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Re: Panerai, what do you think?
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2011, 01:01:11 PM »

And by the way... what is clean dial, tobacco dial (I assume this is the brownish dial) and Hobnail?

hanz079,

Firstly apologies for the lack of photographs.

Clean dial, to me is like what the dial on PAM00000 or PAM00005 or any base model is. Minimal writing or logo or anything on the dial. Sterile would be like PAM00249.

Tobacco dial is the brownish dial.

Hobnail is the dial on the PAM00025 Submersible.

Tuxedo is the dial on the PAM00029

Hope that helps.

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Re: Panerai, what do you think?
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2011, 02:13:53 PM »
I'm one of those who never really got the Pam. The number of models is just mind boggling! Just my personal opinion. I prefer my watches to look a bit different but of course how we define "a bit different" is up to the individual. Enjoy your Pams! Cheers..

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Re: Panerai, what do you think?
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2011, 03:53:48 PM »

And by the way... what is clean dial, tobacco dial (I assume this is the brownish dial) and Hobnail?

hanz079,

Firstly apologies for the lack of photographs.

Clean dial, to me is like what the dial on PAM00000 or PAM00005 or any base model is. Minimal writing or logo or anything on the dial. Sterile would be like PAM00249.

Tobacco dial is the brownish dial.

Hobnail is the dial on the PAM00025 Submersible.

Tuxedo is the dial on the PAM00029

Hope that helps.
hobbit, u the man! your explanation is on the dot mate!

well, i'm a sucker for clean dials especially ones with minimal writing.

like these :
201a - the original vintage logo


360 - the modern cousin


390 - the newest addition


irregardless of what panerai plans to make, these 3 are still my fav.

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Re: Panerai, what do you think?
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2011, 03:55:44 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the sub-second necessary for it to achieve COSC? As far as I know those without the subsecond like 000,112,210 etc... are not COSC rated.

well, if u collect panerais, i think movement and being a chronometer is pretty much not high in your requirements, at least for me.
it's more about the look, the design, how it makes me feel and of course the story behind.

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Re: Panerai, what do you think?
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2011, 04:03:10 PM »

Yeah perhaps it is time for me to call it a day as well. But the call of PAM00390, PAM00219 and PAM00210 is strong......  ::)

The force from the Pammie (Dark) side is strong. You can do it, young warrior!.

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Why Panerai?
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2011, 06:30:49 PM »
I will try to explain why Panerai and what makes up my collection. Basically Panerai because of the bold and strong dial design, brand name and history. It is to me the ultimate tool watch, to be worn (but not abuse). Beautiful watches, steep with tradition and that Italian flair.

Most of the watches in my collection are 44 mm and are in the Historic collection (hand wind movement).

You will notice that most of the watches are not on the original strap as I do not use the straps. Some are on Panerai straps but they are not original to the watch as a set.

PAM00003B Luminor Marina 44 mm. Historic Collection. My first Panerai. White dial, polished case and crown guard, matte crown guard lever, solid case back. Water resistant to 30 ATM. OP II (ETA /Unitas 64XX base) movement. Black hands. Discontinued.

Had I not got this way back, I don't think I will have a white dial Panerai in the collection.



PAM00092G Luminor Arktos 44 mm. Special Edition. My first proper Special Edition. Specially created for Mike Horn and it is anti-magnetic. Based on the Submersible. Brushed case and crown guard. Solid case back with Arktos Engraving. Water resistant to 30 ATM. OP III (ETA 7750 base) movement. Special Edition of 500 pieces. Black hands. Discontinued.

Must have a special edition in the collection as it comes with a bigger box and certificates.



PAM00111H Luminor Marina 44 mm. Historic Collection. My first black dial Panerai. Sandwich dial, polished case, brushed crown guard, display back. Water resistant to 30 ATM. OP XI movement (ETA /Unitas 64XX base) with swan neck regulator. Black hour and minute hands, white seconds hand.



PAM00183J Radiomir Black Seal 45 mm. Historic Collection. The officers watch. My first Radiomir. Sandwich dial, polished case, no crown guard, display back. Water resistant to 10 ATM. OP XI movement (ETA /Unitas 64XX base) with swan neck regulator. Black hour and minute hands, white seconds hand. Wire lugs are held by 4 screws on the case back.



