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Title: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: weibbb12 on February 15, 2017, 02:20:30 PM
Hi all,

I'm thinking to get my first luxury Swiss watch and I'm obsessed with Bell & Ross BR S Golden Heritage series. Just wondering is Bell & Ross a wise choice to start off with? Would appreciate if you guys can advice on this. Thanks

Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: gunsnroses on February 15, 2017, 03:17:25 PM
Short answer. No. There are much better pieces with much better history and movement that you can get for 15k.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Cocas on February 15, 2017, 03:20:28 PM
Hi all,

I'm thinking to get my first luxury Swiss watch and I'm obsessed with Bell & Ross BR S Golden Heritage series. Just wondering is Bell & Ross a wise choice to start off with? Would appreciate if you guys can advice on this. Thanks

I will not consider B&R at all. Just my personal preference. No offense.
Title: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: ck77 on February 15, 2017, 03:39:54 PM
Tudor will be perfect fit on the price range.
But well buy what you like.


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: AbbasHabshee on February 15, 2017, 03:44:46 PM
Tudor will be perfect fit on the price range.
But well buy what you like.


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Hands down, couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: D'Andy on February 15, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
I think the Heritage series looked pretty good. And BR has good discounts, even for walk-ins, so you don't have to be on good terms with ADs only to get the preferential discounts. If you like it, go ahead and pull the trigger. I used to have a BR01 RDM, and it has quite good wrist presence. But for the RM15k that you have, you may want to try on some Tudor heritage pieces for a second opinion. Used to have a couple of such pieces, and you do get a lot of watch for the monies paid.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: roystock on February 15, 2017, 04:36:55 PM
+/- RM15k is a lot of money.
Do take your time to read and try their watches before committing to one.
After your research, if you still like B&R, perhaps you should redo your research
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: stone_gossard on February 15, 2017, 06:11:47 PM
i think omega is good or even panerai preloved one. buy a serious watch with that kind of amount of money
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on February 15, 2017, 08:03:08 PM
Just buy what u like...watch is something u will face everyday more than a wife... I have a bell & ross br123 officer silver too... is a good watch for me :laugh:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: danslater on February 15, 2017, 09:26:21 PM
Just buy what u like...watch is something u will face everyday more than a wife... I have a bell & ross br123 officer silver too... is a good watch for me :laugh:

If you're planning to buying brand new, B&R to me is one of the best watch to buy around 10k

In terms of its design, style and dial, there is just not many that can beat that for the price range

I've a BR126 officer and its one fine good looking watch.. the vintage range is just so clean, legible and beautiful

On a branding standpoint, perhaps it shouldn't, but it gets way more compliments than my other watches that cost much more. Having said that, if it were me, I would buy the watch that speaks to you the most.



Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: kygan711 on February 15, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
B & R design have got some similarity with Panerai.
For the 15K you could look at pam000, 112,111,210,380 for preown.
Strap options will be more for Panerai watches though if you are into straps collection later.
Try them out if you got the chance usually it makes a difference when you have it on your wrist.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: yehlai on February 15, 2017, 10:56:52 PM
For the price range I choose Longines over BR
Title: buy what you like but shop around for a good price.
Post by: Kesharoo on February 16, 2017, 07:43:25 AM
its a buyers' market now, you may want to see if you can pick up a used B&R if you are worried about losing too much. I like B&R and think they serve a market niche well. Good luck with your decision.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: weibbb12 on February 16, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Thank you so much everyone for the kind advice. I'm really new to luxury watches. I'll look into other brands and study more before getting one  :)
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: weibbb12 on February 16, 2017, 08:05:27 AM
B & R design have got some similarity with Panerai.
For the 15K you could look at pam000, 112,111,210,380 for preown.
Strap options will be more for Panerai watches though if you are into straps collection later.
Try them out if you got the chance usually it makes a difference when you have it on your wrist.

Panerai is indeed a good choice but I have smaller wrist so the watch might not look so good on me. Anyway, appreciate your suggestions  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: weibbb12 on February 16, 2017, 09:18:59 AM
Hi all,

I'm thinking to get my first luxury Swiss watch and I'm obsessed with Bell & Ross BR S Golden Heritage series. Just wondering is Bell & Ross a wise choice to start off with? Would appreciate if you guys can advice on this. Thanks

I will not consider B&R at all. Just my personal preference. No offense.

