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Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« on: August 12, 2011, 02:22:45 PM »
I read about Russian watch history and would like to share with everybody here.
(I was concern if I link to the site, the mods may delete it coz' violation to the rule of linking website selling products.)

So the extracts from the website on Russian watch History:

"Russian watches have a rich and interesting history dating back over 80 years with the creation of the First Moscow Watch Factory, which today manufactures Poljot watches. A highlight of Russia's watch history came in 1961 when cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin took the first ever flight into space with a watch from the First Moscow Watch Factory.

Here's a chronological summary of key events in the history of Russian watchmaking.

1927 - The Labour and Defense Council passed a decree to establish a watch industry to serve government and Red Army needs. The Soviet watches were to be accurate, reliable and not inferior in quality to their Western counterparts. The equipment for the production of these watches was purchased from the USA. This was the origin of the First Moscow Watch Factory.

1930 - The first 50 Russian-made watches were presented at a ceremonial meeting in the Revolution Theatre, now known as the Bolshoi Theatre.

1940 - The "Commander" watch produced by the First Moscow Watch Factory was commonly used by officers of the Red Army. Watches with distinctive engravings were given by the army as a form of reward. In the ten years since the factory opened it produced 2.7 million pocket and wrist watches.

1941 - During World War II The First Moscow Watch Factory was evacuated to the city of Zlatoust. Throughout the war the factory worked for needs of the front producing aircraft watches and sea and aviation chronometers.

1942 - The Chistopol Watch Factory (NK MV 835) was created in July 1st and began manufacturing products for needs of the front. This is the origin of today's Vostok brand.
(Note :This factory was created on the basis of the Second Moscow watch factory and DOS factory,)

1943 - The Chistopol Watch Factory started production of the K-43 man's watch.

1946 - The First Moscow Watch Factory began production of Pobeda (Victory) watches. The name, design and characteristics of these watches were personally approved by Stalin himself.

1949 - The First Moscow Watch Company began production of the Shturmanskie watch. These watches were produced for the air force and were not available for the open market.

1952 -  The Chistopol Watch Factory began release of "Kama" shock-proof watches in water-proof case, clock devices for various branches of a national economy.

1957 - The Sputnik watch was produced, in honour of the launch of the first Soviet satellite. This watch was produced in two versions: with a central second hand and with a transparent disk with a mark in the form of a satellite instead of a second hand. In the same year, by special request, the watch Antarktida (Antarctica) with a twenty-four-hour scale, was designed. This watch was intended for the participants of the first Soviet expedition to the South Pole. Both Antarktida and Sputnik are today a collection rarity, due to the fact that both models were only in production for one year.
The Chistopol Watch Factory release of precision watches: K - 28 "East", "Mir", "Volna", "Saturn", "Cosmos" with lateral and central second hands, a lens and shock-proof movement is mastered. Export of Chisopol watches has increased in 7 times.

1959 - The first Soviet mechanical watch with an alarm function, Signal, was developed. The manufacturing of the watch-chronograph Strela with a one-hand stopwatch and 45-min minute counter commenced. Its dial had extra telemeteric and tachometric scales. Strela watches were not available for open sale, as they were specifically developed for the commanding officers of the air force.

1960 - The First Moscow Watch Factory produced the first watch under the Poljot brand.

1961 - The first ever flight into space in the history of mankind took place. Yuriy Gagarin took the watch of the First Moscow Watch Factory into space with him.

1962 - The "Vostok" watch was awarded a gold medal at the Leipzig international fair. Production of "Komandirskie" watches began at the Chistopol Watch Factory. The factory becomes the official supplier of these watches to the Ministry of Defence of the USSR.

1963 - The Vimpel watch produced at The First Moscow Watch Factory won a Diploma and gold medal at the international exhibition-fair in Leipzig.

1964 - The manufacturing of the watch Orbita with an automatic winding system and 29 rubies was mastered. From this year on the watches of The First Moscow Watch Factory are marked with the trademark Poljot.

1965 - Cosmonaut Andrey Leonov took the Strela watch on the first ever space walk. In the same year the USSR Council of Ministers passed the decree wherein The First Moscow Watch Factory was appointed as the head enterprise in the exportation of mens wrist watches. The watches were exported to 70 countries: USA, Great Britain, Belgium, Italy, Federative Republic of Germany, Hong Kong, Greece, etc. Vostok was appointed an official supplier of watches for the Defense Department of the Soviet Union.

