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Title: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 24, 2011, 12:37:48 PM: Hi, i'm newbie here and looking to buy a Panerai.

I'm looking at either pam380 or pam111.(both models available. if i hv d fund, i'll just grab them both ;D)

Which is d better choice ???

Any comments?

TQ
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: G.MAC on October 24, 2011, 01:44:37 PM: Apples and oranges. Two different kinds altogether. One is a Radiomir and the other is a Luminor. But if I were in your position, i'd go with the 111. The PAM is famous for the crown guard.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: nick168fng on October 24, 2011, 01:56:57 PM: Octo, I too am partial to PAM111.

Best thing to do is try them both on and see which one sings to you.

Good luck 8)
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: zameenzahari on October 24, 2011, 02:11:43 PM: Quote from: Octo on October 24, 2011, 12:37:48 PM
Hi, i'm newbie here and looking to buy a Panerai.

I'm looking at either pam380 or pam111.(both models available. if i hv d fund, i'll just grab them both ;D)

Which is d better choice ???

Any comments?

TQ

First, you need to determine whether you like a Luminor Case (111) or a Radiomir Case
Then you need to determine whether you like the Logo (380) or not (111) and whether this wil influence the first decision above
Then you need to factor in practicality. If you are with suit & tie most of the time, then a Rad would be a better choice. Its "dressier"...having said that, I wear my Luminors with suit anywayz..
Another facyor to consider (everything being equal as in the latest production) is painted dial (380) vs Sandwiched dial (111)

Good luck in the hunt and show us the WS once you get it!
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 24, 2011, 02:56:47 PM: The SA at d AD said wait list for 380 is about 6mths n 111 is only ard 2-3mths. Also recomend as a newbie to PAM, shud start off w a base model.
But I do not hear or read any good review on this watch yet. ???
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: TheHobbit on October 24, 2011, 03:14:07 PM: Quote from: Octo on October 24, 2011, 02:56:47 PM
The SA at d AD said wait list for 380 is about 6mths n 111 is only ard 2-3mths. Also recomend as a newbie to PAM, shud start off w a base model.
But I do not hear or read any good review on this watch yet. ???

Wow that is a long wait for the PAM00380. Try the boutiques. I think the lead time is shorter. My friend got his under a month.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on October 24, 2011, 03:16:01 PM: Hi octo.

I've been through the same thing last few weeks. Finally decided to go with the 111. simply because the PAM 111’s versatility is probably second to none in the Panerai line-up. To me that is. Besides having limited fulus :HammerHead: Having said that, the 380 is also a beauty in its own way, with a radiomir case and a logo as well. Giving the logo lovers to have them both with luminor and radiomir. Hopefully solving the problems with cuffs thinggy to some. :Cheers:

I think Zameen's advice should help narrow down the decision. Unless you want to take into consideration the 112,000,005,210 or even the 312 to start with (in-house movt). Try them all first and see which one makes you smile longer... :Cheers:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: zameenzahari on October 24, 2011, 03:23:23 PM: Quote from: Friday on October 24, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
Hi octo.

I've been through the same thing last few weeks. Finally decided to go with the 111. simply because the PAM 111’s versatility is probably second to none in the Panerai line-up. To me that is. Besides having limited fulus :HammerHead: Having said that, the 380 is also a beauty in its own way, with a radiomir case and a logo as well. Giving the logo lovers to have them both with luminor and radiomir. Hopefully solving the problems with cuffs thinggy to some. :Cheers:

I think Zameen's advice should help narrow down the decision. Unless you want to take into consideration the 112,000,005,210 or even the 312 to start with (in-house movt). Try them all first and see which one makes you smile longer... :Cheers:

best entry level PAM IMHO would be Zero the Hero!! Love it!
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Scott C. on October 24, 2011, 03:24:22 PM: Quote from: Octo on October 24, 2011, 02:56:47 PM
The SA at d AD said wait list for 380 is about 6mths n 111 is only ard 2-3mths. Also recomend as a newbie to PAM, shud start off w a base model.
But I do not hear or read any good review on this watch yet. ???