No worries. Appreciate that buddy
Title: Re: buy what you like but shop around for a good price.
Post by: weibbb12 on February 16, 2017, 09:20:45 AM
its a buyers' market now, you may want to see if you can pick up a used B&R if you are worried about losing too much. I like B&R and think they serve a market niche well. Good luck with your decision.

Hey Kesharoo, any recommendation where should I look for used B&R?
Title: Re: buy what you like but shop around for a good price.
Post by: ck77 on February 16, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
its a buyers' market now, you may want to see if you can pick up a used B&R if you are worried about losing too much. I like B&R and think they serve a market niche well. Good luck with your decision.

Hey Kesharoo, any recommendation where should I look for used B&R?
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17852.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17812.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17977.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=18012.0
Title: Re: buy what you like but shop around for a good price.
Post by: weibbb12 on February 16, 2017, 09:28:00 AM
its a buyers' market now, you may want to see if you can pick up a used B&R if you are worried about losing too much. I like B&R and think they serve a market niche well. Good luck with your decision.

Hey Kesharoo, any recommendation where should I look for used B&R?
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17852.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17812.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17977.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=18012.0

Thanks CK for the reference
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: lisa hasan on February 16, 2017, 10:43:32 AM
i owned BRS Golden Heritage as my first BR watch.
it depends on your preferences. if you really like the watch (adore the watch and brand), then go ahead.
i really like the watch from first day i saw. the exact price is 12,600 MYR.
Title: Re: buy what you like but shop around for a good price.
Post by: Kesharoo on February 16, 2017, 10:54:04 AM
its a buyers' market now, you may want to see if you can pick up a used B&R if you are worried about losing too much. I like B&R and think they serve a market niche well. Good luck with your decision.

Hey Kesharoo, any recommendation where should I look for used B&R?
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17852.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17812.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=17977.0
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=18012.0

Yep, this place right here is a good place to start but you can find the usual second hand dealers in KL/PJ to find used B&R.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: weibbb12 on February 16, 2017, 11:41:58 AM
i owned BRS Golden Heritage as my first BR watch.
it depends on your preferences. if you really like the watch (adore the watch and brand), then go ahead.
i really like the watch from first day i saw. the exact price is 12,600 MYR.

Wow... It's really nice that you have one. I like square watch as compare to the round one. Will check it out at BR boutique. T
Thanks for your advice  ;)
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: rnsm1979 on February 16, 2017, 01:41:00 PM
 If u could find a pre own piece, u probably has enough fund for another piece with ur budget
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chfoong on February 17, 2017, 07:08:39 AM
It's one of the watch designs that I can never understand. Can never take the watch seriously by their square case, like a piece of toast strapped on wrist. Of course, this is based on my shallow chronograph knowledge.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: ML on February 17, 2017, 09:08:24 AM
See what types of watches you prefer

For me I'll choose Tudor ,Because now Tudor develop their own movement.And you can get a very nice Tudor model below 15k.

Where Bell&Ross model are very basic one within 15k range.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on February 17, 2017, 12:08:46 PM
Based on your topic below 15k for bell & Ross sure is really a good choice. bell & ross brand standing level is very popular and luxury. But below 15k of course also have other choice. But If u like Bell & ross just go get it. :Cheers:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on February 17, 2017, 01:19:42 PM
Follow your heart

Buy a watch that you would love to wear on your wrist
Not other ppl wrist

Watch is more than just history and movement

Many brand with history already collapsed
Many brand with own movement also collapsed

Below rm15k is definitely bell & ross range...

BR golden heritage is also its very original series of design

BR set many trend on design
Even bigger brand with much longer history copying BR design or idea all the time

So I will say

If u like it... buy!!!


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: danslater on February 17, 2017, 02:14:27 PM
Could not agree more. Buy what wears nice on your wrist..

On a separate point which should be of no significance, I have a 27 y/o cousin who tells me that ladies dig his Bell & Ross  ;D

Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: lisa hasan on February 17, 2017, 02:14:28 PM
Follow your heart

Buy a watch that you would love to wear on your wrist
Not other ppl wrist

Watch is more than just history and movement

Many brand with history already collapsed
Many brand with own movement also collapsed

Below rm15k is definitely bell & ross range...

BR golden heritage is also its very original series of design

BR set many trend on design
Even bigger brand with much longer history copying BR design or idea all the time

So I will say

If u like it... buy!!!


