Which watch brand has got the strongest following?

[chrisyen]

The brand that is selling the most watches to date, 1 from the Swiss manu ,the other from the far East. Like the saying goes , 'good wine need no push' ... Just my opinion. tony...

Swatch n seiko ?

[tonykpk]

Its the rollie Chris.

[Enkidu]

Its the rollie Chris.

Probably a tussle between Seiko and Rolex. Seiko seems to have something for everyone at all levels, and vintage seikos from the 1960s and 1970s especially have their unique retro appeal. Rolex will always be Rolex. As many of you know TZ alone has 2 Rolex "sub-fora". One for modern, the other for vintage. And they are both probably the most active fora in TZ.

[chrisyen]

Its the rollie Chris.

But how can rollie sold more than swatch in terms of quantity !!!

[STT1987]

"Gaze into the abyss long enough and the abyss will gaze back into you" - Nietzsche

For the haters and bashers (Kennypane and Hanz) that can't seem to let go of it, what this means that if you fixate and hate something long enough, and throw in an unhealthy dose of spiritual loneliness for intelligent, warmhearted, cosmic neighbors, the metaphorical abyss will turn and become part of you. It won't really be gazing back into you. But you will have created a mirror in your mind that will swallow you. I paraphrased that while looking up the saying. It's not even about the merits (or the lack of) of the watch brand anymore - you've fixated on the people. It's not healthy and you guys are coming across as nutty as the people you hate on.

A lot of time and energy writing on a brand and it's fans that you purportedly hate... I love my Breitlings but I don't spend as much time on it as some of you guys spend bashing Panerai and it's fans.


The truth.
    

[Kennypane]

You got it wrong my friend. I don't dislike or hate or bash those who wear Panerais or love Panerais. The reason I started this thread is after what I read when Hanz posed a question and the feedback which was obtained. And it was made worst when zameen revealed Hanz as a troll and told his community friends Hanz was from MWF. To me own countrymen to do that is wrong. Thanks for your advice anyways. I love Panerai and it's watches.

[tonykpk]

Its the rollie Chris.

But how can rollie sold more than swatch in terms of quantity !!!

Chris i think i should be more precise , sorry just mechanical . regards tony

[STT1987]

You got it wrong my friend. I don't dislike or hate or bash those who wear Panerais or love Panerais. The reason I started this thread is after what I read when Hanz posed a question and the feedback which was obtained. And it was made worst when zameen revealed Hanz as a troll and told his community friends Hanz was from MWF. To me own countrymen to do that is wrong. Thanks for your advice anyways. I love Panerai and it's watches.

I read that thread and had a good laugh. P.com has the worst forum software ever. Anyways, as I see it 1/3 of it was Hanz arguing with the moderator over rules and procedures. No one was flaming him directly, in fact a lot of friendly ristis were providing useful information about how to get the best deal out of boutiques - as related to his original question which was allowed to be posted in full. Some of the ristis helping were even from MWF. Selective reading on my part I guess, but I wasn't seeing a nasty thread over there, quite the opposite in fact. As for a MWF bro calling him out as a troll, I can understand how that assessment can be made based on his previous posts here. After that, people just stopped talking in that thread, no flames directed at Hanz that I could see even then. He wasn't banned and he is still free to make any posts at the place.

You guys see what you want to see. If you are determined to see frothing rabid baby eating RISTIS because it fits the narrative in your mind, so be it. In all fairness, I just don't see what you say happened in the thread.

[tonykpk]

Its the rollie Chris.

Probably a tussle between Seiko and Rolex. Seiko seems to have something for everyone at all levels, and vintage seikos from the 1960s and 1970s especially have their unique retro appeal. Rolex will always be Rolex. As many of you know TZ alone has 2 Rolex "sub-fora". One for modern, the other for vintage. And they are both probably the most active fora in TZ.

Your right Enkidu, Many people  started with Seiko ( including me). I still remember the chronograph from seiko in the late 60's. Another soft spot i have is the classic un abused rollie 1803, but of course i prefer the modern ones with less hassle..regards tony..

[Kennypane]

STT1987, Panerai like any other brands out there should be allowed to discuss in their forums or even opinionated upon about quality, service, or anything related to their watches. I guess P.com is never a forum to tolerate such discussion and all things are good there governed by a set of rules to not discuss the negative side of things. Let it be. 

