Just some questions regarding Rolex Models.

[hanz079]

Haih... just entered the casino... luck was good... in less than 30minutes... won myself an Submariner...
Then I thought... still early... see what happens in the next hour since all my colleagues also still gambling.
Maybe can make the push from Submariner to Daytona...
Manatau I lost a Submariner pulak in the end... 

[Watchnewby]

Better luck next time, Bro. hanz. 

[dpkong]

Haih... just entered the casino... luck was good... in less than 30minutes... won myself an Submariner...
Then I thought... still early... see what happens in the next hour since all my colleagues also still gambling.
Maybe can make the push from Submariner to Daytona...
Manatau I lost a Submariner pulak in the end... 

should have cabut when you already bagged the Sub..

like Kenny Rogers said in his song.. "got to know when to walk away and when to run"

[free_enuf]

Noob for Rolex, whats the price range for Submariner, as well as Rolex generally.

[TheHobbit]

Noob for Rolex, whats the price range for Submariner, as well as Rolex generally.

free_enuf,

New or pre-loved? Current or vintage? Sports model or general collection?

[free_enuf]

new current, submariner and rolex in general including the sports ones.

[TheHobbit]

new current, submariner and rolex in general including the sports ones.

free_enuf,

Current Submariner should be about RM 20 to 21K. Most of the new Sports series should be about there, RM 20 to 25k. Rolex in general? I would guess Rm10 k upwards.

[Omnipotent]

are you referring to the SubC? Last I asked in an AD the SS LN goes for RM26 and the LV RM30...not sure about grey though...

[Sid Vicious]

Second omni, that's the kind of prices i got when I went to the Rolex place in pavillion

[hanz079]

Now some questions regarding tritium now.
Does all tritium age and will turn patina?
How come some rolex with tritium from year 1998 already aged and some hasn't at all?
How long on average the tritium will start aging?
Some subs are saying 12 links is full links... Some says 13. So which one is full?

[G.MAC]

To my understanding, those that have not achieve patina are mostly those kept indoors so the tritium has not degrade due to lack of UV from sunlight. All tritium should age and develop a patina. And i think 13 links are full links. I may be wrong.

[hanz079]

To my understanding, those that have not achieve patina are mostly those kept indoors so the tritium has not degrade due to lack of UV from sunlight. All tritium should age and develop a patina. And i think 13 links are full links. I may be wrong.

I see, so those that have not achieved Patina are safe queens... got it... 

[TheHobbit]

Now some questions regarding tritium now.
Does all tritium age and will turn patina?
How come some rolex with tritium from year 1998 already aged and some hasn't at all?
How long on average the tritium will start aging?
Some subs are saying 12 links is full links... Some says 13. So which one is full?

hanz079,

There are lots of reasons why some Tritium dial have patina and others don't. Until today, there is no conclusive answer. Patina or not is dependent on the following factors (arguments still raging):

Temperature
Light
Varnish
Quality of Tritium
Etc

However, based on my experience, and some others, patina tends to develop more on watches that are stored away from sunlight. It is believed that sunlight (UV?) will bleach the tritium, hence no or little patina (note, this fact is still being discussed).

I have a NIB Panarai PAM00243I that has been a safe queen and the patina is just awesome. I also have a GMT Master that does not see the light of day (not much any way) and that has a lovely patina. I also had (sigh) a Revue Thommen which I got NOS from a store (inside a building, away from sunlight) and that had a lovely patina. I also have an Omega Seamaster Chrono that has a beautiful patina (last seen the light of day 10 years ago). I also just got a set of tritium hands for my Tudor Snowflake that has been kept in a drawer and it has a beautiful patina (which the Tudor does not have, uneven patina, used daily by ex owner).

Like I said, this is based on my personal experience and from what I have read and seen from other collectors. In fact there are friends and owners who have safe queens and the watches have not developed Patina. So it is not an exact science. Some collectors say that if the tritium has started to develop patina, it will continue to develop if kept in the dark. If exposed to the sun, it will slow down or not develop at all.

As for the links on the bracelet, it is 13.

[hanz079]

Thanks for taking the time to type out a detailed reply.
So, taking into account the longer deployants for sub vs expII, all rolex should have 13 links to consider full right?
And is it safe to assume that all tritium will "eventually" develop to patina? Just a matter of when?

