Tag Heuer using Seiko Movement

[chengho99]

Tag Heuer using Seiko movement . Meaning that we shall buy Seiko instead of Tag Heuer ?
Any opinion?

[chrisyen]

i dont see it this way...
many watches used swatch eta... why not just buy swatch then?
many watches used seagull movement, buy seagull then?

for tag 1887 if you are referring.
tag in fact modified the  seiko movement... the rotor also so much nicer dy!

most of the time we buy a watch.... due to its outlook !
outside dont sing to me.... no buy !

[CKL1213]

casing and bracelet of Tag is actually not bad

[watzisname]

Actually using third party movement is not a crime, but didn't tagheuer tried to pass off tag 1887 as their own "designed from scratch" movement?

[hanz079]

This is a quite old story... forgiven but definitely not forgotten.

Yes Tag Heuer did say it was in house in it's earlier Press Release.
A statement that was clarified by the then CEO Mr.Babin.
From then on, the definition of "in house" is as murky as a glass of teh tarik.
Yes they did get the IP from Seiko.
The movement IP is bought from Seiko, not ebauches.
The movement itself is manufactured in Switzerland, just that the design is "based" off the Seiko IP.
So you guys can make your own conclusions.

Chris is right.
When we buy a watch, the movement itself is not the only criteria, although it does add a little snob effect to it.
In the end, you would have to like the watch to purchase it.
Even the tried and tested ETA 2824 has been used in watches ranging from 3k to 50k.
If you were to look at just the movement used, then the 50k piece sounds ridiculous... but will the 3k piece satisfy you criteria?

[sshark]

Though ETA 2824 and 2892 were made by Swatch, there is no Swatch model that has 2824 nor 2892 in them. The calibre used in Swatch watches are different those those they used in Omega. In essence, we cannot buy Swatch for ETA 2892.

i dont see it this way...
many watches used swatch eta... why not just buy swatch then?
many watches used seagull movement, buy seagull then?

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[Clicko]

For me watch dial is the most important and the secondary is movement. Many nice watches are using eta 2824 too.

If not mistaken Omega coaxial 2500 in Seamaster diver 300m aka the james bond watch is also using modified eta 2824 and then they added in the coaxial escapement.

[hanz079]

For me watch dial is the most important and the secondary is movement. Many nice watches are using eta 2824 too.

If not mistaken Omega coaxial 2500 in Seamaster diver 300m aka the james bond watch is also using modified eta 2824 and then they added in the coaxial escapement.

Omega caliber 2500 is a modified 2892-A2 fitted with co-axial escapement, not 2824

[spacewalker]

About the Tag Heuer using Seiko movement, yes it is make me think twice to buy their watches.  Movement come in many grade: standard,elabore,top and chronometer. This might help. copy from the internet.
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For me,  I'm always choose movement as the first criteria then the price. Some brand sell over RM13k for their watch that use ETA 7750 , but the other brand use the same movement plus with the incabloc for shock absorber and Nivarox balance spring and the price is less than RM6k. That is a better value and better performance. 

[dualcarb]

If you like the watch, then go for it. Doesn't matter if it uses an ETA or Seiko or any movement for that matter. The only person that matters whether or not a watch is worth it's price is you...

[hanz079]

About the Tag Heuer using Seiko movement, yes it is make me think twice to buy their watches.  Movement come in many grade: standard,elabore,top and chronometer. This might help. copy from the internet.
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For me,  I'm always choose movement as the first criteria then the price. Some brand sell over RM13k for their watch that use ETA 7750 , but the other brand use the same movement plus with the incabloc for shock absorber and Nivarox balance spring and the price is less than RM6k. That is a better value and better performance.

How do u choose movement then price?
Just wondering.
If both pieces powered by 7750, one at 3k but godawful design (subjective) and another at 10k but with a design you really like, you would go for the 3k one?

