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Offline Ek lex

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Speedmasters
« on: October 12, 2013, 09:23:09 AM »
 
Good morning all the sifus,

I am looking to buy an Omega watch, first impression would be the iconic and very well known Speedmaster Pro Moonwatch. However, after careful perusal of the various Speedmasters specs on the website, shame to say I have ruled out the Speedmaster Pro, reasons being its a hand wound mechanical watch, which I am not hardworking and dedicated enough to wind it everyday, also it doesn't come with date function which I prefer to have, I think it is very useful for me as I am very forgetful and don't remember the date, thirdly, the size of 42mm is a bit over for my 6.5in wrist.

I have now narrowed it down to the Speedmaster Date, which carries my basic requirement I.e. automatic mechanical, with date, 40 mm of size, and a sapphire crystal instead of Hesalite. Below are the link to my favourite models which I have short listed...


http://www.omegawatches.com/collection/speedmaster/date-day-date/date-chronograph/32330404006001

http://www.omegawatches.com/collection/speedmaster/date-day-date/date-chronograph/32105000


My question here is, I would like to know the difference between 3210.50 and the newer 323.30.40.06.00, apart from the sub-dial arrangement, they are using a different movement as well, 3304 and 1164 respectively, need to make a decision between these 2, any advice or opinion or recommendation from the sifus will be very much appreciated.

Thanks a lot and have a great day ahead!

Offline el118

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2013, 09:39:25 AM »

Good morning all the sifus,

, also it doesn't come with date function which I prefer to have, I think it is very useful for me as I am very forgetful and don't remember the date, .


I remembered it comes with "round clock" date function around the moon phase, no???

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2013, 10:27:19 AM »
When I first bought my 1st omega I bought the older version of this,

http://www.omegawatches.com/collection/speedmaster/date-day-date/day-date-chronograph/32205000

because of the very reason you have now. after 2 years i find it is quite complex and prefer the simper speedmaster, the "original" moon watch which has date and manual winding.  Though I didn't buy the moon watch, i soon realized that it is not really an inconvenience for not having an automatic movement and date. This notion was further reinforced after I have bought a Panerai 112.

Between the 2 watches you can do a google search for more information and if you are lazy you can refer to this http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/speedmaster-date-3304-movement-questions-785387.html and take it as it is.

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2013, 11:11:48 AM »
Hi el118, thanks for the reply, yes I saw the moon phase model but it's a bit too complicated and the date is too small to read... Especially when age is catching up would make it worse... :-(

Thanks sshark for the link. Yup I saw the model you bought, it way too complicated and plenty to be readjusted when the watch went to sleep, again I am not keen enough for that.

 I am wandering if any sifu and Speedy owner in this forum can offer some experience advice and comment on them. I personally prefer the 3233xxxx sub dial arrangement and the dial color, if both the movements are equally reliable... What do you guys say?

Regards,
Lex

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 03:27:54 PM »
I used to think like you but trust me this, after awhile, winding it will be like second nature for you. I have a Speedy Pro on a rotation and I don't need to worry about putting it on a winder when I'm not wearing it. Jus give it a full wind and it will run for two full days.

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2013, 06:01:21 AM »
How about a speedy reduced?
Retain its classicness and will fit your wrist nicely.
But then still no date and with hesalite.
http://chronomaddox.com/speedy_reduced.html

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2013, 05:51:18 PM »
Thanks guys...

Ck77, the Speedy reduced is not on the Omega website, I am not sure if that is still in the market, sounds like a rare, not popular, limited production, yup, the no-date and Hesalite will hold me back for that model.

Timenut, thanks, I still cannot foresee myself winding watch every two days...  :HammerHead:

This is my first 5-figure-watch purchase... Hmm... Hope I am making the right choice... ???

