Rolex vs Grand Seiko vs Panerai......

[terrenceterrence]

Kennot lar. Industry standard kena maintain. Still have the uncles, brothers, and little ponies to take care.

[Empty Tree 8]

I think I found the solution to your need to get a bit of mileage for your business while rewarding yourself.

Amend the Memorandum of Articles of your company to include watch trading. That way you can buy the timepiece with pre-tax dollars and save at whatever tax bracket that you get assessed at. Good idea no?   

* free tax advice for the day

[soonaikz]

I think I found the solution to your need to get a bit of mileage for your business while rewarding yourself.

Amend the Memorandum of Articles of your company to include watch trading. That way you can buy the timepiece with pre-tax dollars and save at whatever tax bracket that you get assessed at. Good idea no?   

* free tax advice for the day

You can claim as a gift to client company anniversary event or reward to staff under your tax column ..... but approve or not approve is not another issue.... the auditor will advise you......

[swleong]

Gosh! The LV monogram belt must be one of the fugliest thing ever invented.

Reminds me of ah beng, ah Seng and DaiLok brothers.

Not the prettiest thing on earth, but for 'straight to your face' impact, not many things now can beat the LV monogram + gold buckle (except those 90s Gianni Versace belts, i can still remember)   

[ivanswk]

^ dun play play, i wear that for my wedding photo 

[kenixck]

Get a Rolex Submariner Date Ceramic, safe first purchase, easy to offload, good resale velue, not too bling, ceramic bezel good scratch proof material as sometimes you need to get hands on works.

Paired with a Mont Blanc ball pen, black plastic frame Ray-Ban spectacles, white Polo Ralph Lauren long sleeve shirt, LV Monogram belt, not too baggy piece of pant, a pair of clean polish black shoes and you are good to 'join' the 'entry level' business development gang.

this is as cliche as it gets ..... (sad but true).


Is a good choice....with SubC + a Mont Blanc pen....; I think that will do..... The rest I think too much......;

But Sub C is not my choice as I dont fancy sport version......

[dennis.T]

Kennot!!!!!!

Bespoke and well made shoes siapa tau? Not power enough.

It's nothing without big arse labels and logos. So labels on sleeves of the Zegnas and Hugos cannot be removed and shoes must only be Ferragamo. Like dat only ppl would know, and only like dat it's worth your money spent.

Many may not agree with me, but I believe car & watches.... is a tools to bring your business to next level........

is not just car and watches, it is the whole package.
Bespoke clothing, well made shoe, presentable look and well a hot model GF 
is a lifetstyle 

damn... i suppose to wear my fArragamo to meet you last night...so i can show u i am powderful wei...

Boss Soonaikz,
just dress neat and tidy and it will bring your biz to next level..your principal are more interested on how well you know about their product and how you market them...not how you market yourself...no offense just my 2 cents

[kenixck]

I say ditch all of the above and get an IWC 3717
with both steel and leather straps.

and sell to me when you plan to upgrade 

[Yikkie]

Well...sometimes...wearing your best (suited to the occasion) can also bring out the best in a person. It gives you more confidence when you know that you are also looking your best. Remember that 1st impression is very important and you might have brought your best but the client might think otherwise from your less than best appearance. 

[JPSP]

If your are in engineering business......;

Socialize with your client do happen and is a basic for the nature of business.........; when socialize... beside politic, women - conversation talk about luxury good sometime do come across......;

When you don't own it..... but your talk about it like pro..... people will think your are bullshitier......

When you own something..... you can impress people..........

When you socialize with client and you wear casio..... I think it would funny to talk about how your casio.....

Unlike Lee Ka Shing....... He is a well known rich people.......; He do not need wearing luxury to impress....

as for me, I still nobody to a lot people that I already knew or just know......

If having a conversation with your client......"Hei What your casio movement"..........??     ....... it that funny in Business Talk???

For me the right luxury item is some kind of tool to impress, buy confident level and plus point...........; is like a mentality game, people more confident with what you talk or bullshit..... becoz subconsciously... tell us you are someone otherwise you can't afford to buy such good.......

It like how people impress when I tell my friend or client a story about "How I manage to exchange my new rubbish volvo (driving for months only) to volkwagen" without losing much money that I paid......

Yes people do impress on my true story.......;

Owning a luxury and bring on table always a plus point when needed......; Owning a Ferari right now I consider too much due to much nature of business.... where I think Ferari most suitable if your in Investor games.......

Just Sharing.....

