Author Topic: Will one overwind one's PAM? (Read 13569 times)

TheGr8One · « **on:** May 30, 2012, 12:18:43 PM »

Dear Sifu,
I acquired a PAM005 not too long ago and it's my first Manual Winding watch.
I was told by the AD to wind my watch everyday until I feel a slight resistance, then I should stop.
I took his advice and stop winding when I feel a slight resistance, ended up my watch constantly stopping due to insufficient power supply.
I'm scared to death that I might damage the watch by overwinding it.
Will it?
How much winding is required generally? From a low PR I normally stop after 50 rotations. That seems insufficient, perhaps I have skinny fingers.
Any Sifus have any experience to share?

terrenceterrence · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2012, 12:40:22 PM »

Wind it until u can't turn anymore. It won't break. Don't worry. Unless you are winding it in one of your Hulk moods.

G.MAC · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2012, 12:48:57 PM »

That is a good question. I experience the same problem with you before when I first joined the PAM craze. However like bro terrence said, just wind till you cant. If there is a slight resistance, try carefully to turn to see if it can wind. If it wont, then stop. It is even harder to tell if you dont have the sub-second like in the 000,111,183. So wearing a PAM means daily winding. After a while I switch some of my handwinding PAMs for auto PAMs or at least those with the PR indicator.

Gigi · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2012, 01:43:33 PM »

just wind gently and stop it if u can wind it anymore

gloomis · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2012, 02:11:32 PM »

i have tested my 367. wind untill it cant wind anymore.....dont force winding once it cant go further. and it should be able to last you about 48hours

TheGr8One · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2012, 04:54:43 PM »

Thanks guys. Appreciate you sharing your experience.
I'm so afraid I'll break this, if I screw this up my wife will kick my ass so hard, I'll grow bumps on my head.
I can now sleep peacefully

Btw, A fully wind PAM005 should last 56 hours yes? As advertised in their website.

TheHobbit · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2012, 04:58:51 PM »

Like everyone has said, wind till you feel resistance. Once you feel it, stop. Some advise to wind daily at the same time, some advise to wind it one way, I.e. bottom to top or if you looking at the crown wind it clockwise, some will advise you to wind it forward and backwards, I.e. rocking the crown (to ensure proper oil distribution). It is really up to you, no right or wrong way.

As for the power reserve, the best I have gotten is 63 hours and that was when the watch was brand new.

TheGr8One · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2012, 05:10:24 PM »

Dear Master Hobbit,
That's what I thought initially, stopping when feeling resistance.
Perhaps I'm sensitive to resistance, after 40 rotation or so, I am already feeling resistance, but it's hard to describe how much resistance I am facing.
So I stop at 40, 50, it turns out that the watch stop in the middle of the night.
Hence I'm looking for assurance that it's ok to continue winding despite a "slight" resistance. However it's very reassuring that PAM is much tougher than I thought and won't break easily.

Cheers.

terrenceterrence · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2012, 05:26:36 PM »

I maybe no expert and i do not count the number of times I wind my 112 but IMHO you really need to turn the crown atleast twIce to constitute as one "full" wind. The thick crown prevents you from going one full circle. What you did maybe just did may be just winding it 1/3 of the way.

Just like winding a springed-wind-up toy, wind it until it stops. As the spring gets tightened, there would be resistance felt. So wind it until it stops. The 6497 is not haute horology with complications and pretty archaic movement, so it's quite tough.

dennis.T · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:27:31 PM »

Based on my Experience it take Half wind/turn x 100 times to full wind for base model.. I might be wrong n let the expert to advise u..

takashi78 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:30:47 PM »

50 full turns?
Damn....i would assume those with 3-5days PR or higher to require that.

gloomis · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2012, 06:34:57 PM »

Quote from: TheGr8One on May 30, 2012, 04:54:43 PM

Btw, A fully wind PAM005 should last 56 hours yes? As advertised in their website.

sorry to tell u the truth, 72hrs is a advertisement. i been trying this many times and most i got is about 60hrs +/-. so normally i wind it to a extend can run for about 2 days....then nite time will wind again before i sleep

JPSP · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2012, 07:02:06 PM »

Dunno abt u guys but I dun buy manual winding watch cos it adds stress like worrying abt overwinding and must wind everyday

TheGr8One · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2012, 08:24:28 PM »

Quote from: JPSP on May 30, 2012, 07:02:06 PM

Dunno abt u guys but I dun buy manual winding watch cos it adds stress like worrying abt overwinding and must wind everyday

Haha, that's what I initially thought; it's so troublesome to wind the watch daily.
However once you got the hang of it, it's fun. It's a new toy, it need some TLC winding daily.
Remind me of the tamaguci (spelling correct?) craze decades back.

IWCking · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2012, 09:28:25 PM »

Over winding will break it. But that wont happen that easily if you do it with a bit of care. Slow down and more gently when you fell its getting tighten. Better still, you may want to wind it twice a day. true watch lover do that. Its pretty much like communicating with your loved watch once or twice a day. Hand wound is never for normal people, its meant for watch aficionado. if you think it being too hassle, then you may want to get a self winding next time.

takashi78 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 30, 2012, 10:18:18 PM »

If 72hrs is advertised and listed on the spec sheet then i think 60hrs+ is unacceptable.
+-3-5 i can understand but more 10hrs is a lot.

gloomis · « **Reply #16 on:** May 31, 2012, 05:26:23 AM »

Quote from: JPSP on May 30, 2012, 07:02:06 PM

Dunno abt u guys but I dun buy manual winding watch cos it adds stress like worrying abt overwinding and must wind everyday

i have the though like you before as it is so toublesome to do it a day or 2. but after i own a winding watch i dont feel like wearing an automatic watch anymore reason being the winding part is a personal touch and keep you n the watch have closer relation. its just like u need to talk to your wife everyday no matter how busy. to me now automatic watch is like 'outcall', wear it and then left on the table, the next day wear it again as u dont need to wind the watch.

while winding the watch, u actually not just winding, u oso observing the case, checking any major ding o scratches...so is very FUN

gloomis · « **Reply #17 on:** May 31, 2012, 05:28:09 AM »

Quote from: takashi78 on May 30, 2012, 10:18:18 PM

If 72hrs is advertised and listed on the spec sheet then i think 60hrs+ is unacceptable.
+-3-5 i can understand but more 10hrs is a lot.

bro, i dont really bother if is 72hrs 60hrs o even 48hrs coz i will still need to wind it. i enjoying winding it everyday

fidoneo · « **Reply #18 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:27:04 PM »

Quote from: gloomis on May 31, 2012, 05:28:09 AM

Quote from: takashi78 on May 30, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
If 72hrs is advertised and listed on the spec sheet then i think 60hrs+ is unacceptable.
+-3-5 i can understand but more 10hrs is a lot.

bro, i dont really bother if is 72hrs 60hrs o even 48hrs coz i will still need to wind it. i enjoying winding it everyday

TheHobbit · « **Reply #19 on:** May 31, 2012, 04:38:11 PM »

For me a hand wind watch is very personal. You have to wind the watch, daily for me. This the time (pun intended) you connect with the watch. For that matter, I even wind my automatic watches.

drainbamage · « **Reply #20 on:** May 31, 2012, 05:31:58 PM »

I wind my watches every morning even the automatic ones. Safe to say its like a ritual.

My experience, winding doesn't require a lot effort or strength to get it fully wound apart from blisters flowering from your thumb and finger. Like most said, just wind away until u feel some resistance.

Pajero · « **Reply #21 on:** May 31, 2012, 05:59:50 PM »

Ever since my manual winding PAM 390 entered my life, I really enjoy winding it. It establishes a relationship or bond between me and the watch. Just wind it until you face resistance that it is difficult to wind. I wind it every day so I have no issue whether the winding is sufficient for 56 or 72 hours. You just need less than a minute to do this and it is such a blessing to do it in the morning with a cuppa nearby.

gloomis · « **Reply #22 on:** May 31, 2012, 07:03:32 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on May 31, 2012, 04:38:11 PM

For me a hand wind watch is very personal. You have to wind the watch, daily for me. This the time (pun intended) you connect with the watch. For that matter, I even wind my automatic watches.

sorry for a very noob question. how u know when u want to stop for winding an automatic watch? the rotor is self winding 12hrs or more when you are wearing it, if everyday you somemore wind it, will it over wind and express the service period?

gloomis · « **Reply #23 on:** May 31, 2012, 07:06:11 PM »

Quote from: Pajero on May 31, 2012, 05:59:50 PM

Ever since my manual winding PAM 390 entered my life, I really enjoy winding it. It establishes a relationship or bond between me and the watch.

this is the precious moment

TheHobbit · « **Reply #24 on:** May 31, 2012, 09:42:55 PM »

Quote from: gloomis on May 31, 2012, 07:03:32 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on May 31, 2012, 04:38:11 PM
For me a hand wind watch is very personal. You have to wind the watch, daily for me. This the time (pun intended) you connect with the watch. For that matter, I even wind my automatic watches.

sorry for a very noob question. how u know when u want to stop for winding an automatic watch? the rotor is self winding 12hrs or more when you are wearing it, if everyday you somemore wind it, will it over wind and express the service period?

It does not matter as there is a slipping clutch mechanism that prevents an automatic watch from being over winding.

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