[Kennypane]

Dear all, just a question. Do we measure "following" by the quantity of watches sold? Take Rolex or even Seiko for example. Rolex may sell a million pieces a year but only a very small minority discuss and talk about them like we do here.

Whereas the majority buy them to wear only. Period. Because they believe in Rolex being THE watch. So, we can then discount the fact that there is no following here. They simply buy A Rolex watch, put on the wrist and go about their daily lives. Unlike those in VRF or any Rolex forums, they actually get fixated, passionate, and discuss...on a daily basis.

Same as Seiko low or high range, they buy an entry level automatic. Or they buy GS, but that does not mean they follow the brand. One buys GS because he has been informed that GS is produced like a Samurai sword. QUALITY.

As for Panerai, I believe close to 90% of the owners of Panerai watches, after buying, actually follow the brand further, join forums, discuss, blah blah blah. There is a very strong following for the brand. This is what I earlier meant by "following".

True?

[STT1987]

Rolex still wins hands down on all criterias.
Rolex has a huge online community as well as an off-line one.

Casio with their G-Shocks would also appear to be a good candidate. A big enough following to have specialty magazines dedicated to them in Japan? Phew! 

Don't mistake a vocal internet community as representing "all" of the following.

Edit: add Casio

[hanz079]

@Kenny

Actually I have already let go of my little episode.
There is no point taking this any further.
My blog have already said all that needs to be said about this incident.
I have come to realize p.com as a lifestyle forum, being as passionate as they are... I guess outsiders like me just wouldn't understand.
I am into watches for my love of watches, not the lifestyle that it entails.

"Gaze into the abyss long enough and the abyss will gaze back into you" - Nietzsche

For the haters and bashers (Kennypane and Hanz) that can't seem to let go of it, what this means that if you fixate and hate something long enough, and throw in an unhealthy dose of spiritual loneliness for intelligent, warmhearted, cosmic neighbors, the metaphorical abyss will turn and become part of you. It won't really be gazing back into you. But you will have created a mirror in your mind that will swallow you. I paraphrased that while looking up the saying. It's not even about the merits (or the lack of) of the watch brand anymore - you've fixated on the people. It's not healthy and you guys are coming across as nutty as the people you hate on.

A lot of time and energy writing on a brand and it's fans that you purportedly hate... I love my Breitlings but I don't spend as much time on it as some of you guys spend bashing Panerai and it's fans.


The truth.
    

Unfortunately I am not as well versed as to understand the above post.
But, it's ok.
There's always 2 sides of the coin.
Just for clarification, I do not hate Panerai watches.
But I do hate ristis. (this sentence here may soon be taken out of context)
And as I have said it many times before, there are ristis and there are RISTIS.
I am honestly hard pressed to know which is which.
After this little incident, I sure know better now.

Somehow, people have to understand that whatever experiences we go thru in this hobby is a very personal one.
No one is born hating a brand or a community, something have got to sway a person to form certain opinions on a particular brand or community, don't you think?
Unfortunately, there is only so much that one can share in a forum.

And to keep this thread from becoming off topic, let's just keep the discussions that this thread is meant to discuss. Thanks.

[TheHobbit]

As for Panerai, I believe close to 90% of the owners of Panerai watches, after buying, actually follow the brand further, join forums, discuss, blah blah blah. There is a very strong following for the brand. This is what I earlier meant by "following".

True?

90% is a pretty high figure. Somehow I don't think the percentage is that high if you consider the number of people that join forums, discuss etc etc. Could be lots lower. I believe (stand corrected in this) the number of people that 'applied' for THAT pam was around 3,000. Considering Panerai produces about 35,000 (I am sure it is much higher) a year, and they have been commercially around for 15 years, the percentage is pretty small.

I know of many collectors who do follow the brand but do not participate in the brand forums. Some just collect because they like the watch, some like the history, while some just go with the flow.

[TheHobbit]

@Kenny

Actually I have already let go of my little episode.
There is no point taking this any further.
My blog have already said all that needs to be said about this incident.
I have come to realize p.com as a lifestyle forum, being as passionate as they are... I guess outsiders like me just wouldn't understand.
I am into watches for my love of watches, not the lifestyle that it entails.