1966 - For successfully developing the national watch industry The First Moscow Watch Factory is awarded with the highest Soviet award the Order of Lenin by the Decree of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.

1968 - Release of "Amphibian" watches is mastered.

1969 - All watches manufactured by Chistopol Watch Factory now use the Vostok brand and the factory began to refer Chistopol watch factory as "Vostok".

1972 - Vostok exports watches to 54 countries of the world.

1972 - The First Moscow Watch Factory increased the volume of production of mechanical wristwatches to 2.7 million. 70% of what the factory produced was sold abroad. Among the new designs was the water-tight watch Amphibia, capable of working under water at a depth of up to 200 meters.

1976 - The First Moscow Watch Factory commenced the production of a the 3133 model. For this development the association of the designers of the The First Moscow Watch Factory was rewarded with the USSR State Prize. Since these watches were intended for the needs of the army and navy, they were produced in limited editions and were not available for open sale. The cosmonauts of Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany took these watches with them into space, and together with V. V. Polyakov, this chronograph set the record for the duration of a space flight.

1986 - Vostok release of water-meters, tahografov accustoms, release of manometers are begun. The factory passes in the Ministry of the radioindustry. Chistopol faculty “Vostok” of Kazan Aircraft University is opened.

1992 -The administration of the Russian president selects Poljot to be the rewarding watch "From the President of the Russian Federation".   

2000 - Volmax is formed by ex-Poljot employees.
        - Vostok Watch Makers Inc. is the leader of the domestic watch and clock industry on volumes of release and sales of a man's watch. Release of the female watches, expensive, prestigious man's watch, a quartz alarm clock are begun.

2001 - Vostok factory became the owner of "The Russian National Olympus” the prestigious premium in a nomination "To Technology. A science" and the winner of "The Russian organization of high social efficiency" competition in a branch nomination.

2003 - Vostok's "Koliz Vostok Co. Ltd" was founded as a joint venture between the Russian movement- and watch-maker "Vostok Watch Maker Inc." and the Lithuanian enterprise "Koliz Ltd." to offer the world market a new generation of automatic watches based on the traditional Russian watch-making technology and new design from Lithuania. The first collection of the new watch brand Vostok Europe was introduced at Basel.

2004 - Vostok-Europe is created
       - Under the slogan  "The best of Soviet technologies for modern watch design" and has been a big success on the world market since that time. Further cooperation between  the Vostok Europe movement supplier (Vostok factory) and  Vostok Europe producer (Koliz Vostok ) has a lot of potential
 








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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 04:05:36 PM »
Some of the Russian watches brand (though not exausive, could be more) as follows :
(Note : some has closed shop already)

1) Poljot - Poljot are based in Moscow and have now built up an international reputation for swiss type movements in stylish designs ranging from the famous Gagarin Sturmanski to more recent Aviator chronographs. You can also find inexpensive 17 jewel watches and alarms

2) Vostok - means "East"; Based in Chistopol, Vostok are known for making military watches for the Red Army during the Cold War. Their designs are credited with being durable, strong and long-lasting. Vostok means "east" in Russian - so called because the factory was set up in Tatarstan, well to the east of Moscow

3) Slava - are based in Moscow and for a long time have produced distinctly Russian/Soviet designs. But times are changing and they are now updating their image with some very stylish watches

4) Molnija - means "lighning"; are know mainly for pocket watches. They make hundreds of designs - all mechanical of course. The Soviet type and those watches celebrating victory in "The Great Patriotic War" (WWII) are the most popular. (IMO, I think no more production these days)

5) Orion were set up about a decade ago and have quickly established themselves as an innovative watchmaking firm. They specialise in tourbillion, see thru and skeleton type designs

6) Raketa - are now sadly out of business. However, there are still many mint Raketa watches out there and we try to get the best of them.

(Note : the above list are not exhausive, there are others like Dolphin, Rekord, Luch, Zlatoust etc)

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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 08:59:00 PM »
Interesting - Thanks for sharing

dc
I am almost a recovered watchaholic, but last checked shows only 70% recovered. How?