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Agree


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on February 18, 2017, 01:42:21 PM
Follow your heart


Buy a watch that you would love to wear on your wrist
Not other ppl wrist

Watch is more than just history and movement

Many brand with history already collapsed
Many brand with own movement also collapsed

Below rm15k is definitely bell & ross range...

BR golden heritage is also its very original series of design

BR set many trend on design
Even bigger brand with much longer history copying BR design or idea all the time

So I will say

If u like it... buy!!!


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Agreed Chris +1 Bell and Ross is a really really well develop watch company with their own way with short history, some brand with long long history but branding also not good as bell and Ross.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: saprozeldo on February 18, 2017, 02:10:14 PM
One of my first few watches was a Bell&Ross.. didnt know better then.. so heart says then i loved it.. so typically ignorance is bliss.. no one taught me that its very likely i wont hold on to the B&R when my economy improves & will flip it..  no one taught me that PVD is the worst case material to take care of & there's no such thing as 'polishing' PVD.. & no one taught me that B&R secondary market value is more akin to Volvo than that to Honda..

Btw, pls check the balance of a B&R on your wrist. It didnt sit nicely on my wrist and kept falling to the sides. Since i have just used my early days budget on it, just kinda accepted & had to just live with it.

So just sharing my experience. Would i buy a B&R as my first watch now? Regardless how i liked it back then, on the benefit of hindsight and over 15k poorer, i'd say NO.

What i would have gone for?
1. Definitely not new. Go for pre-owned
2. Something thats easier to flip and maybe lose less than 40% of what i bought it for
3. Definitely non-PVD material

Good luck

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: fuzzy on February 18, 2017, 04:12:31 PM
Is it worth the price? No, because RV is very poor.

But should you get it? Yes absolutely if you love it. Don't use RV or what others think as the barometer of how good or worthy a watch is.

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: KennyH on February 18, 2017, 07:06:34 PM
If thinking of RV, one may definitely feel very difficult in pulling trigger. Just do it.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on February 18, 2017, 09:42:39 PM
Actually not that true though

The RV for BR03 are quite good
Unless u r buying at full retail price

N it's sell pretty fast now in pre owned market
Certainly sell faster than most Pam models now

Every brand hv some model resale better than other

I personally sold many Br03 & Br01 and Brv123
I m pretty sure it sell better than many brand at this price range

If all think of RV before buying
That's like thinking divorce before marry

Y not just buy Rolex submariner




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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: kygan711 on February 19, 2017, 06:10:50 AM
So say you buy Bell n Ross. Go scout around compared new vs pre own.
For me, somehow I think pre own will be my choice as I have seen the 12-15K watches selling for 7-9k pre own after 1 year.
If price of new vs preown small gap then go new instead.
Buying pre own will be better if you choose to sell this watch and get another. You will never know our taste change overtime and this happens to a lot a lot of people. We think one watch for life now when we buy but it rarely happens. There is always something nicer, better all the time coming out.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: saprozeldo on February 19, 2017, 06:27:10 AM
Actually not that true though

The RV for BR03 are quite good
Unless u r buying at full retail price

N it's sell pretty fast now in pre owned market
Certainly sell faster than most Pam models now

Every brand hv some model resale better than other

I personally sold many Br03 & Br01 and Brv123
I m pretty sure it sell better than many brand at this price range

If all think of RV before buying
That's like thinking divorce before marry

Y not just buy Rolex submariner




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yeah i bought new for full retail price back then before i met MWF   so shud go pre-owned.. & yeah, most RV of pre-owned watches is not bad.. in my case, max was 20%ish less after a year of use, can put it down to rental cost i suppose

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: asimo on February 19, 2017, 06:29:43 AM
the BR Skull is nice
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: mikelcch on February 19, 2017, 10:37:09 AM
One of my first few watches was a Bell&Ross.. didnt know better then.. so heart says then i loved it.. so typically ignorance is bliss.. no one taught me that its very likely i wont hold on to the B&R when my economy improves & will flip it..  no one taught me that PVD is the worst case material to take care of & there's no such thing as 'polishing' PVD.. & no one taught me that B&R secondary market value is more akin to Volvo than that to Honda..

Btw, pls check the balance of a B&R on your wrist. It didnt sit nicely on my wrist and kept falling to the sides. Since i have just used my early days budget on it, just kinda accepted & had to just live with it.

So just sharing my experience. Would i buy a B&R as my first watch now? Regardless how i liked it back then, on the benefit of hindsight and over 15k poorer, i'd say NO.

