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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2014, 08:11:14 AM »
Nice pictures, but very average watch.

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2014, 08:27:43 AM »
Nice pictures, but very average watch.

What do you consider average about this watch?

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2014, 12:03:09 PM »
Nice pictures, but very average watch.

What do you consider average about this watch?
Hahaha. Maybe it is because it is a Seiko and Seiko only makes cheap and at best "very average"  watches. Only high end Swiss watches like VC will be considered as above average in Nobby's books.   ;)

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2014, 12:18:08 PM »
Nice pictures, but very average watch.

What do you consider average about this watch?
Hahaha. Maybe it is because it is a Seiko and Seiko only makes cheap and at best "very average"  watches. Only high end Swiss watches like VC will be considered as above average in Nobby's books.   ;)

Good, that’s one less person to compete when acquiring ‘average’ watches like Grand Seiko. There’s not that many to go around anyway…

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2014, 02:33:21 PM »
Gents

Please do not jump to a conclusion so far off the mark.

My opinion is entirely based upon my own ownership of a beautiful Grand Seiko SB a few years back now. I am not going to talk bad of the brand or the watch itself, I brought originally because I was convinced that it was very stylish and good value for money...and I still feel the same way - they make a beautiful addition to a collection.

My watch (along with other bits and pieces) was stolen from a locker on a shipyard in China...I hope the low life thief enjoys the watch as much as I did!

My conclusion that the watch is average is based upon the fact the general finish did not "age" well and the watches accuracy was not at all good, despite 2x services during a three year period.
I work a lot on ship yards and heavy industrial sites and the GS did not meet my expectations. However, is the brand a producer of beautiful watches? Absolutely Yes! Are they good value? I think so! Would I have another? No...

On a serious note; I hope this site accepts opinions, whether they be good or bad. If it is only complimentary comments accepted its a great shame.
Cheers Nobby


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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2014, 02:58:13 PM »
sorry to heard about your watch being stolen, surely painful one..

do share more of your GS experience Nobby, love to hear more from GS owner :)

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2014, 03:02:36 PM »
Nice pictures, but very average watch.

What do you consider average about this watch?
Hahaha. Maybe it is because it is a Seiko and Seiko only makes cheap and at best "very average"  watches. Only high end Swiss watches like VC will be considered as above average in Nobby's books.   ;)

Good, that’s one less person to compete when acquiring ‘average’ watches like Grand Seiko. There’s not that many to go around anyway…



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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2014, 03:19:45 PM »
Gents

Please do not jump to a conclusion so far off the mark.

My opinion is entirely based upon my own ownership of a beautiful Grand Seiko SB a few years back now. I am not going to talk bad of the brand or the watch itself, I brought originally because I was convinced that it was very stylish and good value for money...and I still feel the same way - they make a beautiful addition to a collection.

My watch (along with other bits and pieces) was stolen from a locker on a shipyard in China...I hope the low life thief enjoys the watch as much as I did!

My conclusion that the watch is average is based upon the fact the general finish did not "age" well and the watches accuracy was not at all good, despite 2x services during a three year period.
I work a lot on ship yards and heavy industrial sites and the GS did not meet my expectations. However, is the brand a producer of beautiful watches? Absolutely Yes! Are they good value? I think so! Would I have another? No...

On a serious note; I hope this site accepts opinions, whether they be good or bad. If it is only complimentary comments accepted its a great shame.
Cheers Nobby

Your initial post was too brief hence the questions. Please do share more of your old GS experience . What do you mean by not aging well? . I definitely would wanna know both the good and the bad of owning a particular brand

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2014, 04:34:43 PM »
Gents

Please do not jump to a conclusion so far off the mark.

My opinion is entirely based upon my own ownership of a beautiful Grand Seiko SB a few years back now. I am not going to talk bad of the brand or the watch itself, I brought originally because I was convinced that it was very stylish and good value for money...and I still feel the same way - they make a beautiful addition to a collection.

My watch (along with other bits and pieces) was stolen from a locker on a shipyard in China...I hope the low life thief enjoys the watch as much as I did!

My conclusion that the watch is average is based upon the fact the general finish did not "age" well and the watches accuracy was not at all good, despite 2x services during a three year period.
I work a lot on ship yards and heavy industrial sites and the GS did not meet my expectations. However, is the brand a producer of beautiful watches? Absolutely Yes! Are they good value? I think so! Would I have another? No...