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2011, 09:17:42 AM »
Thanks for reading.

Will possibly get the Poljot Signal watch as my first vintage next week.

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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2011, 04:36:53 PM »
For those Russian watch fans, the Russian marking on the watch can be "Greek" to most of us.
There is a discussion on how to decipher the Russian language and can be found here :
http://www.bdwf.net/forum/showthread.php?s=0d94224a5882143a8a699da22c0caee6&t=72259


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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2011, 10:23:02 AM »
Wow, another Russian watch owner in the forum.  ;D

Welcome to MWF, timejazz.
Your Vostok is nice. Love your NATO straps, it matches with the dial.

Cheers.

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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2011, 02:34:54 PM »
just to share my 1980 Vostok Komandirskie on a 18mm NATO strap.  :Jumping: :Jumping: :Jumping:

Timejazz, thanks for sharing your beautiful russian vintage grail!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :Cheers: :Cheers:
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 10:03:28 PM »
Wonder how many MWF members are into Russian watchs?

Last count is 3 (that I know of) = DC(Poljot), timejazz(vostok) and me(Poljot).

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 07:53:12 AM »
That is Nice.  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

How many other Russian watches in your collection, timejazz?

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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2011, 11:58:20 AM »
i come across a russian pilot watch brand name PILOT. it's using Poljot/Maktime Calibre 3133 movement. My question is, is this a sub-brand manufactured under by Poljot?
couldn't find much background/history info regarding this brand. Anyone can share regarding this brand?

below is the spec of the watch..sorry for the direct translation from a german website to english..haha..

"Russian mechanical Poljot / MakTime caliber 3133, diameter 31mm, height: 7.35 mm, manual wind, shock protection, 23 stones, balance wheel escapement Shin Gung 0.33 (3) sec, average daily deviation of -20 to +40 sec / day power reserve with chronograph function enabled: disabled 37 hours / Chrono function: 42 hours"

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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 07:03:45 AM »
Hi Gavin,

Never come across the brand name "Pilot" but "Aviator", yes, I have seen it.
The "Aviator" uses the modern ETA 2824-2 movement.
The 3133 movement still used in most of the Buran's model, as well as the Strela brand. It is a hand winding movement.
The part ".....stones, balance wheel escapement Shin Gung 0.33 (3) sec, average daily ...." - does this denotes it uses some Chinese parts?
Very skeptical about this.
If you are getting from the net, please be careful as there are fakes or mod.s Russian watches(ie a watch with different parts for its movement, bezel, crown etc)



 
 

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2011, 07:14:18 PM »
How about [AD name removed-MOD] ? I believe they many Russian watches >>>>>
« Last Edit: October 17, 2011, 07:10:35 AM by takashi78 »

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2011, 12:56:03 PM »
Hi ericer,
The forum rules prohibit the members to post the AD directly.
You can PM me on your question.

Cheers.

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2011, 07:14:17 PM »
Thank you for the tip off. Appreciate......

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 02:36:37 PM »
Some of the Russian watches brand (though not exausive, could be more) as follows :
(Note : some has closed shop already)

1) Poljot - Poljot are based in Moscow and have now built up an international reputation for swiss type movements in stylish designs ranging from the famous Gagarin Sturmanski to more recent Aviator chronographs. You can also find inexpensive 17 jewel watches and alarms

2) Vostok - means "East"; Based in Chistopol, Vostok are known for making military watches for the Red Army during the Cold War. Their designs are credited with being durable, strong and long-lasting. Vostok means "east" in Russian - so called because the factory was set up in Tatarstan, well to the east of Moscow

3) Slava - are based in Moscow and for a long time have produced distinctly Russian/Soviet designs. But times are changing and they are now updating their image with some very stylish watches

4) Molnija - means "lighning"; are know mainly for pocket watches. They make hundreds of designs - all mechanical of course. The Soviet type and those watches celebrating victory in "The Great Patriotic War" (WWII) are the most popular. (IMO, I think no more production these days)

5) Orion were set up about a decade ago and have quickly established themselves as an innovative watchmaking firm. They specialise in tourbillion, see thru and skeleton type designs

6) Raketa - are now sadly out of business. However, there are still many mint Raketa watches out there and we try to get the best of them.