What i would have gone for?
1. Definitely not new. Go for pre-owned
2. Something thats easier to flip and maybe lose less than 40% of what i bought it for
3. Definitely non-PVD material

Good luck

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Great advice.

But in the end buy whatever tickles your fancy. If you feel a B&R can give you yours money's worth then by all means. For me at 15k, I would look at Tudor Pelagos, the Blue in particular. A beautiful piece.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on February 19, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
Nothing to do with BR

99% of the watch
U walk or from shop buying brand new

The value drop straight
U buy a Rolex datejust n c
Or buy a Patek Phillipe catralava n see

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on February 19, 2017, 11:46:45 AM
So if u think of resale
No considering
Perfect condition
Full warranty from manufacturer
Fullset with ur name
Customer service
No risk of fraud n cheap

Then by all means
Buy pre owned !


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: KennyH on February 19, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
For me, if just think of having one of it, pre-owned will do since my desire of having other will keep coming. So the one with me now may not be forever.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: saprozeldo on February 19, 2017, 01:56:51 PM
For me, if just think of having one of it, pre-owned will do since my desire of having other will keep coming. So the one with me now may not be forever.
Exactly.. As someone new at developing an interest in watches, its most likely we dont know what we really like.. and we'll keep having a desire for something else.. its a journey until that moment when we really know for sure..

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: danslater on February 20, 2017, 06:53:38 AM
Actually not that true though

The RV for BR03 are quite good
Unless u r buying at full retail price

N it's sell pretty fast now in pre owned market
Certainly sell faster than most Pam models now

Every brand hv some model resale better than other

I personally sold many Br03 & Br01 and Brv123
I m pretty sure it sell better than many brand at this price range

If all think of RV before buying
That's like thinking divorce before marry

Y not just buy Rolex submariner




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Yea, this is what a friend of mine did back just 3 years ago..

Buy 2 submariner. 1 with date and 1 with no-date.

Put the no-date in his drawer and kept it as a NOS. Wear the date sub.

Now the NOS one already appreciate by close to 40%

and the date - its well worn but I'm sure the value will hold  ;D

Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Timeless on February 20, 2017, 01:35:54 PM
BR is a good choice start with. ML, Tudor, IWC etc. could consider in this budget too if falls inder your preference.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: altee on February 20, 2017, 02:10:31 PM
Is it worth the price? No, because RV is very poor.

But should you get it? Yes absolutely if you love it. Don't use RV or what others think as the barometer of how good or worthy a watch is.

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Truth. Choose something that evokes an emotion in you - not because the movement is technically superior, or the case material durable, or whatever else. At the end of the day, it is whether you love wearing it and how you feel looking at it.

As many have noted, you get a lot for your money with a Tudor. But if you don't love looking at it, why bother? So maybe take some time, and consider your options, before settling on one that in your opinion, meets your gives you the best balance of design language, quality, technical (movement / case material), value, and also market perception. Also, who you want compliments from - the general public (choose a B&R), or a watchnut? (choose a Tudor).

Good luck.

Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on February 20, 2017, 08:38:25 PM
Actually not that true though

The RV for BR03 are quite good
Unless u r buying at full retail price

N it's sell pretty fast now in pre owned market
Certainly sell faster than most Pam models now

Every brand hv some model resale better than other

I personally sold many Br03 & Br01 and Brv123
I m pretty sure it sell better than many brand at this price range

If all think of RV before buying
That's like thinking divorce before marry

Y not just buy Rolex submariner




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Yea, this is what a friend of mine did back just 3 years ago..

Buy 2 submariner. 1 with date and 1 with no-date.

Put the no-date in his drawer and kept it as a NOS. Wear the date sub.

Now the NOS one already appreciate by close to 40%

and the date - its well worn but I'm sure the value will hold  ;D

If u buy a watch
Not for wearing
Just keep in the safe

Then that's an investment
40% due to ringgit fell also
Buy property mayb u make more
In terms of roi

Topic is 15k watch range
BR03-92 is around this
After discount is actually ard rm11-13k with steel - ceramic case





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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on February 21, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
Actually not that true though

The RV for BR03 are quite good
Unless u r buying at full retail price

N it's sell pretty fast now in pre owned market
Certainly sell faster than most Pam models now

Every brand hv some model resale better than other

I personally sold many Br03 & Br01 and Brv123
I m pretty sure it sell better than many brand at this price range

If all think of RV before buying
That's like thinking divorce before marry

Y not just buy Rolex submariner




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Yea, this is what a friend of mine did back just 3 years ago..

