Panerai, what do you think?

[TheHobbit]

I know that at the end of the day Panerai is a company and making money is its final objective, but do you think they are milking it a little? Hot on the heels of the PAM00390.....

Looks like they are going upmarket....

PAM00442. Limited edition of 2,000 pieces. Wonder why the PAM00372 is not a limited edition.....



PAM00385. Limited edition of 75 pieces for the Crystal Group in the Ukraine.



Me thinks me should stop collecting Panerai........

Model fatigue setting in..... Sigh......

[cd32815]

I know that at the end of the day Panerai is a company and making money is its final objective, but do you think they are milking it a little? Hot on the heels of the PAM00390.....

Looks like they are going upmarket....

PAM00442. Limited edition of 2,000 pieces. Wonder why the PAM00372 is not a limited edition.....



PAM00385. Limited edition of 75 pieces for the Crystal Group in the Ukraine.



Me thinks me should stop collecting Panerai........

Model fatigue setting in..... Sigh......

Hello The Hobbit,

The calibre 3000 is very nice and definitely upmarket. Beautiful simplicity. The RDM is not very original though!
Value or price like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder I think? No?

I had a problem following Panerai when their model numbers exceeded 100.

[dennis.T]

Too many model and aesthetically all look alike to me. My knowledge on Pam stop at historic model and not really following bcos too many luminor variation. No offense to Pam fans

[dpkong]

just when i was beginning to like Panerai.....

[bryankwc]

Too many model and aesthetically all look alike to me. My knowledge on Pam stop at historic model and not really following bcos too many luminor variation. No offense to Pam fans

Agree with your comments, Dennistwc.
I find it hard to keep up & differentiate between the models.
As I had posted somewhere else, I also find Panerai not an easy brand to appreciate.
Having said that, I would like to own 1 - perhaps the Zero - & try to feel the love some many other watch collectors feel for the Pam.
At the end of the day, 1 man's coffee is another's tea.
Take care, Caio! 

[wslee]

I know that at the end of the day Panerai is a company and making money is its final objective, but do you think they are milking it a little? Hot on the heels of the PAM00390.....

Looks like they are going upmarket....

PAM00442. Limited edition of 2,000 pieces. Wonder why the PAM00372 is not a limited edition.....



PAM00385. Limited edition of 75 pieces for the Crystal Group in the Ukraine.



Me thinks me should stop collecting Panerai........

Model fatigue setting in..... Sigh......

Hi Hobbit,

PAM442 is nice but cant seem to find much info on it,currently how much is it selling?

[TheHobbit]

just when i was beginning to like Panerai.....

Don't let this get you down. There is lots to love about Panerai. It is just (for me), I wish they would stop and take a breather and let the models actually reach the AD and Boutiques before announcing new models. Perhaps it is their way of keeping the momentum going. Don't know.

As my Panerai collection revolves around the Historic collection, I am like bryankwc and Dennistwc in that I do not follow (closely) the models outside the Historic collection.

wslee,

No price just yet as it is currently on show at the event in Milan (should be around the PAM00372 price). It will be 'officially' launched in SIHH 2012, so expect to see it sometime in mid to end 2012. As for the spec:

Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3001 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai,
16½ lignes, 6.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/ hour.
Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 207 components.
Functions: Hours, minutes, small seconds, power reserve indicator on the back, seconds reset.
Case: Diameter 47 mm, polished steel.
Bezel: Polished steel.
Back: See-through sapphire crystal.
Device protecting the crown: (protected as a Trademark) Brushed steel.
Dial: Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
Crystal: Plexiglas®, 3 mm thick.
Water-resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size brushed steel buckle. Supplied with a
second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.
Reference: PAM00422.

[terrenceterrence]

sigh..makes me seriously reconsider this hobby. the sheer amount of rehash and price increase is getting very obscene.

how much and long are they going to milk this? seriously i am really wishing all watch co execs would board an old russian junk and crash to a fiery death in some far flung desert. 

[wslee]

just when i was beginning to like Panerai.....

Don't let this get you down. There is lots to love about Panerai. It is just (for me), I wish they would stop and take a breather and let the models actually reach the AD and Boutiques before announcing new models. Perhaps it is their way of keeping the momentum going. Don't know.

