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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: soonaikz on August 04, 2013, 04:25:25 PM
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Hei, that a Panerai.......; A friend with managerial level owned a Panerai.....;
It time to get a better watches......... Since my work position require so.......
Many may not agree with me, but I believe car & watches.... is a tools to bring your business to next level........
Panerai, Rolex & Grand Seiko....... come into my mind.........
Do my little home work.............;
Panerai............ 1st Out of Picture....... becoz I don't see the good side of it beside than oversize and special guard crown....., yes true enough people notice that a Panerai from special guard crown... resales value???? Sorry Panerai Fan.......
Rolex Vs Grand Seiko;
Rolex Pro - reputable brand, better resale value, I think the only watch that any of their series can resale for at least 50% of your buying price
Rolex Con - Hei your Rolex fake?.......Nowaday robotic assembly.......
Grand Seiko Pro - Hand made and very well finish product; Spring Drive movement superb smooth (I never seen any watches movement better than this), no fake.......
Grand Seiko Con - Are you crazy? you buy a seiko for 20K?; No resale value..........
What about you?
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Do my little home work.............;
Panerai............ 1st Out of Picture....... becoz I don't see the good side of it beside than oversize and special guard crown....., yes true enough people notice that a Panerai from special guard crown... resales value???? Sorry Panerai Fan.......
You have done your home work well.
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So what your choice?
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So what your choice?
I tend to believe that one will not be able to enjoy this hobby if he is too concerned about resale value. Anyway, here's my take on your choices:
Rolex - reliable watches, but a little conservative and boring. If your job requires lots of creativity and high risk taking, your boss may come to the opinion (whether rightly or wrongly) that you do not have that special trait to fly high.
Grand Seiko - reliable watches, top notch finishing comparable to the Swiss JLC, superb technology yet low profile (many non-WIS are not aware of GS). But your boss (like you) may be someone who thinks a lot about resale value and seeing your Grand Seiko he will suspect he has been paying you far too much to the extent you become reckless and irresponsible (both in his opinion only) with your finances and decides not to give you a bonus or increment.
And to answer your question.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctj-RDbTBMU
I have been labelled an Omega convert 3 times over the last 3 days.
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Boss Issue Not and Issue.... Sorry to said becoz I am Boss myself in my small company......;
Yes at the moment resales value is a concern to me becoz I and not watch collector and I intend to upgrade it too better and better.....
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If resale is the only concern to you, no need to make this thread go any longer, buy a Rolex SS sports model...highest resale among the 3 brands
I used to own 4 Rollie SS sports, 3 Omegas, etc
Now own 4 Grand Seikos, 3 JLCs, 2 GOs, IWC, Tudor, Damasko, Ananta, etc
So I'm talking from experience of both Rolex and GS resale value
The new Omega 8500/9300s are superb but resale value not tested yet
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had 3 watch before, sold the rest and only kept the GS
the perfect simple watch :)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/DavidNikon/DSC00266_zpsf4384cc4.jpg)
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Sorry to said becoz I am Boss myself in my small company......;
Hey, no need to say sorry for being a boss. You should be super proud!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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had 3 watch before, sold the rest and only kept the GS
the perfect simple watch :)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/DavidNikon/DSC00266_zpsf4384cc4.jpg)
I'm really scared to look at your pics, David. They have this siren effect.... ;)
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Ya Superb Watch......; Grand Seiko Spring Drive.........; I love the Non sport titanium version spring drive....;
That Poison my mind....... I am tech guy actually...... that the reason I am choosing IC berlin spec over other.......
That put me in difficult position to choose....
I just love the movement of Spring Drive................So smoooth.......; No one in the market can bet them yet.......;
Haizzzzz..... headache
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What about Ulysse Nardin (typical boss' watch next to Rolex, I reckon) or JLC then? Just my 2 cents. Good luck!
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I just love the movement of Spring Drive................So smoooth.......; No one in the market can bet them yet.......;
Haizzzzz..... headache
It's good to have such headache. I do not have the high-end pieces that David has, but the Spring Drive is indeed superb technology. Go for it!!!!
(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg574/loochunboon/1c1c4d47-6678-4322-a414-44d8992e1284_zpsfa83a5d8.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/loochunboon/media/1c1c4d47-6678-4322-a414-44d8992e1284_zpsfa83a5d8.jpg.html)
Another pic....
(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg574/loochunboon/gssbga003_zps284558a0.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/loochunboon/media/gssbga003_zps284558a0.jpg.html)
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Ulysse Nardin Freak...... is so Freaking Good.... but too expensive to own.............
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I'm really scared to look at your pics, David. They have this siren effect.... ;)
with the right tools, u can do that too especially on all ur precious collection :)
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Based on your statements, I would say that Milgauss GV is best for you. 2nd choice is IWC Inge. 3rd choice is other anti-magnetic watches...he..he..
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Rolex for its resale value and brand name. Call me boring..hehe.
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I am Boss myself in my small company
it is good to be a boss, you can wear whatever you like
wear nice stuff, people admire because you are boss
wear cheap stuff, people respect because even you are boss but low profile
wear replica stuff, people still believe it is the real deal, because you are boss
no wonder what you wear, you win one way or another
I wish I am a boss too
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So what your choice?
I tend to believe that one will not be able to enjoy this hobby if he is too concerned about resale value. Anyway, here's my take on your choices:
Rolex - reliable watches, but a little conservative and boring. If your job requires lots of creativity and high risk taking, your boss may come to the opinion (whether rightly or wrongly) that you do not have that special trait to fly high.
Grand Seiko - reliable watches, top notch finishing comparable to the Swiss JLC, superb technology yet low profile (many non-WIS are not aware of GS). But your boss (like you) may be someone who thinks a lot about resale value and seeing your Grand Seiko he will suspect he has been paying you far too much to the extent you become reckless and irresponsible (both in his opinion only) with your finances and decides not to give you a bonus or increment.
And to answer your question.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctj-RDbTBMU
I have been labelled an Omega convert 3 times over the last 3 days.
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Consider an AP. Most people won't know what it is.
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I am Boss myself in my small company
it is good to be a boss, you can wear whatever you like
wear nice stuff, people admire because you are boss
wear cheap stuff, people respect because even you are boss but low profile
wear replica stuff, people still believe it is the real deal, because you are boss
no wonder what you wear, you win one way or another
I wish I am a boss too
I am 34 y o.... eventho.... I wear rolex..... I still believe that if she doesn't not know me... he/she will still think my Rolex fake
Becoz most of the day I wear simple attire day in and out driving my triton...instead of Volkswagen CC
Buying Rolex simply becoz I wanted to reward myself after hard work thru out built my own company.... and I don't born in rich family...
Partly also a tools.... to bring my business to next level.....;
If you about to sign a million contract.... you wear a Casio... or maybe Seiko.... driving a proton or maybe Altis..... Do you think you will get the contract???? Yes possible but chances is rare....
This small little tools is something to bring confidence level both way.... to you and to them
Your just have to mix together..........
This is what I learn and how the business world work.....
No offence just sharing.....
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Consider an AP. Most people won't know what it is.
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What is AP
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Something like this perhaps?
But then, you can take the man out of the village, but you can not take the village out of the man...
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But then, you can take the man out of the village, but you can not take the village out of the man...
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I get it......
Is too expensive to own it right now....
Maybe someday.... when my business getting better and better....
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It's not about the price... which incidentally, isn't a lot either.
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seriously why would you care if anyone thinks your watch is fake?
your reputation and credentials not solid enough?
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I think if not mistaken their cheapest price is about 40K and above..... correct me if I am wrong
No doubt I can afford it.... but my wife going to kill me.....
I cannot find any excuses to own it.... some more resale value I have no idea
I can go for Rolex simply I told my wife.... Rolex resale value is great.... 10 years down the road.... I can sell it for same price... If watch still in good working condition....
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Buy her one first. That will solve your problem about buying yourself anything you want.
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seriously why would you care if anyone thinks your watch is fake?
your reputation and credentials not solid enough?
Becoz.... My day in and day out attire..... I don't wear smart outfit all the time.....; and I do not tell client I am boss of the small company to most of the client.... I do onsite hand on work as well sometime......;
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Li Ka Shing wears a Casio.... on the other hand Warren Buffet wears a DD. Both still lives in the same old house but yet money keeps on rolling in every second.