Are you live in KL? If yes you can PM me i can give you a contact who maybe have a 111 or 005/000 ready stock based on my last visit ;)

Personally, i will go for PAM000 ;)
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: TheHobbit on October 24, 2011, 03:29:54 PM: Have to say that the past few days have been very interesting in terms of Panerai watches. I had the opportunity to look and play with a number of Panerai and have to say that I agree with Scott C and zameenzahari. I looked at the following models and the zero is nice, very nice indeed.

Models looked at:

PAM00000
PAM00005
PAM00380
PAM00112
PAM00176

In saying that, I do like the PAM00380 as well. The painted dial on a Radiomir looks just right (to me anyway).
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on October 24, 2011, 03:55:42 PM: That is why after acquiring 111, still cant stop thinking of the 000 & 112 for the clean looks + logo :Confused:

Its not a good hobby.. :HammerHead: to indulge into... BEWARE !!! :police:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 24, 2011, 04:07:16 PM: Quote from: Friday on October 24, 2011, 03:55:42 PM
That is why after acquiring 111, still cant stop thinking of the 000 & 112 for the clean looks + logo :Confused:

Its not a good hobby.. :HammerHead: to indulge into... BEWARE !!! :police:

Hi Friday, i know that...have not even own one yet n already thinking of having more than one. ;D
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: ckng515 on October 24, 2011, 05:36:55 PM: (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0276-1.jpg)
Take a pick :D
It's entirely 2 different watch which i suppose it's very hard to compare.
Painted dial vs sandwich dial, solid case back vs see tru case back, Logo vs no logo, Radiomir vs Luminor, 45mm vs 44mm etc etc.
and different in term on price tag.
Hope this will help rather than add more confusion.

cheers,
ck
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: gloomis on October 24, 2011, 07:08:03 PM: diff feeling. u r not comparing apple to apple so is abit hard. but if this is the 1st pam, then u shud go for luminor. 111 +1
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 24, 2011, 08:08:45 PM: how about comparing 111 to 176? i think d price diff is not that much rite?
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: roboshar on October 24, 2011, 09:05:21 PM: I was at an AD today and tried a Radiomir. I must say that it was love at first sight. I was never a big fan of Panerai before - i don't like the crown guard as well as the price. However, the price of the 380 is not too impossible (I was told by the SA that it is the cheapest PAM I can get - dunno whether that is actually true).

Anyways, I am seriously considering to flip my U1 and maybe my Damasko to partly fund this watch. Or maybe I'll keep the Damasko :HammerHead:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: ck77 on October 24, 2011, 09:14:50 PM: Quote from: roboshar on October 24, 2011, 09:05:21 PM
(I was told by the SA that it is the cheapest PAM I can get - dunno whether that is actually true).
yes
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on October 24, 2011, 09:16:07 PM: Pam 176 is made from titanium case while 111 polished. Some people like the looks of titanium which some claims can hide the scratches easily cmpared to polished case ( no personal experience on this, Only have polished one).

As for me I went for this one and no regrets at all.
(http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt31/hakeemy_007/72fd9e66.jpg)[\center]

Which ever you choose is a definite winner... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 24, 2011, 10:50:14 PM: here i am, flipping d catalog back n forth upteen times,,,,still undecided.. ::)

worst then caught between 2lovers :HammerHead:.

In this case, it's a lot of lovers :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: gloomis on October 25, 2011, 05:36:47 AM: just folo your heart. go to any AD or shop, put both on ur wrist n let ur feeling decide
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: G.MAC on October 25, 2011, 08:08:03 AM: brushed titanium does hide hairline scratches very well as opposed to the polished steel. My old PAM176 looks like new right up to the time i sold it whereas my current PAM90 has multiple hairline scratches on it.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 25, 2011, 02:53:09 PM: was at a AD, tried d pam380 n 111.

my budget is not more than 15k n 111 is off. :'(

so d SA recommended pam000. but i like watches w d small second hands..

hence my other choice is pam5. but they dun hv stock! :HammerHead:

at d very least both watch have d same characteristic. only diff is luminor n radiomir...

so....guys..one last time..which one? unless i want to wait dont know for how long for d pam5 :HammerHead:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: ck77 on October 25, 2011, 02:55:29 PM: since pam380 got stock, why dont just grab it?
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Scott C. on October 25, 2011, 03:15:43 PM: Quote from: Octo on October 25, 2011, 02:53:09 PM
was at a AD, tried d pam380 n 111.

my budget is not more than 15k n 111 is off. :'(

so d SA recommended pam000. but i like watches w d small second hands..

hence my other choice is pam5. but they dun hv stock! :HammerHead:

at d very least both watch have d same characteristic. only diff is luminor n radiomir...

so....guys..one last time..which one? unless i want to wait dont know for how long for d pam5 :HammerHead:

I remember the place i recommended you has a pam005 lying down ;) pam005/000 best for value la...
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on October 25, 2011, 03:27:00 PM: Quote
;) pam005/000 best for value la...