As my Panerai collection revolves around the Historic collection, I am like bryankwc and Dennistwc in that I do not follow (closely) the models outside the Historic collection.

wslee,

No price just yet as it is currently on show at the event in Milan (should be around the PAM00372 price). It will be 'officially' launched in SIHH 2012, so expect to see it sometime in mid to end 2012. As for the spec:

Movement: Hand-wound mechanical, Panerai P.3001 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai,
16½ lignes, 6.3 mm thick, 21 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 21,600 alternations/ hour.
Incabloc® anti-shock device. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. 207 components.
Functions: Hours, minutes, small seconds, power reserve indicator on the back, seconds reset.
Case: Diameter 47 mm, polished steel.
Bezel: Polished steel.
Back: See-through sapphire crystal.
Device protecting the crown: (protected as a Trademark) Brushed steel.
Dial: Black with luminous Arabic numerals and hour markers.
Crystal: Plexiglas®, 3 mm thick.
Water-resistance: 10 bar (~100 metres).
Strap: PANERAI personalised leather strap and large-size brushed steel buckle. Supplied with a
second interchangeable strap and a steel screwdriver.
Reference: PAM00422.

Ah ic,no wonder couldn't find much info on it.
The watch is nice but unfortunately the size too big

I agree is hard to keep with the models. Just too much to follow,perhaps just get the historic models

[gloomis]

pam 372 is very nice and with the latest inhouse calibre but too bad it just too big. and the price is scary as well.

[pexus]

how much and long are they going to milk this? seriously i am really wishing all watch co execs would board an old russian junk and crash to a fiery death in some far flung desert. 

old russian plane, crashing...sounds like a scene from 2012..
amateur question here...the Pam Logo 0000 is considered a historic model?

[hanz079]

What do I think?
Yes... PAMs are milking it for whatever it's worth... but as long as the demand is there, they can do whatever they please right?
I guess I am not alone when PAM release new models, they look the same to my untrained eye 
That was what Rolex was to me a couple of years back, and now I am beginning to understand and appreciate.
Will I learn to understand and appreciate PAMs? I have no idea... only time will tell...

[takashi78]

Well at least the AP ROO changes colors in their LE.

For PAM, to me 90% look the same and i cant tell which from which.
To me all the seem to do is move the words "Panerai, Luminor, Marina" up and down the dial, put a different engraving at the back and call it a day.

Having said that, i would still love a 1950 and a Radiomir case PAM and call it a day.

I think the same argument can be said for Rolex and their designs though, but lets not go there.

[G.MAC]

heard of the PAM0422 but had no luck finding pictures of it. The only way you'd be able to keep up is by swapping old models for the new ones. The prices of PAM nowadays are scary hence i go back looking for the older models. Although i got to say both new models looks sweet..

[hanz079]

Well at least the AP ROO changes colors in their LE.

For PAM, to me 90% look the same and i cant tell which from which.
To me all the seem to do is move the words "Panerai, Luminor, Marina" up and down the dial, put a different engraving at the back and call it a day.

Having said that, i would still love a 1950 and a Radiomir case PAM and call it a day.

I think the same argument can be said for Rolex and their designs though, but lets not go there.

Exactly what I was trying to say...

And yes... let's not go there... 

[TheHobbit]

amateur question here...the Pam Logo 0000 is considered a historic model?

pexus,

Here is something to read and why the watch is so popular.

http://www.paneristi.com/archives/PreA_Panerai/Pre_A_Panerai.html

Mods, please delete if not appropriate.

[TheHobbit]

Well at least the AP ROO changes colors in their LE.

For PAM, to me 90% look the same and i cant tell which from which.
To me all the seem to do is move the words "Panerai, Luminor, Marina" up and down the dial, put a different engraving at the back and call it a day.

Having said that, i would still love a 1950 and a Radiomir case PAM and call it a day.

I think the same argument can be said for Rolex and their designs though, but lets not go there.

Yeah perhaps it is time for me to call it a day as well. But the call of PAM00390, PAM00219 and PAM00210 is strong...... 

[mnazri.tan]

still love panerai, but as what being said...it become too many of it with similar face....kindda remind me of the old proton days....Satria, Wira, Wira Aeroback, Arena, all come with same face...boring lor....but of course, it is wrong to compare proton and panerai...just stating that very little similarities....hahahahha

[dsiewmy]

there seems to be a love/hate with panerai new models lately, what with A LOT OF new special editions.
i do agree that the sudden influx of so many SE makes it not so special anymore.

but hey, the real love of pams are still with the historic and simple base models, not with the contemporary ones.

as for PAM422, do you really like the marina more than the 372? i'd pass becos of the complexity of the dial wat with additional second and the word MARINA.

as for the other piece, well, that's just a micro SE, so nothing to talk about. it will always happen, and nobody would be able to get one anyway. just like the PAM294. but luckily, this piece not so pretty.