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2013, 11:02:04 PM »
Opinion with photo for easy reference... and eye candy.  ;)

I've owned both Speedy Date (old model 39mm) and Speedy Pro (not the original "Moon Watch"), and I have 6.7" wrist. Both are great watch! As expected, many will tell you to skip the Date and go for the classic and evergreen the Pro. Same goes with me..  ;D



In term of size, I think 42mm of Speedy Pro do not wear big. In fact, my 41mm SMP wear bigger than the 42mm Speedy Pro. After some time, or after the Panerai bug, the 39mm Speedy Date seems too small for my wrist.



At first, I also like you - need auto watch, so no need to wind... need date and sapphire. But, after a while, winding the Speedy Pro have become some sort like bonding moment for me, with a buttery smooth crown wind. It's fun, really! As for the lack of date, I can always refer to my handphone calendar. (Yeah, you can also tell time from handphone, but that is different issue).

I love the warm and calm light reflection on the hesalite crystal as compared to sapphire. Hesalite crystal is not that easy to scratch. If it does catch some hairline scratches, there's a product to use to wipe it out or if you happen walk near the Omega boutique, just give it to them and they will do it for you for free.



The buckle variance also play the role for me in selecting the watch. I would prefer the bold buckle of the Pro as compared to smaller buckle of the Date (not sure about the buckle of the new Date).

The Pro buckle on the right.


The Date buckle on the left.



Now, back to your question.

The Cal. 1164 is a modified Valjoux 7750 movement with rhodium finish, adjusted to chronometer standards and powered the old style Speedy Date where the date window is at 3 o'clock position. While, Cal. 3304 is also a modified Valjoux movement, but a 7753, which is variant of the 7750 with rhodium finish adjusted to chronometer standards and use to power the new style of the Date with the tri-compax dial layout and date window at 4.30 o'clock position.

I can not say which one is better. Basically, they are both same base Valjoux movements with different dial layouts that have been adjusted by Omega, and the Cal. 1164 has been around a few years longer than the cal. 3304. One major technical difference is the date on Cal. 3304 is adjusted using a push button at the 10 o'clock position, while the Cal. 1164 use the regular crown adjustment. It is a matter of preference.

About the look of both model, the 323.30 - with some play of red color splash and sunburst dial, look more sporty and youthful. While, 3210.50 still maintain the DNA of the old Date and look more classic.

The choice is yours!










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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2013, 08:18:51 AM »

In term of size, I think 42mm of Speedy Pro do not wear big. In fact, my 41mm SMP wear bigger than the 42mm Speedy Pro. After some time, or after the Panerai bug, the 39mm Speedy Date seems too small for my wrist.

interesting.
i've had the Speedy Pro as well as the 41mm SMP.
the Speedy for me definitely wore bigger due to it having more dial, also the flatter case / longer lug to lug doesnt really help its cause much.
the SMP just felt more comfortable on my wrist.

anyway, to the TS.
for a first Speedy, the Pro should be it.
winding is never a hassle, only takes 20secs of your time every 2 days...
as for the Speedmaster Reduced, it's gotten another facelift and is now known basically as the Racing on the omega site.

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2013, 09:10:17 AM »
I had a moonphase speedy and i still hate myself for selling it ...

i'll say a speedy is a must-have watch! it's a watch for any if not all occasions.

the reduced speedy lacks of the oomph ... put one on your wrist and see if it rocks your boat ...

Offline Ek lex

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2013, 03:23:21 PM »
Wow... I am fully impressed with Taga's post! As pro as the Speey Pro!  :thumbsup: many thanks for very detailed explanation on both the movements, now I realized the pin hole at 10 o'clock is for quick date set...  ;)

Since so many sifus recommended the Pro, I had a deeper look into the specs, but not in the boutique to try it yet to try the winding (buttery smooth it seems) and more importantly to put it on my wrist  to check for the comfort and size vs wrist... I think that would be soon...  ;)

Looking at the website for the Pro, it seems there are some variants does come with saphire crystal and see thru back case, those really look yummy! I have to buy Taga's point for referring to the date on mobile phone...  :thumbsup:

Glampyre, the Racing comes with date but Reduced doesn't, probably it's a facelift like you said...