     

friend, while I admire your honesty about why you need a watch - general association of a person's status and what he owns but it's always a no-no in business talk about what one owns/wears (rule of thumb). if you wear more expensive watch than your customers, u risk "insulting" them (wah Mr X u wear a Rolex, why not you try an AP like mine?). If you wear something less expensive, it seems like you're bullshitting when you talk like a pro (like what you pointed out). It's ok to wear a casio and say you read somewhere that this watch movement has some reviews and position it like you want to know their views. You won't be seen as bullshitting. There're a lot of things we don't know.

In all my business conversations - casual topics are better off talking about their families, their holidays, property prices, views about some news already carried by the media and a genuine display of sincerity of knowing them personally. "Comparing or showing off" material wealth seems very inappropriate.

[JPSP]

Get a Rolex Submariner Date Ceramic, safe first purchase, easy to offload, good resale velue, not too bling, ceramic bezel good scratch proof material as sometimes you need to get hands on works.

Paired with a Mont Blanc ball pen, black plastic frame Ray-Ban spectacles, white Polo Ralph Lauren long sleeve shirt, LV Monogram belt, not too baggy piece of pant, a pair of clean polish black shoes and you are good to 'join' the 'entry level' business development gang.

Not good enough la...i'll take you seriously only if you wear:

1. Giorgio Armani Suit - Asian cut
2. E.Zegna shirt
3. Alfred Dunhill cufflinks and tie
4. Berluti shoes (that costs more than an omega watch)
5. Hermes belt
6. Alfred Dunhill briefcase
7. D&G shades
8. Montblanc pen - limited edition ones only, with their leather pen holder and namecard holder
9. Vertu touchscreen phone
10. Bvlgari WG/RG ring
11. Richard Mille 10 watch
12. Porsche car keys sticking out of your pocket

 

[takashi78]

Then you gotta be the alpha male hahahahaha

[dennis.T]

Get a Rolex Submariner Date Ceramic, safe first purchase, easy to offload, good resale velue, not too bling, ceramic bezel good scratch proof material as sometimes you need to get hands on works.

Paired with a Mont Blanc ball pen, black plastic frame Ray-Ban spectacles, white Polo Ralph Lauren long sleeve shirt, LV Monogram belt, not too baggy piece of pant, a pair of clean polish black shoes and you are good to 'join' the 'entry level' business development gang.

Not good enough la...i'll take you seriously only if you wear:

1. Giorgio Armani Suit - Asian cut
2. E.Zegna shirt
3. Alfred Dunhill cufflinks and tie
4. Berlutti shoes (that costs more than an omega watch)
5. Hermes belt
6. Alfred Dunhill briefcase
7. D&G shades
8. Montblanc pen - limited edition ones only, with their leather pen holder and namecard holder
9. Vertu touchscreen phone
10. Bvlgari WG/RG ring
11. Richard Mille 10 watch
12. Porsche car keys sticking out of your pocket

 

Please allow me to add one more item - Bottega Veneta wrist band...and change the Richard Mille 10 to 30 then that is marvelous...my Ex-GM signing billions worth contract with $2 pen only with Casio on his wrist...

[terrenceterrence]

Ahhhh.....The legendary and world famous Hermes Man. A true Malaysian superhero.

Then you gotta be the alpha male hahahahaha

[Enkidu]

Not good enough la...i'll take you seriously only if you wear:

1. Giorgio Armani Suit - Asian cut
2. E.Zegna shirt
3. Alfred Dunhill cufflinks and tie
4. Berlutti shoes (that costs more than an omega watch)
5. Hermes belt
6. Alfred Dunhill briefcase
7. D&G shades
8. Montblanc pen - limited edition ones only, with their leather pen holder and namecard holder
9. Vertu touchscreen phone
10. Bvlgari WG/RG ring
11. Richard Mille 10 watch
12. Porsche car keys sticking out of your pocket

 

Hey James, you forgot something....his underwear. Designer also?

[swleong]

Not good enough la...i'll take you seriously only if you wear:

1. Giorgio Armani Suit - Asian cut
2. E.Zegna shirt
3. Alfred Dunhill cufflinks and tie
4. Berlutti shoes (that costs more than an omega watch)
5. Hermes belt
6. Alfred Dunhill briefcase
7. D&G shades
8. Montblanc pen - limited edition ones only, with their leather pen holder and namecard holder
9. Vertu touchscreen phone
10. Bvlgari WG/RG ring
11. Richard Mille 10 watch
12. Porsche car keys sticking out of your pocket

 

Hey James, you forgot something....his underwear. Designer also?

That should be a piece of Haute Couture undie by Saint Laurent Paris...

