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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: TheHobbit on June 25, 2011, 09:48:16 PM
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Assuming I can get this done, would anyone be interested? Perhaps as a MWF Project watch?
Basic spec:
Functions: hours, minutes, seconds
Case: stainless steel, 44 mm diameter, 15 mm thick
Crystal: sapphire
Dial: black, sandwich, colour not necessary orange
Hands: stick hands
Lume: SuperLuminova
Water resistant: 10ATM
Movement: ETA 2824
Price: As cheap as possible. Well the ETA 2824-2 (with hacking is already about USD 160, Swiss version, gilt but basic)
The watch:
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/diver1.jpg)
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cool!!! count me in... can possibly do a screw in 24mm lugs ala pam?
so can share straps.
dail and lume colour open for voting?
position of the MWF logo?
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Orange color is cool... Count me in too..
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Count me in too...
My opinion is it need a more exciting bezel design though...
But I'm in if it's a MWF project!! ;D
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Im in on this one hobbit..n terrences' " share strap " idea would be nice..as for the bezel, interestingly been eyeing a watch with bezel like this one..but perhaps without the minute markings..i bet a cleaner bezel will defo looks better imho..
MWF projecy watch ftw.. :Cheers:
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The basic idea for this project is that I myself want one of this watches but I cannot get them anymore. The people who made this watch is not interested to revisit this design and as such I was thinking about the possibility of making one. However, no one would just make one piece as the design is rather unique and it would not be cost effective.
There are many ways we can approach this project. But the main idea is to make one as cheap as possible but not at the cost of quality. I would like to be upfront with this project to say that I will not be making any money on this project, as that is not the idea behind the project. The main idea is to get one for myself and in order to do that, the watch has to be manufactured in bulk.
I have not contacted any manufacturer at the moment to cost the watch but based on past experience and experience of others, the minimum order is 200 pieces as it would not be cost effective for the manufacturer to tool up for a basic run of anything less. The basic issue would be the case design. I expect if we do go forward with the project, it may take somewhere between 3 to 6 months before we actually see the fruits of our labour.
The original design of the watch calls for a 22 mm lug width, but I agree that a 24 mm lug width would be better and perhaps make the watch more balanced. Also as highlighted by terrenceterrence and Friday, it would facilitate strap change. Although the watch will be a 'diver' watch (exploring getting the depth rating up to 300M), I have decided to go with straps by Wotancraft (assuming James is interested). It important to note that the cost of a case rated to 300M is more expensive as the design has to be more robust and requires better and thicker gaskets.
I have chosen the basic bezel design as it looks like the divers of the 70s. It is basic and simple to reduce the cost. The 12 o'clock marker will be filled with luminous material and it will be staked (to ensure it will not fall off).
As for it being a MWF project, we will need the approval of the forum owners/ moderators/ administrators. I intend to have the MWF logo on the solid case back (if approved) and leave the dial as sterile as possible. Do note that the idea of a california dial is on the book as an alternate dial. The choice of solid case back is to reduce cost.
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That's one cool watch and idea.
Hoover, to achieve 200 pieces is rather mission impossible in MWF.
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That's one cool watch and idea.
Hoover, to achieve 200 pieces is rather mission impossible in MWF.
ck77,
Agreed. It is all up to economics of scale. I will be talking to a couple of people on this and see what is the minimum order and the pricing at that order quantity. If it makes sense, good. If not, we will see what is next.
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perhaps make a few available options for the dial and bezel so every MWF watch is made to look distinctly different from another? just my 2 cents but anyway count me in for this one.
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for this design... if we can get 100 nos...
then we can likely keep it cost below rm2k
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Interesting idea.
Hobbit,
Can tell us more on this design and the origins of it?
I think to keep the cost down, Wotoncraft strap cost more than the movt itself hahaha.
Something to think about.
Should put a cap on the max price so it wont sky rocket?
I agree with Chris keep it under rm2k is a good idea.
I am gong to make this thread a sticky so everyone can see it.
Lets approach this project systematically, Hobbit i will let you take the lead on this.
1- Case design - I think we agreed on this design already?
2- Bezel
3- Lug size
4- Strap choice- Leather/rubber or both
5- MWF logo placement
6- See thru or solid caseback
7- Movt - Agreed on 2824?
Maybe create multiple threads on the different areas above and we can vote or give ideas.
Hope this round MWF project watch really materialize :thumbsup:
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Yeah... I hope this really materializes...
But to hit 200 I agree is difficult...
100 is doable if some ppl buy 2...lol
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perhaps make a few available options for the dial and bezel so every MWF watch is made to look distinctly different from another? just my 2 cents but anyway count me in for this one.
It would be nice to be able to offer options on the dial and bezel, but every different design and option is an extra cost as the manufacturer needs a minimum order quantity.
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Interesting idea.
Hobbit,
Can tell us more on this design and the origins of it?
I think to keep the cost down, Wotoncraft strap cost more than the movt itself hahaha.
Something to think about.
Should put a cap on the max price so it wont sky rocket?
I agree with Chris keep it under rm2k is a good idea.
I am gong to make this thread a sticky so everyone can see it.
Lets approach this project systematically, Hobbit i will let you take the lead on this.
1- Case design - I think we agreed on this design already?
2- Bezel
3- Lug size
4- Strap choice- Leather/rubber or both
5- MWF logo placement
6- See thru or solid caseback
7- Movt - Agreed on 2824?
Maybe create multiple threads on the different areas above and we can vote or give ideas.