PAM00243I Luminor 1950 Submersible 1000 M 44 mm. Contemporary Collection. My first and perhaps only 1950 case and contemporary Panerai. Brushed case and crown guard. Solid case back. Water resistant to 100 ATM. OP III (ETA 7750 base) movement. Polished hands. Discontinued.

Must have a 1950 case in the collection. I have tried the 47 mm 1950 case models but an not able to carry them off. They sit high on the wrist. There are reasons why I got this watch. I had a PAM00024D, but sold it when I streamlined my collection to only model within the Historic collection. However the itch to get the PAM00024 was always there as I liked the watch. Always liked the Submersible.

Opportunity presented itself once sometime back, but I did not get it. Regretted it ever since. Second chance came, and I grabbed it. To me, it had to be the I series as it has the Tritium dial and the case does not come with the new quick release strap change mechanism. I don't like the mechanism. From J onwards, it has the mechanism, and from K onwards, the dial use SuperLuminova.



PAM00337M Radiomir 42 mm. Historic Collection. My first (well count as mine although bought for my wife) manufacture movement. Sandwich dial, polished case, no crown guard, display back. Water resistant to 10 ATM. Panerai calibre P999/1. Must have a manufacture movement in the collection. Polished hands. Discontinued. 



PAM00367M Luminor Marina Special Edition China 44 mm. Special Edition. Actually this is my first Special Edition but it does not come with the large box. Painted dial (faux patina), polished case, brushed crown guard, solid case back. Water resistant to 30 ATM. OP II (ETA /Unitas 64XX base) movement. Black hour and minute hands, white seconds hand. Discontinued.

This watch is unique in that it does not come with an extra strap or tool (screwdriver) to change the strap. It's packaging is much like the packaging of the Radiomir PAM00183 and PAM00337.



What is 'missing' from the collection or what would 'complete' the collection? Some people say that there must be a base in the collection. I hope to get the PAM00390 Luminor 44 mm which is a base. There is also the Destro. So the PAM00219 would solve both needs as it is a base Destro. So if I don't get the PAM00390, I will go ahead and get the PAM00219. If I do get the PAM00390, I would still get the PAM00219, but that would close the collection and me calling it a day.

The other thing is the logo. Must have a logo in the collection. I am not really into the logo, but i might get a PAM00000 one day. What about a base Radiomir? Yes, the first Panerai issued were base Radiomir, much like the PAM00021 and PAM00232. That can be solved with the PAM00210. In fact, I would get the PAM00210 first before I get the PAM00000.

As it stands, the option is to get the PAM00219 and perhaps the PAM00210. The PAM00390 is a bonus. That I figure would be the state of my collection and that would bring the collection to a close.
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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2011, 06:42:10 PM »
Nice... although I am not that into it.... yet...  ;D
Is it just me or does the 111 and 376 looks awfully alike?
Only difference is the movement and sandwich vs painted?
« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 06:48:16 PM by hanz079 »
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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2011, 06:51:48 PM »
Nice... although I have not that into it.... yet...  ;D
Is it just me or does the 111 and 376 looks awfully alike?

hanz079,

You mean the PAM00367.

The differences:

1. Sandwich dial vs Painted Dial
2. Different Fonts for the Arabic Hour markers. The PAM00367 has the font that is closer to the PAM00001.
3. The length of the luminous material on the hands, it is longer on the PAM00367, almost to the tip of the hands, much like Panerai hands of old.
4. Green vs Faux Patina Luminova
5. Solid case back vs display back
6. OP II vs OP XI movement

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2011, 06:59:42 PM »
nice collection hobbit, maybe when i get all of mine back from my watchmaker and from the bank i can take one family photo too.

actually not only base and destro bro, u r missing PVD action and a strong patina base.
what about a 2A/BT, and a 26K. good combo.  ;D

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2011, 07:18:49 PM »
nice collection hobbit, maybe when i get all of mine back from my watchmaker and from the bank i can take one family photo too.

actually not only base and destro bro, u r missing PVD action and a strong patina base.
what about a 2A/BT, and a 26K. good combo.  ;D

dsiewmy,

I am not really into the Patina action. I would get it if the price is right. The difference between a BT and a BL is not for me. Same applies for the PVD. I would like to get one but not at the asking price, even brand new from Panerai. My most expensive Panerai (watch for that matter) is the PAM00337 and I would like it to stay that way.