[dpkong]

If your are in engineering business......;

Socialize with your client do happen and is a basic for the nature of business.........; when socialize... beside politic, women - conversation talk about luxury good sometime do come across......;

When you don't own it..... but your talk about it like pro..... people will think your are bullshitier......

When you own something..... you can impress people..........

When you socialize with client and you wear casio..... I think it would funny to talk about how your casio.....

Unlike Lee Ka Shing....... He is a well known rich people.......; He do not need wearing luxury to impress....

as for me, I still nobody to a lot people that I already knew or just know......

If having a conversation with your client......"Hei What your casio movement"..........??     ....... it that funny in Business Talk???

For me the right luxury item is some kind of tool to impress, buy confident level and plus point...........; is like a mentality game, people more confident with what you talk or bullshit..... becoz subconsciously... tell us you are someone otherwise you can't afford to buy such good.......

It like how people impress when I tell my friend or client a story about "How I manage to exchange my new rubbish volvo (driving for months only) to volkwagen" without losing much money that I paid......

Yes people do impress on my true story.......;

Owning a luxury and bring on table always a plus point when needed......; Owning a Ferari right now I consider too much due to much nature of business.... where I think Ferari most suitable if your in Investor games.......

Just Sharing.....

     

You're 34+ and I think you need new friends. Come join a GTG hopefully coming up next weekend. You will get to see many different types of watches and the conversation will not be about comparing who wears the most expensive watch, makes the most money or has the longest and biggest d**k.

If you must buy a Rolex, the sports models (which you do not want) are the ones which hold their values better. The DJ II drops in value much more. Just compare the pre-owned prices. And while getting the Submariner is always the advice given, it is the one that is most seen on people's wrist, the one you would buy if you don't know which one to buy.

Maybe just up the budget to 50k so you can get the watch you really like so no need to upgrade later.

[soonaikz]

diferent perception, diferent point of view.... It a very subjective matter

Anyway i believe material goods do bring a plus point into business....

Wearing more expensive or less expensive in front of client... Shouldnt be a big issue... Becoz he is my client and not work for me, if he or she work work for me... It may be a issue..... Maybe...

Same group people tend exchange more info with same group of people....., that the reason most bosses dont tell thier staff how they make money..... Especially thier staff

Why majority of business owner spending on luxury good.... Ya true enough people may think show off do come into picture...  But i believe without realising is a tools of businesses.....

Why many coperate company spend luxury on the company car... Well kancil do take them from point a to b...

You be the judge.... Madarin oriental hotel is my ex-company client.... I see number of  MERC park underground for thier VVIP guest......

What will happen if the transport is a kancil...... Kaboom reputation finish.....

If you ex-GM can sign a billion contract... I dont believe she have only casio watch and maybe drive a small little kancil for work.....

Unless he signed a rupee indo contract.....

Just my tot for sharing..... 

[dpkong]

diferent perception, diferent point of view.... It a very subjective matter

Anyway i believe material goods do bring a plus point into business....

Wearing more expensive or less expensive in front of client... Shouldnt be a big issue... Becoz he is my client and not work for me, if he or she work work for me... It may be a issue..... Maybe...

Same group people tend exchange more info with same group of people....., that the reason most bosses dont tell thier staff how they make money..... Especially thier staff

Why majority of business owner spending on luxury good.... Ya true enough people may think show off do come into picture...  But i believe without realising is a tools of businesses.....

Why many coperate company spend luxury on the company car... Well kancil do take them from point a to b...

You be the judge.... Madarin oriental hotel is my ex-company client.... I see number of  MERC park underground for thier VVIP guest......

What will happen if the transport is a kancil...... Kaboom reputation finish.....

If you ex-GM can sign a billion contract... I dont believe she have only casio watch and maybe drive a small little kancil for work.....

Unless he signed a rupee indo contract.....

Just my tot for sharing..... 

Material goods don't actually bring a plus point into business. Maybe you aren't reading the previous threads. Material goods should be for self-satisfaction. Once you are satisfied (and happy), you should be surrounded by positive aura (or chi) and that will project a positive image. Sometimes a Casio can also give someone satisfaction. And that positive and confident image is what gets you business. As an example, my friend's father who is very wealthy, loves to collect land titles. He dresses in old Chinaman style (ala terrenceterrence style), no watch, slippers but gets lots of construction work. I think he signs contracts with pens provided by clients.

What's wrong if your employee is able to afford expensive items provided it wasn't stolen from your company? Maybe he has rich in-laws or a big inheritance?