Hope this round MWF project watch really materialize :thumbsup:
takashi78,
Basically the design is a mash of watches. But basically the watch is based on a retro diver watch from the 70s. There is no actually picture of a watch that has the design. The case and bezel is very 70s but the dial is from, well that popular Italian brand.
I am looking at capping the cost of the watch to between RM 1 to 1.5k tops. I have had quotes on the case, dial and hands (of another watch which I was involved in) and know roughly the cost of making the watch.
As for the cost of the straps, James (Wotancraft) has many designs (not on his website) that cost less than those on his site, but equally as good. I do like his straps as they are well built. The other option I have is to go with Dan of DaLuca Straps. Pricing is about the same but James is local (to me) and we can work out the cost. As for the inclusion of a rubber strap, that is not really an additional cost as I know the local manufacturer of the 'tropic' rubber strap and the cost is about rm30 per strap.
I already know the cost of the ETA 2824-2 which is about RM480 each. This is the basic movement, gilt and minimal decorations. It has hacking. So as a start are we in agreement with the use of the ETA movement? I still have to check with my watch guy if he can actually source that many movement. However I am sure if we do order in bulk, we may get some discount. I am also getting my watch guy to assemble the watch and he will also test and time the movement. I have checked with him and his cost is minimal, about RM 20 per watch.
So at present my costing:
Movement: RM480
Strap: RM300 (including the rubber strap)
Watch guy: RM20
So that is RM 800. That leaves us with about RM 700 for the case, dial and hands.
I will update once we are more firm with the project.
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Option B bezel.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/bezeloption2.jpg)
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I would hazard the design A bezel is based on the Rolex Zerograph?
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/Page3-Ref-3346.jpg)
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I'm interested!!! Cool project!
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option b bezel looks good . super cool project :thumbsup:
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The estimated cost sounds affordable to many of us :D
How about Sellita, with the same amount could we get a better finished movement?
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Hobbit,
You think this thread is enough to discuss the project or you think a more "formal" thread is needed?
Which gives out proper details and name list of ppl to sign up and terms/condition.
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The estimated cost sounds affordable to many of us :D
How about Sellita, with the same amount could we get a better finished movement?
ck77,
Sadly I have no links to source Selita movements. Thus far, I can source ETA 2824, Asian movements and Seiko 7s26/36. I don't really want to go with the Asian or Seiko cause I want the hacking and hand winding capabilities.
Do you have links to getting the Selita movements? Also I worry about after sales service as the ETA 2824 can be serviced by just about anyone, but not too sure about the Selita (although the Selita is based on the ETA 2824).
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TheHobbit, I too have no link to Sellita :-[
Interesting cali dial :thumbsup:
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Hobbit,
You think this thread is enough to discuss the project or you think a more "formal" thread is needed?
Which gives out proper details and name list of ppl to sign up and terms/condition.
takashi78,
I think at the moment this thread is enough. I think we still need to gage the number of people interested in the project as is. I will work out the finer details soon, like the exact design, size, movement, packaging, terms and condition, shipping, etc. Basically at the moment, as it stands we have less then 10 people interested.
We still need confirmation from the owners of MWF if we can proceed with the project under the MWF banner.
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Not really wanting to jump the gun, but here is the Cali Dial option. I suspect this will be more popular. The dial would be cheaper as compared to doing a sandwich dial.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/calidialoption.jpg)
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Cali dial is good!!!
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I'll be keen on this one too :thumbsup:
I'll follow the opinions of the sifus here, I'm guessing it will be a cool project nevertheless with the quality that is already evident of MWF
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I love the cali dial option! and the center sec hands is good as well.
Hobbit,
Try to PM Danny, he is the owner of the forum so he should be able to give you a final decision.
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How about superlume and AR?
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For those who is serious about this project pls PM Hobbit so he can have a list on how many person is interested.
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PM sent :thumbsup:
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How about superlume and AR?
ancs88,
Yes the watch will have Superlume and AR coating on the inside of the crystal. I have the design in my head and on paper but still finalising. Once that is done, I will run a vote on certain aspects of the watch, like the bezel options, dial lume colour, dial design, display back or solid, but basically that will be it. I know that that is not much, but I have experienced watch design by a committee does not work and in the long term there are too much inputs and things just don't get done.
I apologise if this sounds like I am not taking any input but I really appreciate and value all inputs on the watch as it (if it materialises) will be our watch. But like I said, a watch design by a committee will not work. We can't please everybody. So I will and am apologising to everyone if the watch cannot meet your expectations in terms of design as I know and believe we cannot please everyone. But I will endeavour that it will meet your expectations in terms of quality.
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I apologise if this sounds like I am not taking any input but I really appreciate and value all inputs on the watch as it (if it materialises) will be our watch. But like I said, a watch design by a committee will not work. We can't please everybody. So I will and am apologising to everyone if the watch cannot meet your expectations in terms of design as I know and believe we cannot please everyone. But I will endeavour that it will meet your expectations in terms of quality.
Hobbit, your 1st proposed design is already good enough for me... ;) few bits here n there then it'll be perfect for us mwf members imo..but ur suggestion on making a poll on bezel n etc might be good to make a consensus; take on board all ideas to make it a truely mwf 1st masterpiece.. :Cheers:
But most important of all is the cost factor so we can cater as many as possible our mwf members..
Any way im definitely in on this one n pm sent :thumbsup:
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Hi Hobbit!
