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Offline chrisyen

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tegimented hard enough?
« on: January 02, 2010, 08:22:53 PM »




god!

Offline Fred

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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 07:38:03 AM »
 :o I feel hurt even not my watch. Tegimentation SS normally fairly scratch resistant, this is unusual.

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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 12:01:54 PM »
oh my god..what happened?? is this a test?
This is really unusual.
perhaps post this in the WUS and hear what they might have to say..
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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 04:32:47 PM »
Ough! I feel pain, for the watch  :'(

Offline takashi78

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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 05:27:15 AM »
If its done on purpose to test the toughness i dun see a problem there.

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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2010, 02:03:18 PM »
Sinn's tegiment process is a form of case hardening using gas carburizing technology. (Refer to here and here for more details). It is well known in metallurgy that steel can be surface hardened by the addition of carbon to the steel surface, a process called carburization. However the traditional carburization process when executed on stainless steel, reduces the chromium content which compromises the corrosion resistance of stainless steel.

Sinn is believed to use a more modern process in which the metal surface is first activated and carburization is done at a low enough temperature so that chromium content of SS is not lost through chromium carbide formation. This process allows Sinn tegimented watches to achieve surface hardness up to 4 times that of the steel core (1200 Vickers) without compromising on the corrosion resistance of the underlying SS. However the hardened surface is extremely thin ranging from 10micron to 50 microns. That leaves the case core beneath the hardened surface still remaining at the relative softness of the SS316L.

While the tegiment process makes the surface more resistant to light scratches, the watch is still not imprevious to hard knocks or dents. When a surface force is applied which exceeds the hardness of SS316L, the steel core will give way and a deep scratch will still occur despite the hardened surface. This is also commonly called the egg shell effect, because egg shells while being resistant to light scratches will still crack under pressure.

I believe Damasko uses a different process called ice hardening in which the whole watch case structure is hardened, instead of just the surface of the watch case. The ice hardening process normally involves heating the steel to its normalising temperature and quenching quickly to a sub zero temperature. Ice hardening changes the crystal structure of the steel itself, thereby hardening the whole watch case, albeit to a lower hardness of approx 800 Vickers. By hardening the whole case, the ice hardening process, in theory, eliminates the egg shell effect exhibited by tegimented watch cases. It is hard to say how ice hardened watch cases perform in the real world because Damasko watches are so hard to come by.

Maybe Chris will be adventurous enough to subject his Damasko watch to some kind of torture test and let us know the result.
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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2010, 04:38:45 PM »
I come across some review stating tegimented 316 has better scratch resistant than ice-hardened steel, the hardness comparable to ceramics. But, I do agree with Danny, the core damage so called egg shell effect reveal the weekness of tegimentation.

Since Sinn applies tegiment method, it would be interesting to have head to head comparison with ice-hardening Damasko.

Offline David_cheong

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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 12:06:08 PM »
The way I see it.

Paying top $$ for special process of metal / steel / ceramic / tegiment and whats not is marketing tools / talks.

I be better off paying for a standard 316L steel which I believe can last for a good reasonable period of time. And here, I am not keeping the watch for the next generation/s...given the popular phrase..."you never actually own a......"

A good example of picture of this "sinn' shown above proved otherwise. But then, how many of us subject our watches to these 'test'. I strongly believe  - under normal circumstances / wear, stainless steel case will last throughout our lifespan.

My 2 cents.
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« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 02:58:17 PM by David_cheong »
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Offline chrisyen

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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 01:12:52 PM »
i hv different view. i always like tough watch, where i can wear all day!
i like the hard case.... i dont hv to worry when i wear it... i do not like many scratches on my watch!
and harder case actually has harder screw thread for caseback n crown.... easier to handle it...
so i still very much like harder case, at least some kind of improvement.... compare with other brand who never improve movement never improve case, just design case, dial hand n buy an eta to put in and sell expensive.... or pay some celebrity n sportsmen to increase the price instead of add on value on the watchmaking/ manufacturing technology!

Offline danny

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Re: tegimented hard enough?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 02:33:06 PM »
i hv different view. i always like tough watch, where i can wear all day!
i like the hard case.... i dont hv to worry when i wear it... i do not like many scratches on my watch!
and harder case actually has harder screw thread for caseback n crown.... easier to handle it...
so i still very much like harder case, ...

I think only Damasko offers the kind of tough case that you are talking about, ie the ice hardened case. I agree that the ice hardening process which toughens the whole watch case down to the thread will result in a very durable watch, which is always a good thing.