The fact of the matter is I am already suffering from Panerai Model Fatigue and would like to call it a day. I have for the past month been busy culling my collection of over 200 watches (lots of Casio and fashion brands) to bring it down to a more manageable level of perhaps 20 to 25 watches. I am already retired and don't go out much, so the opportunity to wear my watches is really not there.

Anyway, I would love to see your collection. I am sure it will be outstanding.

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2011, 07:20:46 PM »
Nice... although I have not that into it.... yet...  ;D
Is it just me or does the 111 and 376 looks awfully alike?

hanz079,

You mean the PAM00367.

The differences:

1. Sandwich dial vs Painted Dial
2. Different Fonts for the Arabic Hour markers. The PAM00367 has the font that is closer to the PAM00001.
3. The length of the luminous material on the hands, it is longer on the PAM00367, almost to the tip of the hands, much like Panerai hands of old.
4. Green vs Faux Patina Luminova
5. Solid case back vs display back
6. OP II vs OP XI movement
I stand corrected.... it's 367 and not 376.... :P
Even from your detailed explanations, I still find myself hard pressed to find the difference in the fonts... and also the lume on the hands... look the same to me...  ???
As for sandwich and painted... I saw that...
Well... it's just me... Paneristis will spot the difference between 111 and 367 in a heartbeat I guess...

And just out of curiosity... with the 2 so similar... you could always choose one to let go and get your destro base...
Is there any point in keeping 2 so awfully similar (to me at least) watches?
« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 07:26:31 PM by hanz079 »
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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2011, 07:31:24 PM »
A Fine, Fine private collection of Panerai's, TheHobbit.

Add an 8day or 10day maybe?

Congratulations.

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2011, 07:43:03 PM »

I stand corrected.... it's 367 and not 376.... :P
Even from your detailed explanations, I still find myself hard pressed to find the difference in the fonts... and also the lume on the hands... look the same to me...  ???
As for sandwich and painted... I saw that...
Well... it's just me... Paneristis will spot the difference between 111 and 367 in a heartbeat I guess...

And just out of curiosity... with the 2 so similar... you could always choose one to let go and get your destro base...
Is there any point in keeping 2 so awfully similar (to me at least) watches?

hanz079,

Perhaps these photographs will help.

Look at the PAM00367 on the left and the PAM00111 on the right. You can see the font for the numbers 12, 3 and 6 are different. The '6' on the PAM00111 is more rounded while the 'back' of the '6' on the PAM00367 is 'flatter'.

The 'top' of the '3' on the PAM00367 is 'shorter' than the '3' on the PAM00111.

Notice the difference between the '2' in the '12' between the PAM00367 and PAM00111.

Also notice the difference in the colour of the hands, hour markers and legends on the dial.



Look at the hands. The first picture is the hands of the PAM00367. It has a longer luminous strip and it extends all the way to the tip.



Look at the hands of the PAM00111. It does not extend all the way. The luminous strip actually ends at the base of the 'triangle' of the tip.



From the photos you can also see (more clearly) the difference between the fonts used.

Hope that helps.

And to answer the question of which one to let go for the Destro, it won't be any of the two. There is a Tudor, Omega and perhaps a Longines lined up for that trade.
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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2011, 07:46:47 PM »
A Fine, Fine private collection of Panerai's, TheHobbit.

Add an 8day or 10day maybe?

Congratulations.

cd32815,

Thank you. I would love to add an 8 days to the collection, but the only 8 days I like is the PAM00190 and they are hard to come by.