I understand it's almost impossible to please everyone. I'm in for this project and I'm pretty sure the finalized design will be great since the ones providing inputs here are sifus on MWF. I'm still very much a noob actually and I will accept the design as it is but if need to vote, I'll do my part!!!
Anyway, it's an interesting and fun project!!! Looking forward to it.
Cheers! :Cheers:
How about superlume and AR?
ancs88,
Yes the watch will have Superlume and AR coating on the inside of the crystal. I have the design in my head and on paper but still finalising. Once that is done, I will run a vote on certain aspects of the watch, like the bezel options, dial lume colour, dial design, display back or solid, but basically that will be it. I know that that is not much, but I have experienced watch design by a committee does not work and in the long term there are too much inputs and things just don't get done.
I apologise if this sounds like I am not taking any input but I really appreciate and value all inputs on the watch as it (if it materialises) will be our watch. But like I said, a watch design by a committee will not work. We can't please everybody. So I will and am apologising to everyone if the watch cannot meet your expectations in terms of design as I know and believe we cannot please everyone. But I will endeavour that it will meet your expectations in terms of quality.
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i think maybe we can omit the strap and fancy packaging and see-through caseback to cut down on the cost. 2824 is nothing really much to look at anyway.
the caseback space could be better utilised for our logo and maybe the serial number and name of owner.
love the look of the zenograph
might need the final breakdown of the total cost to convince more ppl to jump into the bandwagon.
but guess I sudah no choice....sudah lama masuk kereta already :Laughing_on_floor:
count me in.
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i think maybe we can omit the strap and fancy packaging and see-through caseback to cut down on the cost. 2824 is nothing really much to look at anyway.
the caseback space could be better utilised for our logo and maybe the serial number and name of owner.
love the look of the zenograph
might need the final breakdown of the total cost to convince more ppl to jump into the bandwagon.
but guess I sudah no choice....sudah lama masuk kereta already :Laughing_on_floor:
count me in.
Sudah lama masuk kereta ok what...jangan tertnggal kereta sudah...me dont have anything to call a car yet..
:HammerHead:
Also i would like to concur with terrence, but to hv a nice (impervious to water one :Praying:) wotancraft leather strap wont do much harm either.. :Dancing_banana: since hobbit can personally discuss with wotan to kawtim for d price...
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wah kodiak leather not cheap wei
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wah kodiak leather not cheap wei
Thats why... :Praying: :angel: :Praying: :angel: :Praying: :angel: :Praying: :angel: :Praying: my friend... ;D and minus the 30 rubber strap if get d kodiak wan la right?
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wow! think this is a record for our forum. 24 hours and 3 pages.
btw thank you Ivan for the thought and planning. Although this idea may or may not pan out but atleast it's a dream and something for our forum to look forward to.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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+100
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Hi Hobbit,
This looks like a very promising project that you're proposing. Thanks for doing this.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the final design. It's looking very good so far.
:Cheers:
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Personally, I think Kodiak straps would be perfect but it's expensive and would probably be difficult to keep overall cost below 2K. However, whatever you guys decide, I'm sure it will be fantastic and I would really love to be part of it. Hope this project will materialize as I can't wait to see the final product!
:Cheers:
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i think maybe we can omit the strap and fancy packaging and see-through caseback to cut down on the cost. 2824 is nothing really much to look at anyway.
the caseback space could be better utilised for our logo and maybe the serial number and name of owner.
love the look of the zenograph
might need the final breakdown of the total cost to convince more ppl to jump into the bandwagon.
but guess I sudah no choice....sudah lama masuk kereta already :Laughing_on_floor:
count me in.
Sudah lama masuk kereta ok what...jangan tertnggal kereta sudah...me dont have anything to call a car yet..
:HammerHead:
Also i would like to concur with terrence, but to hv a nice (impervious to water one :Praying:) wotancraft leather strap wont do much harm either.. :Dancing_banana: since hobbit can personally discuss with wotan to kawtim for d price...
jangan tertinggal woi.............rugi dan menyesal!!!!!!
again im ok with the plan :) excellent timing...very exclusive :D
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Solid case back seems like a good idea. Great way to put our MWF logo there.
One suggestion.
- Might be good to put "one of xxx" instead of "x/xx" for the LE engraving.
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Just a thoughts, Hobbit, if you think the final piece is what you like for the watch, go for it, too many options or opinions will kill the project since everybody has their own preference. As long as you think it will be a unique and a cool watch to have, I am in. Well, at least a limited edition of 100 or 200 pieces. Just a small request from me, I want the number 8 for the watch, mean mine will be 8/100 or 8/200 ;D
1) Siodee :thumbsup:
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My suggestion would be , make the design for the hand, the submariner hand style. the other most important point is , 100 mtr/200 mtr /300 mtr water resist?
And , for the achieving of 200 pcs, how about getting on the groupon or any other deal a day website, to grab more ppl's attention?
And then, setup a blog to update on the project??and name the project. So that we got a name for the watch?
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The manufacturer she b able to help to do the rendering...
I did that b4. They can source the eta 2824-2
they can get it assemble in Swiss to b Swiss made
or assemble in Hk/Guangzhou
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Hi Hobbit,
This looks like a very promising project that you're proposing. Thanks for doing this.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the final design. It's looking very good so far.
:Cheers:
Danny,
Was going to PM you today. Anyway, do we have your go a ahead to use the MWF logo and perhaps call it the MWF watch project?
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Solid case back seems like a good idea. Great way to put our MWF logo there.
One suggestion.