Watch is an accessory nothing more nothing less in this day and age. Just buy what you like.
I believe your credentials, reputation precedes what you drive or wear.
If resale value is so important. Don't buy a watch.. a gold bar makes more sense.
I have seen a lot of with ultra luxury watches and the question of authenticity is the last thing on my mind. To me the the taste/eccentricity/story behind the choice of a watch is more interesting and more of a conversation starting point.
You do not need a watch to enhance your reputation nor bring you wealth nor need it to project an image of success.
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Buy her one first. That will solve your problem about buying yourself anything you want.
I just got her a 250K car under her name for day in and out and partly for my own used when needed...... :Blue: it doesn't work this way....
Mayb becoz both of us not born from rich family..... spending in luxury way is nope for her......
I consider myself lucky as least she allowed me to buy 25K watch....... :Praying: Anyway I am happy to owned at least a Rolex.....
She don't even want it when I offer her to buy her a Rolex........
I consider myself lucky to married her...... I am more worried if my wife is a shoperholic... spend in luxury way....
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Li Ka Shing wears a Casio.... on the other hand Warren Buffet wears a DD. Both still lives in the same old house but yet money keeps on rolling in every second.
Watch is an accessory nothing more nothing less in this day and age. Just buy what you like.
I believe your credentials, reputation precedes what you drive or wear.
If resale value is so important. Don't buy a watch.. a gold bar makes more sense.
I have seen a lot of with ultra luxury watches and the question of authenticity is the last thing on my mind. To me the the taste/eccentricity/story behind the choice of a watch is more interesting and more of a conversation starting point.
You do not need a watch to enhance your reputation nor bring you wealth nor need it to project an image of success.
Your Quote Bring me to consider Grand Seiko Spring Drive....... Impressive Smooth Movement........... Let see how.....
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Buy her one first. That will solve your problem about buying yourself anything you want.
I just got her a 250K car under her name for day in and out and partly for my own used when needed...... :Blue: it doesn't work this way....
Mayb becoz both of us not born from rich family..... spending in luxury way is nope for her......
I consider myself lucky as least she allowed me to buy 25K watch....... :Praying: Anyway I am happy to owned at least a Rolex.....
She don't even want it when I offer her to buy her a Rolex........
I consider myself lucky to married her...... I am more worried if my wife is a shoperholic... spend in luxury way....
Neither of you believe in spending on luxury, so what is a 250k car for a daily beater? Won't a 50k car have 4 wheels and get from A to B as well? And that 250k car will be worth 25k in 10 years but what will the 50k watch be worth then?
You contradict yourself.
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This post is getting interesting. As dp kong said, get her a watch before you do. I did that and i got mine. ;D it works most time.
Buying luxury goods is a cultivated habit, which you must nurture with patience. Start small and slowly build it up. Sooner or later, your spouse 'tiada rasa' when spending on luxury goods. When this happens!! you can go for the kill and get your grail. (I'm in the same situation, wifey is thrifty and I'm nearly through with this devious plan)
Of course provided you are willing to burn a few holes in your trousers and work the extra hours to reward both parties :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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The car partly for my own used.....
I doing a product sales engineering business......;
I would said a car is a basic need......Put you an example...if someday my principal come for a visit.......; A boss driving him a around with altis to visit my client is just..... ar.....; End of the day I might lose the agency....... as I not the only one hold the agency.....;
I believe this how the materialize world work..... ; Principal access how wealth & resources in your company..... it all about money and network games... where material helping to play the games well....
Of coz not to the extend buy a Ferari......... with I think doesnt fit in and it is different ball games for my own business; and I not yet fit into categories to own a ferari... eventho I can owned it but It going to tough time for me....
I think spending 25K for a watches is a entry level in higher ball games....;
yes true enough some self-made millionaire out there dont own luxury watch or car.......; Like Fish Seller in the Market.....
I have a friend doing software house (Web Design) and event marketing on her own small company..... driving a SLK (Small Little Kancil)......; She is good with her capability but been in difficult time for year to year...; I told her to upgrade herself to better outlook like car.... Indeed she get herself a bigger car but not luxury type it only more like a businesswomen car..... that change her life..... a bigger PO coming in......... one after another....
Self confidence is important, for me what more important is client confident level to you.......; Which material good do play part of the games.... in what I called material confident level in both way.....
We see a lot of direct selling agent do use this way (luxury) to convince client to join member.......;
Sometime skill may not good enough to bring in sales.... that is why most of the world scientist not a rich person....
For me is just about nature of business and game we play......; which I think my nature of business require at least something and i don't play game that i cannot afford now.... like buying a 3 million banglow house..... I consider myself - a calculate risk type of person.........
Not offence - Just sharing........... :Cheers:
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Buying luxury goods is a cultivated habit.................;
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
I truly agree..... That why I dont feed her fulll :Laughing_on_floor:
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Being just a plebeian but I have seen my fair share of the rich and the ultra rich also the new and old money.
Just get a blinged Daytona/YM2 etc
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Have you encountered a robbery?
When you wear a GS the robber will ask you to keep it, next time I'll come back for Rolex.
;D
Another plus point for GS
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seriously i am a seiko fan, but i think u need a rolex ;D
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This thread made for good reading on a Monday morning. I find TS' replies somewhat contradictory. If PAM was never in the list to begin with, then I'm not sure why it was included in the subject description.
In any case, I know many wealthy businessmen who don't really give a flying f*** about how they look. I've seen some who over-do their outlook, and some that take the super stealth route. There is no right or wrong, just what they like. One person in particular went from very humble beginnings, to owning some 17 companies in 8 years, along with a slew of supercars. But he's not in to watches... and if he has to wear one, will strap on his trusty Casio.
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Many may not agree with me, but I believe car & watches.... is a tools to bring your business to next level........
is not just car and watches, it is the whole package.
Bespoke clothing, well made shoe, presentable look and well a hot model GF :Cheers:
is a lifetstyle :Dancing_banana:
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is not just car and watches, it is the whole package.
Bespoke clothing, well made shoe, presentable look and well a hot model GF :Cheers:
is a lifetstyle :Dancing_banana:
This one really poison. :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana:
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Seems like a really interesting topic.
I thought it was a three pronged fight between watches and now to portraying a certain image and taking business into the "next" level.
My opinion is, when you drive a nice car to meet a client for a business deal, chances are your client would not even see it, to the parking lot it goes.
Even if they see it, I doubt it will change any perspective if the deal you're bringing to the table sucks big time right?
"Eh, the deal sucks, but seeing he's driving a BMW, maybe I will give him a try?" fat chance.
Believe it or not, it doesn't matter what watch you're wearing, reality is 98% of the general public don't care or don't know what watch you're wearing... except if the particular person you're meeting happens to be a WIS... which is rare in itself.
Even if he is, will he go "gosh, he is wearing a Rolex, I will definitely close this deal with him"
In my opinion, personal grooming trumps expensive stuff.
Classy ppl make cheap clothes look good.
Cheap ppl make expensive stuff look shabby.
Try too hard and it shows.
Professional attitude towards business dealings is all one needs.
Bring your best to the table, not wear your best to the table.
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hanz, you've summed that up quite well. I truly did not see the point in this thread; based on my calculations, I am 98% sure TS will have gone and bought a Rolex. After all, a Rollie would be best suited when he comes out from his 250k Merc (oh wait, was it Triton?) to impress his clients.
Sorry if I was a bit blunt....................... just saying it.............. like it is.
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Find and buy and wear what you like. Panerai, Rolex, AP, GS.....within these makers are specific models at both ends of the spectrum...either having a resale- price that sank like a torpedoed sub or one that is profitable.. Impossible to list down and come up with an ultimate ranking of what is the best when it comes to resale value. Some seniors here have given some good models for you to study, so take a close look...
You bought the 250k car for a reason....and AFAIK, nothing beats the resale value of a car when it comes to losses...So i dont see the need to lose sleep if you saw your Rolex having a resale price of RM2-3 k lower than when you first bought it few years ago...
First impression is important, but lasting impression is even more important. If i see you parking a Benz in the parking lot, I will hope you are a symbol of hardwork, honesty and dedication instead of being a smooth talker, flash in a pan kind of businessman.
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Kennot!!!!!!
Bespoke and well made shoes siapa tau? Not power enough.
