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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: mnazri.tan on August 02, 2010, 02:53:28 PM
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i know a guy who own a Panerai. Obviously not me, as i am yet able to afford it....sigh......................
Nonetheless, he own the basic model PAM 111 (if i am not mistaken) he bought that as that is the most he can afford...(still very expensive for most of human being...)
But, now what make it interesting...He also own another 5 unit, high grade replica. One is the same model the other come from different model.At a glance, and multiple other glances and a good solid staring, it is a very good replica you cant find immediate fault... His justification
a) He dont want to walk around with his original PAM , fearing he might be robbed or snatched, - In the event it happen, he dont lose the original one.
b) He is very active, he dont want to spoil and scratch his original PAM
c) He want to wear PAM everyday, but he want his original to be always shinny and brand new.
However, he never declare that the replica as replica, neither claim it is original. He always talk about how much he spend on his 111, but never mention on his other watches. I found out the true story by accident.
So what is your view on his way. Smart or Fake ?
Obviously despite what we said, he is happy what what he been doing and see no harm on it.But i though this going to be fun subject to discuss with fellow member of MWF who share similar interest with me.
mnazri.tan
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Time As It Is...a crappy blog...on my interest..watches , watches and watches...so where does my wife stand in the rank???
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Honestly, might as well don't buy it (i mean the original) ::)
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i though so too...hehehhe
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watches are made to be worn.
i understand that some of us might be more careful with some timepieces that we have bought through our hard earned and saved money but to buy and not to wear it is akin to marrying the girl of your dreams and not "pro-creating" with her. :Laughing_on_floor:
i am a person who never babies my watches. I work as a "manual labourer" and i i've collected tons of dings, scratches and etc... on my watches from wearing it while working.
heartache only last 3 seconds...satisfaction is greater from having it strapped on my wrist together going through the trials, tribulations and mundanity of my daily life.
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So what is your view on his way. Smart or Fake ?
:shocked1: :Startled:
Just 2 share...was at a function officiated by a dato'. Was seated across from him during refreshment. Saw his striking watch and said " Very nice Hublot Dato'. Do u like the brand?". He looked a bit embarassed and later confessed he bought it for RM 500 during his last trip to China. Looked like a very good copy from afar :Laughing_on_floor:
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agreed with others, watch is meant to be worn, not to keep.
:Cheers:
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just 2 share my thoughts:
wear or not to wear...? d original?
well... me, definately d origial.... cuz i dont want 2 be caught with the wrong time when d replica heartbeat stop.
in d line of work i do, its always deadline 2 b met n time is money 2 me so i need d real thing 2 stay on track
its a passion 2 own a good watch, and its more of a satisfaction to wear d real thing and feel good with it (cant marry a pondan n claim its woman, lol, no offence)
just my 2 cents :Cheers:
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My thinking was similar to Scott's but then it is up to the individual. Like they said, whatever float one's boat! If that's make him happy, then so be it. How do we know he may keep his shinny watch just to molest it when he is at home! ;D
However, dings or minor scratches can be polished to its new shinny form again. It is a matter of the cost.
If one is active, then get the active type like G-Shock or sport watch like Glashutte Sport Evolution (where the watch still ticking if you slam it on a table). There is no need for him to do what he is doing.
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to me it is up to him to wear what he wants. the only thing is dont pass off the replica as an original piece. who dares to wear replica should be daring enough to own up to it. it doesnt matter whether he is smart or fake..it is a matter of 'gut'sy or not.