- Might be good to put "one of xxx" instead of "x/xx" for the LE engraving.
takashi78,
That is part of the idea to have a solid back and have the MWF logo in the center of the case back. Also I am in agreement with the LE engraving as it will remove 'unwanted' number.
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My suggestion would be , make the design for the hand, the submariner hand style. the other most important point is , 100 mtr/200 mtr /300 mtr water resist?
And , for the achieving of 200 pcs, how about getting on the groupon or any other deal a day website, to grab more ppl's attention?
And then, setup a blog to update on the project??and name the project. So that we got a name for the watch?
fistball,
Thank you for your input but at the moment, the sub type hands is not really in the picture at all. I have nothing against the hands, but I don't really want a Zerograph homage. The watch will be rated at 100 M at the moment. I will work with the manufacturer on the cost of getting the watch down to 300 M. If the cost is marginal, we will go for it. If not, I will put it to a vote.
As for the name, if I can get the approval from Danny and the mods, it will be called the MWF project watch.
As for going on big for the project, if we get people outside the group, the watch may not be of much value to the group. Additionally payment and collection and delivery could be an issue.
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The manufacturer she b able to help to do the rendering...
I did that b4. They can source the eta 2824-2
they can get it assemble in Swiss to b Swiss made
or assemble in Hk/Guangzhou
Chrisyen,
Thank for the input.
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Guys,
With regards to the strap, Kodiac straps are very expensive. Even if the cost of the rubber strap is removed, it will not make a difference. I will work to get the best strap I can get (as i am a party to this). Also included in the cost, I hope to include a pouch (leather) for the watch and if funds permitted a screwdriver (as the watch will have a screw pins, ala that Italian brand). The strap will be 24 mm as that will be the lug width. Who knows, might be able to squeeze in a NATO as well. :Praying:
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Wow! Great idea. I'm in for sure.
Luv the cali dial.
Eric.
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Great great great!!!
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This is the most likely design for the watch:
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/calidialfinal.jpg)
The basic specifications:
Case: stainless steel 44 mm diameter, 15 mm thick, 24 mm lug width with screw pins. The case will have a brushed finish.
Case back: stainless steel screw down solid with MWF markings (engraved) LE with 1 of XXX engraved.
Crown: stainless steel, screw down. The crown is big, 8 mm diameter 5 mm thick
Crystal: sapphire, slightly domed with AR coating on the inside.
Dial: california style with SuperLuminova, matte black. All hour markers will be SuperLuminova and have the railroad track minute marker, 32 mm diameter
Hands: PAM style with SuperLuminova, the centrally mounted sweep seconds hand will be all black as well with SuperLuminova ball, all hands matte black. The minute hands will reach the minute markers.
Movement: ETA 2824-2 with hacking
Bezel: stainless steel with SuperLuminova at the 12 o'clock position. The bezel will have shallow serrations along the side and the bezel will taper slightly towards the crystal (it will not be flat). 60 click uni-direction bezel.
Water resistant: 300M (30 ATM)
Strap: 24 mm leather, tropic rubber and hopefully NATO as well. Pin buckle with have a brushed finish.
Did I miss anything?
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hmmm looks like everything's perfect.
but i feel the seconds hand does not flow into the overall design. maybe a more vintage looking seconds hand?
what do u think?
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hmmm looks like everything's perfect.
but i feel the seconds hand does not flow into the overall design. maybe a more vintage looking seconds hand?
what do u think?
The sweep seconds hands is along the lines of the sweep seconds hand of the PAM00029 but will be in black. What design are you looking at?
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/pam_29_2.jpg)
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Is this the cali dial version u plan on using or just a sample? I feel the minute markers for I, II, X, XI is a bit too thin as compared to the markers on 3,6 9 position.
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Is this the cali dial version u plan on using or just a sample? I feel the minute markers for I, II, X, XI is a bit too thin as compared to the markers on 3,6 9 position.
This is just a sample dial. The final design will be a proper drawing with simulation of the actual watch. Yes, the thickness of the Roman and Arabic numerals are not of the same thickness. The lume on the bezel will be a bit larger as compared to the photograph. Even the sweep second hand is wrong as the final product will have an all black sweep second hand.
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Have to apologise as my capabilities with regards to image manipulations is rather limited.
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Have to apologise as my capabilities with regards to image manipulations is rather limited.
no prob bro,
after reading the about the description of the end design, i have faith in your choices.
So i am all for it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
again....i am in the bandwagon :laugh: :laugh:
so anyone here prolific enough in CAD/CAM or photoshop to do a design of the caseback?
;D
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I thought we gonna have Wotoncraft leather strap?
When did it change to rubber?
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I thought we gonna have Wotoncraft leather strap?
When did it change to rubber?
think Ivan meant:
"Strap: 24 mm leather, tropic rubber and hopefully NATO as well. Pin buckle with have a brushed finish."
the leather strap would be a Wotancraft strap
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as the final product will have an all black sweep second hand.
I bet the final design will be a beauty... :Cheers:
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as the final product will have an all black sweep second hand.
I bet the final design will be a beauty... :Cheers:
Let's hope more people will be interested and get the project off the ground.
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What is a minimum?
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Are we going to brand it MWF? Sounds cool!!!
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What is a minimum?
I suspect if we just do the case, dial, hands and movement, basic strap, we can get away with perhaps RM1,000. It is quality and quantity dependent.
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Sorry i mean minimum orders.
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Sorry i mean minimum orders.
