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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: Angryrodent on April 15, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
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whats it like? looks great, very simplistic.. big enough for some strap collection? anything bad about it? is kinda cheap so i dun expect the greatest movement.. but still not just pocket change...
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I don't have the PAM00112 but have played with it. It is a nice watch being a base. And yes you can have a large strap collection with the PAM00112 or with any Panerai. It is powered by the ETA64XX hand wind movement, so in reality, it is not really cheap.
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5k us less.. if i find a used even less when you live in the freaky strange world of watches anything can seem cheap hehe
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I would hunt a PAM 00000 instead. About the same price if not cheaper.
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/Panerai/pam_0_1.jpg)
Much much coherent to the Brand history because of the logo.
Then maybe I would add a 210 later.
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/Panerai/radiomirSans_wm.jpg)
Then you are all cover. Luminor and Radiomir. Sandwich and FATs :D
Regards
Tyler
5k us less.. if i find a used even less when you live in the freaky strange world of watches anything can seem cheap hehe
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well, i have talked to many first time panerai buyers, and most of them have the tendency to want all panerai features in 1 watch.
typical ones they want are : sandwich, display back, LOTSA strap combos.
if those are what you want, then a PAM112 will fit you.
(http://www.izipik.com/images/200911/29/gzl1nljj71asijlons-pam_112_ecorce_small.jpg)
(http://kenberg.dk/diverse/forums/PAM112_front_800x600.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5020/5540523736_6170bde0fc.jpg)
but if you don't really fancy the sandwich or display back, then you can save RM2900 (off the list price between PAM112 and PAM000) and go for the zero.
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as an owner of a 112, I would recommend 000 instead. Just because it's cheaper and rarer.
Unless you "die,die" want the sandwich dial and display caseback then get a 112. There's nothing really interesting inside actually if you think abut it.
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as an owner of a 112, I would recommend 000 instead. Just because it's cheaper and rarer.
Unless you "die,die" want the sandwich dial and display caseback then get a 112. There's nothing really interesting inside actually if you think abut it.
I agree. But i was the owner of the PAM176 which is the titanium version of the 112. After a while, it is not that interesting. But it is still a PAM though.
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as an owner of a 112, I would recommend 000 instead. Just because it's cheaper and rarer.
Unless you "die,die" want the sandwich dial and display caseback then get a 112. There's nothing really interesting inside actually if you think abut it.
I agree. But i was the owner of the PAM176 which is the titanium version of the 112. After a while, it is not that interesting. But it is still a PAM though.
:laugh: if the clear caseback shows something like this than i would gladly "climb up sabre mountain and go through fire sea" for it :Laughing_on_floor:
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii184/jerrylux48/Selection/DSC_050.jpg)
to throw in another into the fray. have you considered a 005 as well?
112 does looks bare after a while. the zero fills up the spaces well with the logo and if you want something moving..the 005 does looks handsome as well. not to mention the 005 is a more rarer beast. would save up some money for some straps.
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I would prefer 112.... Because
1) sandwich dial
2) display back
3) cleaner dial
4) cheaper than 390.... ;D
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I'll choose that Chopard over any PAM anytime hehe....
BUT, my vote goes to the 111. Just me though
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im a 112 owner n aso 0005 n 249.....112 classic , sandwich , transparent back case......nth to complain......in the end it still a pam n very comfort to wear.....
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I would suggest PAM000 instead and later PAM210 or PAM183 :)
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I will throw another spannar into the equation..
PAM 111..at least got the seconds ticking.. :mooning:
But ...if its me.. I will go for the 005. :P
Zero hero...unacceptable cause no sandwich!!!!!!
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Want something different and hard to get and see (unless Scott brings his), go for PAM00219. Sandwich dial and destro (left hander). If you want the sub-dial, spend a bit more (well lots more) and get the PAM00115.
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+1 for PAM 112
I would prefer 112.... Because
1) sandwich dial
2) display back
3) cleaner dial
4) cheaper than 390.... ;D
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Sandwhich dial is nice but I think they fit nicer to a Radiomir case. Of course that's only my opinion.