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2011, 07:51:36 PM »
Brovo,

Very good taste of PAM collection. Cheers

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2011, 07:54:15 PM »
Yes Hobbs... always the patient one.
Thanks for all the illustration... it's been refreshing.
Did not know what kind of small details to look for when 2 similar models are put side by side, now at least I know abit... :Cheers:
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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2011, 08:06:33 PM »
Master Hobbit,
I congratulate you on a fine collection and admire your knowledge.
But you are SERIOUSLY poisoning me!  :'(
I'm only beginning to 'study' the Panerai and at this moment, still haven't got the urge.
However, I've decided to add 2 models to my list of grails to get - the Luminor base model with logo, Pam00000, & the Radiomir 8 Days Titanio, Pam00346.
With these 2 models, I figure I've got almost everything Panerai can throw at me;
> Luminor & Radiomir.
> brown dial & black dial.
> basic clean face & seconds dial + date.
> polished steel & titanium.
> solid caseback & see-through.
> mechanical hand winding & power reserve.
After that, let's see where the poison (& my wallet) takes me.
Take care, Ciao!  :thumbsup:


« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 08:08:13 PM by bryankwc »
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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2011, 08:13:53 PM »
Radiomir 8 Days Titanio, Pam00346.


bryankwc,

Thank you. I had the opportunity to see and 'play' with the PAM00346 recently. It is a very beautiful watch and hard to come by. I hope you get it. But at almost RM46k, it is a bit out of my league.

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2011, 08:37:10 PM »

bryankwc,

Thank you. I had the opportunity to see and 'play' with the PAM00346 recently. It is a very beautiful watch and hard to come by. I hope you get it. But at almost RM46k, it is a bit out of my league.
Yeah, I checked the prices online recently.
Well, at least now I have a target to aim for.
But not before getting my Rollie (falling in love with the green Sub - 116610LV with the maxi dial) & then it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!
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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2011, 08:41:28 PM »
Hi Hobbit,

Nice collection.

Judging by your selection of PAMs, I assume you are really into the historical models.

Have you considered the PAM 127 "Fiddy'? Though it's 47mm, IMHO the subtle differences would be nice addition to your collection.

Else, a Pre-V model is equally great but it may be a bit too similar with the rest.

Juts my 2cents  :thumbsup:

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2011, 08:49:09 PM »
it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!

bryankwc,

Personally, between a Patek and a high end Panerai, I would go Patek.

All the best with the hunt.

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2011, 08:58:04 PM »
Hi Hobbit,

Nice collection.

Judging by your selection of PAMs, I assume you are really into the historical models.

Have you considered the PAM 127 "Fiddy'? Though it's 47mm, IMHO the subtle differences would be nice addition to your collection.

Else, a Pre-V model is equally great but it may be a bit too similar with the rest.

Juts my 2cents  :thumbsup:

nick168fng,

I would love to be able to afford the PAM00127 or any of the Pre-V Panerai, but with the PAM00127 touching RM 60 to 65k, it is a bit out of my league. Don't get me started on the Pre-V models. Even the Pre-V Slytech are now going for like RM200K. If I remember correctly, the PAM00021 recently sold for almost RM660K.

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2011, 09:07:41 PM »
it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!

bryankwc,

Personally, between a Patek and a high end Panerai, I would go Patek.

All the best with the hunt.
+ 1...to me the ranking of "P" is 1st Patek, 2nd audemars Piguet and then Panerai

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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2011, 09:28:36 PM »
it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!

bryankwc,

Personally, between a Patek and a high end Panerai, I would go Patek.

All the best with the hunt.
+ 1...to me the ranking of "P" is 1st Patek, 2nd audemars Piguet and then Panerai
Yeah...in my heart, I know I'll go for the Patek. Just look at my signature below.  :Praying:
Also, the Sub is a masculine watch.
So a simpler, classy Calatrava would be a good addition.
Still, as Foreigner puts it - I want to know what love (for a Pam) is!
Take care, Ciao!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Why Panerai?
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2011, 10:12:25 PM »
it'll be a fight between the Pam and the Patek to be my next serious watch.
Que sera-sera!

bryankwc,

Personally, between a Patek and a high end Panerai, I would go Patek.

All the best with the hunt.
+ 1...to me the ranking of "P" is 1st Patek, 2nd audemars Piguet and then Panerai
Yeah...in my heart, I know I'll go for the Patek. Just look at my signature below.  :Praying:
Also, the Sub is a masculine watch.
So a simpler, classy Calatrava would be a good addition.
Still, as Foreigner puts it - I want to know what love (for a Pam) is!
Take care, Ciao!  :thumbsup:

I love the song from foreigner (bold wording) as much as my future pammie.  ;D
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