Buy 2 submariner. 1 with date and 1 with no-date.

Put the no-date in his drawer and kept it as a NOS. Wear the date sub.

Now the NOS one already appreciate by close to 40%

and the date - its well worn but I'm sure the value will hold  ;D

If u buy a watch
Not for wearing
Just keep in the safe

Then that's an investment
40% due to ringgit fell also
Buy property mayb u make more
In terms of roi

Topic is 15k watch range
BR03-92 is around this
After discount is actually ard rm11-13k with steel - ceramic case





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Chris here's another Bell & Ross  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chfoong on February 21, 2017, 09:35:59 PM

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Chris here's another Bell & Ross  :thumbsup:

Not a typical B&R that i usually see, this looks awesome!
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on February 21, 2017, 11:39:06 PM

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Chris here's another Bell & Ross  :thumbsup:

Not a typical B&R that i usually see, this looks awesome!

Chfoong thanks hehe, the Uncommon one , that's why I love it  :thumbsup: , for me bell & ross is a good watch , this one is 40Hours power reserved high precision ETA 2895-2 with 4 adjusted position.  :D
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: KennyH on February 22, 2017, 07:47:11 AM




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Chris here's another Bell & Ross  :thumbsup:
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This BR is really nice. What price range is it around?
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on February 22, 2017, 08:00:49 AM




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Chris here's another Bell & Ross  :thumbsup:

This BR is really nice. What price range is it around?
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Retail at AD around 10-12K for now if price have increase Lah...try check out details with Chris.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: nightwatchman on February 23, 2017, 06:20:57 AM
15k for an ETA movement?
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Jedirat on February 23, 2017, 06:39:18 AM
There are many other factors to be considered and not just the movement. For instance, IWC Mark XVII and XVIII also ETA movements but their price are more than RM10k...just my 2 cent..
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: KennyH on February 23, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Anything wrong with ETA? And, the value of the timepiece is subjective.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on February 23, 2017, 08:19:06 AM
Ya...many other watch more than 15k also using ETA till now, nothing wrong with it. In house or ETA also have pro and cons itself. Sometimes people don't like eta but we can't deny ETA is providing reliable and hassle free maintain movement even watchmaker also said that. Somemore eta have different into many category like standard, elabore, cosc, top grade bla blah blah... don't look down on eta, many top brand using eta base modified and come out with many type of complication.  :thumbsup:
Other than ETA 2824 bit dislike  ;D the rest of ETA or InHouse all I love, nothing wrong with it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on February 23, 2017, 08:28:55 AM
There are many other factors to be considered and not just the movement. For instance, IWC Mark XVII and XVIII also ETA movements but their price are more than RM10k...just my 2 cent..

Agree
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chfoong on February 23, 2017, 01:34:48 PM
Anything wrong with ETA? And, the value of the timepiece is subjective.

same argument goes for handmade/machine made items
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: jmur3 on February 23, 2017, 02:56:39 PM
How about IWC pilot mark XVII?
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: artyca on February 23, 2017, 04:36:52 PM
Buy what moves your heart. Not what other people like!
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: danslater on February 27, 2017, 06:50:58 PM
How about IWC pilot mark XVII?

For IWC purist, of all the Mark series the XVII with the triple date window is the one to avoid and for very good reason. 
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: matthiaswatch on April 02, 2017, 10:32:29 PM
not worth to buy bell & ross at all
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: blackatana on April 02, 2017, 11:09:58 PM
as long as u like it then go for it...
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: gchee on April 03, 2017, 06:53:53 AM
Please stay away from B&R unless you intend to wear it forever. Its tough to sell when you wanna upgrade. Be ready to take a 50% hit off what you paid for next time.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on April 16, 2017, 04:23:48 PM
Please stay away from B&R unless you intend to wear it forever. Its tough to sell when you wanna upgrade. Be ready to take a 50% hit off what you paid for next time.

The br0392
It's very very fast trade at all second hand shop actually

No joke n resale value is quite good
Even u buy new at good discount
I doubt u will loose 50%




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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: lowcheetoong on April 23, 2017, 08:32:26 PM
I don't generally agree to buy this watch as I always have the impression that this brand in more towards designer brand
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on April 28, 2017, 06:00:59 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170427/3ef07a30d4c4e7dea815969464822399.jpg)

BR redesigned the vintage series
Third generation

Certainly eye candy
Looks good with this aeronavale edition

Yes, BR is is cool
BR is a Swiss made watch with fantastic design

Which watch not selling their design ?