I think the dial of the Luminor Marina (small second) by itself is stretch to the max. Adding the logo would seem too crowded.
Beside you'll have plenty choice adding a small second model later. They are many variety you choose.
But the logo(PAM000) goes back to the root of the Pre Vendome era. The original PreV model of course is the best but the price is not :(
So a PAM000 is quite nice and the price is in human figure.
Regards
Tyler
I will throw another spannar into the equation..
PAM 111..at least got the seconds ticking.. :mooning:
But ...if its me.. I will go for the 005. :P
Zero hero...unacceptable cause no sandwich!!!!!!
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Will get the titanium of that watch if i have the $. Less shiny and blinky compared to SS version of the watch. Forgotten the Pam number of that model.
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Will get the titanium of that watch if i have the $. Less shiny and blinky compared to SS version of the watch. Forgotten the Pam number of that model.
Its 176 for two hands and 177 for two and a half hands
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Will get the titanium of that watch if i have the $. Less shiny and blinky compared to SS version of the watch. Forgotten the Pam number of that model.
Its 176 for two hands and 177 for two and a half hands
Yup that was it.. Thanks for telling me.. Too bad my wrist too small to wear it :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
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thanks guy for great input .....
eying for my first pan, just too many choice and huge prices range in between (means a lot of study), anymore input ?
prices range should be < 20k, for daily use and prefer something hardcore or tahan lazat type cause i'm hardcore outdoor person .... :)
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PAM104. Luminor marina auto. If not 112,000,111,005 for manual. These are the more popular luminor models.
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thanks guy for great input .....
eying for my first pan, just too many choice and huge prices range in between (means a lot of study), anymore input ?
prices range should be < 20k, for daily use and prefer something hardcore or tahan lazat type cause i'm hardcore outdoor person .... :)
20k watch that tahan lasak and for hardcore outdoor person? Bro, get a g-shock for your hardcore activities... and a pam for casual wear if you desire....
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If you guys look around, you can find some bargains out there. The PAM00367 for example is not a popular se/le model (at the moment) and can be had at perhaps RM2 to 3 k over retail, which is not too bad as it is about the PAM00111 price new. The PAM00199 is also selling at about it's retail price and it is a SE model. Just not very popular. Have to look and sometimes be there at the right placec and the right time. Like I said, there was a PAM00024 that sold for RM 10k a couple of month back.
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I think i will be crossing this 112 vs 000 bridge ..am enjoying all the different views here.
BTW, anyone here knows if there's difference in the intensity and longevity of the lume between the sandwich and painted markers?
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The painted dials have a brighter and longer lume, but that's what I have read and don't have a painted dial PAM to verify. Only have a sandwich dial PAM, still trying to get funds to get a painted dial PAM Radiomir.
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thanks guy for great input .....
eying for my first pan, just too many choice and huge prices range in between (means a lot of study), anymore input ?
prices range should be < 20k, for daily use and prefer something hardcore or tahan lazat type cause i'm hardcore outdoor person .... :)
20k watch that tahan lasak and for hardcore outdoor person? Bro, get a g-shock for your hardcore activities... and a pam for casual wear if you desire....
hahahahha that is my last few year min requirement (compass is a must), ain't that hardcore anymore but still very in person (not easy to change) ...
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tinks 112 is not popular or hot among PAM collectors or appealing to new buyers..
putting up my 112 for sale weeks back.. seems that the response is no good at all.. even droppping to a very very reasonable price..
well.. preferably i'll go for 000 or 005 anytime.. if there is available stock..
dat time 112 was on the table and the considered the price was pretty good and thought that it will be difficult to come across a 000 or 005 locally or mayb SG.. thats why gone for the 112..
no complaints realli.. but .. polished steel is not really my fav.. bcos it catches scratches like magnet..
and it made me a lil imba.. bcos the 005 bcame available after i bought the 112.. timing problem..
anyways.. i've grabbed a black PVD 111 homage.. to fill the void for selling off the PAM112..
looks great. feels OK. just works so so .. nevertheless a nice hobby watch ;D ;D
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(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0039.jpg)
I think i will be crossing this 112 vs 000 bridge ..am enjoying all the different views here.