It's nothing without big arse labels and logos. So labels on sleeves of the Zegnas and Hugos cannot be removed and shoes must only be Ferragamo. Like dat only ppl would know, and only like dat it's worth your money spent.
Many may not agree with me, but I believe car & watches.... is a tools to bring your business to next level........
is not just car and watches, it is the whole package.
Bespoke clothing, well made shoe, presentable look and well a hot model GF :Cheers:
is a lifetstyle :Dancing_banana:
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wear like Hanibbal Chau and u get notice :Cheers:
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Yeah! the poster boy of success!!
wear like Hanibbal Chau and u get notice :Cheers:
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Good Morning.................
It a good Monday....... :thumbsup: :Dancing_banana:
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seriously we have identify u need a rolex, we need to know which model will suit u
i believe YM 2 two tone is a good match :Cheers:
skip the daytona, u want to portray a lifestyle
then get a yacht with it, when your biz partner come , bring him on the yatch and tour around malaysia,
:Cheers:
unless u in into u skydweller u need helicopter then:Dancing_banana:
either way it impress :thumbsup:
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@soonaikz
I think I found ur hesitation. you wanted to buy a watch for urself and to save urself some money, you want to buy a watch that help to further ur biz. unfortunately for you, the brands of watches you like and the those that help ur biz grow are orthogonal with each other.
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seriously we have identify u need a rolex, we need to know which model will suit u
i believe YM 2 two tone is a good match :Cheers:
skip the daytona, u want to portray a lifestyle
then get a yacht with it, when your biz partner come , bring him on the yatch and tour around malaysia,
:Cheers:
unless u in into u skydweller u need helicopter then:Dancing_banana:
either way it impress :thumbsup:
SPORT MODEL DONT SUIT ME..........
I choose either DJ II Rhodium Arabic with bazel or GS Spring Drive Titanium....... Havent made up my mind...........
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@soonaikz
I think I found ur hesitation. you wanted to buy a watch for urself and to save urself some money, you want to buy a watch that help to further ur biz. unfortunately for you, the brands of watches you like and the those that help ur biz grow are orthogonal with each other.
Sorry bro too confusing........; what watch you think suit me.......
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Ask yourself do u want to buy a watch for your biz (perhaps a Rolex) or urself (e.g. Seiko)? Or 2 watches for different purposes. I doubt u can get a watch that serves 2 purposes based on what u posted here
@soonaikz
I think I found ur hesitation. you wanted to buy a watch for urself and to save urself some money, you want to buy a watch that help to further ur biz. unfortunately for you, the brands of watches you like and the those that help ur biz grow are orthogonal with each other.
Sorry bro too confusing........; what watch you think suit me.......
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I am Boss myself in my small company
it is good to be a boss, you can wear whatever you like
wear nice stuff, people admire because you are boss
wear cheap stuff, people respect because even you are boss but low profile
wear replica stuff, people still believe it is the real deal, because you are boss
no wonder what you wear, you win one way or another
I wish I am a boss too
I am 34 y o.... eventho.... I wear rolex..... I still believe that if she doesn't not know me... he/she will still think my Rolex fake
Becoz most of the day I wear simple attire day in and out driving my triton...instead of Volkswagen CC
Buying Rolex simply becoz I wanted to reward myself after hard work thru out built my own company.... and I don't born in rich family...
Partly also a tools.... to bring my business to next level.....;
If you about to sign a million contract.... you wear a Casio... or maybe Seiko.... driving a proton or maybe Altis..... Do you think you will get the contract???? Yes possible but chances is rare....
This small little tools is something to bring confidence level both way.... to you and to them
Your just have to mix together..........
This is what I learn and how the business world work.....
No offence just sharing.....
But when you need to collect payment,...must not wear a Rolex....if not payment will delay....haha...
To take contract - wear Rolex and drive Merc
Collect payment - wear Casio and drive proton
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Maybe this, my 2013 grail watch :Praying:
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Since you like Spring Drive so much.
(http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f2/566581d1322533301-what-some-ultra-high-end-sport-chronos-top-watches-grand-seiko-watch.jpg)
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A quick profiling on you based on what you wrote:
Watch requirements: under rm25k, non-sport type, resale value
Your values: takes calculated risk, not born with silver spoon (hence careful with money), understated.
You own a small business, you want to reward yourself. You think your new watch should 'help' your business attain a higher profile.
My recommendations:
I think the Rolex DJ II (steel) is perfect but in general Rolex sports model commands better resale value. Alternatively, any of the classic looks of the GS Spring Drive in silver or black dial.
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I am Boss myself in my small company
it is good to be a boss, you can wear whatever you like
wear nice stuff, people admire because you are boss
wear cheap stuff, people respect because even you are boss but low profile
wear replica stuff, people still believe it is the real deal, because you are boss
no wonder what you wear, you win one way or another
I wish I am a boss too
I am 34 y o.... eventho.... I wear rolex..... I still believe that if she doesn't not know me... he/she will still think my Rolex fake
Becoz most of the day I wear simple attire day in and out driving my triton...instead of Volkswagen CC
Buying Rolex simply becoz I wanted to reward myself after hard work thru out built my own company.... and I don't born in rich family...
Partly also a tools.... to bring my business to next level.....;
If you about to sign a million contract.... you wear a Casio... or maybe Seiko.... driving a proton or maybe Altis..... Do you think you will get the contract???? Yes possible but chances is rare....
This small little tools is something to bring confidence level both way.... to you and to them
Your just have to mix together..........
This is what I learn and how the business world work.....
No offence just sharing.....
But when you need to collect payment,...must not wear a Rolex....if not payment will delay....haha...
To take contract - wear Rolex and drive Merc
Collect payment - wear Casio and drive proton
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when i wanna collect my money, I wear singlet and gold watch. :laugh: >:(
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Consider yourself hire for my next collection date. LOL
when i wanna collect my money, I wear singlet and gold watch. :laugh: >:(
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The solid gold GS SBGC004 Takashi proposes costs 3,000,000 Yen approx. RM 99,000.
TS wants to spend up to RM 25,000 so this is out.
AFAIK in Malaysia/Singapore, only Dr Bernard Cheong has one to-date...
If TS wants to consider a GS, he can get the same one I have, the plain vanilla SBGC003 in stainless steel below which is approx. RM 25,000 now (in view of weaker Yen)
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m235/JoeyJLC/null-54.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/JoeyJLC/media/null-54.jpg.html)
Since you like Spring Drive so much.
(http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f2/566581d1322533301-what-some-ultra-high-end-sport-chronos-top-watches-grand-seiko-watch.jpg)
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Hei, that a Panerai.......; A friend with managerial level owned a Panerai.....;
It time to get a better watches......... Since my work position require so.......
Many may not agree with me, but I believe car & watches.... is a tools to bring your business to next level........
Panerai, Rolex & Grand Seiko....... come into my mind.........
Do my little home work.............;
Panerai............ 1st Out of Picture....... becoz I don't see the good side of it beside than oversize and special guard crown....., yes true enough people notice that a Panerai from special guard crown... resales value???? Sorry Panerai Fan.......
Rolex Vs Grand Seiko;
Rolex Pro - reputable brand, better resale value, I think the only watch that any of their series can resale for at least 50% of your buying price
Rolex Con - Hei your Rolex fake?.......Nowaday robotic assembly.......
Grand Seiko Pro - Hand made and very well finish product; Spring Drive movement superb smooth (I never seen any watches movement better than this), no fake.......
Grand Seiko Con - Are you crazy? you buy a seiko for 20K?; No resale value..........
What about you?
is this your first watch?
your budget?
will you sell off what you bought?
bro, you should not concern yourself on what others think of your rolex or panerai or grand seiko because most watches have imitation or fake ones too. after all, you also never care what others think of your dressing...
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thought he says no sports watch?
The solid gold GS SBGC004 Takashi proposes costs 3,000,000 Yen approx. RM 99,000.
TS wants to spend up to RM 25,000 so this is out.
AFAIK in Malaysia/Singapore, only Dr Bernard Cheong has one to-date...
If TS will consider GS, he can get the same one I have, the SBGC003 in stainless steel below which is exactly RM 25,000 now (in view of weaker Yen)
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m235/JoeyJLC/null-54.jpg) (http://s105.photobucket.com/user/JoeyJLC/media/null-54.jpg.html)
Since you like Spring Drive so much.