Based on other projects that I was involved, 100 but very tight. At the moment not in contact with any manufacturers on minimum amount as yet. Have put some feelers out to one, but they have yet to come back to me. Have checked (in the past) with a popular manufacturer and their minimum is 200 (both the German and HK ones). May have to compensate lower number with higher cost. Will put it up for a vote if we come to that.
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Finances willing, i will definitely pick up one of these. What if you pair the cali dial design with the Submariner type bezel? That would be awesome imho.
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Any graphic representation of the design?Forgive me as i cant imagine how it will looks like
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Any graphic representation of the design?Forgive me as i cant imagine how it will looks like
dude..have you scrolled and viewed pages 1,2 and 4?
thought those graphic representation is quite clear ........
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Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.
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Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.
Hobbit, dont worry, work slowly, no rush for the watch, I think we all can wait. Important thing is "slow work come out quality" in chinese. :Cheers:
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Yep... let the search goes on!
Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.
Hobbit, dont worry, work slowly, no rush for the watch, I think we all can wait. Important thing is "slow work come out quality" in chinese. :Cheers:
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Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.
Hobbit, dont worry, work slowly, no rush for the watch, I think we all can wait. Important thing is "slow work come out quality" in chinese. :Cheers:
hahahaha no worries, I am not in a rush for the watch as well. And I am not ready to give up on quality. Been through a number of homage and small independent brands and have to say, I have seen some really bad ones. It is just putting feelers out there and see what comes back. Also want to be as transparent as I can.
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Hi Hobbit,
Yo mentioned the inspiration for the bezel design comes from the 70s Diver? Care to share some of the links or watches with this type of bezel design? just wanna look see look see... ;)
The basic idea for this project is that I myself want one of this watches but I cannot get them anymore. The people who made this watch is not interested to revisit this design and as such I was thinking about the possibility of making one. However, no one would just make one piece as the design is rather unique and it would not be cost effective.
There are many ways we can approach this project. But the main idea is to make one as cheap as possible but not at the cost of quality. I would like to be upfront with this project to say that I will not be making any money on this project, as that is not the idea behind the project. The main idea is to get one for myself and in order to do that, the watch has to be manufactured in bulk.
I have not contacted any manufacturer at the moment to cost the watch but based on past experience and experience of others, the minimum order is 200 pieces as it would not be cost effective for the manufacturer to tool up for a basic run of anything less. The basic issue would be the case design. I expect if we do go forward with the project, it may take somewhere between 3 to 6 months before we actually see the fruits of our labour.
The original design of the watch calls for a 22 mm lug width, but I agree that a 24 mm lug width would be better and perhaps make the watch more balanced. Also as highlighted by terrenceterrence and Friday, it would facilitate strap change. Although the watch will be a 'diver' watch (exploring getting the depth rating up to 300M), I have decided to go with straps by Wotancraft (assuming James is interested). It important to note that the cost of a case rated to 300M is more expensive as the design has to be more robust and requires better and thicker gaskets.
I have chosen the basic bezel design as it looks like the divers of the 70s. It is basic and simple to reduce the cost. The 12 o'clock marker will be filled with luminous material and it will be staked (to ensure it will not fall off).
As for it being a MWF project, we will need the approval of the forum owners/ moderators/ administrators. I intend to have the MWF logo on the solid case back (if approved) and leave the dial as sterile as possible. Do note that the idea of a california dial is on the book as an alternate dial. The choice of solid case back is to reduce cost.
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Hi Hobbit,
Yo mentioned the inspiration for the bezel design comes from the 70s Diver? Care to share some of the links or watches with this type of bezel design? just wanna look see look see... ;)
ancs88,
Perhaps it is in error that I said the bezel design comes is inspired by divers watch of the 70s. It is more of the case design. The bezel I would say is inspired by the Rolex Zerograph (1937) and the Longines Weems watches.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/Page93Ref3346Zerograph.jpg)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/longines_weems_dial_close.jpg)
As for the case design:
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/sm120_5.jpg)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/PA180028.jpg)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/1436803.jpg)
Hope that helps. The watch is a mash of design ideas really.
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I feel the case design looks very similar to this ECW...
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php/topic,1936.0.html
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Hi Hobbit,
Yo mentioned the inspiration for the bezel design comes from the 70s Diver? Care to share some of the links or watches with this type of bezel design? just wanna look see look see... ;)
ancs88,
Perhaps it is in error that I said the bezel design comes is inspired by divers watch of the 70s. It is more of the case design. The bezel I would say is inspired by the Rolex Zerograph (1937) and the Longines Weems watches.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/Page93Ref3346Zerograph.jpg)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/longines_weems_dial_close.jpg)
As for the case design:
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/sm120_5.jpg)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/PA180028.jpg)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/1436803.jpg)
Hope that helps. The watch is a mash of design ideas really.
Wow, a retro of 70's Diver watch with Rolex's bezel (sure the Rolex die-hard fans will want a piece of this) :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Why own this watch, cause you can have Rolex, Omega, Longines, and Tissot in 1 body :Laughing_on_floor:
How about the dial and face??
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It looks great... I am in!!
:Praying:
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I had a similar case Tissot some time ago.
Nice chunky watch.
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/leongps78/DSCN1373.jpg)
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I feel the case design looks very similar to this ECW...
http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php/topic,1936.0.html
ancs88,
Very likely.
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Small update, sadly not very good news. Had a chat late last night with one supplier and they will only undertake the project if the minimal order is 300 pieces. Well I don't think we will be working with them. The search goes on.