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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: stnet on April 28, 2017, 06:56:23 AM
Rolex? PP? I think their design didn't change much over the years.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on April 28, 2017, 07:20:57 AM
Rolex? PP? I think their design didn't change much over the years.

They changed bro ...
U didn't follow closely

This yr Basel Rolex discon all the 26mm ladies dj
They discon the 40mm SD
They discon the dj2

They redesign the air king last yr
They redesign the datejust 41

They redesign the Daytona steel last yr
They introduced more rubber strap Daytona this yr
Last time Rolex like others all strap
Then almost all bracelet
Then introduce strap for the dressy gold cases watch
Now they too introduce rubber strap for sporty watches started with Yatchmaster rose 2 yrs ago

Look at first gen of milgauss and current milgauss.

Look at Cellini design ... from round to rectangle to round with double bezel ...




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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on April 28, 2017, 05:39:03 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/5bc5166dbcaf9bd4398d04c5fb21c2a0.jpg)

Always love BR crown


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: gchee on April 28, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Some people like Rolex, some just prefers B&R. The end...

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: seale_navy on May 03, 2017, 04:57:04 PM
 for 15k i wouldnt buy a bell & ross as well.

for that 15k if i top up a bit more I can get myself a grand seiko or an omega. Bell & Ross dont hold a good resale value better.

If I wanna go for a bell & ross i would rather go for a Bremont.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on May 06, 2017, 09:11:26 AM
Bell & Ross is growing super fast last few years

In fact it's best selling watches are below rm15k

BR03-92 is their best selling product
It's retail ard 15k 16k
On steel or Matt black ceramic case

The nett discounted price are ard 11-13k

It's still a very good very for ceramic case Swiss made watches

The pre owned value holding well so far




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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on May 06, 2017, 09:12:33 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170506/f22ff51e6e5e88ee2de0de7ea8519bd9.jpg)
Pic borrowed from sjx

These 2 and the divers are best seller in Baselworld 2017


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on May 06, 2017, 09:28:06 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170506/bb2fe546824a70235c3e9caefe2992d0.jpg)

Plus this

The top 3 best seller for entire bell & ross range of watches

All these 3 are nett below rm15k

Personally I don't hv any of all these best seller BR
Only once I had the BR0392 heritage
With Matt black ceramic case

I got it at huge discount
And sold it after few mths at no loss
Watch only worn couple of times on another strap so sell easily as complete like new condition


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: gchee on May 06, 2017, 09:35:48 AM
Looks like they got inspiration from Sinn.

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on May 06, 2017, 06:07:40 PM
Looks like they got inspiration from Sinn.

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They not getting inspiration from sinn
BR started from sinn

The brand earlier watches were made by sinn
Helmut sinn are not just their mentor but also making watches straight for them to market it

And the Bauhaus design of above holograph
Is more towards Porsche IWC era
If u remember the ocean 2000

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170506/7259e22d81c790ad73fe873922c44a7b.jpg)


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: gchee on May 06, 2017, 09:03:56 PM
Ah, that explains it.

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: lisa hasan on May 07, 2017, 07:55:46 AM
Chris explained completely.. all hail chris !



Collection:
BR S Golden Heritage
BR S Desert Type
BR S Grey Camouflage
Oris Aquis Date
Tissot T-Race
Laco1925 Osaka
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Vykraine on May 08, 2017, 09:12:38 AM
For below 15k. You can actually consider Tudor as well.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: kukujiao on May 11, 2017, 02:07:26 PM
RM15k better get a Black Bay or Pelagos

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Gilthoniel on May 12, 2017, 02:34:59 AM
Why need 15k?

There are some nice preowned CERAMIC ones in the classified section going for 8-9k only ma.

 ;D ::)

Anyway BR watches with the square design is really popular amongst Malaysians. Many of my non WIS friends are also very taken by the design. Yes it's 'only' an ETA and some of your wis friends will label it a fashion watch but it is a really really well made watch.

Worth buying pre own tbh
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: lisa hasan on May 12, 2017, 02:22:36 PM
Why need 15k?

There are some nice preowned CERAMIC ones in the classified section going for 8-9k only ma.

