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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: TheHobbit on October 12, 2011, 08:24:06 PM
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I know that at the end of the day Panerai is a company and making money is its final objective, but do you think they are milking it a little? Hot on the heels of the PAM00390.....
Looks like they are going upmarket....
PAM00442. Limited edition of 2,000 pieces. Wonder why the PAM00372 is not a limited edition.....
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/Screenshot2011-10-10at105150AM.png)
PAM00385. Limited edition of 75 pieces for the Crystal Group in the Ukraine.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/6e313d1300e3.jpg)
Me thinks me should stop collecting Panerai........
Model fatigue setting in..... Sigh......
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I know that at the end of the day Panerai is a company and making money is its final objective, but do you think they are milking it a little? Hot on the heels of the PAM00390.....
Looks like they are going upmarket....
PAM00442. Limited edition of 2,000 pieces. Wonder why the PAM00372 is not a limited edition.....
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/Screenshot2011-10-10at105150AM.png)
PAM00385. Limited edition of 75 pieces for the Crystal Group in the Ukraine.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/6e313d1300e3.jpg)
Me thinks me should stop collecting Panerai........
Model fatigue setting in..... Sigh......
Hello The Hobbit,
The calibre 3000 is very nice and definitely upmarket. Beautiful simplicity. The RDM is not very original though!
Value or price like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder I think? No?
I had a problem following Panerai when their model numbers exceeded 100.
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Too many model and aesthetically all look alike to me. My knowledge on Pam stop at historic model and not really following bcos too many luminor variation. No offense to Pam fans
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just when i was beginning to like Panerai.....
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Too many model and aesthetically all look alike to me. My knowledge on Pam stop at historic model and not really following bcos too many luminor variation. No offense to Pam fans
Agree with your comments, Dennistwc.
I find it hard to keep up & differentiate between the models.
As I had posted somewhere else, I also find Panerai not an easy brand to appreciate. :Confused:
Having said that, I would like to own 1 - perhaps the Zero - & try to feel the love some many other watch collectors feel for the Pam.
At the end of the day, 1 man's coffee is another's tea.
Take care, Caio! :thumbsup:
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I know that at the end of the day Panerai is a company and making money is its final objective, but do you think they are milking it a little? Hot on the heels of the PAM00390.....
Looks like they are going upmarket....
PAM00442. Limited edition of 2,000 pieces. Wonder why the PAM00372 is not a limited edition.....
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/Screenshot2011-10-10at105150AM.png)
PAM00385. Limited edition of 75 pieces for the Crystal Group in the Ukraine.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/6e313d1300e3.jpg)
Me thinks me should stop collecting Panerai........
Model fatigue setting in..... Sigh......
Hi Hobbit,
PAM442 is nice but cant seem to find much info on it,currently how much is it selling?
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just when i was beginning to like Panerai.....
Don't let this get you down. There is lots to love about Panerai. It is just (for me), I wish they would stop and take a breather and let the models actually reach the AD and Boutiques before announcing new models. Perhaps it is their way of keeping the momentum going. Don't know.
As my Panerai collection revolves around the Historic collection, I am like bryankwc and Dennistwc in that I do not follow (closely) the models outside the Historic collection.
wslee,
No price just yet as it is currently on show at the event in Milan (should be around the PAM00372 price). It will be 'officially' launched in SIHH 2012, so expect to see it sometime in mid to end 2012. As for the spec:
Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3001 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai,
16½ lignes, 6.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/ hour.
Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 207 components.
Functions: Hours, minutes, small seconds, power reserve indicator on the back, seconds reset.
Case: Diameter 47 mm, polished steel.
Bezel: Polished steel.
Back: See-through sapphire crystal.
Device protecting the crown: (protected as a Trademark) Brushed steel.
Dial: Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
Crystal: Plexiglas®, 3 mm thick.
Water-resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size brushed steel buckle. Supplied with a
second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.
Reference: PAM00422.
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sigh..makes me seriously reconsider this hobby. the sheer amount of rehash and price increase is getting very obscene.
how much and long are they going to milk this? seriously i am really wishing all watch co execs would board an old russian junk and crash to a fiery death in some far flung desert. :Mad:
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just when i was beginning to like Panerai.....
Don't let this get you down. There is lots to love about Panerai. It is just (for me), I wish they would stop and take a breather and let the models actually reach the AD and Boutiques before announcing new models. Perhaps it is their way of keeping the momentum going. Don't know.
As my Panerai collection revolves around the Historic collection, I am like bryankwc and Dennistwc in that I do not follow (closely) the models outside the Historic collection.
wslee,
No price just yet as it is currently on show at the event in Milan (should be around the PAM00372 price). It will be 'officially' launched in SIHH 2012, so expect to see it sometime in mid to end 2012. As for the spec:
Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3001 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai,
16½ lignes, 6.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/ hour.
Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 207 components.
Functions: Hours, minutes, small seconds, power reserve indicator on the back, seconds reset.
Case: Diameter 47 mm, polished steel.
Bezel: Polished steel.
Back: See-through sapphire crystal.
Device protecting the crown: (protected as a Trademark) Brushed steel.
Dial: Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
Crystal: Plexiglas®, 3 mm thick.
Water-resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size brushed steel buckle. Supplied with a
second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.
Reference: PAM00422.
Ah ic,no wonder couldn't find much info on it.
The watch is nice but unfortunately the size too big
I agree is hard to keep with the models. Just too much to follow,perhaps just get the historic models
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pam 372 is very nice and with the latest inhouse calibre but too bad it just too big. and the price is scary as well.
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how much and long are they going to milk this? seriously i am really wishing all watch co execs would board an old russian junk and crash to a fiery death in some far flung desert. :Mad:
old russian plane, crashing...sounds like a scene from 2012.. :Laughing_on_floor:
amateur question here...the Pam Logo 0000 is considered a historic model?
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What do I think?
Yes... PAMs are milking it for whatever it's worth... but as long as the demand is there, they can do whatever they please right?
I guess I am not alone when PAM release new models, they look the same to my untrained eye :Confused:
That was what Rolex was to me a couple of years back, and now I am beginning to understand and appreciate.
Will I learn to understand and appreciate PAMs? I have no idea... only time will tell...
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Well at least the AP ROO changes colors in their LE.
For PAM, to me 90% look the same and i cant tell which from which.
To me all the seem to do is move the words "Panerai, Luminor, Marina" up and down the dial, put a different engraving at the back and call it a day.
Having said that, i would still love a 1950 and a Radiomir case PAM and call it a day.
I think the same argument can be said for Rolex and their designs though, but lets not go there. :P
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heard of the PAM0422 but had no luck finding pictures of it. The only way you'd be able to keep up is by swapping old models for the new ones. The prices of PAM nowadays are scary hence i go back looking for the older models. Although i got to say both new models looks sweet..
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Well at least the AP ROO changes colors in their LE.
For PAM, to me 90% look the same and i cant tell which from which.
To me all the seem to do is move the words "Panerai, Luminor, Marina" up and down the dial, put a different engraving at the back and call it a day.
Having said that, i would still love a 1950 and a Radiomir case PAM and call it a day.
I think the same argument can be said for Rolex and their designs though, but lets not go there. :P
Exactly what I was trying to say...
And yes... let's not go there... :Cheers:
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amateur question here...the Pam Logo 0000 is considered a historic model?
pexus,
Here is something to read and why the watch is so popular.
http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html
Mods, please delete if not appropriate.
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Well at least the AP ROO changes colors in their LE.
For PAM, to me 90% look the same and i cant tell which from which.
To me all the seem to do is move the words "Panerai, Luminor, Marina" up and down the dial, put a different engraving at the back and call it a day.
Having said that, i would still love a 1950 and a Radiomir case PAM and call it a day.
I think the same argument can be said for Rolex and their designs though, but lets not go there. :P
Yeah perhaps it is time for me to call it a day as well. But the call of PAM00390, PAM00219 and PAM00210 is strong...... ::)
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still love panerai, but as what being said...it become too many of it with similar face....kindda remind me of the old proton days....Satria, Wira, Wira Aeroback, Arena, all come with same face...boring lor....but of course, it is wrong to compare proton and panerai...just stating that very little similarities....hahahahha
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there seems to be a love/hate with panerai new models lately, what with A LOT OF new special editions.
i do agree that the sudden influx of so many SE makes it not so special anymore.
but hey, the real love of pams are still with the historic and simple base models, not with the contemporary ones.
as for PAM422, do you really like the marina more than the 372? i'd pass becos of the complexity of the dial wat with additional second and the word MARINA.
as for the other piece, well, that's just a micro SE, so nothing to talk about. it will always happen, and nobody would be able to get one anyway. just like the PAM294. but luckily, this piece not so pretty.
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Personally, i don't collect panerai anymore (i used to have few high end model and a lot straps) as i don't like how they keep coming up the so call "limited" edition and yet all looks the same...
also, don't like how they keep coming new model and "imitate" the vintage look...
Just my very personal opinion~!
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but hey, the real love of pams are still with the historic and simple base models, not with the contemporary ones.
as for PAM422, do you really like the marina more than the 372? i'd pass becos of the complexity of the dial wat with additional second and the word MARINA.
dsiewmy,
Agree with you 100%. Have always been historic guy and will always be. Although getting a PAM00390 would be nice as well (more reasonable alternate to the PAM00372).
Scott C,
Agree with you as well. Perhaps it is time to call it a day.
