Box & Papers: Would you pay extra?

[terrenceterrence]

This got me wondering...

For a normal production watch; e.g. Rolex, Omega and etc (that are produced in the millions), would you pay extra for B&P when jumping into the pre owned market?

I mean let's say you are going to treat it like a normal daily rotation wear and not going to baby it in anyway. Since these are produced in such a great number nowadays, the chances of it being a vintage is practically non existent. I do understand that having the complete set makes it more special like my 14060M with anchor and manual but it's not like you can wear the box out.

So which one would you rather have, the latest service papers or B&P?

[gloomis]

for me, i prefer a complete set, so price is higher abit bt is ok for me. I flip watches around so complete set is much easy to sell or trade.

if i really like the watch, then i don mind the box but the paper is a must as I don wan to have a mysterious watch come from no where.

[terrenceterrence]

then without box but latest service papers from authorised SC?

for me, i prefer a complete set, so price is higher abit bt is ok for me. I flip watches around so complete set is much easy to sell or trade.

if i really like the watch, then i don mind the box but the paper is a must as I don wan to have a mysterious watch come from no where.

[ck77]

Service paper from manufacturer will do the job.
But for 'presentation' wise, full set with box and paper look more complete and easier to flip.

[terrenceterrence]

I believe the completeness of the set is irrelevant when compared to price to let go when it comes to flipping.

Same principles as buy low..sell low...buy high...sell high. Priced right, there's no problem letting go any watches. It's just that what other ppl think as a "right price" that is the problem.

Service paper from manufacturer will do the job.
But for 'presentation' wise, full set with box and paper look more complete and easier to flip.

[Godzillaz]

It does to a certain extend. If the particular model is really rare then selling one without a complete set is no biggie.

On the contrary if the particular watch is not rare which mean many other are selling the same model but in complete set. Then my friend the watch may take a long time to sell. If it get sold at all.

However this depend highly on brands as well. You can without box and paper for most brand but Rolex especially those in the 70s and 80s people do want them with box and paper. More true when it comes to Panerai.

Would I pay more? The short answer is yes or more like I won't go looking for one without.

Regards
Tyler

I believe the completeness of the set is irrelevant when compared to price to let go when it comes to flipping.

Same principles as buy low..sell low...buy high...sell high. Priced right, there's no problem letting go any watches. It's just that what other ppl think as a "right price" that is the problem.

Service paper from manufacturer will do the job.
But for 'presentation' wise, full set with box and paper look more complete and easier to flip.

[hanz079]

I believe the completeness of the set is irrelevant when compared to price to let go when it comes to flipping.

Same principles as buy low..sell low...buy high...sell high. Priced right, there's no problem letting go any watches. It's just that what other ppl think as a "right price" that is the problem.

Service paper from manufacturer will do the job.
But for 'presentation' wise, full set with box and paper look more complete and easier to flip.

I totally agree with the bold part.
Priced right... sometimes when you price a watch right considering the completeness and condition, other might not agree with your valuation and tend to try to go lower and lower...
Some even worse, list at a higher price that what the market is willing to accept and hope some waterfish gets hooked.... 

As to your question, I would pay a little more for a full set.
For Rolex however, official service papers is good enough.
And yeah, you can't wear the box and anchor or manual out anyway... just for kesyiokan sendiri knowing you have a full set.

[takashi78]

To me buying used papers is must (If possible).
Box unless its a LE or something special.
If not, makes not much difference to me.

[G.MAC]

I will get papers but am not going to pay extra for it. Am also not going to pay lower without it.

[IWCking]

No issue for any piece which i wont sell. But will prefer to have complete set for those which i may sell cos it will be much easier to sell.

[Gigi]

If you are going to keep it and not intending to sell then it is not that important. But if intend on flipping then IT IS important. 

[terrenceterrence]

As for me, not being much of a person who flips, the latest service paper with remaining warranty is more important.

With the cost of servicing nowadays, I would rather have an up to date serviced watch than paying extra for papers and then having to pay extra again for servicing. Having said that, anything else is a bonus.

I am not goin for vintage pieces that would go down the hammer in auction houses for 6 figures, so the couple of hundred extra is better used for a shiny recent serviced piece.

[myric]

For me, it's not about paying extra for box & paper OR to syiok sendiri.

Box & paper provide certain level of "prove" on genuine (I don't think replicator going to spend much time on this one) and where the watch come  from. However, exceptions apply for vintage watch.