On a serious note; I hope this site accepts opinions, whether they be good or bad. If it is only complimentary comments accepted its a great shame.
Cheers Nobby
My apologies for the sarcasm.  You are of course entitled to your own opinions.  It is just that your initial posting seems rather vague and felt a little like trolling. I am sorry to hear that your watch got stolen.  I too would like to hear from another GS owner as to why you fell out of love with it.  Could you let us know which model you owned? I am guessing it is not a hi beat or springdrive movement as accuracy is the last thing that you would complain about, unless it is broken.  What do you mean by the general finish not aging well?  Scratches too easily?

You had a bad experience with one single watch from GS and you could generalize that all GS models are "very average" based on that one experience although they could differ significantly in design and movement?  That part, I don't really get.  ???  What a great shame.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2014, 04:39:27 PM by Yikkie »

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2014, 06:40:24 PM »
Hey people, to each is own ..... if he thinks it's average so be it, why need to "whack him" .... it is good that not all will appreciate Grand Seiko .... so that the resale value remains low  :laugh: so maybe can consider a pre-owned or pre-loved as another play watch.  :Dancing_banana: :Cheers:

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2014, 07:00:57 PM »
Not "whacking" lah.  Just a debate with some banter thrown in.   ;D To each his own...just trying to understand the logic...but not everything or everyone is logical I guess.   ::). Must be the nerdy engineer in me trying to reach out.   :P

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2014, 07:47:01 PM »
The OP's photos are nice....but the rotor seems very thin for a watch of this high price.

The finishing of GS is super, but I believe the swiss mid-range luxury brands like Breitling, Omega, IWC, Panerai, Blancpain, JLC are improving fast also. So, the difference is getting smaller. Even normal Seikos like the Sumo diver, ananta have also improved their finishing. So the wow factor of GS is not so much now.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2014, 08:03:43 PM »
Also it is easier to find a gs now compared to 10 years ago. So not unique or exclusive anymore. Also I think the production number has increased.

But gs is still very good value for money.

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2014, 08:50:22 PM »
Despite knowing that technically GS is better built and finished than many swiss made brands, but I still can't get over the fact that it still use the name Seiko.

I know this has been discussed and debated many times and at different forums, but I want my Rolex a Rolex, not Grand Tudor and my Lexus a Lexus, not Grand Toyota.

One of the reasons why GS is still not in my collections yet, some day, maybe.....
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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2014, 09:02:08 PM »
Despite knowing that technically GS is better built and finished than many swiss made brands, but I still can't get over the fact that it still use the name Seiko.

I know this has been discussed and debated many times and at different forums, but I want my Rolex a Rolex, not Grand Tudor and my Lexus a Lexus, not Grand Toyota.

One of the reasons why GS is still not in my collections yet, some day, maybe.....

or grand alba for your normal seiko..... :Laughing_on_floor:

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2014, 09:13:45 PM »
Despite knowing that technically GS is better built and finished than many swiss made brands, but I still can't get over the fact that it still use the name Seiko.

I know this has been discussed and debated many times and at different forums, but I want my Rolex a Rolex, not Grand Tudor and my Lexus a Lexus, not Grand Toyota.

One of the reasons why GS is still not in my collections yet, some day, maybe.....
Well...very valid points...but why allow a name stop you from enjoying a superb watch? It is like saying no to a super hot supermodel just because her name is Helga or something.  If you were to buy a watch for yourself, the name should not matter because you yourself know that it is a special watch but if you are buying it for the prestige of the brand and want to show it off occasionally, GS is definitely not for you...but that is why we need a collection of watches.  Some to shiok sendiri and some to shiok lain-lain.   :D. GS is certainly not the be all and end all brand out there, not even close but they certainly make their watches with astonishing level of details (for the price) like no other.  You know you want one.   :laugh:

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2014, 09:26:43 PM »
Also it is easier to find a gs now compared to 10 years ago. So not unique or exclusive anymore. Also I think the production number has increased.

But gs is still very good value for money.