Taga, the new Date comes with a similar buckle as the Pro, BTW, what is the width of the Pro bracelet? I could not find the spec of the pro bracelet size online, I guess it would be 20mm as identical to the Date? The Seamaster comes with 22mm bracelet on a 41mm dial, it feels big on my 6.5" wrist, I think 40mm dial with 20mm bracelet is just nice for my wrist size.

Darrencw, the moon phase speedy Pro is definitely a beauty! despite the date is a bit too small to read, but the moon and star on the sub dial defitely up the class of the Pro...  ;D

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2013, 03:34:21 PM »
the Seamaster 41mm is a 20mm bracelet, where did you get 22mm from?
the Speedy Pro is also 20mm, but it tapers down to 18mm at the clasp, while Seamster maintains 20mm all the way.

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2013, 06:25:33 PM »
Taga, the new Date comes with a similar buckle as the Pro, BTW, what is the width of the Pro bracelet? I could not find the spec of the pro bracelet size online, I guess it would be 20mm as identical to the Date? The Seamaster comes with 22mm bracelet on a 41mm dial, it feels big on my 6.5" wrist, I think 40mm dial with 20mm bracelet is just nice for my wrist size.

Many will get confused on the lug width of the Omega, including me initially... especially on the Speedy range. Here, I list down the lug width for the Speedy and Seamaster:

Speedy Pro 42mm - Lug width 20mm
New Speedy Date and Day/Date 40mm - Lug width 19mm
Old Speedy Date and Day/Date 39mm - Lug width 18mm
SMP 41mm - Lug width 20mm
Midsize SMP 36.25mm - Lug width 18mm
PO 42mm - Lug width 20mm
XL PO 45.5mm - Lug width 22mm

As you can see, the lug width of the new Date is 19mm (not 20mm as per your statement). Don't make the same mistake as I bought 19mm leather strap for my old Date, which the lug width is only 18mm. Luckily, the leather is soft, so I just squeeze it in.


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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 09:54:06 AM »
Glampyre... I was just checking if anyone is asleep... Ahem ahem... ;-)

Taga, thanks for the again, very detail reply which exhibited your very in depth knowledge on the Speedmasters, that are very much appreciated.

After all the "poisons" on the Pro, and I did quite a bit of read up online, and it seems that is the most talk about Speedmaster. I went to the Omega boutique to check out the Pro... Man... Taga is quite right, it doesn't look that big on my wrist, but the feel is a tad bigger compared to the new Date... Hmm... Also I was asking about the Pro with moon phase, it seems all the boutiques is out of stock (from their system), the salesperson said it can be ordered from Switzerland if I can put down some down payment... Hmm...

While walking along the watch section to the Omega boutique, dropped into a Seiko AD few doors away... yup, you did not hear me wrong, a Seiko! a piEce of very vintage look Seiko Five under a spot light attracted my attention... SNZH57... That's is another story which I should share on a new thread... ;-)




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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2013, 12:16:16 AM »
some lovely pics there Taga...
always love the Man to Mars dial...
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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2013, 06:39:51 PM »
Great shots of great watches!!

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2013, 09:19:06 PM »
So, have u bought it yet?

Just to share a bit my experience. I actually bought the 3210.50.00 few months back and at one time my narrowed down choices was exactly the same as yours. The differences between these 2 actually are just as what you've stated, the dial arrangement and the movement. According to the salesperson at the Omega Boutique, the 323.30.40.40.06.001 is the newer Speedmaster Date. The 3210.50.00 are from the older range which probably implies that it's gonna be phased out earlier than 323.30.40.40.06.001. 3210.50.00 has more conservative look compared to 323.30.40.40.06.001.