(Note : the above list are not exhausive, there are others like Dolphin, Rekord, Luch, Zlatoust etc)

i'am on your track,
i very interested into russia watch, especially Vostok
and honestly i'm now into introducing Russia (Vostok) to malaysian.
i dont know it work, just do it, just spread as much as it can.

i have work around and communicating with authorise seller from Russia.
they happy to heard that and they willing to share as well

just information for you, Vostok some new do said it into some bankrupcy, but the true thing is,
the watch factory is still working behind, that what i like about russian.
( you know working secretly what the russian style )
Khan Wooi

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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2011, 02:44:49 PM »
Hi Gavin,

Never come across the brand name "Pilot" but "Aviator", yes, I have seen it.
The "Aviator" uses the modern ETA 2824-2 movement.
The 3133 movement still used in most of the Buran's model, as well as the Strela brand. It is a hand winding movement.
The part ".....stones, balance wheel escapement Shin Gung 0.33 (3) sec, average daily ...." - does this denotes it uses some Chinese parts?
Very skeptical about this.
If you are getting from the net, please be careful as there are fakes or mod.s Russian watches(ie a watch with different parts for its movement, bezel, crown etc)


Nope, never heard this brand "Pilot"
but i do heard there is quite many fake russian watch, make sure you buy from authrorise seller.
you can show the picture of that watch, maybe i can send it to my russian friend see what they said.
Khan Wooi

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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 12:49:31 PM »
Hi Gavin,

Never come across the brand name "Pilot" but "Aviator", yes, I have seen it.
The "Aviator" uses the modern ETA 2824-2 movement.
The 3133 movement still used in most of the Buran's model, as well as the Strela brand. It is a hand winding movement.
The part ".....stones, balance wheel escapement Shin Gung 0.33 (3) sec, average daily ...." - does this denotes it uses some Chinese parts?
Very skeptical about this.
If you are getting from the net, please be careful as there are fakes or mod.s Russian watches(ie a watch with different parts for its movement, bezel, crown etc)


Nope, never heard this brand "Pilot"
but i do heard there is quite many fake russian watch, make sure you buy from authrorise seller.
you can show the picture of that watch, maybe i can send it to my russian friend see what they said.

hi khanwooi,

Thanks for the respond. Not into the "pilot" anymore..got some info of it from other forum, they claimed that this "pilot" is an OEM watch that using the parts and components that supplied from Poljot.

im getting a Volmax's Aviator from German. Hopefully it arrive to me soon, so awaiting!!

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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2011, 02:05:12 PM »
im getting a Volmax's Aviator from German. Hopefully it arrive to me soon, so awaiting!!

Hi Gavin,
All the Best on your Volmax Aviator.
I believe most of the Volmax Aviator's movement are from Poljot with some from others Russian movement like Maktime(especially the 3105).
Do share with us your review (thoughts) and pictures on the Volmax once you have received it.

A short history on Volmax (from "Uncle wiki"):
Volmax was formed in 2002. With the partial demise of the First Moscow Watch Factory ("FMWF") in late 2004. Non-chronograph mechanical movements are delivered by Swiss Eta or Russian Vostok, while chronograph movements are produced by another Russian firm, MakTime. Besides the brand names Buran and Sturmanskie, which were acquired by Volmax in 2004, the current models have nothing to do with the famous models originally produced by the First Moscow Watch Factory.
In 2005, Volmax announced the creation of a new brand, Russian Watch Factory. The logo of P43 is the three letters surrounded by a pentagon; this design is inspired from early Soviet factories that had similar logos. The first model released under the new brand name is called the Patriot . According to Volmax, the new brand will feature colours and shapes from watches of the 1930s and 1940s, but enlarged cases for today's customer preferences.

Volmax's Aviator watch was selected by Miramax for merchandising for the movie The Aviator

Cheerio.