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well... me, definately d origial.... cuz i dont want 2 be caught with the wrong time when d replica heartbeat stop.
in d line of work i do, its always deadline 2 b met n time is money 2 me so i need d real thing 2 stay on track
There is no proof that a replica can't be as reliable nor accurate as the original. One of the high priced original failed me before! A BMW may not be more reliable than a Proton but Proton build quality is obviously much more teruk! That's not the key point though. ;D
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well... me, definately d origial.... cuz i dont want 2 be caught with the wrong time when d replica heartbeat stop.
in d line of work i do, its always deadline 2 b met n time is money 2 me so i need d real thing 2 stay on track
There is no proof that a replica can't be as reliable nor accurate as the original. One of the high priced original failed me before! A BMW may not be more reliable than a Proton but Proton build quality is obviously much more teruk! That's not the key point though. ;D
pay peanut, get monkey ;D that how d world goes around :police:
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Seriously though, mechanical watches are more jewelry than anything else. If you want reliable and accurate time instrument, there are many other devices and decent quartz watches that can do the job and some are really costing peanuts! ;D
This is the same question of whether one would wear a fake diamond or use a Grade A+ fake handbag.
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Seriously though, mechanical watches are more jewelry than anything else. If you want reliable and accurate time instrument, there are many other devices and decent quartz watches that can do the job and some are really costing peanuts! ;D
This is the same question of whether one would wear a fake diamond or use a Grade A+ fake handbag.
true, i agree. cant compare 2 quarts for accuracy.
so its between replica auto n original auto, so its an individual choice.
follow ur heart wat it tells u, just b a dare devil n wear a fake but tell people its d real thing, only u urself knows it.. right? (u know urself better than me)
lol :Cheers:
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Its common to have 2 identical watch – one original and the other one replica.
I have known well-to-do people have such watches. Not that they cannot afford the real McCoy. In fact they can afford one many times over.
Now these people who bought such a watch really love and pamper (baby) their time pcs – so mach that they buy 2 pcs at one go. One is a genuine and the other a fakes. Why?
Many whys…..lets take a look at the following scenario.
A regular chap who used to patronize the night life, say to those clubs / pubs and drank the night away. I am sure he is more comfortable wearing his identical fakes. I think most would have agreed with him. (The genuine one is safely parked at home). While he goes about drinking all night long and get drunk. Or one would face the situation on collection of his car some distant away on a late night. Or one would get into a brawl, who knows…if he loses his watch, no pain..mah.
But one would argued, wear a cheap watch to these, the problem is he did not like to wear a cheapy (remember he is loaded) and do not like to lose ‘face’. He will wear the same identical replica. (Nobody in his right mind would suspect him wearing a fakes). Not like people in his status. Do you for once believe…say a towkay wear a fakes. No / Yes??.
And he tells you straight, it’s a fake. But you never know when he wearing a fake or a genuine
Yes, these ‘towkay’ rotates his watches. Depending on which occasion he is going…..
And no, I am not promoting fakey here. But that the fact of life…
So, for those people whose is having the same wave length as the above is neither a fake nor abnormal. They are very much normal people just like you and me. And most of all, they are just like us who loves their watch good.
To each his / her own..
My 2 cents and my real experience.
dc
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My poor & humble opinion is that there are those that wear watches and there are those that collect them. I've got some that I don't wear, just to collect. I hope someday a doctor somewhere will find a cure for my illness. :P
But that's not the case with ur friend I guess. I do agree with David as I have friends who do the same. 1 Ori, 1 rep for the same reason. Dunno if anyone heard about a case near Souled Out Hartamas where a guy was walking to his car and was slashed by M.Rempits and they only took his Tag. Come to think of it, if it was a replica then lagi teruk. Getting slashed over a rep. :HammerHead:
Anyway, watches are a personal thing, rep or not. For me personally, if I think there is a risk (like I'd be walking in some dark back lanes), I'd wear a Seiko over a fake. Seikos r so affordable, can buy one for keeps and one for daily wear. ;D
As for Samajaya comments, I think u r thinking about low end Chinatown reps. There are high end reps with Swiss Movements costing 4 figures that comes with 2yrs warranty summore. :P But still, a rep is a rep.