[Scott C.]

Personally, i don't collect panerai anymore (i used to have few high end model and a lot straps) as i don't like how they keep coming up the so call "limited" edition and yet all looks the same...

also, don't like how they keep coming new model and "imitate" the vintage look...

Just my very personal opinion~!

[TheHobbit]

but hey, the real love of pams are still with the historic and simple base models, not with the contemporary ones.

as for PAM422, do you really like the marina more than the 372? i'd pass becos of the complexity of the dial wat with additional second and the word MARINA.

dsiewmy,

Agree with you 100%. Have always been historic guy and will always be. Although getting a PAM00390 would be nice as well (more reasonable alternate to the PAM00372).

Scott C,

Agree with you as well. Perhaps it is time to call it a day.

[dsiewmy]

well the panerais really all look the same if u r NOT a pam fan. only after u collect, u see the differences and u will start noticing them alot.
as collectors, don't u think we all notice the small little things, and becos of the obsession we chase after these little perfections.

for ex: i don't like the word marina on my watch, i don't like the hobnail dial, i don't like my dial without a logo. etc. etc. etc.
becos of all this small little things, then u focus to find ur perfect pam.

i.e. i like the word LUMINOR PANERAI together at the top. (this cuts out all the current historic models 000,005, etc etc etc).

but i don't like that there's no OP logo at the bottom to balance out. (this cuts out EVEN MORE models)

so this basically squeezes my choice to 360, 5218/201A, and maybe a 390 if i can accept without OP logo.

it's becos of so many models, which is why we are given choice to select.
recently, panerai even came out with dials with submarines (PIGS), which was never out before except for the 292J. do u see this as "look the same"? for us, it's a world of difference, since we cannot find this submarine on other pams esp luminor 44mm.


as for so many new SEs and LEs coming out, you don't have to buy all of them. just buy what u want/like, what u want in a pam can be really chosen just based on a few things:
example : luminor 44mm
(1) polished/brushed case
(2) auto/winding
(3) date/without
(4) base/with subseconds
(5) any other special functions GMT, PR, chrono
(6) black clean dial/tobacco/hobnail
(7) sandwich/painted fonts
( new addition would be : color of fonts? (green L or faux patina ?)

[hanz079]

well the panerais really all look the same if u r NOT a pam fan. only after u collect, u see the differences and u will start noticing them alot.
as collectors, don't u think we all notice the small little things, and becos of the obsession we chase after these little perfections.

for ex: i don't like the word marina on my watch, i don't like the hobnail dial, i don't like my dial without a logo. etc. etc. etc.
becos of all this small little things, then u focus to find ur perfect pam.

i.e. i like the word LUMINOR PANERAI together at the top. (this cuts out all the current historic models 000,005, etc etc etc).

but i don't like that there's no OP logo at the bottom to balance out. (this cuts out EVEN MORE models)

so this basically squeezes my choice to 360, 5218/201A, and maybe a 390 if i can accept without OP logo.

it's becos of so many models, which is why we are given choice to select.
recently, panerai even came out with dials with submarines (PIGS), which was never out before except for the 292J. do u see this as "look the same"? for us, it's a world of difference, since we cannot find this submarine on other pams esp luminor 44mm.


as for so many new SEs and LEs coming out, you don't have to buy all of them. just buy what u want/like, what u want in a pam can be really chosen just based on a few things:
example : luminor 44mm
(1) polished/brushed case
(2) auto/winding
(3) date/without
(4) base/with subseconds
(5) any other special functions GMT, PR, chrono
(6) black clean dial/tobacco/hobnail
(7) sandwich/painted fonts
( new addition would be : color of fonts? (green L or faux patina ?)

Yeah, I agree with the bold part... I am starting this road with Rolex watches.
I tend to check for little things and wish why not like this or like that...
To anyone that's not into Rolex, they all look the same... lol

And by the way... what is clean dial, tobacco dial (I assume this is the brownish dial) and Hobnail?

[G.MAC]

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the sub-second necessary for it to achieve COSC? As far as I know those without the subsecond like 000,112,210 etc... are not COSC rated.

[Gigi]

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the sub-second necessary for it to achieve COSC? As far as I know those without the subsecond like 000,112,210 etc... are not COSC rated.

Yup you are very correct about this