Rolex a Crown..

[terrenceterrence]

..for every Achievement.

Tudor...A Shield for every F*ck-ups?

[TheHobbit]

..for every Achievement.

Tudor...A Shield for every F*ck-ups?

Perhaps, but I find myself drawn to Tudor more as compared to Rolex. Rolex is an open book when it comes to its history, models and what ever else. True the inner workings of Rolex is very hush hush, but Tudor. What information do we have? Leave Rolex with its celebrity promo, I take Tudor with its standard stock ETA movement. And why not, many times the standard stock movement have proven against in-house movement. IWC BP vs MK XV, Panerai in-house vs. ETA versions. Give me the Snowflake or Tudor Rose (4 line) sub any day.

Of course I can say these as I have both Rolex and Tudor (ratio of 2:3). 

[terrenceterrence]

hahaha I love my Tudor also. Seriously thinking about getting another on y next visit to Nagoya.

Missed out on a Blue 79190. Would love to get that one too.

The build for the price range is really good. BTW is it 316 or 904 in tudors?

[TheHobbit]

hahaha I love my Tudor also. Seriously thinking about getting another on y next visit to Nagoya.

Missed out on a Blue 79190. Would love to get that one too.

The build for the price range is really good. BTW is it 316 or 904 in tudors?

I believe all Tudor are 316L. Don't think big bro will allow Tudor to use 904. Anyway the boys say hi.

[terrenceterrence]

love the Cali DD. From the info gathered on the net, I only find it on sale in Japan. So is the Cali on for the Japanese market?

Hopefully I'll get the cali to join you.

[TheHobbit]

love the Cali DD. From the info gathered on the net, I only find it on sale in Japan. So is the Cali on for the Japanese market?

Hopefully I'll get the cali to join you.

Don't think so as it is available in Taiwan. Perhaps North Asia model? There are 2 version, the date version at 34 mm and the date day at 36 mm. Pretty robust watch as mine flew 10 feet into the bath tub when it got knocked off the sink. Sent to RSC and they said everything ok, but would I like the scratches and dents polished out. Nope leave it as it is as a reminder of how tough the watch is.

[Manburg]

I believe all Tudor are 316L. Don't think big bro will allow Tudor to use 904. Anyway the boys say hi.

Love the Heritage!

[TheHobbit]

Yeah so do I. Sad to see that the watch 'fall out' of flavour so fast. When Tudor first announced the watch, there was a flurry of activities, people were asking where to get one, how much, etc. Prices of the original went through the ceiling and suddenly everyone had one for sale. Sigh....

Now, all died down. No matter, still like the watch. Good value for what it is.

I guess the next big thing for Tudor is if did reissue the Sub or the snowflake. I am sure it will be the same.

[Manburg]

Yeah, I also noticed the fever when it was initially launched. People all over the place, UK included were hunting for the watch like crazy, so much so that it was sold at a premium. So I'm also puzzled as to why it lost its lustre so quickly. Any idea?

[terrenceterrence]

I call it the Volkswagen Beetle effect.

When VeeDub announced that they are coming out with a new Beetle, it was greeted with generous enthusiasm. When it did finally came out, we all realised that it was as described as the great JC "a hair dresser's car".

It was nothing like the classic beetle. It's just a Golf with different clothes. It's engine is infront!! how sacrilegious 

So back to The Heritage Chrono. The should have not went with the "trendy" direction and upsized the watch. Just maintain it as it is 40mm and not stick a tiny movement in a big case. Kinda lives up to it's term as an "airhead". Ppl are fast to realise that it's jsut a fancy case with very ordinary "innards".

[kinson]

Whats the general view on Tudor? I can't seem to find much information on it via Wikipedia, and the site is hard to navigate (so hard to browse the models). I just know that it's a sub-brand of Rolex, and I think the prices are almost within reach for me, lol.

Any recommended sites for Tudor info?

[TheHobbit]

I suspect it is the realisation that the movement fitted in the Heritage is not one of your vanilla flavour. The movement is the ETA 2892 + DD 2054 (Dubois et Depraz module). Many seems to think that a watch last a life time without the need to service the watch. With normal ETA movement like the ETA 2824, you can basically send the watch to your watch guy and he 'should' be able to service the movement.

Now with the ETA 2892 + DD 2054, this becomes difficult as the average watch guy may not be able to service the movement. So watch repair guy will just replace the module, thinking that it cannot be serviced. This is far from the truth. The DD module can be serviced, but you really need to know what you are doing and it also takes a lot of your time. So most watch repair guy will just say no, bad movement, not strong, the gears will wear out etc. It takes a real watchmaker to service any watch with the Dubois-dépraz module. After all even AP has a DD module piggyback in the ROO. Don't see much of an issue there. Same with the Speedmaster reduced (Dubois-Dépraz 2020 chronograph module piggybacked on an ETA 2890-A2).

I think most people got scared or are afraid (due to lack on knowledge, or whatever the reason it may be) because of the horror stories they heard about the movement or about the module. As such they abstain from buying what I think is a great watch. True, it would be nice if Tudor have kept the watch at 40 mm, I guess market forces dictate the watch to be bigger. Panerai is moving to 47 mm, which is the new 44 mm.

As for me, I have had good experience with RSC and I am sure the people there have or will be trained to service the watch when the service is due. So I am not really worried. I will inform you guys in about 5 years what is the cost to have the heritage serviced.

If you want horror stories (on their service centers) to prevent you from buying a particular brand, I have lots (based on personal experience).