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well the panerais really all look the same if u r NOT a pam fan. only after u collect, u see the differences and u will start noticing them alot.
as collectors, don't u think we all notice the small little things, and becos of the obsession we chase after these little perfections.
for ex: i don't like the word marina on my watch, i don't like the hobnail dial, i don't like my dial without a logo. etc. etc. etc.
becos of all this small little things, then u focus to find ur perfect pam.
i.e. i like the word LUMINOR PANERAI together at the top. (this cuts out all the current historic models 000,005, etc etc etc).
but i don't like that there's no OP logo at the bottom to balance out. (this cuts out EVEN MORE models)
so this basically squeezes my choice to 360, 5218/201A, and maybe a 390 if i can accept without OP logo.
it's becos of so many models, which is why we are given choice to select.
recently, panerai even came out with dials with submarines (PIGS), which was never out before except for the 292J. do u see this as "look the same"? for us, it's a world of difference, since we cannot find this submarine on other pams esp luminor 44mm.
as for so many new SEs and LEs coming out, you don't have to buy all of them. just buy what u want/like, what u want in a pam can be really chosen just based on a few things:
example : luminor 44mm
(1) polished/brushed case
(2) auto/winding
(3) date/without
(4) base/with subseconds
(5) any other special functions GMT, PR, chrono
(6) black clean dial/tobacco/hobnail
(7) sandwich/painted fonts
(8) new addition would be : color of fonts? (green L or faux patina ?)
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well the panerais really all look the same if u r NOT a pam fan. only after u collect, u see the differences and u will start noticing them alot.
as collectors, don't u think we all notice the small little things, and becos of the obsession we chase after these little perfections.
for ex: i don't like the word marina on my watch, i don't like the hobnail dial, i don't like my dial without a logo. etc. etc. etc.
becos of all this small little things, then u focus to find ur perfect pam.
i.e. i like the word LUMINOR PANERAI together at the top. (this cuts out all the current historic models 000,005, etc etc etc).
but i don't like that there's no OP logo at the bottom to balance out. (this cuts out EVEN MORE models)
so this basically squeezes my choice to 360, 5218/201A, and maybe a 390 if i can accept without OP logo.
it's becos of so many models, which is why we are given choice to select.
recently, panerai even came out with dials with submarines (PIGS), which was never out before except for the 292J. do u see this as "look the same"? for us, it's a world of difference, since we cannot find this submarine on other pams esp luminor 44mm.
as for so many new SEs and LEs coming out, you don't have to buy all of them. just buy what u want/like, what u want in a pam can be really chosen just based on a few things:
example : luminor 44mm
(1) polished/brushed case
(2) auto/winding
(3) date/without
(4) base/with subseconds
(5) any other special functions GMT, PR, chrono
(6) black clean dial/tobacco/hobnail
(7) sandwich/painted fonts
(8) new addition would be : color of fonts? (green L or faux patina ?)
Yeah, I agree with the bold part... I am starting this road with Rolex watches.
I tend to check for little things and wish why not like this or like that...
To anyone that's not into Rolex, they all look the same... lol
And by the way... what is clean dial, tobacco dial (I assume this is the brownish dial) and Hobnail?
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Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the sub-second necessary for it to achieve COSC? As far as I know those without the subsecond like 000,112,210 etc... are not COSC rated.
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Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the sub-second necessary for it to achieve COSC? As far as I know those without the subsecond like 000,112,210 etc... are not COSC rated.
Yup you are very correct about this :thumbsup:
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And by the way... what is clean dial, tobacco dial (I assume this is the brownish dial) and Hobnail?
hanz079,
Firstly apologies for the lack of photographs.
Clean dial, to me is like what the dial on PAM00000 or PAM00005 or any base model is. Minimal writing or logo or anything on the dial. Sterile would be like PAM00249.
Tobacco dial is the brownish dial.
Hobnail is the dial on the PAM00025 Submersible.
Tuxedo is the dial on the PAM00029
Hope that helps.
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I'm one of those who never really got the Pam. The number of models is just mind boggling! Just my personal opinion. I prefer my watches to look a bit different but of course how we define "a bit different" is up to the individual. Enjoy your Pams! Cheers..
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And by the way... what is clean dial, tobacco dial (I assume this is the brownish dial) and Hobnail?
hanz079,
Firstly apologies for the lack of photographs.
Clean dial, to me is like what the dial on PAM00000 or PAM00005 or any base model is. Minimal writing or logo or anything on the dial. Sterile would be like PAM00249.
Tobacco dial is the brownish dial.
Hobnail is the dial on the PAM00025 Submersible.
Tuxedo is the dial on the PAM00029
Hope that helps.
hobbit, u the man! your explanation is on the dot mate!
well, i'm a sucker for clean dials especially ones with minimal writing.
like these :
201a - the original vintage logo
(http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/_01.jpg)
360 - the modern cousin
(http://blog.perpetuelle.com/wp-content/uploads/panerai_paneristi_pam360-620x426.jpg)
390 - the newest addition
(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae252/hennabav/Pam%20390N/IMG_0513.jpg)
irregardless of what panerai plans to make, these 3 are still my fav.