(http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachments/f2/566581d1322533301-what-some-ultra-high-end-sport-chronos-top-watches-grand-seiko-watch.jpg)
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I take the industry standard of 70% :laugh:
Consider yourself hire for my next collection date. LOL
when i wanna collect my money, I wear singlet and gold watch. :laugh: >:(
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Professional attitude towards business dealings is all one needs.
Bring your best to the table, not wear your best to the table.
Wow Hanz, very impressive and memorable statement. The best I've read for a very long time. Sounds very much like a line which you'll read in books like "How to Win Friends and Influence People". :D :D
If this thread was discussed 5000 years ago, it would probably be "Big axe vs Long Sword vs golden spear...." or something like that. The thing is, the feeling that one needs to wear a power watch or power tie or drive a power car to impress the other side has a historical root. In the past you bring to the negotiation table the longest sword, the sharpest knife, the most bloodied axe, the heaviest club etc to intimidate your opponents. Now fast forward 5,000 years to the present times, the carrying of such weapons to the negotiation table is unfortunately (or fortunately) no longer an acceptable practice (unless you are a member of the underworld) hence ordinary folks who cannot free themselves from the shackle of this practice from deep antiquity resort to wearing and driving what some may consider flashy to intimidate and impress. Now, this is not a criticism made against the TS. Let's be honest, most of us at some point of time resort to this, albeit maybe in another form or to a different degree.
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very weird thread.
I've never encountered people giving business deals to those who only drives big cars and wears luxury watches. It's the value propositions your company can offer. If you're looking to reward yourself - get a rollie 2 tone sub.
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Hei, that a Panerai.......; A friend with managerial level owned a Panerai.....;
It time to get a better watches......... Since my work position require so.......
Many may not agree with me, but I believe car & watches.... is a tools to bring your business to next level........
Panerai, Rolex & Grand Seiko....... come into my mind.........
Do my little home work.............;
Panerai............ 1st Out of Picture....... becoz I don't see the good side of it beside than oversize and special guard crown....., yes true enough people notice that a Panerai from special guard crown... resales value???? Sorry Panerai Fan.......
Rolex Vs Grand Seiko;
Rolex Pro - reputable brand, better resale value, I think the only watch that any of their series can resale for at least 50% of your buying price
Rolex Con - Hei your Rolex fake?.......Nowaday robotic assembly.......
Grand Seiko Pro - Hand made and very well finish product; Spring Drive movement superb smooth (I never seen any watches movement better than this), no fake.......
Grand Seiko Con - Are you crazy? you buy a seiko for 20K?; No resale value..........
What about you?
is this your first watch?
your budget?
will you sell off what you bought?
bro, you should not concern yourself on what others think of your rolex or panerai or grand seiko because most watches have imitation or fake ones too. after all, you also never care what others think of your dressing...
Yes my 1st watch.....; 25K and aint not watch collector....plan to upgrade....
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Omega - If it's good enough for James Bond it's good enough for you.
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Seriously, look at the latest Omega Aqua Terra, Constellation and DeVille.
:Dancing_banana: :Jumping: :Dancing_banana: :Jumping: :Cheers:
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Get a Rolex Submariner Date Ceramic, safe first purchase, easy to offload, good resale velue, not too bling, ceramic bezel good scratch proof material as sometimes you need to get hands on works.
Paired with a Mont Blanc ball pen, black plastic frame Ray-Ban spectacles, white Polo Ralph Lauren long sleeve shirt, LV Monogram belt, not too baggy piece of pant, a pair of clean polish black shoes and you are good to 'join' the 'entry level' business development gang.
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James,
I share your view.
very weird thread.
I've never encountered people giving business deals to those who only drives big cars and wears luxury watches. It's the value propositions your company can offer. If you're looking to reward yourself - get a rollie 2 tone sub.
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Gosh! The LV monogram belt must be one of the fugliest thing ever invented.
Reminds me of ah beng, ah Seng and DaiLok brothers.
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If your are in engineering business......;
Socialize with your client do happen and is a basic for the nature of business.........; when socialize... beside politic, women - conversation talk about luxury good sometime do come across......;
When you don't own it..... but your talk about it like pro..... people will think your are bullshitier......
When you own something..... you can impress people..........
When you socialize with client and you wear casio..... I think it would funny to talk about how your casio.....
Unlike Lee Ka Shing....... He is a well known rich people.......; He do not need wearing luxury to impress....
as for me, I still nobody to a lot people that I already knew or just know......
If having a conversation with your client......"Hei What your casio movement"..........?? :Laughing_on_floor: :HammerHead: :Scolding:....... it that funny in Business Talk???
For me the right luxury item is some kind of tool to impress, buy confident level and plus point...........; is like a mentality game, people more confident with what you talk or bullshit..... becoz subconsciously... tell us you are someone otherwise you can't afford to buy such good.......
It like how people impress when I tell my friend or client a story about "How I manage to exchange my new rubbish volvo (driving for months only) to volkwagen" without losing much money that I paid......
Yes people do impress on my true story.......;
Owning a luxury and bring on table always a plus point when needed......; Owning a Ferari right now I consider too much due to much nature of business.... where I think Ferari most suitable if your in Investor games.......
Just Sharing.....
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James,
I share your view.
very weird thread.
I've never encountered people giving business deals to those who only drives big cars and wears luxury watches. It's the value propositions your company can offer. If you're looking to reward yourself - get a rollie 2 tone sub.
Strongly agreed, and yet i don think so wearing the above mention 3 brands will bring up your image, is the matter of how you carry yourself.
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Get a Rolex Submariner Date Ceramic, safe first purchase, easy to offload, good resale velue, not too bling, ceramic bezel good scratch proof material as sometimes you need to get hands on works.
Paired with a Mont Blanc ball pen, black plastic frame Ray-Ban spectacles, white Polo Ralph Lauren long sleeve shirt, LV Monogram belt, not too baggy piece of pant, a pair of clean polish black shoes and you are good to 'join' the 'entry level' business development gang.
Is a good choice....with SubC + a Mont Blanc pen....; I think that will do..... The rest I think too much......;
But Sub C is not my choice as I dont fancy sport version......
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While what hanz said is true but I won't say a good quality watch does nothing in a business meeting. At least the 1st impression is good. Just need to be tasteful.
Maybe it won't help 100% or 70%. 5% maybe? ::)
Regard
Tyler
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Kennot lar. Industry standard kena maintain. Still have the uncles, brothers, and little ponies to take care.
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I think I found the solution to your need to get a bit of mileage for your business while rewarding yourself.
Amend the Memorandum of Articles of your company to include watch trading. That way you can buy the timepiece with pre-tax dollars and save at whatever tax bracket that you get assessed at. Good idea no? :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana:
* free tax advice for the day
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I think I found the solution to your need to get a bit of mileage for your business while rewarding yourself.
Amend the Memorandum of Articles of your company to include watch trading. That way you can buy the timepiece with pre-tax dollars and save at whatever tax bracket that you get assessed at. Good idea no? :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana:
* free tax advice for the day
You can claim as a gift to client company anniversary event or reward to staff under your tax column ..... but approve or not approve is not another issue.... the auditor will advise you......
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Gosh! The LV monogram belt must be one of the fugliest thing ever invented.
Reminds me of ah beng, ah Seng and DaiLok brothers.
Not the prettiest thing on earth, but for 'straight to your face' impact, not many things now can beat the LV monogram + gold buckle (except those 90s Gianni Versace belts, i can still remember) :Laughing_on_floor:
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^ dun play play, i wear that for my wedding photo ;D
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Get a Rolex Submariner Date Ceramic, safe first purchase, easy to offload, good resale velue, not too bling, ceramic bezel good scratch proof material as sometimes you need to get hands on works.
Paired with a Mont Blanc ball pen, black plastic frame Ray-Ban spectacles, white Polo Ralph Lauren long sleeve shirt, LV Monogram belt, not too baggy piece of pant, a pair of clean polish black shoes and you are good to 'join' the 'entry level' business development gang.
this is as cliche as it gets ..... (sad but true).
Is a good choice....with SubC + a Mont Blanc pen....; I think that will do..... The rest I think too much......;
But Sub C is not my choice as I dont fancy sport version......
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Kennot!!!!!!
