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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: rusminag on February 29, 2012, 03:18:02 PM
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Let go my pre-owned Rolex...
Now itching for new ones...
Just thinking out loud, which one between these two:
1. Brand new Pam 000
(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd392/rusminag/000-1-1.jpg)
2. Brand new Tudor Heritage
(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd392/rusminag/heritage_wp_640x960_1.jpg)
What say you?
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BOTH! if u can afford... but for me.. will lean towards Tudor Heritage.. just love the color combination and the classic look
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PAM 000 :thumbsup:
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PAM
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In my opinion, PAM. Eventhough I owned the Tudor before, I think it would be great to buy it outright instead of letting go rollies to obtain it. But still, it is a case of handwind vs auto and chrono vs no-complication
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Two very different watches. One is hand wind, the other is automatic. One is basic three hand (at it's best) and the other a Chrono, great heritage and nice redoing by Tudor. One is hot, the other, hot, cold, but now hot again (according to some) because of the MI movie. Which one sings to you? What the does the heart say? I have both and I like both.
Given a choice, I would go Tudor (but that is if I don't intend to sell it in the near future). In the long term (to me anyway) the selling price does not matter as you would have already enjoy the watch, and that is worth more than the selling price.
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Two very different watches. One is hand wind, the other is automatic. One is basic three hand (at it's best) and the other a Chrono, great heritage and nice redoing by Tudor. One is hot, the other, hot, cold, but now hot again (according to some) because of the MI movie. Which one sings to you? What the does the heart say? I have both and I like both.
Given a choice, I would go Tudor (but that is if I don't intend to sell it in the near future). In the long term (to me anyway) the selling price does not matter as you would have already enjoy the watch, and that is worth more than the selling price.
Not a fan of PAM, I would go for the Tudor Heritage Chrono... intend to in the future... funds not enough yet... hehehe
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Bro Hobbit, the similarity on their price range... About RM14k each.....
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Bro Hobbit, the similarity on their price range... About RM14k each.....
I believe the Tudor is cheaper than the Panerai. Well that was the situation when I got both of them.
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PAM :Dancing_banana:
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Pam
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You've owned Pams before. Time for a Tudor.
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PAM 000, but why not consider PAM005? Happy watch hunting :Cheers:
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Malaysia RRP roughly:
Pam000=RM14,400
Tudor70330=RM13,930
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Malaysia RRP roughly:
Pam000=RM14,400
Tudor70330=RM13,930
Prices have indeed change. The Tudor has gone up in price.
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i never feel Tudor is worth the asking price when new. it's still ETA inside. maybe a nice pre-owned is better since you seem to be a flipper.
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i never feel Tudor is worth the asking price when new. it's still ETA inside. maybe a nice pre-owned is better since you seem to be a flipper.
So is a Pam. Although I own one too... I never feel that the price is justified for all that they are offering.
You've owned a 114 (or was it 113?) so it's nothing different from a 000.
Now that Pam is ramping up the production numbers, both watches would take hits if bought new should u decide to flip it later down the road.
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I want to quit being a flipper, that is why I am going for a brand new one.
If I am not mistaken, Tudor Heritage is using its own in-house movement.
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I want to quit being a flipper, that is why I am going for a brand new one.
If I am not mistaken, Tudor Heritage is using its own in-house movement.
No.
It's a ETA2892 + DD2054 chrono module riding piggyback.
I believe all Tudors as far as it's inception uses non in-house calibres. It's Rolex' "ready to wear" line in the terms off haute couture
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Thanks TT
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The closest Tudor got to an in-house movement was the Tudor Caliber 390 which was based on the Fleurier calibre 350. Fleurier made the movement under Rolex specifications. The movement then received additional modifications by Rolex. Rolex added the rotor mechanism. The movement was then 'gifted' to Tudor.
The Caliber 390 was fitted into early tudor Submariners, reference 7922, 7924 and 7928.
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ahh, another good discussion.
i liked both the tudor heritage and pam logo.
the tudor bugged me so much i drove down to hour glass to try it on.
it was readily available back then, and even came with a good discount.
but the moment i put it on my wrist, *no feel*.
i guess that's the most important factor. - *feel*
feel and wrist presence is utmost important to me.
the watch may look AWESOME in photos, but that may just be due to a good photographer.
when you put both watches on you wrist, there will always be a clear winner.
good luck!
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Yes, both are ETA movements.
I am leaning towards the poor man's Daytona. Good discount and MI sucker.....
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Like you I have taken an interest in the Tudor Chronograph models. They are not that expensive in the pre-loved market, more so the ones with the hour bezel. The Units per Hour bezel seems more expensive. Not sure about the 'Tiger' dial......
I am liking this one. Useful (to me) hour bezel as can use to tell second time zone.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/2012-02-24046.jpg)
The Units per Hour bezel. Since I no longer need to time thing....
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/20110721_39151.jpg)
Not careful, I might see the Tudor collection grow... :HammerHead:
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Like you I have taken an interest in the Tudor Chronograph models. They are not that expensive in the pre-loved market, more so the ones with the hour bezel. The Units per Hour bezel seems more expensive. Not sure about the 'Tiger' dial......
I am liking this one. Useful (to me) hour bezel as can use to tell second time zone.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/2012-02-24046.jpg)
The Units per Hour bezel. Since I no longer need to time thing....
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/20110721_39151.jpg)
Not careful, I might see the Tudor collection grow... :HammerHead:
for this price... i prefer damasko dc 66/67 with hour bezel....
tudor heritage using 7753? or 2892+DD???
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for this price... i prefer damasko dc 66/67 with hour bezel....
tudor heritage using 7753? or 2892+DD???
Chris,
Can get ah? These watches are about RM5K pre-loved.