[TheHobbit]

Whats the general view on Tudor? I can't seem to find much information on it via Wikipedia, and the site is hard to navigate (so hard to browse the models). I just know that it's a sub-brand of Rolex, and I think the prices are almost within reach for me, lol.

Any recommended sites for Tudor info?

Try

http://www.tudorcollector.com/index.php

The site is a good start point for Tudor watches. It covers vintage Tudor models. If you want the current collection, it is best to get the catalogue from RSC. It has a 'better' presentation as compared to the website (IMHO).

Some basic information about Tudor:

Tudor is a sister brand of Rolex
Founder: Hans Wilsdof

It was registered in 1926. Wilsdorf wanted to establish Tudor SA in the early 1900 but could not as the brand was owned by Isaac Blumenthal, a gem merchant based in Geneva. It was only in the 40s that he could use the name. Montres Tudor SA was established in Geneva in 1946. Early Tudors were signed by a English Tudor Rose. This was later replaced by the Coat of Arms in the 60s.

Its first watch appeared in the 1930s
It launched its first Oyster in 1947
The Tudor Oyster Prince & Princess came out in the 1950s
The Tudor Prince Submariner was issued in the 1960s
The Tudor Oyster Date Chronograph was launched in 1971

It uses ETA movement but built to Rolex/ Tudor specifications. However in the 50s, Tudor actually had its 'own' movement. OK, it was modified by Rolex, but it was used exclusively by Tudor. It was Rotor-Prince 390 calibre. It was a 12.5 ligne 17 jewel automatic movement, which is based on the Fleurier 350 calibre. This movement, the Tudor 390, was also fitted on early Tudor Submariners.

Along with the Rolex brand, Hans Wilsdorf registered the brand Omigra. That was in 1909. A year later in 1910, he registered the brand Elvira. This was followed by the brand Marconi Lever in 1911. Other brands he registered include:

Marguerite - 1912
Lexis - 1916
LON - 1919
Brex - 1919
Falcon - 1920
Rolco - 1927
Rox - 1927

[kinson]

@TheHobbit: Wow, awesome information. You're a walking encyclopedia, lol. Thanks, the site is useful too!

[ancs88]

Whats the general view on Tudor? I can't seem to find much information on it via Wikipedia, and the site is hard to navigate (so hard to browse the models). I just know that it's a sub-brand of Rolex, and I think the prices are almost within reach for me, lol.

Any recommended sites for Tudor info?

Try

http://www.tudorcollector.com/index.php

The site is a good start point for Tudor watches. It covers vintage Tudor models. If you want the current collection, it is best to get the catalogue from RSC. It has a 'better' presentation as compared to the website (IMHO).

Some basic information about Tudor:

Tudor is a sister brand of Rolex
Founder: Hans Wilsdof

It was registered in 1926. Wilsdorf wanted to establish Tudor SA in the early 1900 but could not as the brand was owned by Isaac Blumenthal, a gem merchant based in Geneva. It was only in the 40s that he could use the name. Montres Tudor SA was established in Geneva in 1946. Early Tudors were signed by a English Tudor Rose. This was later replaced by the Coat of Arms in the 60s.

Its first watch appeared in the 1930s
It launched its first Oyster in 1947
The Tudor Oyster Prince & Princess came out in the 1950s
The Tudor Prince Submariner was issued in the 1960s
The Tudor Oyster Date Chronograph was launched in 1971

It uses ETA movement but built to Rolex/ Tudor specifications. However in the 50s, Tudor actually had its 'own' movement. OK, it was modified by Rolex, but it was used exclusively by Tudor. It was Rotor-Prince 390 calibre. It was a 12.5 ligne 17 jewel automatic movement, which is based on the Fleurier 350 calibre. This movement, the Tudor 390, was also fitted on early Tudor Submariners.

Along with the Rolex brand, Hans Wilsdorf registered the brand Omigra. That was in 1909. A year later in 1910, he registered the brand Elvira. This was followed by the brand Marconi Lever in 1911. Other brands he registered include:

Marguerite - 1912
Lexis - 1916
LON - 1919
Brex - 1919
Falcon - 1920
Rolco - 1927
Rox - 1927

Very informative!!! Thanks! By the way, I don't really understand why AP still uses Piggyback chrono module on their Roo, since they are a high end watchmaker and the Roo doesn't come cheap!

[Gigi]

Regarding tudor sub movement.

I remeber it somewhere saying that its ETA 2824 uses trovis regulator which is also used in Lemania 5100 movement instead of the usual type found on other watches. It enable percise regulation of the watch.

Damn still hitting myself for letting one go few mth ago.. 

[GlennTanChiaChiah]

I believe all Tudor are 316L. Don't think big bro will allow Tudor to use 904. Anyway the boys say hi.





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Loving the Heritage Chrono and Snowflake.

[dennis.T]

is it Snowflake packed with ETA 2824?

[TheHobbit]

is it Snowflake packed with ETA 2824?

No.

7016 - ETA Cal. 2483.
7021 - ETA Cal. 2484.
9401/0 and 94010 - ETA Cal. 2776.
9411/0 and 94110 - ETA Cal. 2784. Some are fitted with ETA Cal. 2783

[dennis.T]

erm..maybe i should start to spend some time on the sister brand...i know nothing abt Tudor...
another Q...is it blue dial snowflake is special edt or just variation to the black dial?

[TheHobbit]

erm..maybe i should start to spend some time on the sister brand...i know nothing abt Tudor...
another Q...is it blue dial snowflake is special edt or just variation to the black dial?

Both are normal edition. Both dials were issued at the same time. The story everyone likes is that the blue replace the black as the black is more prone to dial rot, hence the black dial rarer.