Bespoke and well made shoes siapa tau? Not power enough.
It's nothing without big arse labels and logos. So labels on sleeves of the Zegnas and Hugos cannot be removed and shoes must only be Ferragamo. Like dat only ppl would know, and only like dat it's worth your money spent.
Many may not agree with me, but I believe car & watches.... is a tools to bring your business to next level........
is not just car and watches, it is the whole package.
Bespoke clothing, well made shoe, presentable look and well a hot model GF :Cheers:
is a lifetstyle :Dancing_banana:
damn... i suppose to wear my fArragamo to meet you last night...so i can show u i am powderful wei...
Boss Soonaikz,
just dress neat and tidy and it will bring your biz to next level..your principal are more interested on how well you know about their product and how you market them...not how you market yourself...no offense just my 2 cents
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I say ditch all of the above and get an IWC 3717 :)
with both steel and leather straps.
and sell to me when you plan to upgrade :Cheers:
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Well...sometimes...wearing your best (suited to the occasion) can also bring out the best in a person. It gives you more confidence when you know that you are also looking your best. Remember that 1st impression is very important and you might have brought your best but the client might think otherwise from your less than best appearance. :Cheers:
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If your are in engineering business......;
Socialize with your client do happen and is a basic for the nature of business.........; when socialize... beside politic, women - conversation talk about luxury good sometime do come across......;
When you don't own it..... but your talk about it like pro..... people will think your are bullshitier......
When you own something..... you can impress people..........
When you socialize with client and you wear casio..... I think it would funny to talk about how your casio.....
Unlike Lee Ka Shing....... He is a well known rich people.......; He do not need wearing luxury to impress....
as for me, I still nobody to a lot people that I already knew or just know......
If having a conversation with your client......"Hei What your casio movement"..........?? :Laughing_on_floor: :HammerHead: :Scolding:....... it that funny in Business Talk???
For me the right luxury item is some kind of tool to impress, buy confident level and plus point...........; is like a mentality game, people more confident with what you talk or bullshit..... becoz subconsciously... tell us you are someone otherwise you can't afford to buy such good.......
It like how people impress when I tell my friend or client a story about "How I manage to exchange my new rubbish volvo (driving for months only) to volkwagen" without losing much money that I paid......
Yes people do impress on my true story.......;
Owning a luxury and bring on table always a plus point when needed......; Owning a Ferari right now I consider too much due to much nature of business.... where I think Ferari most suitable if your in Investor games.......
Just Sharing.....
friend, while I admire your honesty about why you need a watch - general association of a person's status and what he owns but it's always a no-no in business talk about what one owns/wears (rule of thumb). if you wear more expensive watch than your customers, u risk "insulting" them (wah Mr X u wear a Rolex, why not you try an AP like mine?). If you wear something less expensive, it seems like you're bullshitting when you talk like a pro (like what you pointed out). It's ok to wear a casio and say you read somewhere that this watch movement has some reviews and position it like you want to know their views. You won't be seen as bullshitting. There're a lot of things we don't know.
In all my business conversations - casual topics are better off talking about their families, their holidays, property prices, views about some news already carried by the media and a genuine display of sincerity of knowing them personally. "Comparing or showing off" material wealth seems very inappropriate.
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Get a Rolex Submariner Date Ceramic, safe first purchase, easy to offload, good resale velue, not too bling, ceramic bezel good scratch proof material as sometimes you need to get hands on works.
Paired with a Mont Blanc ball pen, black plastic frame Ray-Ban spectacles, white Polo Ralph Lauren long sleeve shirt, LV Monogram belt, not too baggy piece of pant, a pair of clean polish black shoes and you are good to 'join' the 'entry level' business development gang.
Not good enough la...i'll take you seriously only if you wear:
1. Giorgio Armani Suit - Asian cut
2. E.Zegna shirt
3. Alfred Dunhill cufflinks and tie
4. Berluti shoes (that costs more than an omega watch)
5. Hermes belt
6. Alfred Dunhill briefcase
7. D&G shades
8. Montblanc pen - limited edition ones only, with their leather pen holder and namecard holder
9. Vertu touchscreen phone
10. Bvlgari WG/RG ring
11. Richard Mille 10 watch
12. Porsche car keys sticking out of your pocket
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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Then you gotta be the alpha male hahahahaha
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tUmo-YzoDDI/T-jRbcf0v5I/AAAAAAAABFs/amYyylc8Ntk/s910/chinesealphamale.JPG)
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Get a Rolex Submariner Date Ceramic, safe first purchase, easy to offload, good resale velue, not too bling, ceramic bezel good scratch proof material as sometimes you need to get hands on works.
Paired with a Mont Blanc ball pen, black plastic frame Ray-Ban spectacles, white Polo Ralph Lauren long sleeve shirt, LV Monogram belt, not too baggy piece of pant, a pair of clean polish black shoes and you are good to 'join' the 'entry level' business development gang.
Not good enough la...i'll take you seriously only if you wear:
1. Giorgio Armani Suit - Asian cut
2. E.Zegna shirt
3. Alfred Dunhill cufflinks and tie
4. Berlutti shoes (that costs more than an omega watch)
5. Hermes belt
6. Alfred Dunhill briefcase
7. D&G shades
8. Montblanc pen - limited edition ones only, with their leather pen holder and namecard holder
9. Vertu touchscreen phone
10. Bvlgari WG/RG ring
11. Richard Mille 10 watch
12. Porsche car keys sticking out of your pocket
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Please allow me to add one more item - Bottega Veneta wrist band...and change the Richard Mille 10 to 30 then that is marvelous...my Ex-GM signing billions worth contract with $2 pen only with Casio on his wrist... :Cheers:
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Ahhhh.....The legendary and world famous Hermes Man. A true Malaysian superhero.
Then you gotta be the alpha male hahahahaha
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tUmo-YzoDDI/T-jRbcf0v5I/AAAAAAAABFs/amYyylc8Ntk/s910/chinesealphamale.JPG)
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Not good enough la...i'll take you seriously only if you wear:
1. Giorgio Armani Suit - Asian cut
2. E.Zegna shirt
3. Alfred Dunhill cufflinks and tie
4. Berlutti shoes (that costs more than an omega watch)
5. Hermes belt
6. Alfred Dunhill briefcase
7. D&G shades
8. Montblanc pen - limited edition ones only, with their leather pen holder and namecard holder
9. Vertu touchscreen phone
10. Bvlgari WG/RG ring
11. Richard Mille 10 watch
12. Porsche car keys sticking out of your pocket
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Hey James, you forgot something....his underwear. Designer also?
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Not good enough la...i'll take you seriously only if you wear:
1. Giorgio Armani Suit - Asian cut
2. E.Zegna shirt
3. Alfred Dunhill cufflinks and tie
4. Berlutti shoes (that costs more than an omega watch)
5. Hermes belt
6. Alfred Dunhill briefcase
7. D&G shades
8. Montblanc pen - limited edition ones only, with their leather pen holder and namecard holder
9. Vertu touchscreen phone
10. Bvlgari WG/RG ring
11. Richard Mille 10 watch
12. Porsche car keys sticking out of your pocket
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Hey James, you forgot something....his underwear. Designer also?
That should be a piece of Haute Couture undie by Saint Laurent Paris...
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If your are in engineering business......;
Socialize with your client do happen and is a basic for the nature of business.........; when socialize... beside politic, women - conversation talk about luxury good sometime do come across......;
When you don't own it..... but your talk about it like pro..... people will think your are bullshitier......
When you own something..... you can impress people..........
When you socialize with client and you wear casio..... I think it would funny to talk about how your casio.....
Unlike Lee Ka Shing....... He is a well known rich people.......; He do not need wearing luxury to impress....
as for me, I still nobody to a lot people that I already knew or just know......
If having a conversation with your client......"Hei What your casio movement"..........?? :Laughing_on_floor: :HammerHead: :Scolding:....... it that funny in Business Talk???
For me the right luxury item is some kind of tool to impress, buy confident level and plus point...........; is like a mentality game, people more confident with what you talk or bullshit..... becoz subconsciously... tell us you are someone otherwise you can't afford to buy such good.......
It like how people impress when I tell my friend or client a story about "How I manage to exchange my new rubbish volvo (driving for months only) to volkwagen" without losing much money that I paid......