The Tudor is using the 2892+dd.
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for this price... i prefer damasko dc 66/67 with hour bezel....
tudor heritage using 7753? or 2892+DD???
Chris,
Can get ah? These watches are about RM5K pre-loved.
The Tudor is using the 2892+dd.
thought the heritage using 7753
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Tudor Heritage movement shots,
http://www.18ksub.com/2010/09/inside-tudor-heritage-chronograph-aka.html
And yes, I would prefer a Valjoux movement over DD module.
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Tudor for me...
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Bro u not take
The pam111 ? As u said before?
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i'm a PAM fan but my vote goes to Tudor tis time... love the color, chrono & the great heritage
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i vote for tudor. love the classic & sporty design :thumbsup:
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Tudor Heritage movement shots,
http://www.18ksub.com/2010/09/inside-tudor-heritage-chronograph-aka.html
And yes, I would prefer a Valjoux movement over DD module.
Wow... seeing the movement shots, that's quite a let down.
Did not think that the movement would be so small compared to the case.
And the article did mention that the chronograph minute totalizers actually creeps instead of tick at a full 60 seconds?
Hobbs can confirm?
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Tudor Heritage movement shots,
http://www.18ksub.com/2010/09/inside-tudor-heritage-chronograph-aka.html
And yes, I would prefer a Valjoux movement over DD module.
Wow... seeing the movement shots, that's quite a let down.
Did not think that the movement would be so small compared to the case.
And the article did mention that the chronograph minute totalizers actually creeps instead of tick at a full 60 seconds?
Hobbs can confirm?
Yes it does creeps or move as the chronograph hand moves. The same with the Lemania 5100 and many other chronograph movement. It is not an issue with me. As for the module replacement or movement replacement, not really true. The movement and module can be serviced, but it is not easy. Many watchmakers do not want to spend the time to service the movement and module, so they suggest a full movement and module replacement. It is much easier for them.
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Like you I have taken an interest in the Tudor Chronograph models. They are not that expensive in the pre-loved market, more so the ones with the hour bezel. The Units per Hour bezel seems more expensive. Not sure about the 'Tiger' dial......
I am liking this one. Useful (to me) hour bezel as can use to tell second time zone.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/2012-02-24046.jpg)
The Units per Hour bezel. Since I no longer need to time thing....
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/20110721_39151.jpg)
Not careful, I might see the Tudor collection grow... :HammerHead:
these would be MUCH better choices over the THC. i've tried them on and really do like them but i'm still a Daytona person. can't seem to switch over to these Datetonas.
get the ones with Valjoux movements instead of the piggy-back models.
as Hobbit said, looks good in pictures but in person, i felt let down.
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Bro u not take
The pam111 ? As u said before?
Yes, was pondering on ckng's 111, but no fund to pay cash so going for new pam zero with zero cost 12-month easy payment from AD. The thing about pam is even the AD don't know when the new zero is coming. Then saw the Tudor Heritage and did tried it on and feel right. With the big discount, it is way cheaper than zero and readily available.
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Bro TT and Hobbit,
You guys are like walking 'Google'.
The advantage of not using valjoux, is that replica 7750 movements are readily available, giving higher chance of look alike heritage replica in the market. Although tudor is not really under much attack by pirates. Thats what I read somewhere.
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Yes it does creeps or move as the chronograph hand moves. The same with the Lemania 5100 and many other chronograph movement. It is not an issue with me. As for the module replacement or movement replacement, not really true. The movement and module can be serviced, but it is not easy. Many watchmakers do not want to spend the time to service the movement and module, so they suggest a full movement and module replacement. It is much easier for them.
Hobbits, is this your first DD?
Hopefully RSC can do a good job.
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Hobbits, is this your first DD?
Hopefully RSC can do a good job.
It is my first DD chronograph module but not my first DD. The Montblanc Big Date has a DD module as well. My watch guy can service the DD module as he is ex Omega and Omega does use the DD module (Speedmaster Reduce if I am not mistaken). So as long as I am in Taiwan, it is not an issue. However, I am sure TSC or RSC would be able to do it as well. They would not use the module if they were not confident of being able to service the watches and movement. I have faith in RSC and TSC after having used them and also having seen what they can do.
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Ya, Speedy Reduced as well as TH Monaco.
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Bro u not take
The pam111 ? As u said before?
Yes, was pondering on ckng's 111, but no fund to pay cash so going for new pam zero with zero cost 12-month easy payment from AD. The thing about pam is even the AD don't know when the new zero is coming. Then saw the Tudor Heritage and did tried it on and feel right. With the big discount, it is way cheaper than zero and readily available.
icccc.....so i will go for pam...... tudor...still cant kick me the feel.....
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Some info on the DD:
"The Dubois-Depraz chronograph module is used by a number of watch manufacturers in their "high end" products. It is utilized by among others, Audermars Piguet in their Royal Oak Offshore and Glashütte Chronograph and in their Royal Oak Offshore Chronograph, Girard Perregaux in their 7000 Chronograph" - www.doxacms.com
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I would go for italian for once,
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From a far, it is a lot easier to spot a Panerai because of the crown guard. As for Tudor, it resembles Rolex too much and hence, hard to differentiate. For that, I would go for the PAM as there is a cult of followers and it stands out more than a Tudor for me.
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My decision... Review coming soon.
(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd392/rusminag/2012-03-10140600.jpg)
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PAM000, but I am a bit biased towards Panerai watches though. I have PAM000 and really really love it. So versatile.
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not bad....heristage + m sport
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not bad....heristage + m sport
U are sharp ;D
Rusminag has good taste :thumbsup:
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I should get a Porsche... Then baru ngam...
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I should get a Porsche... Then baru ngam...
a gtr 35 lagi best :o :o
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PAM