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Re: Project watch
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2011, 07:27:59 AM »
Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.

Hobbit, dont worry, work slowly, no rush for the watch, I think we all can wait. Important thing is "slow work come out quality" in chinese.  :Cheers:
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Re: Project watch
« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2011, 07:51:16 AM »
Yep... let the search goes on!

Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.

Hobbit, dont worry, work slowly, no rush for the watch, I think we all can wait. Important thing is "slow work come out quality" in chinese.  :Cheers:

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2011, 08:02:27 AM »
Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.

Hobbit, dont worry, work slowly, no rush for the watch, I think we all can wait. Important thing is "slow work come out quality" in chinese.  :Cheers:

hahahaha no worries, I am not in a rush for the watch as well. And I am not ready to give up on quality. Been through a number of homage and small independent brands and have to say, I have seen some really bad ones. It is just putting feelers out there and see what comes back. Also want to be as transparent as I can.

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2011, 08:06:38 AM »
Hi Hobbit,

Yo mentioned the inspiration for the bezel design comes from the 70s Diver? Care to share some of the links or watches with this type of bezel design? just wanna look see look see... ;)

The basic idea for this project is that I myself want one of this watches but I cannot get them anymore. The people who made this watch is not interested to revisit this design and as such I was thinking about the possibility of making one. However, no one would just make one piece as the design is rather unique and it would not be cost effective.

There are many ways we can approach this project. But the main idea is to make one as cheap as possible but not at the cost of quality. I would like to be upfront with this project to say that I will not be making any money on this project, as that is not the idea behind the project. The main idea is to get one for myself and in order to do that, the watch has to be manufactured in bulk.

I have not contacted any manufacturer at the moment to cost the watch but based on past experience and experience of others, the minimum order is 200 pieces as it would not be cost effective for the manufacturer to tool up for a basic run of anything less. The basic issue would be the case design. I expect if we do go forward with the project, it may take somewhere between 3 to 6 months before we actually see the fruits of our labour.

The original design of the watch calls for a 22 mm lug width, but I agree that a 24 mm lug width would be better and perhaps make the watch more balanced. Also as highlighted by terrenceterrence and Friday, it would facilitate strap change. Although the watch will be a 'diver' watch (exploring getting the depth rating up to 300M), I have decided to go with straps by Wotancraft (assuming James is interested). It important to note that the cost of a case rated to 300M is more expensive as the design has to be more robust and requires better and thicker gaskets.

I have chosen the basic bezel design as it looks like the divers of the 70s. It is basic and simple to reduce the cost. The 12 o'clock marker will be filled with luminous material and it will be staked (to ensure it will not fall off).

As for it being a MWF project, we will need the approval of the forum owners/ moderators/ administrators. I intend to have the MWF logo on the solid case back (if approved) and leave the dial as sterile as possible. Do note that the idea of a california dial is on the book as an alternate dial. The choice of solid case back is to reduce cost.

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2011, 08:35:41 AM »
Hi Hobbit,

Yo mentioned the inspiration for the bezel design comes from the 70s Diver? Care to share some of the links or watches with this type of bezel design? just wanna look see look see... ;)


ancs88,

Perhaps it is in error that I said the bezel design comes is inspired by divers watch of the 70s. It is more of the case design. The bezel I would say is inspired by the Rolex Zerograph (1937) and the Longines Weems watches.





As for the case design:







Hope that helps. The watch is a mash of design ideas really.

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2011, 09:22:35 AM »
I feel the case design looks very similar to this ECW...

http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php/topic,1936.0.html

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2011, 09:27:00 AM »
Hi Hobbit,

Yo mentioned the inspiration for the bezel design comes from the 70s Diver? Care to share some of the links or watches with this type of bezel design? just wanna look see look see... ;)


ancs88,

Perhaps it is in error that I said the bezel design comes is inspired by divers watch of the 70s. It is more of the case design. The bezel I would say is inspired by the Rolex Zerograph (1937) and the Longines Weems watches.





As for the case design:







Hope that helps. The watch is a mash of design ideas really.

Wow, a retro of 70's Diver watch with Rolex's bezel (sure the Rolex die-hard fans will want a piece of this)  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Why own this watch, cause you can have Rolex, Omega, Longines, and Tissot in 1 body  :Laughing_on_floor:

How about the dial and face??
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Re: Project watch
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2011, 09:37:20 AM »
It looks great... I am in!!

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2011, 09:39:41 AM »
I had a similar case Tissot some time ago.
Nice chunky watch.


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Re: Project watch
« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2011, 09:50:42 AM »
I feel the case design looks very similar to this ECW...

http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php/topic,1936.0.html

ancs88,

Very likely.

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2011, 10:27:10 AM »
Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.