+1 ^^ :Cheers:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 25, 2011, 03:31:15 PM: hi Scott, called them oredi, no more...sold :HammerHead:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on October 25, 2011, 03:38:03 PM: Quote from: Octo on October 25, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
hi Scott, called them oredi, no more...sold :HammerHead:

Octo,

Why not try asking our paneristi sifus i.e zameen & dsiewmy.. Maybe they can help ?? ???

Or just grab that 380 so there's reason to buy the 000/005 later.. :Dancing_banana:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Scott C. on October 25, 2011, 04:11:04 PM: Quote from: Octo on October 25, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
hi Scott, called them oredi, no more...sold :HammerHead:

Oppss.... maybe ask them to source one for you...sometimes quite fast one ;)
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 25, 2011, 05:24:32 PM: Quote from: Friday on October 25, 2011, 03:38:03 PM

Octo,

Why not try asking our paneristi sifus i.e zameen & dsiewmy.. Maybe they can help ?? ???

Or just grab that 380 so there's reason to buy the 000/005 later.. :Dancing_banana:

Dont anyone wished to have a money printing machine at home now... :Laughing_on_floor:

Quote from: Scott C. on October 25, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
Quote from: Octo on October 25, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
hi Scott, called them oredi, no more...sold :HammerHead:

Oppss.... maybe ask them to source one for you...sometimes quite fast one ;)

Hi Scott, i forgot to mentioned that they have d pam000 stock in hand. So..shud i just go ahead..
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: terrenceterrence on October 25, 2011, 06:50:59 PM: Zero is Hero bro. The rest of those are just Zero in defferent clothings. Buy a zero and save ur money for something else
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Watchnewby on October 27, 2011, 08:17:44 AM: Yes, a "Zero" is better than nothing. ;D

Cheers.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 28, 2011, 03:07:08 PM: Hi Scott, terrence2, watchnewby,

it been decided...., Zero is Hero.. :Dancing_banana:

will b paying d deposit today and can only collect d watch nx mth coz i'm in jb now.

thanks to all who have contribute their views and extended help and indeed helped me in my decision making. :Cheers:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: terrenceterrence on October 28, 2011, 06:17:43 PM: Woot woot!!!! :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: TheHobbit on October 28, 2011, 06:26:24 PM: Quote from: Octo on October 28, 2011, 03:07:08 PM
Hi Scott, terrence2, watchnewby,

it been decided...., Zero is Hero.. :Dancing_banana:

will b paying d deposit today and can only collect d watch nx mth coz i'm in jb now.

thanks to all who have contribute their views and extended help and indeed helped me in my decision making. :Cheers:

Have you thought of checking out the boutique in Singapore? It is the biggest one in the world.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on October 28, 2011, 07:29:27 PM: Congrats Octo :thumbsup:

Should you decide to flipped..let me know..
Will give it a good home :Cheers:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: gloomis on October 29, 2011, 05:26:54 AM: finally.....so pls share ur exciment here once u got ur new toy
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: thesaint2009 on October 29, 2011, 07:20:30 AM: I would pick the PAM 380
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 29, 2011, 02:43:49 PM: Quote from: Friday on October 28, 2011, 07:29:27 PM
Congrats Octo :thumbsup:

Should you decide to flipped..let me know..
Will give it a good home :Cheers:

Hi Friday,

I'll keep that in mind;-)
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: zameenzahari on October 30, 2011, 03:09:55 AM: Quote from: TheHobbit on October 28, 2011, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: Octo on October 28, 2011, 03:07:08 PM
Hi Scott, terrence2, watchnewby,

Have you thought of checking out the boutique in Singapore? It is the biggest one in the world.