Yes people do impress on my true story.......;
Owning a luxury and bring on table always a plus point when needed......; Owning a Ferari right now I consider too much due to much nature of business.... where I think Ferari most suitable if your in Investor games.......
Just Sharing.....
You're 34+ and I think you need new friends. Come join a GTG hopefully coming up next weekend. You will get to see many different types of watches and the conversation will not be about comparing who wears the most expensive watch, makes the most money or has the longest and biggest d**k.
If you must buy a Rolex, the sports models (which you do not want) are the ones which hold their values better. The DJ II drops in value much more. Just compare the pre-owned prices. And while getting the Submariner is always the advice given, it is the one that is most seen on people's wrist, the one you would buy if you don't know which one to buy.
Maybe just up the budget to 50k so you can get the watch you really like so no need to upgrade later.
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diferent perception, diferent point of view.... It a very subjective matter
Anyway i believe material goods do bring a plus point into business....
Wearing more expensive or less expensive in front of client... Shouldnt be a big issue... Becoz he is my client and not work for me, if he or she work work for me... It may be a issue..... Maybe...
Same group people tend exchange more info with same group of people....., that the reason most bosses dont tell thier staff how they make money..... Especially thier staff
Why majority of business owner spending on luxury good.... Ya true enough people may think show off do come into picture... But i believe without realising is a tools of businesses.....
Why many coperate company spend luxury on the company car... Well kancil do take them from point a to b...
You be the judge.... Madarin oriental hotel is my ex-company client.... I see number of MERC park underground for thier VVIP guest......
What will happen if the transport is a kancil...... Kaboom reputation finish.....
If you ex-GM can sign a billion contract... I dont believe she have only casio watch and maybe drive a small little kancil for work.....
Unless he signed a rupee indo contract.....
Just my tot for sharing..... :Dancing_banana:
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diferent perception, diferent point of view.... It a very subjective matter
Anyway i believe material goods do bring a plus point into business....
Wearing more expensive or less expensive in front of client... Shouldnt be a big issue... Becoz he is my client and not work for me, if he or she work work for me... It may be a issue..... Maybe...
Same group people tend exchange more info with same group of people....., that the reason most bosses dont tell thier staff how they make money..... Especially thier staff
Why majority of business owner spending on luxury good.... Ya true enough people may think show off do come into picture... But i believe without realising is a tools of businesses.....
Why many coperate company spend luxury on the company car... Well kancil do take them from point a to b...
You be the judge.... Madarin oriental hotel is my ex-company client.... I see number of MERC park underground for thier VVIP guest......
What will happen if the transport is a kancil...... Kaboom reputation finish.....
If you ex-GM can sign a billion contract... I dont believe she have only casio watch and maybe drive a small little kancil for work.....
Unless he signed a rupee indo contract.....
Just my tot for sharing..... :Dancing_banana:
Material goods don't actually bring a plus point into business. Maybe you aren't reading the previous threads. Material goods should be for self-satisfaction. Once you are satisfied (and happy), you should be surrounded by positive aura (or chi) and that will project a positive image. Sometimes a Casio can also give someone satisfaction. And that positive and confident image is what gets you business. As an example, my friend's father who is very wealthy, loves to collect land titles. He dresses in old Chinaman style (ala terrenceterrence style), no watch, slippers but gets lots of construction work. I think he signs contracts with pens provided by clients.
What's wrong if your employee is able to afford expensive items provided it wasn't stolen from your company? Maybe he has rich in-laws or a big inheritance?
The old concept on trying to keep employees in the dark doesn't work anymore. Good employers will teach good employees how to make money. After all, it's the employees that make the company, not you the boss. Without employees, you are no boss at all. Employees need to know how to generate income for the company or else where would their salaries come from? Ever heard of motivation, not with a BIG stick please!
Companies spend money on luxury company cars because it is an allowable tax deduction via leasing. Spend the money or pay tax on it, you choose. Maybe you need a new auditor? And hotels provide luxury cars for the VVIP guest as a service to high-paying clients. It's a necessity else why is it called a service industry.
You really need to mix with a new crowd.... :Cheers:
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This thread has turned from a "which watch should I buy" to a "why I should buy an expensive xxx".
I see a lot of good, relevant responses in here, but none seem to be a satisfactory answer, so I'm not sure what sort of reply TS is looking for. Imo, TS should stick to a Rolex of his choice, within his budget. Good enough to wow general public, and yet can still bring enough self satisfaction. Surely go well with the 250k Merc too, brotha.
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Well to be blunt, this thread has kinda turned out to be the TS finding a justification to buy his Rolex.
From all his replies it seems he just wants the status and the name.
Get a Rolex, be done with it.
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Buying a watch plainly to impress others, not because of the watch? Pity...
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Ya topic a bit out ......
Well Most likely I will settle with Rolex DJ II Rhodium Arabic
:thumbsup: :Dancing_banana:
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TBH , i have many friends who thinks like TS .
This kinda thinking "luxury goods are credibility tools" is pretty common.
Its just that TS created a thread in "MWF" which so happen the majority of people here are more "passion minded" . Not status minded. ;D
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diferent perception, diferent point of view.... It a very subjective matter
Anyway i believe material goods do bring a plus point into business....
Wearing more expensive or less expensive in front of client... Shouldnt be a big issue... Becoz he is my client and not work for me, if he or she work work for me... It may be a issue..... Maybe...
Same group people tend exchange more info with same group of people....., that the reason most bosses dont tell thier staff how they make money..... Especially thier staff
Why majority of business owner spending on luxury good.... Ya true enough people may think show off do come into picture... But i believe without realising is a tools of businesses.....
Why many coperate company spend luxury on the company car... Well kancil do take them from point a to b...
You be the judge.... Madarin oriental hotel is my ex-company client.... I see number of MERC park underground for thier VVIP guest......
What will happen if the transport is a kancil...... Kaboom reputation finish.....
If you ex-GM can sign a billion contract... I dont believe she have only casio watch and maybe drive a small little kancil for work.....
Unless he signed a rupee indo contract.....
Just my tot for sharing..... :Dancing_banana:
Material goods don't actually bring a plus point into business. Maybe you aren't reading the previous threads. Material goods should be for self-satisfaction. Once you are satisfied (and happy), you should be surrounded by positive aura (or chi) and that will project a positive image. Sometimes a Casio can also give someone satisfaction. And that positive and confident image is what gets you business. As an example, my friend's father who is very wealthy, loves to collect land titles. He dresses in old Chinaman style (ala terrenceterrence style), no watch, slippers but gets lots of construction work. I think he signs contracts with pens provided by clients.
What's wrong if your employee is able to afford expensive items provided it wasn't stolen from your company? Maybe he has rich in-laws or a big inheritance?
The old concept on trying to keep employees in the dark doesn't work anymore. Good employers will teach good employees how to make money. After all, it's the employees that make the company, not you the boss. Without employees, you are no boss at all. Employees need to know how to generate income for the company or else where would their salaries come from? Ever heard of motivation, not with a BIG stick please!
Companies spend money on luxury company cars because it is an allowable tax deduction via leasing. Spend the money or pay tax on it, you choose. Maybe you need a new auditor? And hotels provide luxury cars for the VVIP guest as a service to high-paying clients. It's a necessity else why is it called a service industry.
You really need to mix with a new crowd.... :Cheers:
I know a watch chain owner with 50+ outlets wearing a Casio and his dad a Seiko5.
They don't drive Kancil of course because of safety issue.
Yes we all come from different backgrounds but I choose to work under a mentor rather than a scrooge boss.
And I believe in sharing the wealth and I do show my staff how to make money and save their earnings.
Many of them with potential, I make them my future partners, as one man can't do all.
The problem with society is there are too many rich selfish businessman who keeps all the profit for themselves.
Once you deemed yourself wearing a watch as a form of superiority, that means you are still living in the old era.
Be a boss (which I'm sure you am), that treat your staff as assets, rather than a slave.
maybe we are mostly weirdos here, aren't we ?
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Ya topic a bit out ......
Well Most likely I will settle with Rolex DJ II Rhodium Arabic
:thumbsup: :Dancing_banana:
Even though I don't know you personally, my humble opinion is don't buy this watch until you are 40.
I can even figure how you look like now in your Rhodium next to your Triton.
Sorry for being too imaginative.