 ;D ::)

Anyway BR watches with the square design is really popular amongst Malaysians. Many of my non WIS friends are also very taken by the design. Yes it's 'only' an ETA and some of your wis friends will label it a fashion watch but it is a really really well made watch.

Worth buying pre own tbh

What is wis ?



Collection:
BR S Golden Heritage
BR S Desert Type
BR S Grey Camouflage
Oris Aquis Date
Tissot T-Race
Laco1925 Osaka
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Gilthoniel on May 12, 2017, 02:31:22 PM
Why need 15k?

There are some nice preowned CERAMIC ones in the classified section going for 8-9k only ma.

 ;D ::)

Anyway BR watches with the square design is really popular amongst Malaysians. Many of my non WIS friends are also very taken by the design. Yes it's 'only' an ETA and some of your wis friends will label it a fashion watch but it is a really really well made watch.

Worth buying pre own tbh

What is wis ?



Collection:
BR S Golden Heritage
BR S Desert Type
BR S Grey Camouflage
Oris Aquis Date
Tissot T-Race
Laco1925 Osaka

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Someone who can spot a tudor from an omega or a rolex from a mile away.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/wis-622111.html#/topics/622111?page=1


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: dexson on May 12, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
In my personal opinion I think the BR is an attractive watch. Mostly being its unique &  different. Maybe plus some modern feeling to it.

But I personally wont purchase it as people around me gives very negative comments on it. I know many said we should go for something we like & adore, but this has been bugging me to the extend that I feel i'm a dumb buying it.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: chrisyen on May 12, 2017, 04:58:37 PM
No such thing as dumb for buying a watch u like, u wear it, Not others!

It's dumb to buy something ppl like than buy something urself like



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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Gilthoniel on May 12, 2017, 04:59:24 PM
In my personal opinion I think the BR is an attractive watch. Mostly being its unique &  different. Maybe plus some modern feeling to it.

But I personally wont purchase it as people around me gives very negative comments on it. I know many said we should go for something we like & adore, but this has been bugging me to the extend that I feel i'm a dumb buying it.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Yes you should always buy what you like and not what others like. After all its your money and not other's


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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on May 13, 2017, 05:10:26 PM
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x421/olkuu0205/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG20170513160350_zpsue6jgqm6.jpg) (http://s1181.photobucket.com/user/olkuu0205/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG20170513160350_zpsue6jgqm6.jpg.html)

Bump with one green hulk here.. (not Rolex hulk) Paiseh haha..  :laugh:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: rmunawar9 on June 03, 2017, 01:54:30 PM
I'm new to luxury watches and have been looking at various brands. However i think it's all about personal taste.
I bought a B&R and love every bit. First I was not even bothered to look at this watch but one day just walked into a boutique and tried for fun and Franky after that all I wanted was to buy this watch.
It's unique and lively design

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Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: ndtaan on June 03, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
No such thing as dumb for buying a watch u like, u wear it, Not others!

It's dumb to buy something ppl like than buy something urself like



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Hitting the nail right in it's head :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Olkuu0205 on June 03, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
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Hail Hydra!  :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: lshinxl on June 06, 2017, 09:29:03 AM
I started my watch collecting with the stainless steel BR01-92. Never regretted. But choose a watch not because of brand solely. Choose because you love the design, you love the feel of it. Ultimately, you are wearing it, not anyone else.

Personally, I think the value of B&R is decent (as objective as I am trying to be). One of the best square watches out there in terms of design and finishing. And you can see the gradual growth of the brand through the "hits and misses" through the years. With recent models like the AeroGT, BRX1, BR03 Diver etc. Sorry fan boy moment. haha but really, choose based on what you feel the best with rather than what someone else thinks of it.
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: Ray55 on June 26, 2017, 04:25:53 PM
Bell & Ross have it's own creative design but for RM15k, but with this amount of money I'll bang it for other brand such as Omega or preowned rollee(depend on deal sometime lucky)  :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: lactose_operon on July 06, 2017, 06:33:39 PM
im also considering of getting a B&R. i guess the best bet is to get a pre-owned unit as a starter :)
Title: Re: Is Bell & Ross a good choice for first luxury watch under RM15k?
Post by: berdsc on July 09, 2017, 11:12:19 AM
Sorry never a B&R for the first watch, no offense.
MYR15k you could have a lot of choices such as Omega, TAG, and Panerai