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Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the sub-second necessary for it to achieve COSC? As far as I know those without the subsecond like 000,112,210 etc... are not COSC rated.
well, if u collect panerais, i think movement and being a chronometer is pretty much not high in your requirements, at least for me.
it's more about the look, the design, how it makes me feel and of course the story behind.
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Yeah perhaps it is time for me to call it a day as well. But the call of PAM00390, PAM00219 and PAM00210 is strong...... ::)
The force from the Pammie (Dark) side is strong. You can do it, young warrior!.
Cheers.
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I will try to explain why Panerai and what makes up my collection. Basically Panerai because of the bold and strong dial design, brand name and history. It is to me the ultimate tool watch, to be worn (but not abuse). Beautiful watches, steep with tradition and that Italian flair.
Most of the watches in my collection are 44 mm and are in the Historic collection (hand wind movement).
You will notice that most of the watches are not on the original strap as I do not use the straps. Some are on Panerai straps but they are not original to the watch as a set.
PAM00003B Luminor Marina 44 mm. Historic Collection. My first Panerai. White dial, polished case and crown guard, matte crown guard lever, solid case back. Water resistant to 30 ATM. OP II (ETA /Unitas 64XX base) movement. Black hands. Discontinued.
Had I not got this way back, I don't think I will have a white dial Panerai in the collection.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8079.jpg)
PAM00092G Luminor Arktos 44 mm. Special Edition. My first proper Special Edition. Specially created for Mike Horn and it is anti-magnetic. Based on the Submersible. Brushed case and crown guard. Solid case back with Arktos Engraving. Water resistant to 30 ATM. OP III (ETA 7750 base) movement. Special Edition of 500 pieces. Black hands. Discontinued.
Must have a special edition in the collection as it comes with a bigger box and certificates.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8080.jpg)
PAM00111H Luminor Marina 44 mm. Historic Collection. My first black dial Panerai. Sandwich dial, polished case, brushed crown guard, display back. Water resistant to 30 ATM. OP XI movement (ETA /Unitas 64XX base) with swan neck regulator. Black hour and minute hands, white seconds hand.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8085.jpg)
PAM00183J Radiomir Black Seal 45 mm. Historic Collection. The officers watch. My first Radiomir. Sandwich dial, polished case, no crown guard, display back. Water resistant to 10 ATM. OP XI movement (ETA /Unitas 64XX base) with swan neck regulator. Black hour and minute hands, white seconds hand. Wire lugs are held by 4 screws on the case back.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8086.jpg)
PAM00243I Luminor 1950 Submersible 1000 M 44 mm. Contemporary Collection. My first and perhaps only 1950 case and contemporary Panerai. Brushed case and crown guard. Solid case back. Water resistant to 100 ATM. OP III (ETA 7750 base) movement. Polished hands. Discontinued.
Must have a 1950 case in the collection. I have tried the 47 mm 1950 case models but an not able to carry them off. They sit high on the wrist. There are reasons why I got this watch. I had a PAM00024D, but sold it when I streamlined my collection to only model within the Historic collection. However the itch to get the PAM00024 was always there as I liked the watch. Always liked the Submersible.
Opportunity presented itself once sometime back, but I did not get it. Regretted it ever since. Second chance came, and I grabbed it. To me, it had to be the I series as it has the Tritium dial and the case does not come with the new quick release strap change mechanism. I don't like the mechanism. From J onwards, it has the mechanism, and from K onwards, the dial use SuperLuminova.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8087.jpg)
PAM00337M Radiomir 42 mm. Historic Collection. My first (well count as mine although bought for my wife) manufacture movement. Sandwich dial, polished case, no crown guard, display back. Water resistant to 10 ATM. Panerai calibre P999/1. Must have a manufacture movement in the collection. Polished hands. Discontinued.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8088.jpg)
PAM00367M Luminor Marina Special Edition China 44 mm. Special Edition. Actually this is my first Special Edition but it does not come with the large box. Painted dial (faux patina), polished case, brushed crown guard, solid case back. Water resistant to 30 ATM. OP II (ETA /Unitas 64XX base) movement. Black hour and minute hands, white seconds hand. Discontinued.
This watch is unique in that it does not come with an extra strap or tool (screwdriver) to change the strap. It's packaging is much like the packaging of the Radiomir PAM00183 and PAM00337.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8089.jpg)
What is 'missing' from the collection or what would 'complete' the collection? Some people say that there must be a base in the collection. I hope to get the PAM00390 Luminor 44 mm which is a base. There is also the Destro. So the PAM00219 would solve both needs as it is a base Destro. So if I don't get the PAM00390, I will go ahead and get the PAM00219. If I do get the PAM00390, I would still get the PAM00219, but that would close the collection and me calling it a day.