[am_sober]

Box & paper provide certain level of "prove" on genuine (I don't think replicator going to spend much time on this one) and where the watch come  from. However, exceptions apply for vintage watch.

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[rusminag]

For preowned Rolex sport, paper will add rm1k-2k to the value.

[myric]

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Wah, eye opening and good to be aware that this was happening. Thanks for sharing.

[Joshie]

Having paper and box is better for trading and having a peace of mind that it comes in a package.

[dennis.T]

I will if just few hundred bucks extra for a peace of mind , why not? At least I know this is not stolen watch or smuggle stuff. As for rolex watches, a verification paper is a must for me cos I am phobia and kiasi..

[terrenceterrence]

I think maybe I have to be specific.

I mean would you pay extra for B&P for a in-house calibre watch or settle for a fresh serviced in house watch with official service papers under warranty. As we all know, it's not cheap to service a in-house calibre compared to a "rebranded/renamed" ETA calibre.

A piece with B&P but no service records does not mean it's a good buy. It's like buying a used car with just purchase receipts and manual.

So would you buy a car with no service records? So isn't it the same with a watch?

Wouldn't a full service record be better piece of mind and proof of authenticity?

[hanz079]

I think maybe I have to be specific.

I mean would you pay extra for B&P for a in-house calibre watch or settle for a fresh serviced in house watch with official service papers under warranty. As we all know, it's not cheap to service a in-house calibre compared to a "rebranded/renamed" ETA calibre.

A piece with B&P but no service records does not mean it's a good buy. It's like buying a used car with just purchase receipts and manual.

So would you buy a car with no service records? So isn't it the same with a watch?

Wouldn't a full service record be better piece of mind and proof of authenticity?

Never looked at it that way to be honest....
Given the choice, full set with service records will be the best.
Service papers for rolex is not really a prerequisite but a bonus.
As for brands like ap, pp or vc... Service papers and full box and papers is a must...
Just heard a friend got quoted a 13k service bill for an ap he bought pre owned... No service records i guess... Ouch...

[Godzillaz]

OK. I am giving all the wrong answers.

Initially my answer are based on my assumption that I am buying a vintage watch. I don't think is a plus to have the watch service by rolex recently because some of those vintage parts might get swap out for newer ones.

If you are talking about the more modern piece then yeah. I would rather have a recent service paper than the box and expired warranty card. 

Especially if it's a watch with complication.

Regard
Tyler 

I think maybe I have to be specific.

I mean would you pay extra for B&P for a in-house calibre watch or settle for a fresh serviced in house watch with official service papers under warranty. As we all know, it's not cheap to service a in-house calibre compared to a "rebranded/renamed" ETA calibre.

A piece with B&P but no service records does not mean it's a good buy. It's like buying a used car with just purchase receipts and manual.

So would you buy a car with no service records? So isn't it the same with a watch?

Wouldn't a full service record be better piece of mind and proof of authenticity?

[dennis.T]

Never looked at it that way to be honest....
Given the choice, full set with service records will be the best.
Service papers for rolex is not really a prerequisite but a bonus.
As for brands like ap, pp or vc... Service papers and full box and papers is a must...
Just heard a friend got quoted a 13k service bill for an ap he bought pre owned... No service records i guess... Ouch...

13k?  That hurts..your friend AP is complication watch?

[hanz079]

Never looked at it that way to be honest....
Given the choice, full set with service records will be the best.
Service papers for rolex is not really a prerequisite but a bonus.
As for brands like ap, pp or vc... Service papers and full box and papers is a must...
Just heard a friend got quoted a 13k service bill for an ap he bought pre owned... No service records i guess... Ouch...

13k?  That hurts..your friend AP is complication watch?

AP Royal Oak Jumbo

[zameenzahari]

For PAMs especially the SEs, Boxes and papers are a major determinant of price. For some reason, most of us paneristis are a little bit more anal when it comes to having a complete set...just look at how much one of those pre-V shopping bag or green shoebox cost nowadays...USD 1k plus for a beaten up shopping bag??

[tonykpk]

For a pre owned modern watch , i think its better to purchase it with card or papers. Its not about warranty over , its about peace of mind that its not a stolen piece n its authenticity , but most pieces without papers are authentic also, always buy  the seller first. For  a LTD. EDI, its good to have everything.