Hi guys, just thought I’d give my humble suggestion to this project so please don’t flame me for it as I would like to share my recent discovery if you haven’t already know it. I was recently in Steinhart’s website and came across a few special limited edition watches that they made for the Russian and Turkish watch forum and the number produced is fairly low like in the region of 40 – 50 pieces. Of course, the watches they produced for these forums are probably made from existing mould/design with some customization and it is certainly different from the original intent of this project but I thought it may be worth considering if we ever run out of options. With that said, it would of course be better if our sifus here can really materialize this project as nothing beats having our very own designed watch. Just sharing my 2 sen….keep up the good work  :thumbsup:
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Re: Project watch
« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2011, 10:29:15 AM »
I absolutely like the cali dial design. IMHO, no screwdriver is fine if cost would be pushed lower. Case if brushed is better as is not prone to hairline scratches. Other than that, it is absolutely beautiful. One question though, is the dial sterile? It would look better if the MWF logo only is put above 6o'clock ala PAM Logo or Ennebi style. If words, are put on it, it would look a little funny and not too mention a bit weird. I am all for sterile dial!!
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Re: Project watch
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2011, 12:01:53 PM »
Another update:

Found another manufacturer that is willing to do the project at 100 pieces. The expected cost per unit case, dial and hands is about USD 200 (likely less). This is based on the specs given to them. The final costing will be fine tuned dependent on a number of things, like the thickness of the crystal, the lume used, engraving or etching on the case back, even things like the mechanism for the bezel. There are simple spring ball ratchet type design and there are the single spring leg design and more than one spring leg design. Also how the bezel is held in place and choice of plastic or metal movement holder.

This is just to give you an idea of what goes behind the design of a watch and its eventual costing.

Simple ratchet design. Lets not talk about the level of finishing of the hole.







A better ratchet mechanism.



Plastic spacer and movement holder.



The bezel is held by a rubber gasket. This method is used by Seiko and Casio.



The rubber gasket sits inside the groove and the lower lip (in this photo it is the lip at the top as the bezel is upside down) will engage a lip on the case. It will 'lock' as there is an interference gap between the two lips. Look at the different finish of the ratchet tooth. These does have an impact on the costing of the watch.



Using a metal spring ring.



The screwdown crown design of the PRS-2 Dreadnought watch (rated to 2,500M)



So the first thing is to see if we can get to the required number of people for the project to proceed.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 12:07:31 PM by TheHobbit »

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2011, 12:11:09 PM »
I absolutely like the cali dial design. IMHO, no screwdriver is fine if cost would be pushed lower. Case if brushed is better as is not prone to hairline scratches. Other than that, it is absolutely beautiful. One question though, is the dial sterile? It would look better if the MWF logo only is put above 6o'clock ala PAM Logo or Ennebi style. If words, are put on it, it would look a little funny and not too mention a bit weird. I am all for sterile dial!!

G.Mac,

The screwdriver, extra strap (rubber), leather pouch are all the extras that do not cost much but will be voted on when the time comes. Even the choice of going Wotancraft or not (I have yet to speak to them) will be put to a vote.

At the moment, the dial will be sterile. Any markings will be on the case back.

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2011, 03:32:05 PM »
 :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: When the technical too detail, everyone is like :Startled: then again  :Startled: No more response

For me, as long as the bezel is "tak tak" sound, and 1/2 minute turn, waula.. :thumbsup:
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Re: Project watch
« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2011, 04:03:58 PM »
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: When the technical too detail, everyone is like :Startled: then again  :Startled: No more response

For me, as long as the bezel is "tak tak" sound, and 1/2 minute turn, waula.. :thumbsup:

Same  here as long as it makes the "tak tak" sound which i think the single rachet will..and there's a mention of seiko and 2500 m from the prs...Its fine with me..  :Laughing_on_floor:  :Laughing_on_floor:  :Laughing_on_floor: sounds like i do understand right siodee??  :Laughing_on_floor: :HammerHead: :Laughing_on_floor:...

Anyway thanks for your effort dear Hobbit...whatever your final design is...im in.  :Cheers:
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Re: Project watch
« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2011, 04:33:59 PM »
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: When the technical too detail, everyone is like :Startled: then again  :Startled: No more response

For me, as long as the bezel is "tak tak" sound, and 1/2 minute turn, waula.. :thumbsup:

Siodee,

The bezel will be 60 clicks, so no 1/2 minute turn. Sorry.

The reason for the post is not being technical but more of showing what goes into the design and building a watch. For example many people will ask why one bezel cost less than another. Upon closer inspection, you find that the cheaper bezel has the bezel insert mounted with double side tape while the more expensive one is fitted and held by mere tolerances (not always the case sadly). It is to show how one manufacturer can quote USD 69 to manufacture a watch while another is USD 200 (for example).

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2011, 05:07:30 PM »
Great insight into the bezel!

I'm sure this will be a good learning experience and eye opener for all of us.

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2011, 05:56:02 PM »
I love the tech details!!! :thumbsup:

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2011, 08:15:12 PM »
wow, very interesting project going on. keep up the good work mate!

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2011, 08:25:56 PM »
Hobbit ..

Just curious if this is possible .... to engraved the owners number against issued .

Will this inflate cost?

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #96 on: June 28, 2011, 08:27:29 PM »
Hobbit ..

"to engraved the owners number against issued"


What do you mean owners number? You mean name?

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Re: Project watch
« Reply #97 on: June 28, 2011, 08:30:44 PM »
Hobbit ..

"to engraved the owners number against issued"


What do you mean owners number? You mean name?

Like this



here its engraved Nr. 101/250 .. ;)
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Re: Project watch
« Reply #98 on: June 28, 2011, 08:37:28 PM »
Hobbit ..

"to engraved the owners number against issued"


What do you mean owners number? You mean name?

I think he meant engraving the "owners no./xxx; no. issued"... I think this will be of a compliment?? My 2 cents.. ???
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Re: Project watch
« Reply #99 on: June 28, 2011, 09:08:49 PM »
Hobbit ..

Just curious if this is possible .... to engraved the owners number against issued .

Will this inflate cost?

Read the previous pages and you will get your answer.