GS is definitely much more common now, for better or worse. Production number has definitely increased significantly as GS used to be only marketed in Asia...namely Japan, Taiwan and HK as they could not cope with demand.  Some would argue that it is bad value for money as it has the SEIKO name on the dial.  Well, it would indeed be a boring (or peaceful) world if everyone agrees on something...but if you judge solely on the quality of watchmaking, GS has no peers in its price category.  It will be hard to argue against that. 

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2014, 09:42:55 PM »
Also it is easier to find a gs now compared to 10 years ago. So not unique or exclusive anymore. Also I think the production number has increased.

But gs is still very good value for money.

GS is definitely much more common now, for better or worse. Production number has definitely increased significantly as GS used to be only marketed in Asia...namely Japan, Taiwan and HK as they could not cope with demand.  Some would argue that it is bad value for money as it has the SEIKO name on the dial.  Well, it would indeed be a boring (or peaceful) world if everyone agrees on something...but if you judge solely on the quality of watchmaking, GS has no peers in its price category.  It will be hard to argue against that.

At 15k to 20k region or a bit more....can get nomos, zenith elite, omega 8500, breitling b01 navitimer. All equally good imho. One matter that need to admit is that we dont see many japanese wearing gs. Japanese watch mags also like to focus on rolex and omega...very very popular in japan!!!!
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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2014, 10:06:44 PM »
Also it is easier to find a gs now compared to 10 years ago. So not unique or exclusive anymore. Also I think the production number has increased.

But gs is still very good value for money.

GS is definitely much more common now, for better or worse. Production number has definitely increased significantly as GS used to be only marketed in Asia...namely Japan, Taiwan and HK as they could not cope with demand.  Some would argue that it is bad value for money as it has the SEIKO name on the dial.  Well, it would indeed be a boring (or peaceful) world if everyone agrees on something...but if you judge solely on the quality of watchmaking, GS has no peers in its price category.  It will be hard to argue against that.

At 15k to 20k region or a bit more....can get nomos, zenith elite, omega 8500, breitling b01 navitimer. All equally good imho.
Haha.  Funny you should mention, I have a Nomos, Zenith El Primero, Zenith Elite and an Omega...they are excellent in their own unique ways but when it comes to finishing of the case, dial, markers, hands and movement, the GS is still very much ahead in my humble opinion. 

I don't know enough Japanese people to comment on how many of them wear GS.  Rolex and Omega along with other Swiss and German brands are of course very popular in Japan.  They can't just be focused on their own domestic brands no matter how good those brands are.  For example, the Japanese undeniably make really excellent cars but German and Italian cars are also very popular there and probably the focus of many magazines.  Please excuse my ignorance but I really could not understand the conclusion that you are trying to reach.
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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2014, 01:25:52 AM »
Nice watch although I dont know if i would buy such an expensive Seiko tho but still its definitely a nice timepiece

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2014, 09:20:53 AM »
Also it is easier to find a gs now compared to 10 years ago. So not unique or exclusive anymore. Also I think the production number has increased.

But gs is still very good value for money.

GS is definitely much more common now, for better or worse. Production number has definitely increased significantly as GS used to be only marketed in Asia...namely Japan, Taiwan and HK as they could not cope with demand.  Some would argue that it is bad value for money as it has the SEIKO name on the dial.  Well, it would indeed be a boring (or peaceful) world if everyone agrees on something...but if you judge solely on the quality of watchmaking, GS has no peers in its price category.  It will be hard to argue against that.

At 15k to 20k region or a bit more....can get nomos, zenith elite, omega 8500, breitling b01 navitimer. All equally good imho.
Haha.  Funny you should mention, I have a Nomos, Zenith El Primero, Zenith Elite and an Omega...they are excellent in their own unique ways but when it comes to finishing of the case, dial, markers, hands and movement, the GS is still very much ahead in my humble opinion. 

I don't know enough Japanese people to comment on how many of them wear GS.  Rolex and Omega along with other Swiss and German brands are of course very popular in Japan.  They can't just be focused on their own domestic brands no matter how good those brands are.  For example, the Japanese undeniably make really excellent cars but German and Italian cars are also very popular there and probably the focus of many magazines.  Please excuse my ignorance but I really could not understand the conclusion that you are trying to reach.

