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WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« on: July 05, 2012, 07:54:11 AM »
THE MOST POPULAR IS THE ETA 7750,THEN WE HAVE FREDRIC PIGUET  WHICH FOR SOME AP MODELS. THEN  WE HAVE THE COLUMN WHEEL TYPE,THEN THE PRIMERO BY ZENNITH  , ROLEX IN HOUSE 4130, JLC IN HOUSE N OF COURSE PP IN HOUSE.THOSE SIFUS WITH KNOWLEDGE PLEASE CHIP IN YOUR OPINIONS...

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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 08:06:32 AM »
Easy for me...
It has to be the Zenith El Primero Caliber 3019phc / Caliber 400 as well as all the variations.
Proven in practical use in more than 45 years... any kinks would have been ironed out by now.
At least 50 hours of power reserve, 36000vph, all in house...
And most would like to point out that if it's good enough to power Rolex Daytonas before the advent of the Rolex Caliber 4130, it's good enough for anything.

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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 08:12:56 AM »
How about Lemania? They are good solid workhorses too.

And then there is Jaeger too...not sure of which caliber....but then again I am always biase to JLC since it's my fav brand  ;D

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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2012, 08:15:21 AM »
Lemania 321/861/1861
Tested numerous time by NASA.
Well, conspiracy theory or not, it went to the moon and back.
Performed perfectly fine during Apollo 13 saga.
What more can you say?

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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2012, 08:23:07 AM »
HANZ YOU ARE A ZENITH LOVER,HOPE U CAN BUY YOUR DREAM ONE.. N FOOWY , YES JLC MADE ONE OF THE BEST, THE VERTICAL COUPLING MOVEMENT THAT USES FRICTION WHEN ENGAGE CHRONOGRAPH.

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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2012, 08:27:55 AM »
tonykpk, please don't use capital letters on your post/reply.
Capital letter is like shouting for internet language and it hurts the eyes also.

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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2012, 10:14:26 AM »
Seiko anyone? First to the market back in the great chronograph race.

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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2012, 11:32:45 AM »
Seiko anyone? First to the market back in the great chronograph race.

Seiko is definitely back in the race. If the vertical coupling is considered a hallmark of a good chronograph movement then my vote goes to the 8R28 caliber from Seiko with column wheel and 3 vertical clutches. The Seiko Brightz Phoenix Chronograph SAGK003 below is powered by the Seiko 8R28 caliber.


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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 12:16:13 PM »
Seiko anyone? First to the market back in the great chronograph race.

Seiko is definitely back in the race. If the vertical coupling is considered a hallmark of a good chronograph movement then my vote goes to the 8R28 caliber from Seiko with column wheel and 3 vertical clutches. The Seiko Brightz Phoenix Chronograph SAGK003 below is powered by the Seiko 8R28 caliber.



That is one Cool chrono from Seiko.


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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2012, 02:09:26 PM »
Seiko slowly like the japanese car are rolling to perfection for reliability n pricing .Are they selling their movements to the swiss at this present moment?  anyone?

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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2012, 02:16:12 PM »
I have owned the following chronographs to-date (estimated year of ownership)

Vj 7750 TAG Heuer (late 1980's)
Vj 7750 Bell & Ross by Sinn 144Ti (1990's)
Lemania based Omega Speedmaster Moonphase Cal 1866 (2000's)
FP 1185 based Cal 3313 CoAxial in an Omega PO Chronograph (2000's)
Seiko 6S37 movement based Erhard Junghans Aerious ( less than 1 year) since early 2012
Grand Seiko SBGC003 Spring Drive Calibre 9R86 since 2010
Lastly a Zenith El Primero 36,000 chrono in my hands for 4 weeks from a friend who wanted to sell it to me but I subsequently returned it back to him.

My experience as follows:
9R86 is the smoothest  (not only the second hands movement which is due to the the Spring Drive-SD but also the start, stop & reset).  No second hand jump at any stage. Of coz in overall accuracy the 9R86 is also way ahead of the rest at  +1 sec/week.