Hi guys, just thought I’d give my humble suggestion to this project so please don’t flame me for it as I would like to share my recent discovery if you haven’t already know it. I was recently in Steinhart’s website and came across a few special limited edition watches that they made for the Russian and Turkish watch forum and the number produced is fairly low like in the region of 40 – 50 pieces. Of course, the watches they produced for these forums are probably made from existing mould/design with some customization and it is certainly different from the original intent of this project but I thought it may be worth considering if we ever run out of options. With that said, it would of course be better if our sifus here can really materialize this project as nothing beats having our very own designed watch. Just sharing my 2 sen….keep up the good work :thumbsup:
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I absolutely like the cali dial design. IMHO, no screwdriver is fine if cost would be pushed lower. Case if brushed is better as is not prone to hairline scratches. Other than that, it is absolutely beautiful. One question though, is the dial sterile? It would look better if the MWF logo only is put above 6o'clock ala PAM Logo or Ennebi style. If words, are put on it, it would look a little funny and not too mention a bit weird. I am all for sterile dial!!
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Another update:
Found another manufacturer that is willing to do the project at 100 pieces. The expected cost per unit case, dial and hands is about USD 200 (likely less). This is based on the specs given to them. The final costing will be fine tuned dependent on a number of things, like the thickness of the crystal, the lume used, engraving or etching on the case back, even things like the mechanism for the bezel. There are simple spring ball ratchet type design and there are the single spring leg design and more than one spring leg design. Also how the bezel is held in place and choice of plastic or metal movement holder.
This is just to give you an idea of what goes behind the design of a watch and its eventual costing.
Simple ratchet design. Lets not talk about the level of finishing of the hole.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSCF1142.jpg)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSCF1141.jpg)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/DSCF1143.jpg)
A better ratchet mechanism.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/L1050658.jpg)
Plastic spacer and movement holder.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/L1050607.jpg)
The bezel is held by a rubber gasket. This method is used by Seiko and Casio.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/SANY0430.jpg)
The rubber gasket sits inside the groove and the lower lip (in this photo it is the lip at the top as the bezel is upside down) will engage a lip on the case. It will 'lock' as there is an interference gap between the two lips. Look at the different finish of the ratchet tooth. These does have an impact on the costing of the watch.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/L1050516.jpg)
Using a metal spring ring.
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/L1050518.jpg)
The screwdown crown design of the PRS-2 Dreadnought watch (rated to 2,500M)
(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/crown.jpg)
So the first thing is to see if we can get to the required number of people for the project to proceed.
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I absolutely like the cali dial design. IMHO, no screwdriver is fine if cost would be pushed lower. Case if brushed is better as is not prone to hairline scratches. Other than that, it is absolutely beautiful. One question though, is the dial sterile? It would look better if the MWF logo only is put above 6o'clock ala PAM Logo or Ennebi style. If words, are put on it, it would look a little funny and not too mention a bit weird. I am all for sterile dial!!
G.Mac,
The screwdriver, extra strap (rubber), leather pouch are all the extras that do not cost much but will be voted on when the time comes. Even the choice of going Wotancraft or not (I have yet to speak to them) will be put to a vote.
At the moment, the dial will be sterile. Any markings will be on the case back.
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:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: When the technical too detail, everyone is like :Startled: then again :Startled: No more response
For me, as long as the bezel is "tak tak" sound, and 1/2 minute turn, waula.. :thumbsup:
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:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: When the technical too detail, everyone is like :Startled: then again :Startled: No more response
For me, as long as the bezel is "tak tak" sound, and 1/2 minute turn, waula.. :thumbsup:
Same here as long as it makes the "tak tak" sound which i think the single rachet will..and there's a mention of seiko and 2500 m from the prs...Its fine with me.. :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: sounds like i do understand right siodee?? :Laughing_on_floor: :HammerHead: :Laughing_on_floor:...
Anyway thanks for your effort dear Hobbit...whatever your final design is...im in. :Cheers:
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:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: When the technical too detail, everyone is like :Startled: then again :Startled: No more response
For me, as long as the bezel is "tak tak" sound, and 1/2 minute turn, waula.. :thumbsup:
Siodee,
The bezel will be 60 clicks, so no 1/2 minute turn. Sorry.
The reason for the post is not being technical but more of showing what goes into the design and building a watch. For example many people will ask why one bezel cost less than another. Upon closer inspection, you find that the cheaper bezel has the bezel insert mounted with double side tape while the more expensive one is fitted and held by mere tolerances (not always the case sadly). It is to show how one manufacturer can quote USD 69 to manufacture a watch while another is USD 200 (for example).
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Great insight into the bezel!
I'm sure this will be a good learning experience and eye opener for all of us.
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I love the tech details!!! :thumbsup:
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wow, very interesting project going on. keep up the good work mate!
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Hobbit ..
Just curious if this is possible .... to engraved the owners number against issued .
Will this inflate cost?
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Hobbit ..
"to engraved the owners number against issued"
What do you mean owners number? You mean name?
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Hobbit ..
"to engraved the owners number against issued"
What do you mean owners number? You mean name?
Like this
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k485/acurusaragon/mylove.jpg)
here its engraved Nr. 101/250 .. ;)
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Hobbit ..
"to engraved the owners number against issued"
What do you mean owners number? You mean name?
I think he meant engraving the "owners no./xxx; no. issued"... I think this will be of a compliment?? My 2 cents.. ???
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Hobbit ..