[bryankwc]

I have a NIB Panarai PAM00243I that has been a safe queen and the patina is just awesome. I also have a GMT Master that does not see the light of day (not much any way) and that has a lovely patina. I also had (sigh) a Revue Thommen which I got NOS from a store (inside a building, away from sunlight) and that had a lovely patina. I also have an Omega Seamaster Chrono that has a beautiful patina (last seen the light of day 10 years ago). I also just got a set of tritium hands for my Tudor Snowflake that has been kept in a drawer and it has a beautiful patina (which the Tudor does not have, uneven patina, used daily by ex owner).

Sifu Hobbit & Others, pls enlighten this newbie. 
I understand that patina is a kind of rust, basically discolouring caused by oxidation.
Is this something to be desired by collectors? Are there different types / levels of patina?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Take care, Ciao! 

[G.MAC]

in regards to patina, there is a love/hat relationship to it. Some love it to bits whilst others view it as "dirty". It is all up to personal preference. Some love to use the "patina effect" to boost the asking price of their watches.

[TheHobbit]

Thanks for taking the time to type out a detailed reply.
So, taking into account the longer deployants for sub vs expII, all rolex should have 13 links to consider full right?
And is it safe to assume that all tritium will "eventually" develop to patina? Just a matter of when?

hanz079,

When is a mighty long time...... Some will develop some won't.

bryankwc.

Patina is:

"radioactivity causes decomposition and the resin's color changes to yellowish-brown" Phosphor Handbook

But I like this version:

"a surface appearance of something grown beautiful especially with age or use"

[hanz079]

Thanks for taking the time to type out a detailed reply.
So, taking into account the longer deployants for sub vs expII, all rolex should have 13 links to consider full right?
And is it safe to assume that all tritium will "eventually" develop to patina? Just a matter of when?

hanz079,

When is a mighty long time...... Some will develop some won't.

bryankwc.

Patina is:

"radioactivity causes decomposition and the resin's color changes to yellowish-brown" Phosphor Handbook

But I like this version:

"a surface appearance of something grown beautiful especially with age or use"

Hobbs, so there are some Tritium Dial and Hands that have lost all of it's luminosity but won't patina like EVER?

[Watchnewby]

Patina is:

"a surface appearance of something grown beautiful especially with age or use"

Love that explanation.   

[TheHobbit]

Hobbs, so there are some Tritium Dial and Hands that have lost all of it's luminosity but won't patina like EVER?

hanz079,

Yes. Take a look at the photograph below (borrowed shamelessly from the Internet). It is over 40 years old but little or no patina.

[hanz079]

Thanks Hobbs...
If that is the case, I guess I am f**ked...
Pardon my languange... Guess I should have researched more before i drop any moolah.

[TheHobbit]

Thanks Hobbs...
If that is the case, I guess I am f**ked...
Pardon my languange... Guess I should have researhed more before i drop any moolah.

hanz079,

Why so?

[hanz079]

Thanks Hobbs...
If that is the case, I guess I am f**ked...
Pardon my languange... Guess I should have researhed more before i drop any moolah.

hanz079,

Why so?

If you have been following my Rolex hunt.
I was quite adamant about getting a Rolex with a rehaut, brand new if possible.
But after some bad luck at the casinos, my budget is down to pre owned ones, old ones that cost cheaper.
So, if I were to get a Rolex without a rehaut, I guess I better go for a Tritium Dial and Hands so that when they age to some patina, at least it is unique.
I found a 14060M from year 1996 "T" Serial with a T<25 dial.
It has not aged to any patina yet and the lume is almost gone.
So I bought it hoping that it will age when in my possession...
But after all the answers that I have read here... looks like I am literally f**cked...
My fault and no one else to blame though... 

[G.MAC]

dont worry too much bro. There is no fixed time for patina to develop. It may develop once it goes to you? My pre-owned Exp II is from 2003 and is a T dial but no patina has developed but lume is totally gone. At the end of the day, it is still a rolex.

[hanz079]

dont worry too much bro. There is no fixed time for patina to develop. It may develop once it goes to you? My pre-owned Exp II is from 2003 and is a T dial but no patina has developed but lume is totally gone. At the end of the day, it is still a rolex.

Hmm? I asked around and most ppl tell me Rolex have stopped using Tritium since 2000.
Last series to still have T dial is the "A" serial.
You bought yours at 2003? Year of manufacture?
I have to agree on the bold part though...