Author Topic: please help find out whether fake or ori Pam441 (Read 5292 times)

nirvana7 · « **on:** April 25, 2016, 05:26:24 PM »

Dear Sifus and daikor,

Can someone help me to identify is this a fake PAM 441 or ori....as i found out that the picture is different from what i got at Panerai website, but the seller said his model is 2012 version.

Cwlwatch · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2016, 05:50:55 PM »

It's fake

rnsm1979 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2016, 06:18:11 PM »

as usual, the rule of thumb,
buy the seller, not the watch,
if it was suspicious, is best to walk out from the deal rather than regret later

smithga99 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2016, 07:44:56 PM »

this part seems suspicious the officine panerai should not stick together. just my two cents

kygan711 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2016, 07:49:50 PM »

Got box and papers or not? And can he show you receipt where bought it from ?
Anyway if the price is too low it's usually too good to be true cause there are not many dumb sellers around.

tonykpk · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2016, 09:21:46 PM »

Pam don't use this movement..

nirvana7 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2016, 10:30:36 PM »

Tq all sifu..Box paper ready but no receipt..the suspicious part is the date dash as the ori one always shorter..the seller willing to go verify but malaysia panerai sc doesnt open the case where they only check the exterior..so im worry the top replica might have the exact same exterior

sean · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2016, 06:34:04 AM »

By look at the ugly movement u know is fake , no need to waste your time anymore .

Spider boy · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2016, 07:04:40 AM »

whole watch looks fake to me , the dials, the case colour.. or maybe is ur camera.... panerai make much nicer watches than that...! btw, i am not sure how much he is charging you but there is always no free lunch !

tonykpk · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2016, 08:45:45 AM »

No need to open case. Already can see the movement. What more is there to look for ?

Quote from: tonykpk on April 25, 2016, 09:21:46 PM

Pam don't use this movement..

Everdying · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2016, 09:43:36 AM »

this is one of the more popular fakes around, i seen them selling for around rm1k...some unscrupulous sellers have them for close to rm10k.
obviously all are still way below the market price of it.

so the obvious question that hasnt been asked yet - how much is it?

nirvana7 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2016, 11:27:24 AM »

I didnt buy it. ....the seller is selling a good rm25k for this....the photo was taken by the seller...but the thing is he willing to cod at panerai sc....so it's confusing...haha

Everdying · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2016, 05:17:13 PM »

Quote from: nirvana7 on April 26, 2016, 11:27:24 AM

I didnt buy it. ....the seller is selling a good rm25k for this....the photo was taken by the seller...but the thing is he willing to cod at panerai sc....so it's confusing...haha

then we can assume the seller has also been duped into thinking its an original.

and one as a potential buyer should also do their own due dilligence.
there are enough resources out there on how to differentiate original from fake, especially for this model, detailing everything from hands, bezel, lugs, movement etc.

nuartogel · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2016, 11:13:45 PM »

Devilzzz44 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 27, 2016, 07:54:29 AM »

Sorry but pretty bad fake...just curious...how much have u paid for this?

Lurch · « **Reply #15 on:** April 27, 2016, 12:01:19 PM »

Is the sellers surname Lim?

AbbasHabshee · « **Reply #16 on:** April 27, 2016, 07:50:46 PM »

The movement surely show the fake part! I wouldn't deal with this person if i were you. To me, this watch value nothing better of buying a seiko 5 than this piece

Masketeer · « **Reply #17 on:** April 28, 2016, 07:01:26 AM »

fake...the p9000 movement don't look genuine

lancet · « **Reply #18 on:** May 07, 2016, 06:47:26 AM »

apart from the movement
the crown has got some paint flaking off it.
and the strap is off.. the stitching is poor and the leather has little bits missing
imo it should be perfect

some general tips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU76nhgpQCk

watchfreak · « **Reply #19 on:** May 25, 2016, 05:05:04 PM »

Rule of thumb, if the price is too good to be true, in most cases u just walk away from the deal. Retail from Grey importer should be around RM 40k now if not more. The movement looks darn fake la.

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roystock · « **Reply #20 on:** May 25, 2016, 06:20:37 PM »

I am never good in spotting fake but this is downright ugly.

stnet · « **Reply #21 on:** May 26, 2016, 04:30:21 PM »

better be safe than sorry..

elado249 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 28, 2016, 09:59:39 PM »

It's totally fake. Its ceramic but by just looking at it the color faded..and the engine finishing is rough

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chiewata · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2016, 07:49:21 PM »

The best way to authenticate is send in to Panerai service centre at Menara Stanchard for service

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Everdying · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2016, 08:01:40 PM »

the TS has long since gone

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Author Topic: please help find out whether fake or ori Pam441 (Read 5292 times)