:Cheers:
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Guys let's be fair. Keep the talk on watches. Don't lecture until someone beh song, OK?
Soonaikz, is OK to get status with a material purchase. I did that too sometimes. It feel good, however short the feeling last is a different story... lol
Regard
Tyler
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I personally think the DJ2 is not enough, a DD2 would have more of an impact. After all why stop at being a boss when THE big boss is the dream u aspire to be.
Like they say, dress for the position you want and not dress for the position you are in.
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diferent perception, diferent point of view.... It a very subjective matter
Just my tot for sharing..... :Dancing_banana:
i think TS have foresight and will go far in life ;D
other member here say know who and who ... those are just bystander
TS is the man, the man of action and he know what he want hehe...
now with rolex, u only need to get the rest of your armor ready
let me intro u to the http://www.styleforum.net/
and some nice shoe http://www.edwardgreen.com/
nice suit ;D http://www.brioni.com/
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Guys let's be fair. Keep the talk on watches. Don't lecture until someone beh song, OK?
Soonaikz, is OK to get status with a material purchase. I did that too sometimes. It feel good, however short the feeling last is a different story... lol
Regard
Tyler
Yeah, I agree.
As for the choice of watches, a stainless steel model would not be loud enough for the intended intentions.
Might I suggest a full gold at at least a two tone DJ?
I would suggest a DayDate but looking at your budget, a TT would be a within budget.
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If you die die wanna "show off" wit a Rolex but "dont" wanna show off, THIS is always my pic.
(http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/544761/rolex-day-date-platinum-president-profile.png)
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If you die die wanna "show off" wit a Rolex but "dont" wanna show off, THIS is always my pic.
(http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/544761/rolex-day-date-platinum-president-profile.png)
Yeah man, nothing beats that Platinum DayDate.
Those not in the know will just THINK it's a stainless steel. (I too was guilty of this before)
Saw it once at my local AD and have the guts to ask them to lemme try it... freakin heavy!! But AWESOME!!
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Bezel too wide and not fluted. FAIL!
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dpkong....i always respect your taste and collection..but this time i gotta agree with taka and hanz... ;D
I already made up my mind to suggest the platinum blue to TS when i decided to revisit this thread minutes ago..but Taka beaten me to it...
wonderful play of blue color, platinum, Day display, date display....the best there is... :thumbsup:
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TS wants a watch costing up to RM 25K.
If budget no issue, I'd recommend him a Daytona meteorite dial in white gold if he insists on a Rolex.
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DPKONG....
Not that I know off Malaysia Company allowed to spent luxury on car...... becoz is a add back after RM 150K the rest taxable.... with limitation rules and regulation like number of director..... and number of car.....
Correct me if I am wrong.......
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Ya topic a bit out ......
Well Most likely I will settle with Rolex DJ II Rhodium Arabic
:thumbsup: :Dancing_banana:
Even though I don't know you personally, my humble opinion is don't buy this watch until you are 40.
I can even figure how you look like now in your Rhodium next to your Triton.
Sorry for being too imaginative.
:Cheers:
What your recomendation.... GMT
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Platinum.... more suit for cooperate leader or multi-company BOSS, I yet to come to this level....... I am just a small potato to many; a small company boss..... with I am happy with 25K watch at the moment......;
Maybe someday I will go for platinum when the day come....... someday......;
Or Someday Maybe I will go for UN Freak watches or crazy hour........ maybe......
Godzilla... thanks for reminding.....
I sincerely make my apologies if my word or writing may offended someone........
My intention is just sharing knowledge among us.... to make us a better person.....
:Cheers:
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DPKONG....
Not that I know off Malaysia Company allowed to spent luxury on car...... becoz is a add back after RM 150K the rest taxable.... with limitation rules and regulation like number of director..... and number of car.....
Correct me if I am wrong.......
Is leasing no longer allowed? ;)
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TS wants a watch costing up to RM 25K.
If budget no issue, I'd recommend him a Daytona meteorite dial in white gold if he insists on a Rolex.
Joseph,
Find me a white gold meteorite Daytona at RM25k each :o and I'll take 3 pieces please :Cheers:
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dpkong....i always respect your taste and collection..but this time i gotta agree with taka and hanz... ;D
I already made up my mind to suggest the platinum blue to TS when i decided to revisit this thread minutes ago..but Taka beaten me to it...
wonderful play of blue color, platinum, Day display, date display....the best there is... :thumbsup:
Agree with your comments, but for me, when considering a Rolex Datejust, the fluted bezel is a must.
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Professional attitude towards business dealings is all one needs.
Bring your best to the table, not wear your best to the table.
Wow Hanz, very impressive and memorable statement. The best I've read for a very long time. Sounds very much like a line which you'll read in books like "How to Win Friends and Influence People". :D :D
If this thread was discussed 5000 years ago, it would probably be "Big axe vs Long Sword vs golden spear...." or something like that. The thing is, the feeling that one needs to wear a power watch or power tie or drive a power car to impress the other side has a historical root. In the past you bring to the negotiation table the longest sword, the sharpest knife, the most bloodied axe, the heaviest club etc to intimidate your opponents. Now fast forward 5,000 years to the present times, the carrying of such weapons to the negotiation table is unfortunately (or fortunately) no longer an acceptable practice (unless you are a member of the underworld) hence ordinary folks who cannot free themselves from the shackle of this practice from deep antiquity resort to wearing and driving what some may consider flashy to intimidate and impress. Now, this is not a criticism made against the TS. Let's be honest, most of us at some point of time resort to this, albeit maybe in another form or to a different degree.
Wow Hanz.. I am impressed too. Very well said. I shall remember to quote it when the right situation arises.
Lol Enkidu... That was so funny. It's like when a bare hands Kung fu master walks into a tavern, nobody would look twice at him (unless he is Wong Fei Hung or Cheung San Feng). But if another Kung fu master walks in with his Golden Broadsword entwined with jewelled dragon and other complications, he makes a grand impression. Or one with a fierce looking Flying Guillotine (makes me think of Tourbillon), the normal folks will be awed (though prob not to another WIS - reads wuxia idiot savant).
So... Like Godzillaz said... A nice recognisable luxury watch probably helps to some extent. After that, it's all up to your real Kung fu. And also depends on how one carries himself during conversations... if one comes across as trying hard to show off the watch, some ppl will be turned off.
But I digress... in my humble opinion, I am in the Rolex camp for TS's quest (although I am a fan of GS). Perhaps the classic Datejust with green markers might suit you? Managed to google one here... Like the 3rd one. Personally, am more of a Rolex sports fan but to each his own.
http://www.watchtime.com/wristwatch-industry-news/watches/rolex-updates-the-classic-datejust/#
Do what pleases you... All the best in your business venture and stay around in the forums. :Cheers: :Cheers:
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DPKONG....
Not that I know off Malaysia Company allowed to spent luxury on car...... becoz is a add back after RM 150K the rest taxable.... with limitation rules and regulation like number of director..... and number of car.....
Correct me if I am wrong.......
Is leasing no longer allowed? ;)
Is still leasing for period of 5 year; however for maximum of 150K only; or 30K per year basis.....;
Example: If you buy a BMW for 250K....you can claim for tax exemption 30K per year up to 5 years 150k max the balance is add back to your profit and taxable..... this only valid for new car and subject number of director
Old 2nd hand car only max 50k claimable;
Sometime staff complaint celaka boss said company making no profit and still can buy a Toureg for his own; and boss said can reduce tax mar..... partly bullshit.... becoz he can only claim 30k per year the rest 420K will be taxable (if the car price 450k)....; of coz he can reduce another 30k company profit next year up to 5 years....
Thus why the reason a lot company only buy company car at range of Accord, Camry........
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A dumb question.........
Anyone can advise how to add picture.... sorry I just newbie here......
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A dumb question.........
Anyone can advise how to add picture.... sorry I just newbie here......
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php/topic,1228.0.html
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(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y443/soonaikz/10ecfdad-4d9e-45ff-8b07-b65208ef283f_zps9e2eb7e6.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/soonaikz/media/10ecfdad-4d9e-45ff-8b07-b65208ef283f_zps9e2eb7e6.jpg.html)
Finally Just bought it from MV.......;
My wife nearly poison me to get a DJII rhodium diamond with 18K plated... for 30K......
My inner self tell me to stick back to the original plan with is max 25K.....