The other thing is the logo. Must have a logo in the collection. I am not really into the logo, but i might get a PAM00000 one day. What about a base Radiomir? Yes, the first Panerai issued were base Radiomir, much like the PAM00021 and PAM00232. That can be solved with the PAM00210. In fact, I would get the PAM00210 first before I get the PAM00000.
As it stands, the option is to get the PAM00219 and perhaps the PAM00210. The PAM00390 is a bonus. That I figure would be the state of my collection and that would bring the collection to a close.
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Nice... although I am not that into it.... yet... ;D
Is it just me or does the 111 and 376 looks awfully alike?
Only difference is the movement and sandwich vs painted?
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Nice... although I have not that into it.... yet... ;D
Is it just me or does the 111 and 376 looks awfully alike?
hanz079,
You mean the PAM00367.
The differences:
1. Sandwich dial vs Painted Dial
2. Different Fonts for the Arabic Hour markers. The PAM00367 has the font that is closer to the PAM00001.
3. The length of the luminous material on the hands, it is longer on the PAM00367, almost to the tip of the hands, much like Panerai hands of old.
4. Green vs Faux Patina Luminova
5. Solid case back vs display back
6. OP II vs OP XI movement
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nice collection hobbit, maybe when i get all of mine back from my watchmaker and from the bank i can take one family photo too.
actually not only base and destro bro, u r missing PVD action and a strong patina base.
what about a 2A/BT, and a 26K. good combo. ;D
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nice collection hobbit, maybe when i get all of mine back from my watchmaker and from the bank i can take one family photo too.
actually not only base and destro bro, u r missing PVD action and a strong patina base.
what about a 2A/BT, and a 26K. good combo. ;D
dsiewmy,
I am not really into the Patina action. I would get it if the price is right. The difference between a BT and a BL is not for me. Same applies for the PVD. I would like to get one but not at the asking price, even brand new from Panerai. My most expensive Panerai (watch for that matter) is the PAM00337 and I would like it to stay that way.
The fact of the matter is I am already suffering from Panerai Model Fatigue and would like to call it a day. I have for the past month been busy culling my collection of over 200 watches (lots of Casio and fashion brands) to bring it down to a more manageable level of perhaps 20 to 25 watches. I am already retired and don't go out much, so the opportunity to wear my watches is really not there.
Anyway, I would love to see your collection. I am sure it will be outstanding.
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Nice... although I have not that into it.... yet... ;D
Is it just me or does the 111 and 376 looks awfully alike?
hanz079,
You mean the PAM00367.
The differences:
1. Sandwich dial vs Painted Dial
2. Different Fonts for the Arabic Hour markers. The PAM00367 has the font that is closer to the PAM00001.
3. The length of the luminous material on the hands, it is longer on the PAM00367, almost to the tip of the hands, much like Panerai hands of old.
4. Green vs Faux Patina Luminova
5. Solid case back vs display back
6. OP II vs OP XI movement
I stand corrected.... it's 367 and not 376.... :P
Even from your detailed explanations, I still find myself hard pressed to find the difference in the fonts... and also the lume on the hands... look the same to me... ???
As for sandwich and painted... I saw that...
Well... it's just me... Paneristis will spot the difference between 111 and 367 in a heartbeat I guess...
And just out of curiosity... with the 2 so similar... you could always choose one to let go and get your destro base...
Is there any point in keeping 2 so awfully similar (to me at least) watches?
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A Fine, Fine private collection of Panerai's, TheHobbit.
Add an 8day or 10day maybe?
Congratulations.
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I stand corrected.... it's 367 and not 376.... :P
Even from your detailed explanations, I still find myself hard pressed to find the difference in the fonts... and also the lume on the hands... look the same to me... ???
As for sandwich and painted... I saw that...
Well... it's just me... Paneristis will spot the difference between 111 and 367 in a heartbeat I guess...
And just out of curiosity... with the 2 so similar... you could always choose one to let go and get your destro base...
Is there any point in keeping 2 so awfully similar (to me at least) watches?
hanz079,
Perhaps these photographs will help.
Look at the PAM00367 on the left and the PAM00111 on the right. You can see the font for the numbers 12, 3 and 6 are different. The '6' on the PAM00111 is more rounded while the 'back' of the '6' on the PAM00367 is 'flatter'.
The 'top' of the '3' on the PAM00367 is 'shorter' than the '3' on the PAM00111.
Notice the difference between the '2' in the '12' between the PAM00367 and PAM00111.
Also notice the difference in the colour of the hands, hour markers and legends on the dial.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8090.jpg)
Look at the hands. The first picture is the hands of the PAM00367. It has a longer luminous strip and it extends all the way to the tip.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8091.jpg)
Look at the hands of the PAM00111. It does not extend all the way. The luminous strip actually ends at the base of the 'triangle' of the tip.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSC_8092.jpg)
From the photos you can also see (more clearly) the difference between the fonts used.