Yikkie, no doubt GS has really nice finishing ...... not every watch person may appreciate that, most are brand loyalist and wants to be associated with the brand that's why he is saying for that price point with his limited budget he will get all the other watches and he still have surplus funds may consider a GS .... unlike you who is more willing to try and has deeper pockets  :Laughing_on_floor:

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2014, 10:17:50 AM »
In response to a couple of the earlier queries and accusatory remarks (  ::) ) -

a. I am most definately not a watch snob. I will go out of my way, quite literally, to own watches which do not attract unwarrant attention or be instantly recognisable to the masses. I avoid in your face BLING like the plague. Wearing a Submariner (and before I get slated...I like Subs) gets the attention of practically all in a crowded room...this I don't like. Wearing a more exclusive / exotic brand gets the knowing glance appreciation from the small minority of watch lovers only...this I much prefer. The Grand Seiko is fantastic in this regard.

b. The cost of a watch is no gauge for my level of desire for ownership. I do not care where the watch is manufactured, or by whome. I like and appreciate quality and value in equal measures. "Some" of the most beautiful watches on this planet are Japanese or English, German, Dutch etc. A watch does not NEED to be Swiss, for me to own, want or need.

c. Original comment was brief because I was sat in traffic typing with my thumb whilst driving (i know i shouldn't).

d. My ownership experience of a SBGM Auto GMT back in 2004/5 to 2008 (ish) was a 'love affair' not without it's issues. I loved the look and elegance of the watch. I adored its exclusivity and understated beauty...but;

Issue 1. My watch, which I bought preowned, was only 10 months old and in 9/10 condition when I took ownership. The watch was originally on the st/st bracelet and I wore it most days whilst out and about in a shipyard environment. I found that the bracelet (mainly) and body scratched extremely easily and did not withstand the rigors of my working day at all well. The watch rapidly aged and eventually I found that my GS no longer looked sufficiently pristine enough for formal occasions...this was after only 12 months of ownership. Note - I totally accept that my working environment was not "ideal" for classy watch wearing, but I bought this watch to replace a 12 year old Sub and unfortunately the GS looked worse than the Sub even after the Sub had had 12 years of abuse in much rougher conditions.
My Opinion - My GS did not suit my lifestyle demands - I loved it, but it deteriorated too quickly. If you have a GS please treat it good.

Issue 2. The watch dual time function was excellent, but as mentioned above, I bought the watch preowned and my everyday working environment was quite nasty. About 18 months into my ownership the watch began to loose time - up to 30 minutes over a 4 or 5 day period. So I sent the watch away for service and requested that they replace the bracelet with a leather (croc) strap, whilst they had it. Because I was not the original owner and had no original warranty entitlement, this servicing and parts cost a substantial packet. You note that I had the watch Serviced, rather than repaired. I assumed that the servicing would fix the lost time issues...
It didn't. The watch now looked much smarter with it's new strap, but the accuracy issue was still a problem. So...after another 6 or so months I could wait no longer. I sent the watch, via the dealer in Shanghai, back to Seiko for repair. Lots of money later the watch was returned to me having had its offending bit replaced. Watch was now great, keeping good time and looking scratched/scarred and ultra cool.
6 months or so later, some scum bag had it away with my locker contents, including watch and wallet  :Mad:

My Opinion - My ownership experience was soured by these issues.

So...Looks 10/10, Value 8/10, Durability 4/10, Reliability 4/10

My overall Assessment - Average

Regards
Nobby
 

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2014, 01:19:05 PM »
great story Nobby, i can totally understand your situation, somehow GS watch are polished into very shine surface compare to SUB hence it get "aged" look easier esp in your working environment, i must admit that GS may not be as tough as SUB do

i'm quite surprise the accuracy was so bad, perhaps the older movement compare with all my current (2012 or later model) which running pretty fine (within COSC at least), i would not dare to say all GS must be 100% good in accuracy but i believe their QC is getting more strict for pass few years, u must be very lucky to get a lemon piece :p

thanks for sharing and appreciated :)

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2014, 01:33:40 PM »
Hi David,

I am sure that you are correct. As with everthing else in this world of ours, there's always a rogue bad 'un (as they say in Manchester). I think the one I had was a late Friday afternoon special  :-\

They are a beautiful watch, enjoy your GS to the full and wear it in good health  :Cheers:

Nobby

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Re: The Beauty of Grand Seiko
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2014, 02:11:37 PM »
sorry i don't have GS, so i wanna double check, is GS using pin in their bracelets?