Author Topic: Just some questions regarding Rolex Models. (Read 31150 times)

TheHobbit · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2011, 08:57:36 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on September 12, 2011, 08:30:09 PM

Oh yeah...
About the Submariner No Date.
There are the 2 line ones and 4 line chronometer certified ones.
Is it safe to assume that both models will run at COSC standards?
When did Rolex discontinue the 2 lines and replace them with the 4 line model?
And the movement should be the same right?
And besides the dial difference, any other difference?
And can anyone here confirm that the size for the sub and sub date is the same?
My eyes might be playing tricks on me but I feel like the Sub No Date is a wee bit smaller...
Am I right?
Thanks

hanz079,

The 2 line 14060M were available until mid 2007 when it was replaced by the 4 line 14060M. The 2 line 14060M first appeared in 2001 replacing the 14060 which came out in 1989. The original 14060 was powered by Rolex caliber 3000 and the 14060M by the Rolex caliber 3130. The post 2007 4 line Submariners were the only other Submariner to be certified as chronometers since the 5512 stopped production in 1978. If the current 14060M is 'replaced' next year, it would make it the shortest lived Submariner model.

Both the 14060M 2 line and 4 line were COSC capable but only the post 2007 models were sent for COSC certification, thus the 4 line.

As for the size, the Submariner is slimmer as compared to the Submariner date. The submariner also has a slimmer bezel then the Submariner date.

hanz079 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2011, 09:18:31 PM »

Thanks Hobbs... You have been a big help.
MWF can always count in u...

dpkong · « **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2011, 09:23:34 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on September 12, 2011, 08:21:58 PM

The problem with the Daytona is that I have yet to try one on... so I have no idea how it feels...
Unless my weekend trip provide me with a huge windfall, I am pretty much stuck with models costing around 20-25k...

Don't try a watch on if you aren't going to buy it... it may give you sleepless nights!!

The Daytona is a strange watch. I find that people either love it or hate it. There is no middle ground.

If you are willing to take pre-owned watches, two-tone Daytona are cheaper than new SS Daytona and just a bit more than your budget.

hanz079 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 13, 2011, 08:05:32 AM »

Another question.
When did Rolex actually implement the rehaut inner bezel?
Some say that it's from "M" Series, but I have seen some "Z" serial watches that come with rehaut

TheHobbit · « **Reply #29 on:** September 13, 2011, 10:34:29 AM »

Quote from: hanz079 on September 13, 2011, 08:05:32 AM

Another question.
When did Rolex actually implement the rehaut inner bezel?
Some say that it's from "M" Series, but I have seen some "Z" serial watches that come with rehaut

hanz079,

Model dependent. It came out in 2004 on the Turn-O-Graph and start to appear in the Sports model (except GMT Master II) from about mid Z serial number or sometime in 2007.

hanz079 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 13, 2011, 10:41:34 AM »

So in other words, there is no chance to find a GMT master II coke model with the rehaut?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #31 on:** September 13, 2011, 11:05:52 AM »

Quote from: hanz079 on September 13, 2011, 10:41:34 AM

So in other words, there is no chance to find a GMT master II coke model with the rehaut?

I would say no, but since this Rolex we are talking about, who knows.....

hanz079 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 13, 2011, 11:16:09 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on September 13, 2011, 11:05:52 AM

Quote from: hanz079 on September 13, 2011, 10:41:34 AM
So in other words, there is no chance to find a GMT master II coke model with the rehaut?

I would say no, but since this Rolex we are talking about, who knows.....

Why

Is Rolex that disorganized?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #33 on:** September 13, 2011, 01:02:24 PM »

No they are pretty well organized, just that they are very secretive. They say that they did not do the engraving on the rehaut but they may do otherwise. Just like the serial numbers, suppose to be random serial number. They introduce the G serial numbers. With Rolex, we just never know.

hanz079 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 13, 2011, 01:04:10 PM »

Hmmm?

So what you're saying is the "G" serial is the latest?
I thought Random Numbers is the latest?

rockdaman · « **Reply #35 on:** September 13, 2011, 01:16:22 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on September 13, 2011, 01:04:10 PM

Hmmm?
So what you're saying is the "G" serial is the latest?
I thought Random Numbers is the latest?

At the moment alphanumeric serial no are the latest model but we couldnt track until sum1 decipher it. So only Rolex know when is the exact manufacturer date.