Edit: Deleting the Russian characters as the forum cannout display them.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2011, 02:09:46 PM by Watchnewby »

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2011, 03:13:51 PM »
hi khanwooi,

Thanks for the respond. Not into the "pilot" anymore..got some info of it from other forum, they claimed that this "pilot" is an OEM watch that using the parts and components that supplied from Poljot.

im getting a Volmax's Aviator from German. Hopefully it arrive to me soon, so awaiting!!

hi gavin

you bought Volmax Aviator online?
why dont you visit pavilion or tropicana mall or 1 utama,
there is a shop call [AD name removed - MOD] they do carry volmax aviator watch,
i think they willing to look the watch for you and find for you,

is always better then online, it takes few week to arrive and sometime is crazy if it no response,

yes it more cheaper can be say if you buy online.

good luck, hope you share your volmax aviator picture? is it limited edition, aviator they have lot limited edition.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2011, 08:19:03 AM by takashi78 »
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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2011, 08:54:36 PM »

hi gavin

you bought Volmax Aviator online?
why dont you visit pavilion or tropicana mall or 1 utama,
there is a shop call they do carry volmax aviator watch,
i think they willing to look the watch for you and find for you,

is always better then online, it takes few week to arrive and sometime is crazy if it no response,

yes it more cheaper can be say if you buy online.

good luck, hope you share your volmax aviator picture? is it limited edition, aviator they have lot limited edition.

yes, bought it online. I did look for it with the AD,but it is a 200pcs limited edition worldwide. Been asked the sales staff called all the branches to check out the availability, too bad local AD only brought in 16pcs if not mistaken and all sold out!! :o
« Last Edit: November 02, 2011, 08:19:38 AM by takashi78 »

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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2011, 03:49:04 PM »

hi gavin

you bought Volmax Aviator online?
why dont you visit pavilion or tropicana mall or 1 utama,
there is a shop call they do carry volmax aviator watch,
i think they willing to look the watch for you and find for you,

is always better then online, it takes few week to arrive and sometime is crazy if it no response,

yes it more cheaper can be say if you buy online.

good luck, hope you share your volmax aviator picture? is it limited edition, aviator they have lot limited edition.

yes, bought it online. I did look for it with the AD,but it is a 200pcs limited edition worldwide. Been asked the sales staff called all the branches to check out the availability, too bad local AD only brought in 16pcs if not mistaken and all sold out!! :o

hi gavin
we both is in a wondering time,
you waitting your aviator,
actually i'am waitting my Vostok amphibia as well.
it shipping from russia all the way here, i now wondering where it reach. ???

yes aviator watch normally come with few hundred limited edition, that really make it special,
it do diff with other brand, it really headache when you saw someone wearing the same watch as you when you outside.
 :-[
Khan Wooi

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Re: Russian Vintage Watch - General Information
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2011, 02:41:55 PM »


hi gavin
we both is in a wondering time,
you waitting your aviator,
actually i'am waitting my Vostok amphibia as well.
it shipping from russia all the way here, i now wondering where it reach. ???

yes aviator watch normally come with few hundred limited edition, that really make it special,
it do diff with other brand, it really headache when you saw someone wearing the same watch as you when you outside.
 :-[

oh, really??
yes, I'm still waiting the watch to reach...sighh... :Praying:
pretty much agreed with u...I love things in limited edition or special edition :laugh:. its dedicated and mean something for it.
for example Im wearing my TW Steel today, I love it because its a special edition by Renault F1 team and I love the color matching & design of the dial.

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2011, 07:53:42 PM »
actually i'am into changing my watch strap.

anyone know where can i bought the equipment those can remove the strap?

it kinda need skill, i believe changing the strap can make the watch look more special and unique.
Khan Wooi

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2011, 09:50:55 AM »
actually i'am into changing my watch strap.

anyone know where can i bought the equipment those can remove the strap?

it kinda need skill, i believe changing the strap can make the watch look more special and unique.

You can get the tools to remove the strap from a few places.
1) At Petaling Street, in Selangor Building (according to a friend)
2) Get from the internet (on-line)
3) Get from some of the MWF members here who do sell such tools.

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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2011, 11:08:44 AM »
actually i'am into changing my watch strap.

anyone know where can i bought the equipment those can remove the strap?

it kinda need skill, i believe changing the strap can make the watch look more special and unique.

You can get the tools to remove the strap from a few places.
1) At Petaling Street, in Selangor Building (according to a friend)
2) Get from the internet (on-line)
3) Get from some of the MWF members here who do sell such tools.

yes there is some member here i have approach, they sold off,
it ok thanks,
i will look for online, and will go petaling street if passby,

thanks
Khan Wooi