:shocked1: :Startled:
Just 2 share...was at a function officiated by a dato'. Was seated across from him during refreshment. Saw his striking watch and said " Very nice Hublot Dato'. Do u like the brand?". He looked a bit embarassed and later confessed he bought it for RM 500 during his last trip to China. Looked like a very good copy from afar :Laughing_on_floor:
I once saw a S-Class pull up and the driver walk into a watch shop (more a watch accessories shop) and paid 2k+ cash for a Hublot w papers+box and all. The salesrep took the watch out of the box and started explaining to him about the movement, the sapphire crystal, etc. He then took a key and started scratching the watch to explain that it was resistant and was continuing until the driver stopped him. The driver didn't care about the details, he just came down there to collect the watch for the Datuk. The Datuk too malu to go down himself. :P
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possibility A
ppl buy the real pam111 just to let ppl know he got lui
but he is another stingy man who do not want to buy so expensive watch but yet he want face so buy 1 real pam111 to stop ppl from talking bout him no taste n bo lui
he do not know how to appreciate watches also, 2 watches look the same to him... so he rather wear the fake 1
possibility B
the pam 111 is meaningful to him... some sentimental value is there so he scare his pam111 get damage when he wear it
and he cant afford to buy another real pam, so he force to wear rep to remember the pam111 he owned
possibillity C
pam 111 obtained from a illegal source so he do not feel like exposing it too much.... but he like the pam111 design very much so buy a fake 1
possibility D
the real pam111 actually do not belong to him. he just borrowed and show to stop ppl from saying him wear a fake 1
possibility E
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what ever the reason is.... PLS DO NOT SUPPORT FAKE AND REPLICA if you like watches!
if you cant afford for a real pam then use your effort to make a homage one... no 1 will accuse you
if u cant make 1, get a expert to do it for you....
if you cant afford for a homage.... then forget bout pam....
there are so many design of watches.... you wont just love 1 only right?
seiko got thousands of design..... from rm150 onwards u can get an automatic watches as well....
so dont give yourself a chance to buy and support fake
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i am sorry but it's a very stupid reason to buy a replica.
if you know you'll be going to shady areas or indulge in drinking..wear something else. maybe a tag or g-shock.
it's no reason to get something illegal which wholly supports the triad and underworld gangs.
the watches maybe even made with child labour for all we know
why would u wanna profit anyone who gains from other ppl's misery?
just my 2 sen
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I think a fake is a NO NO for the obvious reasons and as per mentioned above and others.
If one is so afraid of wearing one's precious baby...then don't wear it la. Keep it as a safe queen if it makes one happy ;D
But pls don't wear the fake too la. I don't think it justify it :) One of the reasons and the MAIN one that is, why we indulge and spend so much on our baby... is to syiok sendiri.
And if one (who can afford it) wants a certain prestige to show off when he goes of partying etc..but is afraid to scratch his precious baby, then one should get those hard to scratch watches... like the Rolex GMT II (with ceramic bezel) ;D or a Sinn U series (made of tegimented submarine steel, but not as prestigious as a Rolex) ;D
;D :Cheers:
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rather interesting feedback from all with some divided comment. Some people understand why and some people simply dont agree..
Not only i know this guy, i also know another guy who been selling a so called super high grade replica.In which i would never in life put my money on it as the price is simply outrageous. It cost at around 2k for a so called good replica of ullyese nardin, rolex and hublot. Unbelievable that someone actually put their hard earn money , that much on something clearly a fake.
And to my surprise, he told me his client is neither a commoner like me. They are the VIP's , the who's who...and some underground riches, who names never appeared in public. Some of his client can afford (and even actually do it) buying an Alphard with cold hard cash...not cheque...seriously cash... and yet, they regularly purchase watch from this dude...sometime they bought it as a gift (so we wonder whether he genuinely ikhlas or not) sometime he get it for himself and similar to that guy i know, he rotated it with his original...
i havent reach that stage where i can afford a PAM...and later in life when i am able to do that, i dont know whether i would do the same as the guy above, but for now clearly i dont quite agree with what they do. Especially using a fake PAM and tell story about the original PAM they kept at home....Maybe i might get another one or two homage and be truth about it...
someone mention about that Dato wearing the hublot, at least he has the guts to admit that it is not the real deal....hehehehhehe
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I suspect that many people who bought high grade replicas are trying to project a certain image with the watch. They would not want to spend on the original to project this image because they are also money conscious. Only crazies like us are willing to plunge in RM30k-40k on a tiny STAINLESS STEEL mechnical watch! ;D
Their motivation is different from us. I wouldn't care about what image I project with my watches. I want to show off my watch to the world but they want to show off themselves to the world via the watches. Here is the difference.