6S37 has a very smooth start,stop, reset too but second hand sweep is not as smooth as GS or Zenith as it is a 28,800 vph and not a Spring Drive or a 36,000 vph. Accuracy/rate +3-4 secs/day

The Zenith El Primero in comparison is almost as smooth as the Spring Drive 9R86 as far as second hand sweep is concerned as it is 36,000 vph.However the chrono start suffers from a jump from 0-0.5 before continuing on its way. The stop/reset is almost as good as the SD and equal to the 6S37. Accuracy +2-3 secs/day. An ex-owner however told me the watch being hi-beat, needs servicing quite frequently as the rate/accuracy drops after 2-3 years.

The FP1185 based CoAxial Omega Planet Ocean Cal 3313 28,800 vph has a smooth start/stop/reset. Accuracy was about + 1-2 secs per day....excellent for a 100% mechanical. Some online posts mentioned some early issues with the Cal 3313 but mine work perfectly well until the PR was reduced after several years. I sold my orange bezel PO Chrono as the look was wearing thin on me.

The Lemania Cal 1866 Omega Moonphase based on Nouvelle Lemania 1884, 21,600 vph, 48 hr PR. Beautifully rhodium finished hw movement. Accuracy was inconsistent deviating from +10 secs/day to +30secs/day. Start/stop/reset is smooth although a bit stiff to activate. Sold as the rate was too inconsistent and the black dial was more of dark grey... a deep jet black would have been much nicer.
 
The 2 Vj 7750's (28,800 vph) were the worst performers of all. Firstly when you pull out the crown to reset the minute hand, when the crown is pushed back in, the hand will shift slightly. I have tried advancing past the time and reversing or advancing to the correct time before pushing back the crown. it's still the same.. the hands still shift slightly... perhaps its only my particular watch but even after a service at B&R in Paris it still came back the same. The rate/accuracy was fairly good for the 1st 3 yrs at  approx +5-8 secs/day but over time it became slower and slower till it was -8 secs/day. After service it was back to approx +3 secs/day and again after 1-2 yrs the accuracy drops, becoming slower and slower. Besides the rotor is loud when spinning and sounds very crude in operation. Finish of the movement is below average viz-a-viz the others. Of course there are different levels of finish from ETA. Chrono is also sliding pinion vs vertical clutch/column wheel in the others. Stop/reset is very crude. Unless the Vj7750 is the highest finished version, no more 7750 for me.

I would rate them as follows 1. 9R86 2. FP1185 3. 6S37 4. El Primero 5. Lemania Cal 1866 Speedy 6. Vj 7750

I have sold all the chronos except the Grand Seiko SBGC003 and the Erhard Junghans 6S37

I'm very keen to test out the characteristics of the new Omega Cal 9300 but the 2 counter look has so far has put me off.

I'd also love to own an 8R28 based chrono but unfortunately I didn't see any with the look I liked during my last Tokyo trip.
One of my greatest wish is to have Grand Seiko come up with a 36,000 vph chronograph movement..I'd get it in a blink as long as its in stainless steel.

Would love to hear about the performance of Daytona/PP and JLC chrono movements.
although I would never buy the Daytona as IMHO it is way overpriced viz-a-viz its other peer excellent chronograph like the JLC, Omega Cal 9300, etc..


« Last Edit: July 06, 2012, 02:14:57 PM by JOS2012 »
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Re: WHICH CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT IS OUT STANDING?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2012, 02:24:04 PM »
Seiko slowly like the japanese car are rolling to perfection for reliability n pricing .Are they selling their movements to the swiss at this present moment?  anyone?

AFAIK Tag Heuer licensed Seiko chronograph technology for their manufacture Caliber 1887.
And Citizen acquired La Joux-Perret not long ago. Don't be surprised if Citizen starts supplying movements and parts to the Swiss watch industry through La Joux-Perret.