Rolex Submariner - 16610 vs 116610

[hanz079]

thanks, i c the diff now..
brings me few more questions before i take the plunge...

is it true the new sub's bracelet comes with polished centre link... if it is, how polished is it.. i mean like the milgaus/dj2 or somewhere in between..
assuming i go for the old sub, can i retrofit new sub's bracelet to the old sub.. i mean will it fit really ngam ngam ho... n if i do this, how much im looking at to order new sub's bracelet... n the waitinng list...?

For the Submariner, the models that come with the polished centre links is only the Half gold, Full gold and White gold version.
The stainless steel is all brushed.

No you can't retrofit the old sub with the new sub's bracelet.
The holes on the lugs are positioned differently so you can't do it.

If you are buying just the bracelet and clasp... i would say no less than rm5500.
There is no way you can just walk in and buy a bracelet or order.
Rolex parts are 1 to 1 exchange.
You show them a broken submariner oyster bracelet and you are allowed to buy a new one of the same model.
They will keep your old one.

[farhanbh100]

i knew i had come to the right place for informations.. guys like yall, hanzo, dpkong n all... salute..

there goes my dream of the perfect sub... guess im leaning ( not by choice ) towards the new sub since i value the nice bracelet more over nice slimmer case..
my only two other obstacle is

i worry if i go for new sub, il salivate everytime i c explorer 39mm..  their slim case n nice all brushed non hollowed bracelet.. mind u my wrists rather small at 6.5..
sub or sub date.. i mean sub looks very very balanced n sweet while sub date gives date awareness practicality... how do i tackle this issue...

apologies if i seem to have hijacked this thread.. pls c it s im more of piggybacking okay...

[hanz079]

i knew i had come to the right place for informations.. guys like yall, hanzo, dpkong n all... salute..

there goes my dream of the perfect sub... guess im leaning ( not by choice ) towards the new sub since i value the nice bracelet more over nice slimmer case..
my only two other obstacle is

i worry if i go for new sub, il salivate everytime i c explorer 39mm..  their slim case n nice all brushed non hollowed bracelet.. mind u my wrists rather small at 6.5..
sub or sub date.. i mean sub looks very very balanced n sweet while sub date gives date awareness practicality... how do i tackle this issue...

apologies if i seem to have hijacked this thread.. pls c it s im more of piggybacking okay...

Then go for the Exp1 at 39mm... it's a nice piece too.
Some might lament that Subs are everywhere... So an Explorer 1 can be a more "low key" piece...
Sub or Sub Date, this is personal preference.
I like my watches to be balanced... ergonomically and proportionately... Without the date and the cyclops... it's just like the Yin-Yang logo... Balance...
Well... for me anyway... 

[RaymondT]

was skeptical like as I made it a must for my watches to hv day/date (at least date) , until I got 1 recently with no date , I find it not an issue at all , cause I refer to my phone now for date + if u don hv a winder n multiple watches to swap ard , adjusting ur watch without a date feature is a breeze

[farhanbh100]

this can be settled by going to AD, have them line up sub, sub date n explorer 39mm... try them on, compare n bla bla bla......

but then i havent been able to find an AD that can do that... stock problems... even overseas...

online pics doesnt do justice...

an AP RO 15400 will settle all this... except i cant quite part with that kind of figure.. not able to n not forgetting wife's wrath...

[Enkidu]

my only two other obstacle is

i worry if i go for new sub, il salivate everytime i c explorer 39mm..  their slim case n nice all brushed non hollowed bracelet.. mind u my wrists rather small at 6.5..
sub or sub date.. i mean sub looks very very balanced n sweet while sub date gives date awareness practicality... how do i tackle this issue...

Salivate everytime you see the Explorer 39mm?? Pavlov experiment.... Both are nice, but trust me once you have the sub you will forget about the Explorer.

Sub / Sub date?? Go for the Sub date!! It's more practical.

Mine says Hi!!!

[dpkong]

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i worry if i go for new sub, il salivate everytime i c explorer 39mm..  their slim case n nice all brushed non hollowed bracelet.. mind u my wrists rather small at 6.5..
sub or sub date.. i mean sub looks very very balanced n sweet while sub date gives date awareness practicality... how do i tackle this issue...

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The Explorer 39mm is always a nice piece but as Enkidu says, once you have a Sub or Sub Date, you will forget the 39mm.

Bracelet on Explorer and Sub/Sub Date are the same brushed finish and not hollow if it comes with the new clasp.

Date feature is something you won't miss after some time as it changes only once a day anyway. And the ceramic bezels on the new Subs is really shiny...

So what are you waiting for???

[farhanbh100]

besides eplorer 39mm, sub n sub date, theres another watch im considering.. theyr all about the same price...  22k plus minus 3k.. wud this settle the score??...



i understand most of us here r rolex afficionados ( im one of them too. DJ2 blu dial).. objectively i wud like some opinions...

[dpkong]

besides eplorer 39mm, sub n sub date, theres another watch im considering.. theyr all about the same price...  22k plus minus 3k.. wud this settle the score??...



i understand most of us here r rolex afficionados ( im one of them too. DJ2 blu dial).. objectively i wud like some opinions...