"Gaze into the abyss long enough and the abyss will gaze back into you" - Nietzsche

For the haters and bashers (Kennypane and Hanz) that can't seem to let go of it, what this means that if you fixate and hate something long enough, and throw in an unhealthy dose of spiritual loneliness for intelligent, warmhearted, cosmic neighbors, the metaphorical abyss will turn and become part of you. It won't really be gazing back into you. But you will have created a mirror in your mind that will swallow you. I paraphrased that while looking up the saying. It's not even about the merits (or the lack of) of the watch brand anymore - you've fixated on the people. It's not healthy and you guys are coming across as nutty as the people you hate on.

A lot of time and energy writing on a brand and it's fans that you purportedly hate... I love my Breitlings but I don't spend as much time on it as some of you guys spend bashing Panerai and it's fans.


The truth.
    

Unfortunately I am not as well versed as to understand the above post.
But, it's ok.
There's always 2 sides of the coin.
Just for clarification, I do not hate Panerai watches.
But I do hate ristis. (this sentence here may soon be taken out of context)
And as I have said it many times before, there are ristis and there are RISTIS.
I am honestly hard pressed to know which is which.
After this little incident, I sure know better now.

Somehow, people have to understand that whatever experiences we go thru in this hobby is a very personal one.
No one is born hating a brand or a community, something have got to sway a person to form certain opinions on a particular brand or community, don't you think?
Unfortunately, there is only so much that one can share in a forum.

And to keep this thread from becoming off topic, let's just keep the discussions that this thread is meant to discuss. Thanks.

Hanz,

There is a need to separate the fan boys and the haters. It would be nice if we can have a thread discussing the brand and watches as it is without the fanboys and haters coming in. Mind you, it would be great for the fanboys to come in and tell us why they chose the brand or watches and what drew them to it (other then the community) and for the haters, why dislike the brand or watches (other then the community). Perhaps then, more can appreciate or not, the brand or watches.

[hanz079]

Ivan,

You read my mind there.
Somehow i find it rather amusing that whenever anything negative gets posted on pams, no effort if being put in to understand why...
I know my own reasons, yet i am still interested to find out what the other's reasons are.
As for the separating, I rather have a rough idea who is who now and am genuinely thankful.

[dpkong]

Hanz,

There is a need to separate the fan boys and the haters. It would be nice if we can have a thread discussing the brand and watches as it is without the fanboys and haters coming in. Mind you, it would be great for the fanboys to come in and tell us why they chose the brand or watches and what drew them to it (other then the community) and for the haters, why dislike the brand or watches (other then the community). Perhaps then, more can appreciate or not, the brand or watches.

You could never start a thread to talk about the pros and cons because anytime you mention the cons, someone will come in and hurl abusive language and and tell you how simple-minded you are.

Some people can quote very well and provide such quotes like "Gaze into the abyss long enough and the abyss will gaze back into you" - Nietzsche to make one feel so lowly educated, but show little class in their own behaviour.

Forums are populated by many kinds of people, some are there to get information and some are really passionate about a brand and some are just well, nice people out to give advice where needed. It's up to us who we wish to interact with.

Millions of watches are sold around the world every year. Most buyers would just buy a watch because they like how it looks or maybe because it's a Rolex or Patek or Audemars and wear it without looking in a forum.

I love my watches but I won't start foaming at the mouth and start hammering expletives on my keyboard, just because someone says a Daytona is useless without a date.

As to which brand has the strongest following, I'd wager it's Rolex. Nearly everyone knows what it is and almost everyone would love to have one, even if they deny it.

[Enkidu]

Your right Enkidu, Many people  started with Seiko ( including me). I still remember the chronograph from seiko in the late 60's. Another soft spot i have is the classic un abused rollie 1803, but of course i prefer the modern ones with less hassle..regards tony..

Yes, the chronos are very collectable indeed and attract a large fan base till today. I guess you are referring to the Cal. 6138 and Cal. 6139 chronographs. Great stuff actually. Although Zenith claims that the EP is the first automatic chronograph, I suspect the honour should have gone to Seiko. If I remember my seiko history correctly, the EP was announced to the press in Jan 1969, the seiko 6139 was already being mass produced and sold in April / May 1969. Knowing it usually take a while between development and mass production + sale, arguably the 6139 could have been developed earlier. A matter for more debate I am sure. 

 

[tonykpk]

Wah your memory on dates and figures are extra ordinary . I was still in primary school then . I saw the advertisement of the seiko chrono in a mag. while sitting on an Indian barber shop revolving chair. Thanks for refreshing my memory. regards tony..