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that is why the chinaman are smart! they only buy gold and not s/s :Laughing_on_floor:
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I suspect that many people who bought high grade replicas are trying to project a certain image with the watch. They would not want to spend on the original to project this image because they are also money conscious. Only crazies like us are willing to plunge in RM30k-40k on a tiny STAINLESS STEEL mechnical watch! ;D
I like this...we are crazy right ...hahah
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I suspect that many people who bought high grade replicas are trying to project a certain image with the watch. They would not want to spend on the original to project this image because they are also money conscious. Only crazies like us are willing to plunge in RM30k-40k on a tiny STAINLESS STEEL mechnical watch! ;D
I like this...we are crazy right ...hahah
Of course we are crazy ... the money I paid for the IWC is equivalent to 6 years of meals (3 times a day) for one person! ;D
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someone mention about that Dato wearing the hublot, at least he has the guts to admit that it is not the real deal....hehehehhehe
Probably he know I am a WIS la...
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Just out of curiosity...and it was not meant to brag, sombong , berlagak what so ever...
just wonder among us , what would be the most expensive watch ?...hehhehe
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Only crazies like us are willing to plunge in RM30k-40k on a tiny STAINLESS STEEL mechnical watch! ;D
Don't la drive it in pulak... :)
Anyway, 4 me I hv a personal limit on how much I wld pay 4 a watch. Above that sum,4 me u r already paying more for the branding and your personal connection/attraction to the brand rather than the watch/movement/complication/etc. But thats me, 2 each his own. Finance man la...always consider the $ and sen. And is definitely not 30-40k...envy you guys...
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Did I mention that at one time my accumulation of watches, its value is equivalent to x years of my annual salary? Yes I was crazy then, like most of us here. No known antidote to cure at that point of time. But surely and slowly, time has healed.
But as I look at it, I dared say I am still a recovering addicts and to redeem myself, I have to start a new life with less watches. Get a new lease of life by getting more sunshine and more passionate with other nice things in life.
Go for a nice holiday more often, indulge in good food, make a pledge to do things you never have done before, explore other new venture, etc, etc.
Yes, nowadays, not fully recovered, I (still) have passion and urge to indulge sound interest on watches but at controlled pace on its acquisitions.
My 2 cts.
dc
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Not only i know this guy, i also know another guy who been selling a so called super high grade replica.In which i would never in life put my money on it as the price is simply outrageous. It cost at around 2k for a so called good replica of ullyese nardin, rolex and hublot. Unbelievable that someone actually put their hard earn money , that much on something clearly a fake.
And to my surprise, he told me his client is neither a commoner like me. They are the VIP's , the who's who...and some underground riches, who names never appeared in public. Some of his client can afford (and even actually do it) buying an Alphard with cold hard cash...not cheque...seriously cash... and yet, they regularly purchase watch from this dude...sometime they bought it as a gift (so we wonder whether he genuinely ikhlas or not) sometime he get it for himself and similar to that guy i know, he rotated it with his original...
i havent reach that stage where i can afford a PAM...and later in life when i am able to do that, i dont know whether i would do the same as the guy above, but for now clearly i dont quite agree with what they do. Especially using a fake PAM and tell story about the original PAM they kept at home....Maybe i might get another one or two homage and be truth about it...
someone mention about that Dato wearing the hublot, at least he has the guts to admit that it is not the real deal....hehehehhehe
Those 2k high grade replicas are a major problem. I wanted to look at pre-owned PAM but bcoz these high end reps exist and I can't tell the difference, there's always the thought of being scammed. The same thing with buying one from the actual owner. How do you know if the person is selling the real thing since it comes with box+papers. Not that the owner is trying to cheat but he could have bought a high end rep without know it. So end up getting from AD which has its plus points as well in terms of affordability.
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Did I mention that at one time my accumulation of watches, its value is equivalent to x years of my annual salary? Yes I was crazy then, like most of us here. No known antidote to cure at that point of time. But surely and slowly, time has healed.
But as I look at it, I dared say I am still a recovering addicts and to redeem myself, I have to start a new life with less watches. Get a new lease of life by getting more sunshine and more passionate with other nice things in life.
Go for a nice holiday more often, indulge in good food, make a pledge to do things you never have done before, explore other new venture, etc, etc.
Yes, nowadays, not fully recovered, I (still) have passion and urge to indulge sound interest on watches but at controlled pace on its acquisitions.
My 2 cts.
dc
well said dc. :thumbsup:
every single word speak every single bit in my mind.
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I saw some ppl with a rolex gmt pepsi when i was waiting for someone. I told him "whoa nice rolex, can i have a look?" Then he let me see his watch, when i turn to the backcase i knew it is a fake one cause the backmarking was meant for the Sea-Dweller. Then the person told me it was gift from his dad, of cos i did not tell him it a fake and give him back the watch.
I also saw a fake panerai with a heartbeat (ala federique contant). :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Hmm in my opinion, i rather spend my $ on a seiko/G-shock then a high quality fake. I dont care ppl say I got no taste or what, so long I am happy with the watches :HammerHead:
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well.. some ppl buy watch just merely to fulfill their desire to show off on status.
hey, giving u a scenario... if u happen to see someone driving a C-class... did u dare to say the Rollie he wears is 100% ori? i don't think so... happen to know some... none of them wear genuine piece.
just solely my own view.. no offense to other tai kos... ok..
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2k for a replica watch...thats insane..i rather buy a "original"seiko!! what they want is the BRAND!! like many toyota owners like to switch the logo to Lexus..thats lame..
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2k for a replica watch...thats insane..i rather buy a "original"seiko!! what they want is the BRAND!! like many toyota owners like to switch the logo to Lexus..thats lame..
that reminds me of the "Wiralution" during my days :Laughing_on_floor:
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Guys, personally i do not support anyone to buy fake/replica at any reason...
Just be careful on the discussion, don't swing too far to favore fake/replica and I trust all our members are very well aware it's not "right" to support fake / replica in MWF :thumbsup:
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Hmm in my opinion, i rather spend my $ on a seiko/G-shock then a high quality fake. I dont care ppl say I got no taste or what, so long I am happy with the watches :HammerHead:
True dat brother! :thumbsup:
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Dear Scott..
Yes we do not support the fake industry.It is wrong in many level.
I think what we are doing here is purely admitting in reality, it happen..and purely discussing everyone opinion on this matter. I think we can summarize at least 70% against it...
I hope you dont see this as offensive. I think this type of discussion will help especially for the newbies, as sometime there are people who are not aware that buying fake is wrong. Reading comments like this create awareness but ultimately decision is on their hand, but at the very least we make people realize what is what and why is why...
just my 2 cents obviously :)
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I find it strange where some who keep the real and wear the fake most of the time. What's the point? It is not like the real watch value will appreciate with time. If you want to keep the watch as an investment why buy the fake? just buy the real and keep. I jsut don't understand the logic. like the saying, the money is not yours until u spent it. same goes with the watch.
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Dear Scott..
Yes we do not support the fake industry.It is wrong in many level.
I think what we are doing here is purely admitting in reality, it happen..and purely discussing everyone opinion on this matter. I think we can summarize at least 70% against it...
I hope you dont see this as offensive. I think this type of discussion will help especially for the newbies, as sometime there are people who are not aware that buying fake is wrong. Reading comments like this create awareness but ultimately decision is on their hand, but at the very least we make people realize what is what and why is why...
just my 2 cents obviously :)
Well said - mnazri. tan
Like the kung-fu master said, he has attained purity, that is, able to see ' The meaningful of life' / or the philosophy of master hood, and we as WIS able to differentiate 'right from wrong' on many points discussed on this subject issue.
Fakes are sometimes not all wrong. Take for example, Mona Lisa...You can see many replicas / duplicates / copies (read fake) master piece around the world. What do we see in them. These (replicas) master piece are there for all to enjoy viewing, when the real piece is in safe hand.
My 2 cts
dc
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2k for a replica watch...thats insane..i rather buy a "original"seiko!! what they want is the BRAND!! like many toyota owners like to switch the logo to Lexus..thats lame..
Whether we accept it or not, status and therefore being seen with the "right" brand is important to a lot of ppl...Drive merc/bmw(cannot buy fake :laugh:), live at upmarket house/condo ( oso kenot fake...) , wear branded watch/hand bag/etc ( unfortunately all these items are fake-able :Mad:...).
I don't condone fakes either,but I do know also a Seiko wld not be seen as the "right" brand to these ppl,unless they are WIS also...
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However come 2 think abt it...I remember Roman Abromovich Chelsea's Gazillion worth club owner only wearing an
"affordable"... I think its a Casio..
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However come 2 think abt it...I remember Roman Abromovich Chelsea's Gazillion worth club owner only wearing an
"affordable"... I think its a Casio..
Polar
LKS wears wears seiko
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It would be better for Lim Kit Siang to wear a Seiko rather than a rolex.
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It would be better for Lim Kit Siang to wear a Seiko rather than a rolex.
eh the LKS i am referring to is Asia Superman, Cheung Kong Holding's Chairman
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some are just not that into watches. watches are just a means of keeping time
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the moral of the story is that ppl who are uber rich also does not need fakes.
why should a plebian like us?
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can i assume this is generation gap??? my 60yo ex-boss drive a latest S-class but with fake rolex and his 36yo son drive a Porsche Caynne with genuine Daytona and Submariner.... some more the old man ask me why his son need a so powerful car? how fast he can drive in SG? SG express way max speed is 90km/h nia.... :Laughing_on_floor:
i dnt support Rep if you cant afford the real 1 thn you can go for homage...
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Obama the most powder-ful man in thw world oso non-Wis, now wear quartz Jorg Gray chrono( which I tot I saw newspaper ad in Star 2-3 wks ago...). B4 that Tag Heuer Aquaracer (quartz oso!!?).
Anybody has any idea wat our PM has on his wrist?
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Obama the most powder-ful man in thw world oso non-Wis, now wear quartz Jorg Gray chrono( which I tot I saw newspaper ad in Star 2-3 wks ago...). B4 that Tag Heuer Aquaracer (quartz oso!!?).
Anybody has any idea wat our PM has on his wrist?
our PM is a PAM fan....
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Obama the most powder-ful man in thw world oso non-Wis, now wear quartz Jorg Gray chrono( which I tot I saw newspaper ad in Star 2-3 wks ago...). B4 that Tag Heuer Aquaracer (quartz oso!!?).
Anybody has any idea wat our PM has on his wrist?
our PM is a PAM fan....
Most of the time I see him wearing this.
(http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news_images/79183_1.jpg)
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Borrowing from Oris slogan : real watches for real people.
Vice versa and following the logic: fake watches for fake people. :Laughing_on_floor:
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few years ago, i knew a guy who owns a ferrari ... and he used fake "branded" pen, belt, and watches,... but who would
question its authenticity ...
i think some of the well known people are not into watches/horology..for them, a watch is just to tell time...
like Mr. Li KS, Abramovich, Obama, G.Bush, Buffet, etc... nothing wrong with it...
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Polar
LKS wears wears seiko
i thought it was reported that he wears a Citizen?
(http://fooyoh.com/files/attach/images02/3004/311/313/015/likashing1.jpg)
http://www.fuyoh.com/menknowpause_lifestyle_living/15313311/youd-be-surprise-to-find-out-what-watch-billionaire-li-ka-shing-wears
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Only a madman would like us to be willing to put rm30k-40k in a small stainless steel mechanical watch!