BTW, anyone here knows if there's difference in the intensity and longevity of the lume between the sandwich and painted markers?
In terms of lume, I see no difference between a painted dial or a sandwich dial, I guess they are same luminescent, be it painted or sandwich dial, the only difference between the 2 are the design of the dials.
May be I will share a lil bit of my PAM experience here.
I started with a Luminor Marina, PAM111G, Crown guard is a must,It comes with a painted dial and small second, back then I prefer to know my watch is ticking.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0489.jpg)
I don't really bother about the see tru caseback, because the movement got nothing to shout about, it's a Unitas movement afterall.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0542-3.jpg)
After that I moved on to the 3 days 1950 model, PAM312, very simple reason, the 1950 case and I love the brand, I want to own their in house movement.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0956.jpg)
Owning the PAM312 doesn't seems enough, I want something more, I want a dome crystal, so I flipped and bought a PAM233, I was thinking it's a perfect PAM back then, a thinner 1950 case with a very very nice dome crystal,P2000 handwind with 8 days power reserve, GMT function, nothing can beat it anymore.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/a1of2.jpg)
But guess what,I wear my PAM111 more than the PAM233:) It's simpler, less winding and I don't have to adjust the date:)
therefore, I move back to base model, PAM390, very simple reason, cleaner dial,less is more ;)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0166-1.jpg)
a comparison with a PAM112
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0986-1.jpg)
and the PAM372, again a very simple reason, cleaner dial.(and of course it's a historically correct modern vintage piece, plexiglas,etc,etc)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0549-1.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0552-2.jpg)
We will always find a reason to get something we like,that's the reason why I like the brand so much,It's the passion to keep you looking for a perfect one. You will always find some differences in small little details,the fonts, the color,the hands,etc etc.
Like most of the sifus said,
luminor or radiomir, luminor marina or luminor base, manual or auto, sandwich or painted dial, pre-v case or 1950 case, the material, left hand or right hand, budget, etc. by slowly filling in the blanks, you will defintely find one which sing well on your wrist.
till then only you worry about the strap fever ;D
just my 2 cents and hope this will help.Happy hunting.
cheers,
ck
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i think i just caught some pam poison by reading through this post... before this my feeling towards the brand is neutral as they all look almost the same ???
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i think i just caught some pam poison by reading through this post... before this my feeling towards the brand is neutral as they all look almost the same ???
yes u right, all pam look same for me too .....
thank bro chng input, it help a lot, should be make up my mind now ... :Cheers:
btw different between 111 n 111g ???
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I would prefer 112.... Because
1) sandwich dial
2) display back
3) cleaner dial
4) cheaper than 390.... ;D
tat is becoz u got 1 pcs thats why lah.... :thumbsup:
But i will get 1 if i wan a based model....simple and clean dial
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(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0039.jpg)
Bro, your photo is damn killing u know
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Ck...that was a nice story! :Cheers:
You have basically unleashed the Kraken with those killer pics!
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The painted dials have a brighter and longer lume, but that's what I have read and don't have a painted dial PAM to verify. Only have a sandwich dial PAM, still trying to get funds to get a painted dial PAM Radiomir.
yeah, i read em somewhere too...that painted is brighter and last longer...
anyway, since the seasoned Ristians like ck (who will definitely have chance to compare both side by side) feels there's no difference, I think both have the same lume characteristics...
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i think i just caught some pam poison by reading through this post... before this my feeling towards the brand is neutral as they all look almost the same ???
yes u right, all pam look same for me too .....
thank bro chng input, it help a lot, should be make up my mind now ... :Cheers:
btw different between 111 n 111g ???
great story CK, nice one. love it when a risti tells his story, u can actually feel the joy and pain throughout the experience. NICE ONE :thumbsup:
btw, the difference between 111 (after H) and 111 (G and before) are:
(1) painted dial
(2) decorated movement (with panerai panerai panerai engraved)
there were a few models which had some differences from G series onwards.
but for the sake of this conversation i will leave it here.