Your right Enkidu, Many people  started with Seiko ( including me). I still remember the chronograph from seiko in the late 60's. Another soft spot i have is the classic un abused rollie 1803, but of course i prefer the modern ones with less hassle..regards tony..

Yes, the chronos are very collectable indeed and attract a large fan base till today. I guess you are referring to the Cal. 6138 and Cal. 6139 chronographs. Great stuff actually. Although Zenith claims that the EP is the first automatic chronograph, I suspect the honour should have gone to Seiko. If I remember my seiko history correctly, the EP was announced to the press in Jan 1969, the seiko 6139 was already being mass produced and sold in April / May 1969. Knowing it usually take a while between development and mass production + sale, arguably the 6139 could have been developed earlier. A matter for more debate I am sure. 

 

[TheHobbit]

Your right Enkidu, Many people  started with Seiko ( including me). I still remember the chronograph from seiko in the late 60's. Another soft spot i have is the classic un abused rollie 1803, but of course i prefer the modern ones with less hassle..regards tony..

Yes, the chronos are very collectable indeed and attract a large fan base till today. I guess you are referring to the Cal. 6138 and Cal. 6139 chronographs. Great stuff actually. Although Zenith claims that the EP is the first automatic chronograph, I suspect the honour should have gone to Seiko. If I remember my seiko history correctly, the EP was announced to the press in Jan 1969, the seiko 6139 was already being mass produced and sold in April / May 1969. Knowing it usually take a while between development and mass production + sale, arguably the 6139 could have been developed earlier. A matter for more debate I am sure. 

 

The Zenith El Primero was presented to the public on January 10, 1969, but was not commercially available. The Breitling Heuer Chronograph movement which was suppose to be presented in Basel 1969 was moved forward because of Zenith and was presented to the public on March 3, 1969. It too was not commercially available at that time. Seiko started shipping watches with chronograph movement in May 1969 and sales began in June 1969.

Zenith started in 1965, Breitling Heuer in 1966 and Seiko was last to start in 1967. Zenith was first to introduce the chronograph movement while Seiko was first to public.

[hanz079]

Your right Enkidu, Many people  started with Seiko ( including me). I still remember the chronograph from seiko in the late 60's. Another soft spot i have is the classic un abused rollie 1803, but of course i prefer the modern ones with less hassle..regards tony..

Yes, the chronos are very collectable indeed and attract a large fan base till today. I guess you are referring to the Cal. 6138 and Cal. 6139 chronographs. Great stuff actually. Although Zenith claims that the EP is the first automatic chronograph, I suspect the honour should have gone to Seiko. If I remember my seiko history correctly, the EP was announced to the press in Jan 1969, the seiko 6139 was already being mass produced and sold in April / May 1969. Knowing it usually take a while between development and mass production + sale, arguably the 6139 could have been developed earlier. A matter for more debate I am sure. 

 

The Zenith El Primero was presented to the public on January 10, 1969, but was not commercially available. The Breitling Heuer Chronograph movement which was suppose to be presented in Basel 1969 was moved forward because of Zenith and was presented to the public on March 3, 1969. It too was not commercially available at that time. Seiko started shipping watches with chronograph movement in May 1969 and sales began in June 1969.

Zenith started in 1965, Breitling Heuer in 1966 and Seiko was last to start in 1967. Zenith was first to introduce the chronograph movement while Seiko was first to public.

Wow... good info. Really puts things into perspective.

[sm]

my take:
if I were to read the question "strongest following?", it will definitely boils down to:
1. swatch
2. g shock
3. panerai
(not necessary in that order)
cos the followers will collect more than one piece of the brand. Probably it has got to do with the price though the latter brand comes in tens. The other reason is due to the age group (albeit there are exception).

The bigger brands like Rolex, AP, IWC etc cater for the slightly more mature people and usually this demographic of buyers do not go overboard with watches. They mellowed with age and enjoy the big boys' toys in a different manner. However it doesn't mean that they will stop at one or two, just that the purchases are based on a different set of criteria, meaning some rolex, AP, IWC and for those more endowed a couple of PP, Lange, RM etc.

We do not collect one brand on big numbers and be obsessed with it. We invoke the fine craft and mechanism of each and every brands. Like they say, to each its own.

sm

[Cocas]

It must be one of them. Seiko, or Rolex, or Panerai!

[asimo]

How about DW, seven Friday and hublot ,? Lolz


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[meoramri]

Why don't one of you create a survey to find out amongst MWF members?


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