 

 

[hanz079]

besides eplorer 39mm, sub n sub date, theres another watch im considering.. theyr all about the same price...  22k plus minus 3k.. wud this settle the score??...



i understand most of us here r rolex afficionados ( im one of them too. DJ2 blu dial).. objectively i wud like some opinions...

Unless it comes with the latest in house UNICO movement, I personally would steer clear... but hey... it's your money... 

[el118]

Many Hublot comes with ETA movements. not worth the high price charged.

Go for Sub date. more practical with the date function. I have a manual winding watch without the date which i find a bit inconvenient.

[Calibr]

 

 
[/quote]

Haha.. that's funny! Between Rolex and Hublot, it's better to keep to Rolex with its overall quality, in-house movement and its undisputed wide recognition and acceptance.

[takashi78]

You started the thread old and new sub.
Then date no date, then Exp then throw in another brand.
This will never end.

[dpkong]

This will not end well....

[jason_recliner]

... theres another watch im considering...

[farhanbh100]

wow the response !!!.... amazing n interesting.. hah...

but i get it, u guys r on a different level of watch appreciation... me only poisoned s recently s this year.. all these years i wasnt into watches..been wearing casios ( not even Gs ), fossils, titus n such at min 6 years interval...

when my last casio kaput early this year only then i started to appreciate watches..then fine watches... went crazy buying a watch a month since,( started with casios oso.. then tissots.. then,...) flipped few, now i only have two fine watches ..no 3 still a tissot...

 i still cant differentiate between movements quality..or how does movements differs, physically... or how much should they cost... perhaps thats why my shortlist is quite long n extensive.. have faith dont judge n this shall end well...

so takeshi, my 'want' list is actually quite long, APRO skeleton at the top... oris artix gt at the bottom... but at at the budget im looking at, these 4 watches ( sub, sub date, hublot c fusion, explorer 39 ) suits n me like lah..  so which one wud  u reccomend n y... which one to avoid n y..

anyhow i dont c myself owning so many fine watches.. 3 or 4 at most.. ok lah make it five.. i mean if so many then when to wear..  but thats just me..

guess im not a 'movementnist' im just a 'lookist'.. 



ps roystock who started this thread, i hope ur okay with me 'piggybacking' this thread.. peace..

[dpkong]

wow the response !!!.... amazing n interesting.. hah...

but i get it, u guys r on a different level of watch appreciation... me only poisoned s recently s this year.. all these years i wasnt into watches..been wearing casios ( not even Gs ), fossils, titus n such at min 6 years interval...

when my last casio kaput early this year only then i started to appreciate watches..then fine watches... went crazy buying a watch a month since,( started with casios oso.. then tissots.. then,...) flipped few, now i only have two fine watches ..no 3 still a tissot...

 i still cant differentiate between movements quality..or how does movements differs, physically... or how much should they cost... perhaps thats why my shortlist is quite long n extensive.. have faith dont judge n this shall end well...

so takeshi, my 'want' list is actually quite long, APRO skeleton at the top... oris artix gt at the bottom... but at at the budget im looking at, these 4 watches ( sub, sub date, hublot c fusion, explorer 39 ) suits n me like lah..  so which one wud  u reccomend n y... which one to avoid n y..

anyhow i dont c myself owning so many fine watches.. 3 or 4 at most.. ok lah make it five.. i mean if so many then when to wear..  but thats just me..

guess im not a 'movementnist' im just a 'lookist'.. 



ps roystock who started this thread, i hope ur okay with me 'piggybacking' this thread.. peace..

Start a new thread if still undecided. But of the 4 choices you have put above, go for the Submariner Date ceramic as your watch fancy has just started and that's the one you will lose the least if you want to flip in the future. And get it pre-owned for even less losses.

HTH..

[swleong]

Sub Ceramic +1.

I own a Sub 14060M, I like it so much till I stop thinking of buying other diver's watch (thus save you lots of money)

Though not in your list, but you can consider GMTc II as well...

[roystock]

wow the response !!!.... amazing n interesting.. hah...

but i get it, u guys r on a different level of watch appreciation... me only poisoned s recently s this year.. all these years i wasnt into watches..been wearing casios ( not even Gs ), fossils, titus n such at min 6 years interval...

when my last casio kaput early this year only then i started to appreciate watches..then fine watches... went crazy buying a watch a month since,( started with casios oso.. then tissots.. then,...) flipped few, now i only have two fine watches ..no 3 still a tissot...

 i still cant differentiate between movements quality..or how does movements differs, physically... or how much should they cost... perhaps thats why my shortlist is quite long n extensive.. have faith dont judge n this shall end well...

so takeshi, my 'want' list is actually quite long, APRO skeleton at the top... oris artix gt at the bottom... but at at the budget im looking at, these 4 watches ( sub, sub date, hublot c fusion, explorer 39 ) suits n me like lah..  so which one wud  u reccomend n y... which one to avoid n y..

anyhow i dont c myself owning so many fine watches.. 3 or 4 at most.. ok lah make it five.. i mean if so many then when to wear..  but thats just me..

guess im not a 'movementnist' im just a 'lookist'.. 



ps roystock who started this thread, i hope ur okay with me 'piggybacking' this thread.. peace..