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i think i just caught some pam poison by reading through this post... before this my feeling towards the brand is neutral as they all look almost the same ???
same thing happen to me.. ><
:HammerHead:
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Rumours said PAM is contagious ... it will spread and make you want to have more PAMs.... thanks for sharing... now I am going to get my first PAM.... 0000... start from zero... and work my way up.... should be able to get 3-4 types of PAM by 92 years old... :Praying:
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Rumours said PAM is contagious ... it will spread and make you want to have more PAMs.... thanks for sharing... now I am going to get my first PAM.... 0000... start from zero... and work my way up.... should be able to get 3-4 types of PAM by 92 years old... :Praying:
To me i would get one luminor and one radiomir... Enough already....
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i will hunger for more pam in future ...my story line just like ckng.........start from 0005 , not enuf coz no sandwich dial, thn i get a 112.....thinking no radiomir n die die find a 249 ...now wat else.......ha ha ha
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Rumours said PAM is contagious ... it will spread and make you want to have more PAMs.... thanks for sharing... now I am going to get my first PAM.... 0000... start from zero... and work my way up.... should be able to get 3-4 types of PAM by 92 years old... :Praying:
To me i would get one luminor and one radiomir... Enough already....
i don't think so, once u in, is hard to come out :)
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i will hunger for more pam in future ...my story line just like ckng.........start from 0005 , not enuf coz no sandwich dial, thn i get a 112.....thinking no radiomir n die die find a 249 ...now wat else.......ha ha ha
PAM00005, PAM00112 and PAM00249..... What else is there? Perhaps PAM00372? I have seen the watch and handled it (PAM00372) and have to say it is not for me.
If you want a watch that is closer to the Pre-V era, go for the PAM00000. If you want to go for a watch that is closer to the Vintage P, go for the PAM00112 or PAM00210. So the 'perfect' collection would be the PAM00000, PAM00112 and PAM00210. All base models.
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bro hobbit....ermmm so far haven think of it 1st
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After a while, too much PAM also you will feel tired. Best amount of pieces to have for PAM is 2. Jacky is right. One Luminor and One Radiomir would be the optimum. It is highly addictive to collect them though. However after a while, you will realise if you have too many that they are actually very similiar at first glance. Not many would glance at the intricacy of the watch all the time.
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After a while, too much PAM also you will feel tired. Best amount of pieces to have for PAM is 2. Jacky is right. One Luminor and One Radiomir would be the optimum. It is highly addictive to collect them though. However after a while, you will realise if you have too many that they are actually very similiar at first glance. Not many would glance at the intricacy of the watch all the time.
You spoke my mind.....bro.... :thumbsup:
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After a while, too much PAM also you will feel tired. Best amount of pieces to have for PAM is 2. Jacky is right. One Luminor and One Radiomir would be the optimum. It is highly addictive to collect them though. However after a while, you will realise if you have too many that they are actually very similiar at first glance. Not many would glance at the intricacy of the watch all the time.
You spoke my mind.....bro.... :thumbsup:
Damn....... :HammerHead:
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to quote our great moderator; Scott.
"same, same, same, same.." :Laughing_on_floor:
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to quote our great moderator; Scott.
"same, same, same, same.." :Laughing_on_floor:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Same same but different... lol :Laughing_on_floor:
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That'll be my entry combo. Except I'll replace the 112 with one of the 41x
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/Panerai/PAM-412-OEM-Strap.jpg) Image by Panerai Blog
For my own selfish reason that I love FATs (Faux Aged Patina). It's not politically correct(like french fries) but I couldn't help it. ;D
So my choice will be 000, 210 and the 41x
Regards
Tyler
i will hunger for more pam in future ...my story line just like ckng.........start from 0005 , not enuf coz no sandwich dial, thn i get a 112.....thinking no radiomir n die die find a 249 ...now wat else.......ha ha ha
PAM00005, PAM00112 and PAM00249..... What else is there? Perhaps PAM00372? I have seen the watch and handled it (PAM00372) and have to say it is not for me.