I get it for less than my budget......
Free gift - Garden Club Member, Rolex BOX + 2 mineral water.....
Thanks dpkong...... for giving info how to upload....
Someday we should come out for drinks.........
:Cheers:
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Congratulation..... Nice catch...
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Nice watch :thumbsup:.. Congrats, a happy ending indeed!! Or is this a start of happy journey? One is a lonely number, afterall.. ;D
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Yay!!
Happy ending.
Finally got the Rolex...
Congratz on your purchase and hope your business will flourish to the next level!
Cheers!! :thumbsup:
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ya.. this forum is really poison.. one watch is just the start. :Blue:
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Congrats man!
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congrats :Cheers:
but everyday wear same watch can be quite boring rite ::)
u ever heard of the "holy trinity" :Dancing_banana:
something to look forward to heheh..
http://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/watch-collection/royal-oak
http://www.patek.com/contents/default/en/nautilus_men.html
http://www.vacheron-constantin.com/en/watches/overseas
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Congratulations!. Happy ending after 126 replies and 1400 views. Depending on how you look at it, this just closes the chapter on this purchase but starts another with possibly no end in sight.....good or bad? That warrants another thread.
Enjoy your watch and hope it brings in much business! :Cheers:
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quoted from : kenixck
I know a watch chain owner with 50+ outlets wearing a Casio and his dad a Seiko5.
They don't drive Kancil of course because of safety issue.
Yes we all come from different backgrounds but I choose to work under a mentor rather than a scrooge boss.
And I believe in sharing the wealth and I do show my staff how to make money and save their earnings.
Many of them with potential, I make them my future partners, as one man can't do all.
The problem with society is there are too many rich selfish businessman who keeps all the profit for themselves.
Once you deemed yourself wearing a watch as a form of superiority, that means you are still living in the old era.
Be a boss (which I'm sure you am), that treat your staff as assets, rather than a slave.
maybe we are mostly weirdos here, aren't we ?
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There is more truth than poetry in what you said above.
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Congrats bro.
Good choice in the Rollie. I truly believe this will just be the start.. haha
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quoted from : kenixck
I know a watch chain owner with 50+ outlets wearing a Casio and his dad a Seiko5.
They don't drive Kancil of course because of safety issue.
Yes we all come from different backgrounds but I choose to work under a mentor rather than a scrooge boss.
And I believe in sharing the wealth and I do show my staff how to make money and save their earnings.
Many of them with potential, I make them my future partners, as one man can't do all.
The problem with society is there are too many rich selfish businessman who keeps all the profit for themselves.
Once you deemed yourself wearing a watch as a form of superiority, that means you are still living in the old era.
Be a boss (which I'm sure you am), that treat your staff as assets, rather than a slave.
maybe we are mostly weirdos here, aren't we ?
There is more truth than poetry in what you said above.
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Chinaman style don't work for me.....; I resigned my previous job becoz of the your stated condition - selfish ex-boss;
For this forum and they way I sent my massage.... many knew I am a type of willing to share knowledge.... I don't mind to teach my staff how to make money......; I am more than happy to do so as looking for replacement of my place then I can do something else and retired at the age of 45;
I paying my staff "personnel insurance" (not company group medical); any company out there doing the same???
don't mix up? personnel and company insurance is two different thing with big different.......
Did I sound like slaving my staff???
and wearing in the from superiority doesn't meant live in old era.....; Why not ask YTL or IOI or yokogawa boss wear Bata shoes; cheatah T-shirt, deeper and maybe casio watch to work......
Is because the job requirement or nature of business work.......
Tell me would you follow a boss whom drive only kancil, wear bata shoes, suave shirt........; is there any doubt that he can lead you to better future.....????? or maybe yourself satisfied with what the boss own......
Think for yourself........
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I stand to be corrected. With your budget (25k?), I reckon you can actually go for Ulysse? - since you are going for simple dial.
I might be wrong though. good luck!
Ulysse Nardin Freak...... is so Freaking Good.... but too expensive to own.............
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quoted from : kenixck
I know a watch chain owner with 50+ outlets wearing a Casio and his dad a Seiko5.
They don't drive Kancil of course because of safety issue.
Yes we all come from different backgrounds but I choose to work under a mentor rather than a scrooge boss.
And I believe in sharing the wealth and I do show my staff how to make money and save their earnings.
Many of them with potential, I make them my future partners, as one man can't do all.
The problem with society is there are too many rich selfish businessman who keeps all the profit for themselves.
Once you deemed yourself wearing a watch as a form of superiority, that means you are still living in the old era.
Be a boss (which I'm sure you am), that treat your staff as assets, rather than a slave.
maybe we are mostly weirdos here, aren't we ?
There is more truth than poetry in what you said above.
Chinaman style don't work for me.....; I resigned my previous job becoz of the your stated condition - selfish ex-boss;
For this forum and they way I sent my massage.... many knew I am a type of willing to share knowledge.... I don't mind to teach my staff how to make money......; I am more than happy to do so as looking for replacement of my place then I can do something else and retired at the age of 45;
I paying my staff "personnel insurance" (not company group medical); any company out there doing the same???
don't mix up? personnel and company insurance is two different thing with big different.......
Did I sound like slaving my staff???
and wearing in the from superiority doesn't meant live in old era.....; Why not ask YTL or IOI or yokogawa boss wear Bata shoes; cheatah T-shirt, deeper and maybe casio watch to work......
Is because the job requirement or nature of business work.......
Tell me would you follow a boss whom drive only kancil, wear bata shoes, suave shirt........; is there any doubt that he can lead you to better future.....????? or maybe yourself satisfied with what the boss own......
Think for yourself........
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Actually, to tell you the truth, what my boss wear or drive is not my problem.
As long as my needs are fulfilled, my compensation ample and he is fair to the employees.
Wether or not he can lead me to a better future does not show in what clothes he wear or what car he drives.
Some ppl just have different wants.
This discussion actually covers a broad spectrum of views.
Not to say your view is skewed, it's just different.
It's not wrong to judge a person by the outlook at 1st glance.
But in time, the true qualities will show irregardless.
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Congrats bro.
Good choice in the Rollie. I truly believe this will just be the start.. haha
already get myself a Rolex...
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congrats! wear in good health....
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(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y443/soonaikz/10ecfdad-4d9e-45ff-8b07-b65208ef283f_zps9e2eb7e6.jpg) (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/soonaikz/media/10ecfdad-4d9e-45ff-8b07-b65208ef283f_zps9e2eb7e6.jpg.html)
Finally Just bought it from MV.......;
My wife nearly poison me to get a DJII rhodium diamond with 18K plated... for 30K......
My inner self tell me to stick back to the original plan with is max 25K.....
I get it for less than my budget......
Free gift - Garden Club Member, Rolex BOX + 2 mineral water.....
Thanks dpkong...... for giving info how to upload....
Someday we should come out for drinks.........
:Cheers:
congrats bro... good to have pride in what you do and reward yourself :Cheers: :Cheers: :Cheers:
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Beautifully done. Amazing watch and wear it in good health.
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Every 1 buy watches with different purpose
Every 1 wear watches with different purpose
So u clear y u wanna buy, go for it
So u like it, go for it
Last week in a meeting room
Between a tan sri and his staffs with a Malaysian most famous architect and his staffs
The tan Sri and the architect both wearing swatch battery powered plastic watch
While on their staffs' wrist - hublot king power, pam111, Rolex dj, tissot...
IOI tan Sri wearing steel dayto all the time... His younger son gshock all the time...
I do think watch is personal, the 2 tan Sri in my office
1 always with old titanium porche Iwc
Another with few p.phillipe
For us who love watches... Watches we owned can be more valuable than the car... Or even property....
Anyway, congrats the thread starter on the new purchase...
Can afford a watch, can afford a Rolex very good...
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^Tan Sri Chris hehe... :laugh:
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^Tan Sri Chris hehe... :laugh:
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
I don't even hv pjk ppn....
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congrats...wear it in good health....never go wrong with rollie...good choice..
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Very nice watch! The blue lume on the arabic numbers is beautiful!
BTW, the 18k gold on Rolex is not all plated. The links and bezel are solid 18k and the oyster clasp has a very thick gold plate fused to the steel.
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Most interesting thread.. wonder if TS upgraded his rollie..
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