[contender]

Well some so called watch makers are merely marketing company ... uses so called modified eta, some even use stock eta albeit the better grade ones, merely marketing company, assembler ..... so a lot of the cost goes to adverts, endorsements etc

There are many out there ..... should I list down here 

It really is up to individual ... real in house movements are far and between and won't come cheap. Well good things don't come cheap

[Clicko]

Good catch you are right... you guys are quite technical eh...

For me watch dial is the most important and the secondary is movement. Many nice watches are using eta 2824 too.

If not mistaken Omega coaxial 2500 in Seamaster diver 300m aka the james bond watch is also using modified eta 2824 and then they added in the coaxial escapement.

Omega caliber 2500 is a modified 2892-A2 fitted with co-axial escapement, not 2824

[chrisyen]

Well some so called watch makers are merely marketing company ... uses so called modified eta, some even use stock eta albeit the better grade ones, merely marketing company, assembler ..... so a lot of the cost goes to adverts, endorsements etc

There are many out there ..... should I list down here 

It really is up to individual ... real in house movements are far and between and won't come cheap. Well good things don't come cheap

seiko 5 is inhouse....

[Clicko]

Well some so called watch makers are merely marketing company ... uses so called modified eta, some even use stock eta albeit the better grade ones, merely marketing company, assembler ..... so a lot of the cost goes to adverts, endorsements etc

There are many out there ..... should I list down here 

It really is up to individual ... real in house movements are far and between and won't come cheap. Well good things don't come cheap

seiko 5 is inhouse....

Seiko 5 is ok and cheap if you don't mind of the daily rate which sucks.

[chengho99]

In other word should I put in this way
We choose the brand instead of the movement
Is like Myvi developed by daihatsu aka Toyota , but we still getting Toyota . Hehe
My single opinion nia

[JeepWH]

That's y I always buy Seiko or orient, fully in house. 

[meoramri]

A mark of a true iconic brand is when they are able to deliver on every value chain that makes a watch, a watch.

Rolex, PP, Seiko, etc are in the class of their own.

Tag Heuer is still working at reaching that spot....given time and commitment, it is a achievable goal. This strategy of using movements from other makers is not new. If you recall, Rolex too used to use Zenith movement in the earlier Daytonas.

[JeepWH]

Yeah, Tag Heuer so far has the Monaco V4 tourbillon

[sidestreaker]

Tag Heuer using Seiko movement . Meaning that we shall buy Seiko instead of Tag Heuer ?
Any opinion?

Using Seik'so movement just adds to TAG's credibility IMO

[horologyaddictwatch]

Yes, some said you buy the watch according to your own liking, such as brand, dial style etc, but in long term, movement does play an important role for the accuracy, serviceability, cost to service & repair, spare parts availability etc. And all those criteria will affect the value of the watch indirectly. It is like a car, you buy it because you like how it looks, of course when it's new you'll be happy, when it aged and and requiring repair, your head will be big because of the repair cost, limited workshop that know how to fix it, or waiting months for the spare parts!  And it depreciate too much that you're not willing to sell it!!

My friend is currently facing such problem with his Rolex his father pass to him, too inaccurate he often ask me for time, and quoted RM600 to service, where it only valued somewhere around RM3000-4000.

Just my 2 cents 

[Dav6534]

Its as good as buying a pagani which is well designed the heart of it which is the engine, are actually provided by Merc. Dont see any bad point about it

[CKL1213]

Its as good as buying a pagani which is well designed the heart of it which is the engine, are actually provided by Merc. Dont see any bad point about it

very good example

[theseira]

Well movement need standard la like rolex movement. standard and cool.

The issue with Tag is they didn't develop their own movement and they say it is in house till the pros kantul them. Then their CEO been forced to explain about the Seiko case.

For me Seiko > Tag Heuer

On the side note I really like few GS models and Credor minute repeater is insane! can't say the same for tag and their V4

[CKL1213]

The issue with Tag is they didn't develop their own movement and they say it is in house till the pros kantul them. Then their CEO been forced to explain about the Seiko case.

agreed, at least Pagani Zonda declared and proudly showcase they are using Mercedes Engine, just like Xiaomi declared they are using LG or Samsung cells in their powerbank