The old concept on trying to keep employees in the dark doesn't work anymore. Good employers will teach good employees how to make money. After all, it's the employees that make the company, not you the boss. Without employees, you are no boss at all. Employees need to know how to generate income for the company or else where would their salaries come from? Ever heard of motivation, not with a BIG stick please!

Companies spend money on luxury company cars because it is an allowable tax deduction via leasing. Spend the money or pay tax on it, you choose. Maybe you need a new auditor? And hotels provide luxury cars for the VVIP guest as a service to high-paying clients. It's a necessity else why is it called a service industry.

You really need to mix with a new crowd.... 

[r3kahsttub]

This thread has turned from a "which watch should I buy" to a "why I should buy an expensive xxx".

I see a lot of good, relevant responses in here, but none seem to be a satisfactory answer, so I'm not sure what sort of reply TS is looking for. Imo, TS should stick to a Rolex of his choice, within his budget. Good enough to wow general public, and yet can still bring enough self satisfaction. Surely go well with the 250k Merc too, brotha.

[takashi78]

Well to be blunt, this thread has kinda turned out to be the TS finding a justification to buy his Rolex.

From all his replies it seems he just wants the status and the name.

Get a Rolex, be done with it.

[nuartogel]

Buying a watch plainly to impress others, not because of the watch? Pity...

[soonaikz]

Ya topic a bit out ......

Well Most likely I will settle with Rolex DJ II Rhodium Arabic

 

[gapnap]

TBH , i have many friends who thinks like TS .
This kinda thinking "luxury goods are credibility tools" is pretty common.

Its just that TS created a thread in "MWF" which so happen the majority of people here are more "passion minded" . Not status minded. 

[kenixck]

diferent perception, diferent point of view.... It a very subjective matter

Anyway i believe material goods do bring a plus point into business....

Wearing more expensive or less expensive in front of client... Shouldnt be a big issue... Becoz he is my client and not work for me, if he or she work work for me... It may be a issue..... Maybe...

Same group people tend exchange more info with same group of people....., that the reason most bosses dont tell thier staff how they make money..... Especially thier staff

Why majority of business owner spending on luxury good.... Ya true enough people may think show off do come into picture...  But i believe without realising is a tools of businesses.....

Why many coperate company spend luxury on the company car... Well kancil do take them from point a to b...

You be the judge.... Madarin oriental hotel is my ex-company client.... I see number of  MERC park underground for thier VVIP guest......

What will happen if the transport is a kancil...... Kaboom reputation finish.....

If you ex-GM can sign a billion contract... I dont believe she have only casio watch and maybe drive a small little kancil for work.....

Unless he signed a rupee indo contract.....

Just my tot for sharing..... 

Material goods don't actually bring a plus point into business. Maybe you aren't reading the previous threads. Material goods should be for self-satisfaction. Once you are satisfied (and happy), you should be surrounded by positive aura (or chi) and that will project a positive image. Sometimes a Casio can also give someone satisfaction. And that positive and confident image is what gets you business. As an example, my friend's father who is very wealthy, loves to collect land titles. He dresses in old Chinaman style (ala terrenceterrence style), no watch, slippers but gets lots of construction work. I think he signs contracts with pens provided by clients.

What's wrong if your employee is able to afford expensive items provided it wasn't stolen from your company? Maybe he has rich in-laws or a big inheritance?

The old concept on trying to keep employees in the dark doesn't work anymore. Good employers will teach good employees how to make money. After all, it's the employees that make the company, not you the boss. Without employees, you are no boss at all. Employees need to know how to generate income for the company or else where would their salaries come from? Ever heard of motivation, not with a BIG stick please!

Companies spend money on luxury company cars because it is an allowable tax deduction via leasing. Spend the money or pay tax on it, you choose. Maybe you need a new auditor? And hotels provide luxury cars for the VVIP guest as a service to high-paying clients. It's a necessity else why is it called a service industry.

You really need to mix with a new crowd.... 

I know a watch chain owner with 50+ outlets wearing a Casio and his dad a Seiko5.
They don't drive Kancil of course because of safety issue.
Yes we all come from different backgrounds but I choose to work under a mentor rather than a scrooge boss.
And I believe in sharing the wealth and I do show my staff how to make money and save their earnings.
Many of them with potential, I make them my future partners, as one man can't do all.
The problem with society is there are too many rich selfish businessman who keeps all the profit for themselves.
Once you deemed yourself wearing a watch as a form of superiority, that means you are still living in the old era.
Be a boss (which I'm sure you am), that treat your staff as assets, rather than a slave.

maybe we are mostly weirdos here, aren't we ?