Hope that helps.
And to answer the question of which one to let go for the Destro, it won't be any of the two. There is a Tudor, Omega and perhaps a Longines lined up for that trade.
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A Fine, Fine private collection of Panerai's, TheHobbit.
Add an 8day or 10day maybe?
Congratulations.
cd32815,
Thank you. I would love to add an 8 days to the collection, but the only 8 days I like is the PAM00190 and they are hard to come by.
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Brovo,
Very good taste of PAM collection. Cheers
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Yes Hobbs... always the patient one.
Thanks for all the illustration... it's been refreshing.
Did not know what kind of small details to look for when 2 similar models are put side by side, now at least I know abit... :Cheers:
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Master Hobbit,
I congratulate you on a fine collection and admire your knowledge.
But you are SERIOUSLY poisoning me! :'(
I'm only beginning to 'study' the Panerai and at this moment, still haven't got the urge.
However, I've decided to add 2 models to my list of grails to get - the Luminor base model with logo, Pam00000, & the Radiomir 8 Days Titanio, Pam00346.
With these 2 models, I figure I've got almost everything Panerai can throw at me;
> Luminor & Radiomir.
> brown dial & black dial.
> basic clean face & seconds dial + date.
> polished steel & titanium.
> solid caseback & see-through.
> mechanical hand winding & power reserve.
After that, let's see where the poison (& my wallet) takes me.
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup:
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Radiomir 8 Days Titanio, Pam00346.
bryankwc,
Thank you. I had the opportunity to see and 'play' with the PAM00346 recently. It is a very beautiful watch and hard to come by. I hope you get it. But at almost RM46k, it is a bit out of my league.
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bryankwc,
Thank you. I had the opportunity to see and 'play' with the PAM00346 recently. It is a very beautiful watch and hard to come by. I hope you get it. But at almost RM46k, it is a bit out of my league.
Yeah, I checked the prices online recently.
Well, at least now I have a target to aim for.
But not before getting my Rollie (falling in love with the green Sub - 116610LV with the maxi dial) & then it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!
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Hi Hobbit,
Nice collection.
Judging by your selection of PAMs, I assume you are really into the historical models.
Have you considered the PAM 127 "Fiddy'? Though it's 47mm, IMHO the subtle differences would be nice addition to your collection.
Else, a Pre-V model is equally great but it may be a bit too similar with the rest.
Juts my 2cents :thumbsup:
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it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!
bryankwc,
Personally, between a Patek and a high end Panerai, I would go Patek.
All the best with the hunt.
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Hi Hobbit,
Nice collection.
Judging by your selection of PAMs, I assume you are really into the historical models.
Have you considered the PAM 127 "Fiddy'? Though it's 47mm, IMHO the subtle differences would be nice addition to your collection.
Else, a Pre-V model is equally great but it may be a bit too similar with the rest.
Juts my 2cents :thumbsup:
nick168fng,
I would love to be able to afford the PAM00127 or any of the Pre-V Panerai, but with the PAM00127 touching RM 60 to 65k, it is a bit out of my league. Don't get me started on the Pre-V models. Even the Pre-V Slytech are now going for like RM200K. If I remember correctly, the PAM00021 recently sold for almost RM660K.
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it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!
bryankwc,
Personally, between a Patek and a high end Panerai, I would go Patek.
All the best with the hunt.
+ 1...to me the ranking of "P" is 1st Patek, 2nd audemars Piguet and then Panerai
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it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!
bryankwc,
Personally, between a Patek and a high end Panerai, I would go Patek.
All the best with the hunt.
+ 1...to me the ranking of "P" is 1st Patek, 2nd audemars Piguet and then Panerai
Yeah...in my heart, I know I'll go for the Patek. Just look at my signature below. :Praying:
Also, the Sub is a masculine watch.
So a simpler, classy Calatrava would be a good addition.
Still, as Foreigner puts it - I want to know what love (for a Pam) is!
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup:
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it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!
bryankwc,
Personally, between a Patek and a high end Panerai, I would go Patek.
All the best with the hunt.
+ 1...to me the ranking of "P" is 1st Patek, 2nd audemars Piguet and then Panerai
Yeah...in my heart, I know I'll go for the Patek. Just look at my signature below. :Praying:
Also, the Sub is a masculine watch.
So a simpler, classy Calatrava would be a good addition.
Still, as Foreigner puts it - I want to know what love (for a Pam) is!