You'll notice that the face of 323.30.40.40.06.001 has a brushed metal look when light is reflected on it, quite nice. The other is just a black dial. But I choose it in the end simply because I prefer the 6-9-12 sub-dial arrangement and it's a Valjoux7750 movement,which I don't have to worry being phased out and also it's cheaper between the two....hehehe.

I reckon for your case, movement is a non-issue, and your preference for the look and the sub-dial arrangement is what you're considering. You mentioned that you prefer the 3-6-9 arrangement, so I guess that's 323.30.40.40.06.001. It looks trendier too compared to 3210.50.00. By the way, if you're into a trendier and sporty look, you may want to consider Speedmaster Racing instead.

If you want something like the original moonwatch and automatic winding, why not try the moonwatch co-axial chronograph?Size too big for you?If the lugs are not sticking out from your wrist, I guess it's still okay.

I'm not sure which boutique you went, but the one I went few months back has the Speedy Pro moonphase and Moonwatch Moonphase. I tried both of them but the, looks really great but the price is way out of my budget...lol

cheers

« Last Edit: October 25, 2013, 08:43:39 PM by sinbad2k »

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2013, 09:47:24 AM »


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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2013, 11:44:10 AM »
Im in love with Seamaster Triple Date white dial..:D

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2013, 01:41:04 PM »
Sinbad2k,

Thanks for your sharing.

I have bumped into a Seiko 5 SNZH57 along the way and this has derailed my whole original intention, for the past few days was busy researching straps for it, it's done now... as for the Omega, I have to regather the "poison"... ;-)

Yup, out of the 2 Speedy, I like the 323.30 more, in a sense of the arrangement of the sub dials is more reminiscence of the Pro, and love the sunburst grey dials with some dashes of red on the face and timer hand for a sporty look. As for the Racing, hmm... For some reason it fails to turn me on... ;-)

Oh I am Malaysian but don't live in Malaysia so the boutique I went is definitely different. Would you mind PM me how much is the Speedy pro moon phase in Malaysia?

Cheers.



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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2013, 03:11:08 PM »
the seiko looks like a divers' watch. Wanna consider Planet Ocean?


or Seamaster Diver 300M?


btw, dropped u a PM.

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2013, 04:14:36 PM »
Thanks sinbad2k, like you said, the Seiko looks like a dive watch and I am having it on my wrist now, so I would rather spend my money on something different, PO is not my cup of tea, no chemistry with that, though it's a very nice piece.

Hmm... For me... Omega = Speedmaster ...  ;D No offense pls to other Omega fans!  :P

Dropped you a pm as well, thanks for the pricing.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2013, 04:18:05 PM by Ek lex »

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Re: Speedmasters
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2013, 04:52:31 PM »
Hmm... For me... Omega = Speedmaster ...  ;D No offense pls to other Omega fans!  :P


funnily enough, ppl who like the speedmaster have an obsession with it being a moonwatch, but dont really bother about its actual roots from racing.
of cos for most "fans", speedmaster only began in 1962...just like how MU fans think the club only existed from 1999 onwards :P

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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2013, 10:15:51 AM »
Thanks for the msg Glampyre, intrigued me to know more about the Speedmaster...

Interesting read...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Speedmaster

Also continue the read for Seamaster...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Seamaster

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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2013, 05:39:35 PM »
Thanks for the msg Glampyre, intrigued me to know more about the Speedmaster...

Interesting read...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Speedmaster

Also continue the read for Seamaster...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Seamaster

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now that i got your attention.
how bout a 'reissue / tribute' of the '57 speedy? screw the FOIS :D
http://www.omegawatches.com/collection/speedmaster/broad-arrow/35945000

unfortunately its long been discontinued, but for reasons associated with all things lunar, its not really popular here as they can be found in the pre-owned market quite easily.
also dont confuse this with the new '57 speedy, which looks even further removed from an actual '57.