TheHobbit · « **Reply #36 on:** September 13, 2011, 02:02:16 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on September 13, 2011, 01:04:10 PM

Hmmm?
So what you're saying is the "G" serial is the latest?
I thought Random Numbers is the latest?

Both the G and alphanumeric serial number were issued in 2010. So it is difficult to say which is the latest. However, the G serial number is limited to 999,999 pieces and the alphanumeric is limited (?) to 78 billion pieces. As such I guess the alphanumeric will be here for a long, long time.

G.MAC · « **Reply #37 on:** September 13, 2011, 02:03:27 PM »

There are no GMT Master II 'Coke' with the rehaut inner bezel. At least having looked at a few from different series.

watchmanu · « **Reply #38 on:** September 13, 2011, 02:38:45 PM »

since we are discussing about rolex models, there is a question i would like to verify with all the watch "sifu"

Q1 : Is all rolex watch model make by 904L steel?
Q2 : since which year they started using 904L?

TQVM

David_cheong · « **Reply #39 on:** September 13, 2011, 02:53:12 PM »

Copied from the Rolex forum;

Rolex starting using 904L around 1987 in most models now all models mainly use 904L for cases etc.There are loads of threads like one below on 316L and 904L in forum just do a search.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=118398

dc

hanz079 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 13, 2011, 04:55:11 PM »

Say if I wanted to buy a GMTII Coke of the last serial before being discontinued, the series would be?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #41 on:** September 13, 2011, 05:05:05 PM »

hanz079 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 13, 2011, 05:06:55 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on September 13, 2011, 05:05:05 PM

M?

In that case, wouldn't an "M" Serial come with rehaut?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #43 on:** September 13, 2011, 05:09:47 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on September 13, 2011, 05:06:55 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on September 13, 2011, 05:05:05 PM
M?
In that case, wouldn't an "M" Serial come with rehaut?

Nope as Rolex was 'using' the GMT Master II to exhaust all the non engraved rehaut. I sent you a PM on the hunt for the M series.

hanz079 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 13, 2011, 05:23:07 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on September 13, 2011, 05:09:47 PM

Quote from: hanz079 on September 13, 2011, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: TheHobbit on September 13, 2011, 05:05:05 PM
M?
In that case, wouldn't an "M" Serial come with rehaut?

Nope as Rolex was 'using' the GMT Master II to exhaust all the non engraved rehaut. I sent you a PM on the hunt for the M series.

Thanks for the PM Mr.Hobbs...
Ok, so all my GMTII questions are answered.

Now to the Seadweller.
The seadweller is discontinued around the same time as the GMTII coke/pepsi as well right?
So the latest serial before being discontinued is also "M" series and does not come with rehaut as well?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #45 on:** September 13, 2011, 05:45:08 PM »

Quote from: hanz079 on September 13, 2011, 05:23:07 PM

Now to the Seadweller.
The seadweller is discontinued around the same time as the GMTII coke/pepsi as well right?
So the latest serial before being discontinued is also "M" series and does not come with rehaut as well?

The Seadweller was discontinued in 2007 (officially) but there were a few that escaped and made it to the V series. And no SD has the rehaut branding (god forbid).

hanz079 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 13, 2011, 06:45:52 PM »

Thanks again Hobbs,
Dependable for answers as usual.
Regarding the PM you sent me on the 3185 and 3186 movement,
I found out a way to test which movement is equipped without opening the caseback.
Unscrew the crown and pull it out one click (2nd Position)
This position enables you to adjust the hour hand independently without the seconds and minute hands stopping.
Try to adjust it forward a few hours and backwards a few hours.
During the adjustments, if the minute, seconds and GMT hands move abit... it means that it is equipped with a 3185 movement.
For the newer 3186 movement, the minute, seconds hand might creep abit but the GMT hand will not move even a tick.

TheHobbit · « **Reply #47 on:** September 13, 2011, 06:57:57 PM »

hanz079,

Does not always works. Best to open and check. Not really going to impact the water resistance of the GMT Master II.

Friday · « **Reply #48 on:** September 16, 2011, 01:20:07 PM »

So Hanz did you pull the trigger already..personally if its me i'll go for the cosc 14060 which less noticeable... Also perfect size imo and balanced clean dials..but if given free

i'll definitely go for the new ceramic gmt/submariner

hanz079 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 19, 2011, 11:51:13 AM »

No trigger to pull liao... lost in the casinos on my weekend trip... damn...

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