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup:
I love the song from foreigner (bold wording) as much as my future pammie. ;D
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nice collection hobbit, maybe when i get all of mine back from my watchmaker and from the bank i can take one family photo too.
actually not only base and destro bro, u r missing PVD action and a strong patina base.
what about a 2A/BT, and a 26K. good combo. ;D
dsiewmy,
I am not really into the Patina action. I would get it if the price is right. The difference between a BT and a BL is not for me. Same applies for the PVD. I would like to get one but not at the asking price, even brand new from Panerai. My most expensive Panerai (watch for that matter) is the PAM00337 and I would like it to stay that way.
The fact of the matter is I am already suffering from Panerai Model Fatigue and would like to call it a day. I have for the past month been busy culling my collection of over 200 watches (lots of Casio and fashion brands) to bring it down to a more manageable level of perhaps 20 to 25 watches. I am already retired and don't go out much, so the opportunity to wear my watches is really not there.
Anyway, I would love to see your collection. I am sure it will be outstanding.
hmm, if tritium doesn't appeal to you then you will save a lot of money there ;)
as for PVD, it's really beautiful. pencil grey is pretty hard to come by even including other makers.
it's not black, not grey, but pencil grey. especially awesome with patina or faux patina.
really should consider a piece i.e. 26K, 28L all asking around retail prices nowadays.
lastly, have u ever tried a titanium? 176, 55, etc. beautiful shade, pretty nice for a base
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Newbie question for Sifu Dsiewmy.
What are the differences between the Base 000 and the 360?
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup:
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hmm, if tritium doesn't appeal to you then you will save a lot of money there ;)
as for PVD, it's really beautiful. pencil grey is pretty hard to come by even including other makers.
it's not black, not grey, but pencil grey. especially awesome with patina or faux patina.
really should consider a piece i.e. 26K, 28L all asking around retail prices nowadays.
lastly, have u ever tried a titanium? 176, 55, etc. beautiful shade, pretty nice for a base
dsiewmy,
I agree on the PVD on the Panerai. It is very nice. I like it a lot. As for the titanium models, I have seen (and was offered) the PAM00176G. It is a nice base and even nicer with the painted dial, but still holding out.
I was offered a PAM00232 (yesterday) and am considering it. Perhaps I should just get it and call it a day and forget about the rest. We will have to see what happens. I am sure it will look good on the JV strap I have on order from Panerai.
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pam 000
(http://www.paneraisource.com/images/watches/pam000_01.jpg)
pam 360
(http://www.paneraisource.com/images/watches/pam360_01.jpg)
both also called logos, as they are remakes of the original 5218/201a logo.
there're tons of articles about this watch, go search about it and read about it if u r keen on logo.
without going into much detail about the dial, just a bit about the watch:
(1) PAM000 is a regular production model produced yearly, PAM360 was a 10th anniversary SE for p.com only 300 were made
(2) very huge price difference (PAM360 about 6x the RRP of PAM000)
(3) polished stainless steel on PAM000, PVD DLC on PAM360
(4) green L dial on 000, faux patina L dial on 360
(5) normal case back on 000, special engraved back case to say 10th anniversary etc. etc. etc on 360
(6) notice also the position of LUMINOR and PANERAI on 000 (doesn't follow exactly as the original 201A logo), whilst 360 has a much balanced dial.
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hmm, if tritium doesn't appeal to you then you will save a lot of money there ;)
as for PVD, it's really beautiful. pencil grey is pretty hard to come by even including other makers.
it's not black, not grey, but pencil grey. especially awesome with patina or faux patina.
really should consider a piece i.e. 26K, 28L all asking around retail prices nowadays.
lastly, have u ever tried a titanium? 176, 55, etc. beautiful shade, pretty nice for a base
dsiewmy,
I agree on the PVD on the Panerai. It is very nice. I like it a lot. As for the titanium models, I have seen (and was offered) the PAM00176G. It is a nice base and even nicer with the painted dial, but still holding out.
I was offered a PAM00232 (yesterday) and am considering it. Perhaps I should just get it and call it a day and forget about the rest. We will have to see what happens. I am sure it will look good on the JV strap I have on order from Panerai.
wooo, every hardcore risti should have a PAM232, i have a group of ristis nearly all of us has a 232 at one time or another.
may i know how much are they offering it for?
i reckon it looks nicer on a french ammo, or if dressier on a dark color brown tapered simona croc.
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wooo, every hardcore risti should have a PAM232, i have a group of ristis nearly all of us has a 232 at one time or another.
may i know how much are they offering it for?
i reckon it looks nicer on a french ammo, or if dressier on a dark color brown tapered simona croc.
PM sent
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pam 000
(http://www.paneraisource.com/images/watches/pam000_01.jpg)
pam 360
(http://www.paneraisource.com/images/watches/pam360_01.jpg)
both also called logos, as they are remakes of the original 5218/201a logo.
there're tons of articles about this watch, go search about it and read about it if u r keen on logo.
without going into much detail about the dial, just a bit about the watch:
(1) PAM000 is a regular production model produced yearly, PAM360 was a 10th anniversary SE for p.com only 300 were made
(2) very huge price difference (PAM360 about 6x the RRP of PAM000)
(3) polished stainless steel on PAM000, PVD DLC on PAM360
(4) green L dial on 000, faux patina L dial on 360
(5) normal case back on 000, special engraved back case to say 10th anniversary etc. etc. etc on 360
(6) notice also the position of LUMINOR and PANERAI on 000 (doesn't follow exactly as the original 201A logo), whilst 360 has a much balanced dial.
