poor form crapping in my thread about a watch that obviously means a lot to me. It would be different if it was a thread asking whether I should buy a GS.

Regardless, the guy doesn't know much about watches.
Jason - Calm yourself down sunshine. It's your ball and you don't want to play anymore, that's fine, no worries.
For the record: You were summarizing your ownership experiences with both Rolex and Seiko...and so was I.
Chill  ::)
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Re: Recliner's Rolex Journey
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2015, 09:22:20 AM »
I actually dreamt I fed him the other night. It wasn't until my wife noticed that nothing had been touched that we realised he hadn't actually been fed!

 :Startled:
many more night ahead, good luck bro ;D

and Nobby had a horrible experience with his GS, thus the negativity towards Seiko, forgot which thread...

Is he the guy who worked out GS isn't a good ship yard watch?  I wouldn't normally care too much but it is pretty poor form crapping in my thread about a watch that obviously means a lot to me. It would be different if it was a thread asking whether I should buy a GS.

Regardless, the guy doesn't know much about watches.
Jason - Calm yourself down sunshine. It's your ball and you don't want to play anymore, that's fine, no worries.
For the record: You were summarizing your ownership experiences with both Rolex and Seiko...and so was I.
Chill  ::)
Nobby

So start your own damn thread. As I said, it's extremely poor form to crap in somebody's thread celebrating a watch they love.

I'm no fan of Hublot, for example. If somebody is asking whether to get a Hublot or Rolex, I'll recommend the Rolex and explain why. If somebody is posting about the Hublot they just bought and love, I'm not going to jump in and tell them why they should have bought a Rolex. Because I'm not a dickhead. Do you see the difference?

Here's a thought. Just don't post in any of my threads. You have literally nothing to add that I couldn't hear from the local dopey Rolex salesperson.

Chilled enough for you, brah?

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Erm... Now all THAT is out of the way... (apologies to the more gentlemanly members!)

For Sir Sidestreaker and Sir Kenji, without boring the entire forum to death with the excruciating minutiae of high end vintage Seiko and the Swiss Chronometre competitions... Back in the day Seiko had two Japanese factories, Suwa and Daini.  They were effectively competing with each other, as well as competing with the Swiss to build the most accurate watches on the world and also for the right to print Chronometre on the dial. One part of the story is that Seiko won, the Swiss declared that only a Swiss watch could be classified a Chronometre, Seiko devised their own internal and more stringent accuracy specs, and that is why very few Seikos are labeled Chronometre. But that's another story!

Meanwhile, Suwa and Daini were trying to outdo each other. Daini devised Grand Seiko so Suwa came up with King Seiko. Both, naturally, were superb.  At some point, however, Seiko put an end to this internal rivalry and ran with Grand Seiko only.

Everybody knows of Grand Seiko now but KS has been forgotten by most and flown under the radar. It's really only been in the last few years that more collectors have become aware of the GS/KS relationship.

I picked mine up on the Bay years ago for cheap. I think it was cheap because not many people wanted a KS, and this one is not highly polished. Which is why I love it.  Most of the examples you see these days have been polished to a near mirror finish to emulate modern GS at the expense of all those sharp angles and edges. That would be the first thing to watch out for if one was to hunt one down.

The movement is a peach.  A relatively simple manual winder running at 36,000 bph. Easy to service but getting parts is tricky.  Simply decorated but beautifully finished.

Oh, one more thing. This baby's got back:



That gold medallion makes me warm and gooey (make sure it's in good condition if you're buying. Gold is soft and they tend to wear down noticeably).

If you made it this far thanks for reading!
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2015, 11:14:05 AM »
Were the case back engravings added by previous owner? Seems to be celebrating 25th year anniversary of a company. How cool if you knew the story behind. Also never expected a watch from the 60s to look so great.

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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2015, 11:25:53 AM »
Were the case back engravings added by previous owner? Seems to be celebrating 25th year anniversary of a company. How cool if you knew the story behind. Also never expected a watch from the 60s to look so great.

My Japanese friend translated the characters for me.  This watch was a gift to an employee to celebrate 25 years of service.  I can't remember the exact company but it was something really mundane, like a stapler supplier or something.  I find it funny because now, so many years later, the kanji looks so exotic to a gwei lo like me, no matter what it says!

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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2015, 12:15:56 PM »
Were the case back engravings added by previous owner? Seems to be celebrating 25th year anniversary of a company. How cool if you knew the story behind. Also never expected a watch from the 60s to look so great.

My Japanese friend translated the characters for me.  This watch was a gift to an employee to celebrate 25 years of service.  I can't remember the exact company but it was something really mundane, like a stapler supplier or something.  I find it funny because now, so many years later, the kanji looks so exotic to a gwei lo like me, no matter what it says!

Well, thank heavens it was not in shipyard, otherwise, you won't not have much of a watch left.

Great condition for its age and a fine specimen at that too. Well done!

You mentioned that servicing is easy but parts are hard to attain. Do you send to back to Seiko for service or just a professional watch maker locally?