Just curious if this is possible .... to engraved the owners number against issued .
Will this inflate cost?
Read the previous pages and you will get your answer.
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Hobbit ..
Just curious if this is possible .... to engraved the owners number against issued .
Will this inflate cost?
acurusaragon,
I am guessing you want to choose the serial number of the watch? At the moment, the plan is to have all the watches engraved with 1 of XXX. This will remove unwanted numbers or unlucky number or what ever you call them. This will make moving the watches easier. Even the big boys (IWC, Bvlgari) are doing this. I hope this answer your question.
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:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: When the technical too detail, everyone is like :Startled: then again :Startled: No more response
For me, as long as the bezel is "tak tak" sound, and 1/2 minute turn, waula.. :thumbsup:
Siodee,
The bezel will be 60 clicks, so no 1/2 minute turn. Sorry.
The reason for the post is not being technical but more of showing what goes into the design and building a watch. For example many people will ask why one bezel cost less than another. Upon closer inspection, you find that the cheaper bezel has the bezel insert mounted with double side tape while the more expensive one is fitted and held by mere tolerances (not always the case sadly). It is to show how one manufacturer can quote USD 69 to manufacture a watch while another is USD 200 (for example).
Pardon for my ignorance ;D
Hobbit ..
Just curious if this is possible .... to engraved the owners number against issued .
Will this inflate cost?
acurusaragon,
I am guessing you want to choose the serial number of the watch? At the moment, the plan is to have all the watches engraved with 1 of XXX. This will remove unwanted numbers or unlucky number or what ever you call them. This will make moving the watches easier. Even the big boys (IWC, Bvlgari) are doing this. I hope this answer your question.
That is why need to book earlier, can get the nice number :Cheers:
Hobbit, how is the sourcing progress now?
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That is why need to book earlier, can get the nice number :Cheers:
Hobbit, how is the sourcing progress now?
siodee,
Basically at the moment, everyones watch will be 1 of xxx. There will not be any 2 of xxx or 3 of xxx.
As for the sourcing, I already have a manufacturer who will do the watch at 100 pieces. The expected cost (yet to finalise) is about USD 200 based on the specs given to them. I expect the cost to go down slightly as based on experience, manufacturers tend to over quote to manage expectations. They also don't want the cost to balloon and have the client run away. Final costing will be based on the exact specs we want the watch to have.
I also have another manufacturer who will the project but the cost is much higher. This is because they are bespoke makers. However they can work on a lower volume.
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Hobbit, :thumbsup: at least we can see some daylight in the tunnel. Now we just need to get 100 buyers, and we are almost done. :Cheers:
BTW, the other manufacturer can do for lower number, what is their price different compare to the 100 order manufacturer???
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Hobbit, :thumbsup: at least we can see some daylight in the tunnel. Now we just need to get 100 buyers, and we are almost done. :Cheers:
BTW, the other manufacturer can do for lower number, what is their price different compare to the 100 order manufacturer???
A lot, about 3 times more. But the quality is up there with the big boys as I have 'played' with their watches before. These watches are hand made using lathe machines and are hand finished.
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Definately an interesting project and as a freshie here...i would like very much to be part of it. Can I? Can I?
This MWF special project reminds me of the recent WUSSE Steinhart Proteus.
This is way cool and I like!! MWF very own inaugural project.
Next is to find a name and a logo design for this new baby and have in engraved on the case back! :Dancing_banana:
Btw, is the cost still below RM2k??
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That is why need to book earlier, can get the nice number :Cheers:
Hobbit, how is the sourcing progress now?
siodee,
Basically at the moment, everyones watch will be 1 of xxx. There will not be any 2 of xxx or 3 of xxx.
As for the sourcing, I already have a manufacturer who will do the watch at 100 pieces. The expected cost (yet to finalise) is about USD 200 based on the specs given to them. I expect the cost to go down slightly as based on experience, manufacturers tend to over quote to manage expectations. They also don't want the cost to balloon and have the client run away. Final costing will be based on the exact specs we want the watch to have.
I also have another manufacturer who will the project but the cost is much higher. This is because they are bespoke makers. However they can work on a lower volume.
Again mate i'm in :thumbsup:
I have extreme faith in your decision making from the books you read and your blog write up ;D
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Hobbit, :thumbsup: at least we can see some daylight in the tunnel. Now we just need to get 100 buyers, and we are almost done. :Cheers:
BTW, the other manufacturer can do for lower number, what is their price different compare to the 100 order manufacturer???
A lot, about 3 times more. But the quality is up there with the big boys as I have 'played' with their watches before. These watches are hand made using lathe machines and are hand finished.
Assuming 20 pieces or 50 pieces, will the price still 3 times higher than 100 pieces? Or relatively reduce from 3x if number increase?
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I think with the amount of active members in this forum 50 piece is a more realistic number.
Although i do hope that those members who dont post can still PM Hobbit and have their name included in the list.
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Assuming 20 pieces or 50 pieces, will the price still 3 times higher than 100 pieces? Or relatively reduce from 3x if number increase?
The price quoted is for a run of about 50 pieces. It has to be said that these prices are still exploratory. Final pricing will come with what we decide to do with the watch. Their cut-off is 50 pieces and the next run at 100 pieces. It is difficult for them to quote pricing for 50 pieces, 60 pieces etc.
Also I would like to say that the watch is still a project watch and not an MWF project watch. It is better to make this clear at this stage before we proceed. As such, we will still need to get a name and logo, if desired for the watch.
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dear sifus and otai!!
sorry for my interruption in this discussion, but i'm also very interested in this project watch (if the price is within m budget :HammerHead:). i think this watch can be very successful, our own forum limited edition watch!!!!. but from what i've been reading from the previous post, i think this project is lack of authority, i think we should elect a committee (several active member) coz i think its not fair to let Mr Hobbit to handle this on his own, to foreseen this project direction and how it should be marketed (MWF or Not) and came out with a final design and spec for the presentation to the forum member to finalized the project. but that is just me opinion. please don't hate me for this.. :Blue:
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dear sifus and otai!!
sorry for my interruption in this discussion, but i'm also very interested in this project watch (if the price is within m budget :HammerHead:). i think this watch can be very successful, our own forum limited edition watch!!!!. but from what i've been reading from the previous post, i think this project is lack of authority, i think we should elect a committee (several active member) coz i think its not fair to let Mr Hobbit to handle this on his own, to foreseen this project direction and how it should be marketed (MWF or Not) and came out with a final design and spec for the presentation to the forum member to finalized the project. but that is just me opinion. please don't hate me for this.. :Blue:
Hobbit is in Taiwan, and I believe he enjoys every bits of the project without any committee members, what you can help, is to get more people to join the list, that is much we can help for this project ;D
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i din digest much of the earlier post, not sure this mention before, but it will be great if the bezel is upgradable. Been eyeing Kazimon watch for a while, notice their bezel is easy to change as per this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc8qZ7V9mmk
for name heheh ... since the idea from the Hobbit (maybe some along the lord of the ring theme)
suddely infinite idea come, The Gollum Bezel (green) :Jumping: wow The wizard bezel (blue) :Blue:
hehe my cent... :HammerHead:
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I think most people here :Confused: It is better to provide a name or code name for this project, and the theme for the watch.
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MWF Project watch?!? or still awaiting approval? It's just a project name, then we can name the watch from feedback and voting, right?
My suggestion would be , make the design for the hand, the submariner hand style. the other most important point is , 100 mtr/200 mtr /300 mtr water resist?
And , for the achieving of 200 pcs, how about getting on the groupon or any other deal a day website, to grab more ppl's attention?
And then, setup a blog to update on the project??and name the project. So that we got a name for the watch?
fistball,
Thank you for your input but at the moment, the sub type hands is not really in the picture at all. I have nothing against the hands, but I don't really want a Zerograph homage. The watch will be rated at 100 M at the moment. I will work with the manufacturer on the cost of getting the watch down to 300 M. If the cost is marginal, we will go for it. If not, I will put it to a vote.
As for the name, if I can get the approval from Danny and the mods, it will be called the MWF project watch.
As for going on big for the project, if we get people outside the group, the watch may not be of much value to the group. Additionally payment and collection and delivery could be an issue.
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The premise of the watch was this, on page 1 of this thread.
"The basic idea for this project is that I myself want one of this watches but I cannot get them anymore. The people who made this watch is not interested to revisit this design and as such I was thinking about the possibility of making one. However, no one would just make one piece as the design is rather unique and it would not be cost effective.
There are many ways we can approach this project. But the main idea is to make one as cheap as possible but not at the cost of quality. I would like to be upfront with this project to say that I will not be making any money on this project, as that is not the idea behind the project. The main idea is to get one for myself and in order to do that, the watch has to be manufactured in bulk.
I have not contacted any manufacturer at the moment to cost the watch but based on past experience and experience of others, the minimum order is 200 pieces as it would not be cost effective for the manufacturer to tool up for a basic run of anything less. The basic issue would be the case design. I expect if we do go forward with the project, it may take somewhere between 3 to 6 months before we actually see the fruits of our labour.
The original design of the watch calls for a 22 mm lug width, but I agree that a 24 mm lug width would be better and perhaps make the watch more balanced. Also as highlighted by terrenceterrence and Friday, it would facilitate strap change. Although the watch will be a 'diver' watch (exploring getting the depth rating up to 300M), I have decided to go with straps by Wotancraft (assuming James is interested). It important to note that the cost of a case rated to 300M is more expensive as the design has to be more robust and requires better and thicker gaskets.
I have chosen the basic bezel design as it looks like the divers of the 70s. It is basic and simple to reduce the cost. The 12 o'clock marker will be filled with luminous material and it will be staked (to ensure it will not fall off).
As for it being a MWF project, we will need the approval of the forum owners/ moderators/ administrators. I intend to have the MWF logo on the solid case back (if approved) and leave the dial as sterile as possible. Do note that the idea of a california dial is on the book as an alternate dial. The choice of solid case back is to reduce cost."
However as this project will not be a MWF project, I am sure there are concerns on the project, its justifications, warranty, delivery, manufacturing schedules, responsibilities and more so when money is involved.
As such, I believe I should withdraw this project from the forum, as I do not want to cause undue concerns with the owners, moderators, administrators and members of the forum and put this great forum in any unnecessary risks or repercussions.
The owners, moderators and administrators have been kind enough in allowing me the latitude to post the watch project on the forum. They have been very supportive and interested from the start of the project.
I appreciate and respect that the forum is non-commercial in nature and such the project perhaps could have been better served if it was done outside the realm of the forum. I guess the excitement in this has gotten the better of me.
With this in mind, I have decided it is better that I withdraw the watch project from the forum. Additionally I would like to apologise to all who has shown an interest in the project as the project is no longer on and have wasted your time and energy.