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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: pexus on May 06, 2011, 07:07:04 AM
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had this experience few months back but didnt had the time to share...
couple of months , i was on way back from a work trip, MAS local flight, business.
Took out my Ipad and was browsing through the IWC magazine. IT was night so i think quite many people could see what i was browsing.
Sitting across the aisle was a man (i think maybe mid 50-60s). he kept on staring at me and i noticed he was wearing 2 watches. But i didnt dare to start a conversation.
He asked me if i am interested in watches and i just told him i am a beginner and the type that have seen more photos of luxury watches as compared to owning or holding one.
Then he told me he knows a lot about watches. and he took out one of his timepiece and let me molest molest. It was a limited edition, (the number was 003 i thin) and it was a Dubey & Schaldenbrand ( i gotta admit....i know zilch about this brand).... He started by telling me about independent watch makers as compared to branded luxury watches, etc, etc. How he personally knows all the owners. And how he has access to the first batch of their limited collections. How he can easily arrange for a tour if the timing is right, etc...
He actually has a role in the Malaysian ambassador office in Switzerland . He gave me a card. And he told me due to his frequent trips through and fro from Switzerland plus his contacts in Malaysia, he actually bring in watches for many Malaysian VVIPS. One reason is due to his ambassadorial connection, he can actually bring in timepieces through the airports. (i suspect its a business for him but since the conversation was educating, i didnt want to raise the money issue).
I did ask him who in Malaysia has a `matured' collection, meaning in terms of quality and not quantity. He told me one of the royalty (cant reveal, nanti kena saman....) is a very enthusiastic WIS and in fact, he is on this particular flight to see him. I suspect he is bringing that DB to him. Another well known tycoon is also an avid collector.
Well, the conversation went on..he gave me a card, etc, etc
After touch down, he stood up and took his leather bag and say...`here, i got something for you'....my heart beat very fast...maybe his old watch? even an entry level IWC or Omega pun okay...and he took out....
2 catalogues...hahahahahaha!!!!! but its nice....one is Heure and the other one Dubey & Schaldenbrand's catalogue...
well...interesting story..I googled him out that night itself and yes, he is based in Basel, appeared in a watch magazine before, and also owns a restaurant there it seems...
i emailed him but he never balas... :Blue:..maybe if i got chance to visit Switzerland, i go visit him......
and get more catalogues..hahahaah!!! :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
maybe some of you met or know him?
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When you said he wearing 2 watches my first thought was you meet Maradona!
Well Malaysia watches is tax free, so with or without his "connections" i think not hard to even carry 10 watches back.
Maybe access to LE is more likely.
Anyways one that i can confirm is the Agung was at Speake-Marin's booth at Basel this year.
Saw in his FB. He was taking delivery of the only diamond 4 skull dial PSM watch.
Arrange a manufacture visit for MWF ! woot woot!
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should have take some shots of the watch :D
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if i met Maradona the topic will be on football and asking for his collection of jerseys..hahaha
yep..i think due to the amount of royalties we have in this country (total up number of Sultans), Malaysia must be a very healthy business base for high end timepieces....
yeah...good idea..i will find his card and PM you takashi..maybe if you introduce yourself as president of MWF or something more formal, he will respond..
ck 77..i already feel malu talking to him.....so i dont think i want to take out my phone camera and snap pictures.. ;D
i will try post covers of the 2 magazines later...
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So you went over and sit beside him and chat or the other way round?
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So you went over and sit beside him and chat or the other way round?
neither..each sitting at own place..directly across separated by the aisle...
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Wow you can chat so much sitting so far apart haha....the love of watches unite!
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The Sultan of Kelantan is a big time WIS. His loves the skeleton tourbies...
and he travels with a big Buben&Zorweg winder.
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I get a :o face from a chinaman who look at my SM mk4.5 and asked me if its original :Scolding:
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He actually has a role in the Malaysian ambassador office in Switzerland .
I'd be interested to know his name because I've got quite a few acquaintances in Geneva. If that's not possible publicly, I'd be happy to receive a PM.
Thanks. :Cheers:
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U no ask him for any discount?
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He actually has a role in the Malaysian ambassador office in Switzerland .
I'd be interested to know his name because I've got quite a few acquaintances in Geneva. If that's not possible publicly, I'd be happy to receive a PM.
Thanks. :Cheers:
sent.... ;D
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U no ask him for any discount?
no la...one of the first thing he mentioned to me is dont look at Omegas, IWCs anymore if you want to be a serious watch collector...
so where i got dare to ask him if he can get an IWC Pilot Chrono at factory price? ;D
but he is a nice and friendly person...no air of pride despite his knowledge...
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Wow you can chat so much sitting so far apart haha....the love of watches unite!
hehehe Boeing 737 business class..aisle not so far apart.......
anyway, pm-med you the contact...
if you managed to arrange for a tour...then dont forget to sponsor me go... :Laughing_on_floor:
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anyway...the 2 complimentary magazines... ;D ;D
:Cheers:
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no la...one of the first thing he mentioned to me is dont look at Omegas, IWCs anymore if you want to be a serious watch collector...
Wow, that would mean that a lot of us here would qualify as not serious watch collectors! :o I know I'm not. ;D
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no la...one of the first thing he mentioned to me is dont look at Omegas, IWCs anymore if you want to be a serious watch collector...
Wow, that would mean that a lot of us here would qualify as not serious watch collectors! :o I know I'm not. ;D
i think its a general statement by him..most probably he has reached a level where he is so used to recommending only super luxury brands to VVIPs..circle of people who wont even take a 2nd glance at Omegas or IWCs perhaps......so in that context...maybe he was trying to advice me dont just buy based on brand name or popularity or an ad featuring a movie star.. but to know and study the uniqueness, history, movements, etc..
but we all know watch collecting is a very fluent, dynamic and best of all `to each its own' hobby..... :Dancing_banana:
if not, forum like poormanswatch forum wont exist...
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lol. Collecting vintage omega consider not "good"?
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interesting..but how many of us here can afford the independent watchmaker watches likes, FP Journe, Peter speake marin, MB&F, Philippe Dufour & etc?
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no la...one of the first thing he mentioned to me is dont look at Omegas, IWCs anymore if you want to be a serious watch collector...
Wow, that would mean that a lot of us here would qualify as not serious watch collectors! :o I know I'm not. ;D
i think its a general statement by him..most probably he has reached a level where he is so used to recommending only super luxury brands to VVIPs..circle of people who wont even take a 2nd glance at Omegas or IWCs perhaps......so in that context...maybe he was trying to advice me dont just buy based on brand name or popularity or an ad featuring a movie star.. but to know and study the uniqueness, history, movements, etc..
but we all know watch collecting is a very fluent, dynamic and best of all `to each its own' hobby..... :Dancing_banana:
if not, forum like poormanswatch forum wont exist...
I thought what you said about poor mans watch forum is just a figure of speech but when my curiosity makes me google it up... IT EXISTS!!! Time for me to leave here and join them there... Since most if my watches are dirt grade and below?? :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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no la...one of the first thing he mentioned to me is dont look at Omegas, IWCs anymore if you want to be a serious watch collector...
Wow, that would mean that a lot of us here would qualify as not serious watch collectors! :o I know I'm not. ;D
Interesting statement. I only consider one a serious collector if your collection is named after you like this one:
The Sandberg collection:
'The "Sandberg Watch Collection" is a unique collection of 433 timepieces, one of the most outstanding still in private hands. With a global value of about 15 million Swiss Francs, it comprises some of the world's most remarkable enameled watches and musical watches with automaton scenes, often produced for the Chinese market, together with singing bird boxes, erotic watches and exquisite form watches.
Spanning the years 1500s to 1900s, "The Sandberg Watch Collection" includes exceptional watches from the 16th and 17th centuries, and rare watches of major importance for their technical interest, such as an early self-winding "perpÉtuelle" pocket watch by Abraham-Louis Breguet, circa 1815, and an astronomical watch, made for nautical use, circa 1785, by the English watchmaker George Margetts.'
Some of the brands in the collection (how many of these brands do you know?)
Pierre Drouynot
Jaquet-droz
Abrecht & Co
Louis Elisée Piguet
Charles Oudin
George Prior
James Cox
Breguet
William Howes
Robert Brandt & Co
Bichler & Hartmann
Longines
Of course the collection has been sold.
'Sandberg Watch Collection Grosses $13 Million in Geneva
Geneva, Switzerland - Antiquorum's sale of "The Sandberg Watch Collection", held March 31 and April 1 at the Hotel Richemond, reached $13,085,265. The sum represents offerings that were 200 percent sold by value and 91 percent by lot.
During the weekend, 44 clients registered to bid online at Axxxxxxxxm and bid a total of $427,745 in cyberspace, with $347,338 spent online just for the Sandberg Auction. Altogether more than 2,000 watch enthusiasts were online viewing the live auction broadcast during the entire weekend.
Lord Sandberg, though sad to lose his collection, was thrilled at the results. "I made the right decision in doing this auction with Axxxxxxxxm. Osvaldo is light years ahead of all the others in the field." Sandberg referred to Osvaldo Patrizzi, chairman of the auction house, who saw the event as "a true festival for collectors which brought a number of new buyers."
The Amphora, attributed to Piguet & Capt, was the top lot at $523,410.
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The top lots from the collection included lot 47, The Amphora, attributed to Piguet & Capt, circa 1805, which reached a world record at $523,410. The gold, enamel pearl-set, musical form watch with automaton scene was purchased by a Swiss private museum.
Lot 402 also reached a world record at $478,901. The Madonna della Sedia, Piguet & Meylan, circa 1820, a rare pair of gold, enamel, pearl and ruby set watches with music and automaton scene, also went to a Swiss private museum. Lot 194, at $447,110, another world record, was a Piguet & Meylan, circa 1820. The pair of gold, enamel, pearl-set, centre-seconds, quarter repeating watches was purchased by a Swiss private museum.
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Lot 49, at $351,734, was attributed to Moulinié, Bautte & Cie, circa 1806. A US private collection went home with the pair of gold, enamel and pearl-set, perfume sprinkler pistols with watch. Selling for $ 345,376 and attributed to Jaquet-Droz, circa 1785, was a gold, enamel pearl and ruby set singing bird watch that, appropriately, was purchased by the Jaquet-Droz Museum.
Reaching the sum of $ 294,500 was an Abraham Cusin, circa 1630, silver, gold, gilt metal and enamel watch designed as a cross of the Order of the Holy Ghost. Its buyer was a Swiss private museum.'
Or that the catalogue of the pieces on auction can fetch USD 200.
The catalogue:
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I know of people who, when meeting with people who are not as 'educated' in watches as them (I an not implying that this guy is one of them), they try to 'show off' what they know.
Well I can only say that if you choose not to collect brands like Omega, IWC, and such, it is your loss. It may not be as 'glamorous' as collecting independent brands, but it is still a watch, whose main function is to tell time. I have more respect for a Seiko collectors who knows his stuff than one who has all the independent brands and knows next to nothing.
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Well I can only say that if you choose not to collect brands like Omega, IWC, and such, it is your loss. It may not be as 'glamorous' as collecting independent brands, but it is still a watch, whose main function is to tell time. I have more respect for a Seiko collectors who knows his stuff than one who has all the independent brands and knows next to nothing.
I must say Hobbit... I agree with the bold part 110%...
In the course of collecting watches, most often time we will meet with rich snobs who know almost nothing but pretend to tell you nonsense...
But of course their collection is worth 10 times that of mine... ;D
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i wonder how those "hi end" ppl will think abt those seiko expert ??? ??? ???
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But of course their collection is worth 10 times that of mine... ;D
Value is relative.
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i wonder how those "hi end" ppl will think abt those seiko expert ??? ??? ???
I sometimes wonder how those Seiko experts think about those 'hi-end people'. ;)
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Totally agree with Hobbit!
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SOme people are really satisfied even tho all they had is Seiko watches, from Auto tuna to the Seiko 5 watches.. They dont have lolex but i guess they dont mind anyway :thumbsup:
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For me, I collect watches to satisfy myself as i like the mechanical part of the watch (and quartz too).... & for now, I am satisfied with what I had now. :)
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SOme people are really satisfied even tho all they had is Seiko watches, from Auto tuna to the Seiko 5 watches.. They dont have lolex but i guess they dont mind anyway :thumbsup:
Nothing wrong with Seiko, honest brand with great honest watches. I would guess it is one of the very few companies that can cater to the needs of a cross section of the population, offering great entry watches to top of the range expensive models. Anyway my Seikos say hi...
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The Hobbit,
The problem is usually most the "hi end" or rich snob ppl think seiko is crap for them :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
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The Hobbit,
The problem is usually most the "hi end" or rich snob ppl think seiko is crap for them :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Gigi,
Never a problem for me as I don't really care what they think. I have some of these very people as 'friends' and they always ask why I collect, sorry have Seiko watches. They continue to show of their watches whose name they can't even pronounce. How these master watch makers make their own movements and how they are so creative, etc, etc, etc.
Well I just smile and agree. Little do they know these so called great artisans of watch making all start with the simple ETA movement when they started their trade and or training. They look down on the simple ETA movement or the basic 7s26 or even the Miyota 8125. I have an analogy for these people, they seems to think that there are students because there are teachers. The truth? There are teachers because there are students.
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I would never wanna cross swords with Hobbit though...
It will be like digging my own grave, but I would like to be as knowledgeable as him... :Cheers:
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"I have an analogy for these people, they seems to think that there are students because there are teachers. The truth? There are teachers because there are students."
I totally agree, :thumbsup:...and I am still learning from all the Master Jedi..."Yes, Master"
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I would never wanna cross swords with Hobbit though...
It will be like digging my own grave, but I would like to be as knowledgeable as him... :Cheers:
hanz079,
Hahahaha we can cross swords anytime and I am sure we would have an interesting discussion and we both will come out learning something.
It is just that it gets me every time we have these 'high end' people looking down of the common hard working people and their collection of watches. It is as if the collection is not worthy of being called a collection. Everybody has to start some where.
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I would never wanna cross swords with Hobbit though...
It will be like digging my own grave, but I would like to be as knowledgeable as him... :Cheers:
I dont see that he is crossing sword with me, he is just giving his own opinion on this matter :thumbsup:
The Hobbit,
The problem is usually most the "hi end" or rich snob ppl think seiko is crap for them :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Gigi,
Never a problem for me as I don't really care what they think. I have some of these very people as 'friends' and they always ask why I collect, sorry have Seiko watches. They continue to show of their watches whose name they can't even pronounce. How these master watch makers make their own movements and how they are so creative, etc, etc, etc.
Well I just smile and agree. Little do they know these so called great artisans of watch making all start with the simple ETA movement when they started their trade and or training. They look down on the simple ETA movement or the basic 7s26 or even the Miyota 8125. I have an analogy for these people, they seems to think that there are students because there are teachers. The truth? There are teachers because there are students.
To be honest, its sad to say some people grade their own collection based on the money they paid. The more expensive the collction (lets say the artasan brand like MBF or titanic watch) the more valuable their collection. Remember the "dirt grade" and "no eye see grade" on another topic, some of ppl applied this principle.
I have a friend of mine who dad is a watch collector and he is wearing a omega seamaster bond (the one with 1120), He keep telling me about his dad collection very good & very easy to sell it off (I hate ppl who thing watch is for selling). When i show my fortis to him, his face was like "what the hell is this". He told me go get other brand watch as this watch (my fortis) has no value, I was like wtf :HammerHead:. I asked him if his dad had Lolex in his collection, I told him that lolex movement & watch are one of the simplest & easy to repair (robust). His answer is "Oh my family all dont like rolex, because it is overhype and its overpriced"... When he said this, I was again like Wtfed and like you said i just nod and agree with what he say because I too lazy to argue with him because he is the type of person who see the label on the dial of the watch and not other factor.
The Hobbit, I guess in the end of the day we should more concern about our satification of our own watch collection then other people watch because in the end of the day WE are the one who is wearing it and not the other people. For me i wear watch to "shiok sendiri" and satisfy myself lol :thumbsup: If other dont like or look down at our collection then like you said its their lost and their own problem. :thumbsup:
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Hobbit again..a nice set of seiko collections apart from the previous collection which you shared.
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The Hobbit, I guess in the end of the day we should more concern about our satification of our own watch collection then other people watch because in the end of the day WE are the one who is wearing it and not the other people. For me i wear watch to "shiok sendiri" and satisfy myself lol :thumbsup: If other dont like or look down at our collection then like you said its their lost and their own problem. :thumbsup:
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Hobbit again..a nice set of seiko collections apart from the previous collection which you shared.
Thank you.
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didnt know this thread got revived..hahaha!!
anyway, as TS, i hope i didnt offend anyone...
to be honest, the person i was talking about didnt sound offensive or intimidating. (i checked back what i wrote and i dont think i painted him that way too...)
I actually see him as nice and friendly, willing to strike up a conversation and talk to me, and even give me 2 free glossy magazines. I've came across people with a title, status and connections who are just plain arrogant. He have all 3 and looked friendly
Interestingly, there was an article on the paper 2-3 weeks ago on him and his passion for watches.
:Cheers:
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i think,
collecting watches is a hobby, whatever the intention is it, study watches, or show off or whatever, as long as you're happy with it, and then theres no wrong with you. as long as ur not hurting ppl in purpose or doing something bad to harm ppl.
forget bout what other thinks bout you or ur watches. come on we live for ourselves not for others. high end low end its all nice watches, sharing!!
theres nothing to do with how other thinks bout you its how you mind bout what ppl think bout u.
why so serious ppl
well, thats what i think and its just my opinion. sharing~ you may disagree it, just smile n be happy =)
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i think,
collecting watches is a hobby, whatever the intention is it, study watches, or show off or whatever, as long as you're happy with it, and then theres no wrong with you. as long as ur not hurting ppl in purpose or doing something bad to harm ppl.
forget bout what other thinks bout you or ur watches. come on we live for ourselves not for others. high end low end its all nice watches, sharing!!
theres nothing to do with how other thinks bout you its how you mind bout what ppl think bout u.
why so serious ppl
well, thats what i think and its just my opinion. sharing~ you may disagree it, just smile n be happy =)
I totally agree with you. That should be how every watch collector, lover, enthusiasts, WIS think.
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The one with 4 push button/crown look unusual, what is that?
Hobbit-I am curious about this one as well.
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The one with 4 push button/crown look unusual, what is that?
Hobbit-I am curious about this one as well.
The watch is a Seiko 7A28-7079 from the 7A28 series of chronograph. I got this watch sort of as a consolation prize as I could not get an actual military (British) issued 7A28. The crown is at the 8 o'clock position. The chronograph buttons are at the 2 o'clock (start/ stop), 4 o'clock (reset) and 10 o'clock (split). The 7A28 is unique as it is a 15 jewels quartz movement. I like it and am looking to get others in the series, especially the 7A28-7040.
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The one with 4 push button/crown look unusual, what is that?
Hobbit-I am curious about this one as well.
The watch is a Seiko 7A28-7079 from the 7A28 series of chronograph. I got this watch sort of as a consolation prize as I could not get an actual military (British) issued 7A28. The crown is at the 8 o'clock position. The chronograph buttons are at the 2 o'clock (start/ stop), 4 o'clock (reset) and 10 o'clock (split). The 7A28 is unique as it is a 15 jewels quartz movement. I like it and am looking to get others in the series, especially the 7A28-7040.
interesting.....these series are made in Japan?
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Not sure. It does say Japan on the dial. These watches are very old, but I like them.