If you want a watch that is closer to the Pre-V era, go for the PAM00000. If you want to go for a watch that is closer to the Vintage P, go for the PAM00112 or PAM00210. So the 'perfect' collection would be the PAM00000, PAM00112 and PAM00210. All base models.
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to quote our great moderator; Scott.
"same, same, same, same.." :Laughing_on_floor:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Same same but different... lol :Laughing_on_floor:
Not really.......
PAM00390, base, brown painted dial, gold hands, ecru lume and fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8647.jpg)
PAM00367, black painted dial, black and white hands, ecru lume and fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8648.jpg)
PAM00000, base, black painted dial, black hands, white fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8649.jpg)
PAM00111, black sandwich dial, black and white hands, white fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8650.jpg)
PAM00003, white painted dial, black hands, black fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8651.jpg)
Not really the same right?
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That why i put "same same but different" :mooning: Thanks for highlight the difference hobbit :thumbsup:
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to quote our great moderator; Scott.
"same, same, same, same.." :Laughing_on_floor:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Same same but different... lol :Laughing_on_floor:
Not really.......
PAM00390, base, brown painted dial, gold hands, ecru lume and fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8647.jpg)
PAM00367, black painted dial, black and white hands, ecru lume and fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8648.jpg)
PAM00000, base, black painted dial, black hands, white fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8649.jpg)
PAM00111, black sandwich dial, black and white hands, white fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8650.jpg)
PAM00003, white painted dial, black hands, black fonts
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8651.jpg)
Not really the same right?
Bro Hobbit,
All the small little details count. ;) :thumbsup:
So it's not the same.
cheers,
ck
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to be honest, saying all panerais are the same is pretty much like a racist comment isn't it?
like all chinese look the same. but do we look the same?
i'm sure in our multi cultured nation, we have heard this phrase before.
but to a panerai enthusiast, it's just like being a chinese, none look the same and every different bit is very much different.
it's basically like being able to choose exactly what features i like and what i like in a dial.
how often do you get that range?
but of cos, the less/more u want, causes prices to fluctuate ;D
*** disclaimer : this is in no way a racist comment, i'm just trying to voice an opinion, feel free to delete if necessary ***
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To me i would get one luminor and one radiomir... Enough already....
bro, trust me. u will never want to stop once u have both, u will notice there is something else which is very nice and how come you never notice it at the 1st place
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well....to alot ppl who never really go into details will comment all pams looks the same. but their terms of 'same' are included crown guard right n left (destro), sandwich dial o painted dial, small second o w/o small second. so this ppl here is looking at the big concept of pams which i think is pams DNA.
so different people different point of view. But for pams lover.....we continue love the watch. :thumbsup:
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great story CK, nice one. love it when a risti tells his story, u can actually feel the joy and pain throughout the experience. NICE ONE :thumbsup:
i love ck story as well coz its like seeing myself
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To me i would get one luminor and one radiomir... Enough already....
bro, trust me. u will never want to stop once u have both, u will notice there is something else which is very nice and how come you never notice it at the 1st place
Bro i am trying to control the infection la....
But reading these treads will make me more infected.....
Arrggggg. Someone help me... :Praying:
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reading is not the issue. Its the pictures. :Laughing_on_floor: Sometimes, the pictures just make you want to go and buy a piece.
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reading is not the issue. Its the pictures. :Laughing_on_floor: Sometimes, the pictures just make you want to go and buy a piece.
yayaya....fully agreed. photo of the days is the killing point
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To me i would get one luminor and one radiomir... Enough already....
bro, trust me. u will never want to stop once u have both, u will notice there is something else which is very nice and how come you never notice it at the 1st place
Bro i am trying to control the infection la....