Boutique is yet to open. Last I heard, it'll be 15 nov . Let's hope it's for real this time
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 30, 2011, 08:10:44 AM: Quote from: zameenzahari on October 30, 2011, 03:09:55 AM
Quote from: TheHobbit on October 28, 2011, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: Octo on October 28, 2011, 03:07:08 PM
Hi Scott, terrence2, watchnewby,

Have you thought of checking out the
Boutique is yet to open. Last I heard, it'll be 15 nov . Let's hope it's for real this time

Hi, do keep me inform shud they open up. Must go chk it out.
A GTG would be fantastic! :Cheers:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: ericer on October 30, 2011, 01:58:20 PM: My choice is PAM111 as I have preference for bigger size watch. Ideally 372 will be the ultimate for me.
You will not go wrong to go with PAM000 or PAM111. Indeed is also easy to let go should you want to upgrade in the future.....correct me if I am wrong ya
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on October 30, 2011, 06:29:30 PM: Quote from: ericer on October 30, 2011, 01:58:20 PM

You will not go wrong to go with PAM000 or PAM111. Indeed is also easy to let go should you want to upgrade in the future.....correct me if I am wrong ya

I'm not that sure but I think shud not be a big problem shud I decide to flipped. It is still a much sought after pcs.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Watchnewby on October 31, 2011, 08:02:03 AM: Congrats Octo.
Do share with us your view and photos of your grail once you got it.

Cheers.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: ex660 on November 03, 2011, 06:40:50 PM: sifu's can recommend me which AD to buy PAMs with ?
possible discount dat can get frm them ?

pls PM me ... :laugh: :laugh:

i am looking for a 000 005.. but both of this no stock 1 rite?? .. if not have to consider 112..:(
am maybe going to italy in the next few mnths..
is it better to buy thr? bcos of the VAT return .. but googled n found out the discount shud b lesser compared to here?

Quote from: ck77 on October 25, 2011, 02:55:29 PM
since pam380 got stock, why dont just grab it?

fren working in watch shop told me .. 005 no stock 1 wo ..
pam380 and pam 112 ada la.. for the price diff.. i will go for 112 la..
though pam380 has the logo and sec's for extra..
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: nick168fng on November 04, 2011, 01:03:56 PM: Quote from: ex660 on November 03, 2011, 06:40:50 PM
sifu's can recommend me which AD to buy PAMs with ?
possible discount dat can get frm them ?

pls PM me ... :laugh: :laugh:

i am looking for a 000 005.. but both of this no stock 1 rite?? .. if not have to consider 112..:(
am maybe going to italy in the next few mnths..
is it better to buy thr? bcos of the VAT return .. but googled n found out the discount shud b lesser compared to here?

Quote from: ck77 on October 25, 2011, 02:55:29 PM
since pam380 got stock, why dont just grab it?

fren working in watch shop told me .. 005 no stock 1 wo ..
pam380 and pam 112 ada la.. for the price diff.. i will go for 112 la..
though pam380 has the logo and sec's for extra..

Take your time and make up your mind. Don't make your decision at the spur of the moment.

Else, you might regret it in the long run ;)
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: ex660 on November 04, 2011, 02:36:46 PM: It will b the luminor base model.. 000,005 or 112 depending on availability... :thumbsup:
Any1 can lemme know which AD has 000 and 005 available?...
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: terrenceterrence on November 04, 2011, 02:54:04 PM: Do some homework. Call or visit the AD. You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth. It's more accurate and faster than asking over the forum
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on November 04, 2011, 04:08:48 PM: Quote from: terrenceterrence on November 04, 2011, 02:54:04 PM
Do some homework. Call or visit the AD. You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth. It's more accurate and faster than asking over the forum

cool!!!
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: nick168fng on November 04, 2011, 04:22:01 PM: Quote from: Octo on November 04, 2011, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: terrenceterrence on November 04, 2011, 02:54:04 PM
Do some homework. Call or visit the AD. You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth. It's more accurate and faster than asking over the forum

cool!!!
Hey Octo, don't forget to post some wrist shots once you claim your grail, ya? 8)
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: TheHobbit on November 04, 2011, 06:57:23 PM: Quote from: zameenzahari on October 30, 2011, 03:09:55 AM

Boutique is yet to open. Last I heard, it'll be 15 nov . Let's hope it's for real this time