No problem guys. I have sort of decided that it will be the new sub.
I have soft spot for blue lume (and bright lume in general).
Thanks for those who responded and you guys can continue with the other discussions
 

[RaymondT]

Are you so sure you'll stop at 3 or 4 watches ? i had 3 when i 1st joined this forum ( seiko , casio & louis errard) , within 2 years my collection grew to 2 boxes (x10) of watches  , i'm out of control

wow the response !!!.... amazing n interesting.. hah...

but i get it, u guys r on a different level of watch appreciation... me only poisoned s recently s this year.. all these years i wasnt into watches..been wearing casios ( not even Gs ), fossils, titus n such at min 6 years interval...

when my last casio kaput early this year only then i started to appreciate watches..then fine watches... went crazy buying a watch a month since,( started with casios oso.. then tissots.. then,...) flipped few, now i only have two fine watches ..no 3 still a tissot...

 i still cant differentiate between movements quality..or how does movements differs, physically... or how much should they cost... perhaps thats why my shortlist is quite long n extensive.. have faith dont judge n this shall end well...

so takeshi, my 'want' list is actually quite long, APRO skeleton at the top... oris artix gt at the bottom... but at at the budget im looking at, these 4 watches ( sub, sub date, hublot c fusion, explorer 39 ) suits n me like lah..  so which one wud  u reccomend n y... which one to avoid n y..

anyhow i dont c myself owning so many fine watches.. 3 or 4 at most.. ok lah make it five.. i mean if so many then when to wear..  but thats just me..

guess im not a 'movementnist' im just a 'lookist'.. 



ps roystock who started this thread, i hope ur okay with me 'piggybacking' this thread.. peace..

[el118]

Are you so sure you'll stop at 3 or 4 watches ? i had 3 when i 1st joined this forum ( seiko , casio & louis errard) , within 2 years my collection grew to 2 boxes (x10) of watches  , i'm out of control

wow the response !!!.... amazing n interesting.. hah...

but i get it, u guys r on a different level of watch appreciation... me only poisoned s recently s this year.. all these years i wasnt into watches..been wearing casios ( not even Gs ), fossils, titus n such at min 6 years interval...

when my last casio kaput early this year only then i started to appreciate watches..then fine watches... went crazy buying a watch a month since,( started with casios oso.. then tissots.. then,...) flipped few, now i only have two fine watches ..no 3 still a tissot...

 i still cant differentiate between movements quality..or how does movements differs, physically... or how much should they cost... perhaps thats why my shortlist is quite long n extensive.. have faith dont judge n this shall end well...

so takeshi, my 'want' list is actually quite long, APRO skeleton at the top... oris artix gt at the bottom... but at at the budget im looking at, these 4 watches ( sub, sub date, hublot c fusion, explorer 39 ) suits n me like lah..  so which one wud  u reccomend n y... which one to avoid n y..

anyhow i dont c myself owning so many fine watches.. 3 or 4 at most.. ok lah make it five.. i mean if so many then when to wear..  but thats just me..

guess im not a 'movementnist' im just a 'lookist'.. 



ps roystock who started this thread, i hope ur okay with me 'piggybacking' this thread.. peace..

The itch will not easily subside...

[farhanbh100]

me dread the day when me think to meself - i got 5 watches only!!??? where got enuff!! wife lets go cuci mata pavillion (then ends up buying 5 more..)...
she drives us home, me cant drive, got bruised/swollen eyes...

heres to hoping i dont ever reach there.. unhealty itchy me... cheers guys thanks for all infos.. my special thanks to roystock enjoy ur new sub (my current first choice)...

[Calibr]

For those who enjoy watches and keep some Rolexes, the Sub (in at least one of the variants) is usually one of them. It could be ND, Sub C Date, LV, LN, LB, etc.. Can't go wrong with this choice! Lose less compared to other brands and makes when you decide to flip it later. 

[dpkong]

For those who enjoy watches and keep some Rolexes, the Sub (in at least one of the variants) is usually one of them. It could be ND, Sub C Date, LV, LN, LB, etc.. Can't go wrong with this choice! Lose less compared to other brands and makes when you decide to flip it later. 

Never owned a Sub before. Like the green ceramic but somehow always something more interesting gets in the way. Can say it's a bit plain... ?

[Calibr]

Never owned a Sub before. Like the green ceramic but somehow always something more interesting gets in the way. Can say it's a bit plain... ?

Agree, the Sub C LN could look a bit plain, with or without a simple date complication, but nevertheless, it's arguably the most iconic Rolex. In some overseas forums, the members virtually worship this creation, judging from their postings and pics. So for the OP, the old or new Sub is a good choice, tho a good number of members lean to The One with ceramic bezel..