Thank you for showing the light on the 000 v/s 360.
Wow! I've got a lot to learn about Panerai. :shocked1:
Having seen both the watches together, I think the 360 is the better looking but at 6x the price of the base...... :Mad:
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup:
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like these :
201a - the original vintage logo
(http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/_01.jpg)
360 - the modern cousin
(http://blog.perpetuelle.com/wp-content/uploads/panerai_paneristi_pam360-620x426.jpg)
390 - the newest addition
(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae252/hennabav/Pam%20390N/IMG_0513.jpg)
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This kind of examples that makes me not getting enough sleep :Mad: thinking of a PAM..but unfortunately still cant afford one. :Praying: :Praying:
That's why a newbie that i am, decided to go on a current icon 111 to begin with. Been offered a 312 but cant get off the 111... and rather than to go for a 312 might as well save money for a cheaper S.E like the 2001 regatta, arktos, explorer bezel etc.
Not to mentioned owning a panerai and joining the paneristi community expands the friendship demography which what happens to me, is one cool experience. :Cheers:
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Newbie. Started to learn bout watches early last yr, introduced by a friend. Since then I ve a Black seal n Pam 88. And I do agree w the seniors that there are just too many LD n SD for Panerai. Unlike Rolex, I ve stop collecting Pam for the time being. Sometimes I wish they will just concentrate on 15 models or less and develop the line. Also giving it some names wld give the models stronger brand identification like Rolexes Sub, GMT, Yatchmaster etc.
Honestly I do find Pam watches ruggedly beautiful, just than quite confusing for an amateur like me.
Tq
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Newbie. Started to learn bout watches early last yr, introduced by a friend. Since then I ve a Black seal n Pam 88. And I do agree w the seniors that there are just too many LD n SD for Panerai. Unlike Rolex, I ve stop collecting Pam for the time being. Sometimes I wish they will just concentrate on 15 models or less and develop the line. Also giving it some names wld give the models stronger brand identification like Rolexes Sub, GMT, Yatchmaster etc.
Honestly I do find Pam watches ruggedly beautiful, just than quite confusing for an amateur like me.
Tq
hmm i don't think that the pam collection is THAT confusing.
let's put it this way.
the largest collection are split to 2 :
(1) HISTORIC RANGE
(2) CONTEMPORARY RANGE
<Linking to Rolex example>
(1) the historic range is where PAM DNA is strongest. this part i'd say would be similar to that of ROLEX SPORT range.
(2) the contemporary range adds on new functions for convenience/based on customer demand (PR,date,auto, etc etc). this range is much more complicated, and wouldn't it be similar to the datejust range?
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^^ +1 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Dsiewmy
Thanks. I know you r an expert on Pam so your guidance is really helpful.
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Dsiewmy
Thanks. I know you r an expert on Pam so your guidance is really helpful.
thanks bro sm, i'm no expert, just somebody really poisoned with the pam venom.
and hope to help out the other bros who are confused or lost in their path to finding their fav pam. which most likely will end up as the logo ;D
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bryankwc,
Thank you. I had the opportunity to see and 'play' with the PAM00346 recently. It is a very beautiful watch and hard to come by. I hope you get it. But at almost RM46k, it is a bit out of my league.
Hi Hobbit.
Just read your blog yesterday & found out where you got to 'play' with the PAM00346.
Is it what a PAM collector would expect of a good Panerai?
I mean its DNA, size & boldness, etc.
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup:
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Hi Hobbit.
Just read your blog yesterday & found out where you got to 'play' with the PAM00346.
Is it what a PAM collector would expect of a good Panerai?
I mean its DNA, size & boldness, etc.
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup:
bryankwc,
Had the opportunity to 'play' with the watch again, here in Taiwan (got suckered into putting my name down for the PAM00219.....). It is a nice watch. It is a good watch but personally I would get the PAM00190 over this one. The PAM00346 is nice with its brown dial and gold hands but the cyclops does not do it for me. It does for others, but not for me. That is one of the main reason I have not gotten into the Contemporary collection, save the PAM00243.
If I had to get an 8 days Radiomir (and I have the funds), I would go for the PAM00339 or if you just want to get a Radiomir with Panerai DNA, it would be the PAM00249 or PAM00232 or the coming soon (so they say) PAM00372.
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Hobbit,
Thanks for your views.
More models to research on & my quest to understand the PAM continues...
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup: