Omega watches - truly in-house movements?

[dpkong]

which Omega calibers are truly in-house?

or are they all just modified ETA?

[sshark]

It depends on the time period you are referring too. About 10 years ago mostly ETA i.e. 2892, 7750 & 7751 and the high ends are using 3313 and 3303. Now they replace most of the 2892 with 8500 and higher end chronographs with 9300. They still use 7750 and 7751 for their end level speedmaster and seamaster.

[TheHobbit]

which Omega calibers are truly in-house?

or are they all just modified ETA?

All? Since SWATCH owns ETA and Omega.

[hanz079]

This topic used to be hot a few years back.
How do you define in house?
If in house is fully manufactured in their own factory, then Hobbit is correct.
It's all since they are all under the swatch group which consists of ETA and a host of other brands.
If your talking about exclusive movements, the the 25xx co axial and the newer 85xx and 93xx chrono movements are all exclusive to Omega.

[dpkong]

i think hanz got what i was trying to ask in the wrong way. i meant to ask if it was exclusive to Omega watches only. reading does seem to show that the new 25xx, 85xx and 93xx co-axial are exclusive to Omega only. is that correct?

that would mean any other Speedmaster would be ETA inside?

looking at the sub-dials, does it mean the 3-6-9 are ETA and the 6-9-12 are Valjoux?

[bwee]

Can it be also said that swatch watches uses 'in-house' movement also.. Hehehe..

[TheHobbit]

Dpkong,

At the moment the co-axial movement is exclusive to Omega. ETA and Valjoux are one and the same company. Some of the co-axial movement are based on the ETA movement.

[Friday]

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[sshark]

looking at the sub-dials, does it mean the 3-6-9 are ETA and the 6-9-12 are Valjoux?

TYpically, 6-9-12 are Valjoux 775x and 3-6-9 are Piguet 33xx and  while 3-9 are 9500

[ck77]

Don't forget Lemania that powered the moon watch.

[JOS2012]

Correct me if I'm wrong, the entry level Omegas are still using ETA calibres. However Omega's Steven Urqhuart  has declared that they will incorporate CoAxials into every single model subsequently. The difficulty they face is to do so for the smaller sized calibers such as those for ladies models.
Some higher end Omega chrono models in the past used FP1185 architecture based calibers and Lemania 1861/1866/1873/321 instead of the Vj7750.
Subsequently Omega introduced the Co-Axials into the ETA & FP based calibers such as the 3313 which was a FP1185 architecture based chrono. The non CoAxial version was the 3303/3301.
The 2500 is basically a ETA 2892-A2 with a CoAxial escapement.
All the CoAxials are limited for Omega use only within the Swatch Group.
Starting with the Hour Vision project, the 8500 and 9300 calibres were developed from the ground up incorporating the CoAxial from the onset and not based a modification of existing calibers. This are definitely inhouse and also considered 3rd generation CoAxials.
Some horologists argue that the FP architecture based CoAxials were already inhouse movements as it was built by Omega using the basic base plate architecture but with major component changes to improve amplitude, inertia, revolving mass, etc.