But reading these treads will make me more infected.....
Arrggggg. Someone help me... :Praying:
no nid to pray lah. come join our GTG always. then u will be 1 of us. I will be sending poison of the day to u if u wan to. :Laughing_on_floor:
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To me i would get one luminor and one radiomir... Enough already....
bro, trust me. u will never want to stop once u have both, u will notice there is something else which is very nice and how come you never notice it at the 1st place
Bro i am trying to control the infection la....
But reading these treads will make me more infected.....
Arrggggg. Someone help me... :Praying:
no nid to pray lah. come join our GTG always. then u will be 1 of us. I will be sending poison of the day to u if u wan to. :Laughing_on_floor:
:Scolding: :HammerHead:
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Derek, that's the funniest comment I heard.
Regards
Tyler
to be honest, saying all panerais are the same is pretty much like a racist comment isn't it?
like all chinese look the same. but do we look the same?
i'm sure in our multi cultured nation, we have heard this phrase before.
but to a panerai enthusiast, it's just like being a chinese, none look the same and every different bit is very much different.
it's basically like being able to choose exactly what features i like and what i like in a dial.
how often do you get that range?
but of cos, the less/more u want, causes prices to fluctuate ;D
*** disclaimer : this is in no way a racist comment, i'm just trying to voice an opinion, feel free to delete if necessary ***
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To me i would get one luminor and one radiomir... Enough already....
bro, trust me. u will never want to stop once u have both, u will notice there is something else which is very nice and how come you never notice it at the 1st place
Bro i am trying to control the infection la....
But reading these treads will make me more infected.....
Arrggggg. Someone help me... :Praying:
Buying another pam will slove the problem, its quite annoying wasting your time drooling on something you like but did not pull trigger on it :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana: :Jumping: :Jumping:
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That why i put "same same but different" :mooning: Thanks for highlight the difference hobbit :thumbsup:
And that is just the tip of the ice berg. We have not even started on the polished crown guard vs brushed crown guard, long lume hand vs short lume hands, 2 line top, 2 line top and bottom, 4 line top and bottom, case material, case treatment, display back vs solid back, font use, fat markers or not, and the list goes on.......
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That why i put "same same but different" :mooning: Thanks for highlight the difference hobbit :thumbsup:
And that is just the tip of the ice berg. We have not even started on the polished crown guard vs brushed crown guard, long lume hand vs short lume hands, 2 line top, 2 line top and bottom, 4 line top and bottom, case material, case treatment, display back vs solid back, font use, fat markers or not, and the list goes on.......
LOL, and haven't even talked about the difference between A hands and pre-A hands, and current hands. LOL, that's just the HANDS LOLLL
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Hobbit...those photos should never be released without the skull and bones Class IV poison label....
educating experience for me reading this thread, to read the journey of Pam collectors in search for the perfect one...paying attention to details (and paying for the details ;D)
Its true what they say. Its the diversity of taste that makes this hobby interesting... :Cheers:
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to be honest, saying all panerais are the same is pretty much like a racist comment isn't it?
like all chinese look the same. but do we look the same?
i'm sure in our multi cultured nation, we have heard this phrase before.
but to a panerai enthusiast, it's just like being a chinese, none look the same and every different bit is very much different.
it's basically like being able to choose exactly what features i like and what i like in a dial.
how often do you get that range?
but of cos, the less/more u want, causes prices to fluctuate ;D
*** disclaimer : this is in no way a racist comment, i'm just trying to voice an opinion, feel free to delete if necessary ***
Not racist la, should be knowledge la ..... we lack of watch education, hopefully sifu here can guide us ....
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Must say most asian guys looks the same to me... but then again all guys do. my brain goes "thats a dude he doesnt seem like he's rob me so who gives a f" then i try to check check out if he has a nice watch on his wrist.
thats why im into girls and watches :mooning: well and cars but aint that rich
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Not racist la, should be knowledge la ..... we lack of watch education, hopefully sifu here can guide us ....
juz come to join our GTG which we share info