YEah heard it has been delayed a few time. Some problem with the finishing I heard. Or perhaps they waiting to open with the 'boutique' edition in hand (me rumour mongering.... ::) ). Hope it opens before the Bangkok boutique (which has yet to under go renovations, but should start this month). And the last one for this year will be the boutique in ........
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: nick168fng on November 04, 2011, 08:03:46 PM: Quote from: TheHobbit on November 04, 2011, 06:57:23 PM
Quote from: zameenzahari on October 30, 2011, 03:09:55 AM

Boutique is yet to open. Last I heard, it'll be 15 nov . Let's hope it's for real this time

YEah heard it has been delayed a few time. Some problem with the finishing I heard. Or perhaps they waiting to open with the 'boutique' edition in hand (me rumour mongering.... ::) ). Hope it opens before the Bangkok boutique (which has yet to under go renovations, but should start this month). And the last one for this year will be the boutique in ........

Hobbit! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I had no idea that Panerai will be opening a boutique in Starhill, KL. Coolz~ :Dancing_banana:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: TheHobbit on November 04, 2011, 08:06:32 PM: Quote from: nick168fng on November 04, 2011, 08:03:46 PM

Hobbit! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I had no idea that Panerai will be opening a boutique in Starhill, KL. Coolz~ :Dancing_banana:

nick168fng,

I did not say that....... ::)
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on November 04, 2011, 08:47:32 PM: It would be cool to have our (KL) own boutique S.E. But hopefully without the 'satu malaysia' logo.. :'( 8) ;D

Hobbit have you any info on when the bangkok botique will be opened ?
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: nick168fng on November 04, 2011, 09:03:40 PM: Quote from: TheHobbit on November 04, 2011, 08:06:32 PM
Quote from: nick168fng on November 04, 2011, 08:03:46 PM

Hobbit! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I had no idea that Panerai will be opening a boutique in Starhill, KL. Coolz~ :Dancing_banana:

nick168fng,

I did not say that....... ::)
No worries, I'm not gonna quote you :P

You just gave me an idea to run a check, that's all :D
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: nick168fng on November 04, 2011, 09:04:34 PM: Quote from: Friday on November 04, 2011, 08:47:32 PM
It would be cool to have our (KL) own boutique S.E. But hopefully without the 'satu malaysia' logo.. :'( 8) ;D

Hobbit have you any info on when the bangkok botique will be opened ?
Better yet, we have the First Couples faces engraved on the back case :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: TheHobbit on November 04, 2011, 09:20:00 PM: Quote from: Friday on November 04, 2011, 08:47:32 PM
It would be cool to have our (KL) own boutique S.E. But hopefully without the 'satu malaysia' logo.. :'( 8) ;D

Hobbit have you any info on when the bangkok botique will be opened ?

Friday,

I was told it will be open late December. Hope it will be on time and not have a creeping delay like Singapore.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on November 04, 2011, 10:07:25 PM: Quote from: TheHobbit on November 04, 2011, 09:20:00 PM

Friday,

I was told it will be open late December. Hope it will be on time and not have a creeping delay like Singapore.
:Praying: :Praying:

Im wondering how do they decide on what kind of boutique SE to release. Do they ask opinion from local panerai buyers or they (Panerai) decide on their own. Anyone knows?
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on December 06, 2011, 04:52:52 AM: Finally!!! got my Pam000 ;D ;D ;D. What a beauty....n u guys are rite..zero is hero.
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Friday on December 07, 2011, 12:13:35 AM: Quote from: Octo on December 06, 2011, 04:52:52 AM
Finally!!! got my Pam000 ;D ;D ;D. What a beauty....n u guys are rite..zero is hero.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Congrats bro... So where's the wrist shot d ?
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: Octo on December 07, 2011, 08:54:45 PM: Quote from: Friday on December 07, 2011, 12:13:35 AM
Quote from: Octo on December 06, 2011, 04:52:52 AM
Finally!!! got my Pam000 ;D ;D ;D. What a beauty....n u guys are rite..zero is hero.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Congrats bro... So where's the wrist shot d ?

not yet.. still not yet wear d watch de. need to also figure out how to download photo leh..me not so tech savvy wan
Title: Re: PAM 380 or PAM 111
Post by: In Time22 on December 10, 2011, 08:14:53 PM: Try find out in the forum cause moderator did teach us the way how to upload the photo..October..besides congratulation for the Pam babe ..enjoy it on your wrist .