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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: ViiiLaix on April 13, 2014, 07:48:55 PM
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Hi guys, been thinking recently about getting my first watch. Got 2 option in my mind, which is a pre-owned Rolex Pepsi in mint condition with box and papers around RM16-17K or a brand new Panerai 000 which is around 16K, both are almost in a range of price but a very different watch, one is automatic and another one is manual winding. Personally, i think pepsi rolex's feeling is more towards fashion and style and it's well recognised brand, meanwhile the pam give the masculine and mature feeling. Ps: i only plan to buy 1 watch to keep for long time, no plan to sell in near future. What do you shifts think ?
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what do you guys think ?
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So do you prefer well-recognised or masculine & mature? New or used?
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i like both of those, in dilemma,
on one side, rolex pepsi si more sought after but if i get the pam 000, i have plan to dlc coated it in future
that's why asking for sifu opinion,..
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Pepsi
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Rolex all the way :thumbsup:
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Rollie :thumbsup:
thou shall never go wrong with Rollie.
Although I'm a Panerai freak :Cheers:
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thanks guys
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As the first and only daily beater watch, I suggest the rolex, classic
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Rolex!
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You said you would keep one watch for long time. Then, that one is no other than Rolex.
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Get the pepsi home and drink it. Get any base Pam later or if you can get both now, and forget about the dlc thing it will come off overtime or when scratch.regards tony
i like both of those, in dilemma,
on one side, rolex pepsi si more sought after but if i get the pam 000, i have plan to dlc coated it in future
that's why asking for sifu opinion,..
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I'm always into brand new - the virgin feel - ;D Go for the PAM
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Since you intend to keep this 1st purchase for a longgg time (Don't we all? But then another piece almost always pops up on the radar! :Laughing_on_floor:), I would say to go with the Rollie. The Pepsi is iconic, attracts attention, lets people know that you have taste (well, PAM too but maybe somewhat different market), could be flipped off relatively easily, and the first owner would have absorbed most of the depreciation. Sounds like a good proposition to me. Good luck with your decision! :thumbsup:
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If you are comfortable with a pre-owned, the Pepsi is a good choice. Seems like there are always people looking for this model. Is it the GMT II (16710) or the GMT (16700)?
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Rolex. :thumbsup:
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No different. Sooner you will add on pce by pce.
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I agree with most of the sifus here... Rolex first and then others.
However, I got my PAM 000 before my Rolex Explorer II. Then again the game will never ends, it starts with your very 1st one.
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It really depends, like you I had this dilemma too. Now I have both the PAM 000 and (albeit) a GMT2c LN
I went the other route, bought the PAM used then bought the GMT new.
IMO the PAM is more versatile because you can change straps to give it a new and fresh look, also if you were to buy a new PAM 0 the first thing you would probably do is get an aftermarket strap. So if you are buying to use for different occasions and want a watch that can spot a different look on the fly go for the PAM.
The GMT on the other hand is a great watch, love it to bits. Although being a SS watch it's bound to have scratches, if you find a mint one it's probably been polished before. For Pepsi I would vote for vintage, maybe a 1675 unpolished would be best. If you are thinking of getting one watch and only one watch for the rest of your life ( ???) then... Rolex.
pix for poison! :Cheers:
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Rolex of course.
Pepsi
WG Pepsi for that warm yellow tinge! :thumbsup:
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Rolex without any doubt .... you can always pick up a PAM along the way if you wish to make further inroads to your watch collection journey
Since you are into GMT Pepsi, why not GMT Batman .... spend a little more buy new - you only live once, indulge yourself, pamper youself :thumbsup:
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Since this is your 1st watch, I would suggest you go for Pam coz it is brand new. 000 may be discontinued with Panerai new 8 day movement. Grab it brand new when it is still available. I believe it is easier to get rollie pepsi than 000. I like my 000, it is a very cool watch and you won't go wrong with Panerai base models.
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Besides the difference in movement, do take note that 1 is with date (and GMT function) and another 1 is super basic (not even a second hand). Function wise is a big big thing to be considered if it is your first and keep-for-long watch.
If you are comparing PAM 000 with Submariner, I will say Submariner.
But since comparing with GMT Pepsi, think that you should get PAM 000, but a pre-owned 1.
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Brand new PAM 000 for me.
Used Pepsis are pretty common and can be bought at later stage.
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I was in same situation...
If you're pretty sure its going to be one and only one, the Rolex Pepsi GMT will be my choice...its arguably the most iconic Rolex watch (of course you'll hear the same arguments from sub, sea-dweller, daytona and even DJ owners... ;D)
but if its a matter of which to get first, then i agree with the earlier posts. The Pepsi is not that difficult to find. IF you can find a zero with a decent price, its a wonderful piece.
all the best, and do tell us the outcome.
oh yes, supposed to make it easier for you to choose...
some old wrist shot
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i would say get a pre-own pam, but 111 or 005 with second hand
and then u will have some fund left for the pepsi in future
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Entry level pams mostly are winding, and the rolex is automatic which are very reliable. So for an everyday watch, you might what the rolex ?
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I used to own 3 pams, both radiomir n luminor. I hav sold them all off over the years but still hav 3 rollies today. So Rolex all the way - there is just something about Rolex that is intangible n cannot be described by words. :)
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Thank you sifuus, learn a lot for you all, I think i'll go for a rollie
i think, for my first watch should get a new one,.. Feel the virginity :mooning:
Is there any possibilities that rolex gonna make the new gmt master 2 in the steel version,..?
If not then maybe i'll go for the batman or hulk, but the market demand for batman is rocketing, they all charging a premium price than the actual one
Might keep it slow for the trends to go down, then only buy, LOL ;)
hahaha
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aiyah must be lolek one mah
like that only klass mah
;D
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Thank you sifuus, learn a lot for you all, I think i'll go for a rollie
i think, for my first watch should get a new one,.. Feel the virginity :mooning:
Is there any possibilities that rolex gonna make the new gmt master 2 in the steel version,..?
If not then maybe i'll go for the batman or hulk, but the market demand for batman is rocketing, they all charging a premium price than the actual one
Might keep it slow for the trends to go down, then only buy, LOL ;)
hahaha
Actually, for a first one, a good pre-own is better. You're gonna screw up and it's better or less painful with a used one. Later when you're an expert, a virgin one will be good and you'll be much more experienced at handling it.
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none of the above... far too many, like asking to buy a merc or beemer... nothing wrong but why not an aston martin? go against the grain... be a man! or more appropriately, be your own man... just my 2 cents that is not much of value anyway...
some lovely zeniths are in that price range... just a suggestion... the more you search, the more aware you are of your options... but believe you will find the piece that floats your boat, even if it is a Rollie or Pam! :Cheers:
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Cannt recall since when..already keep in my mind that my first luxury watch shall be a rolex then only aim for the iconic watch.
Used to target after got the rolex sub, going to collect all the iconic watch such as omega speedmaster, cartier tank, AP RO, Patek Nautilus, tag Monaco..
but now, feel abit reluctant to go for especially tag Monaco & cartier tank.. :P
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Actually, for a first one, a good pre-own is better. You're gonna screw up and it's better or less painful with a used one. Later when you're an expert, a virgin one will be good and you'll be much more experienced at handling it.
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Hmmmm.... sounds like a father teaching his son how to be an "experience adult"
;D
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Actually, for a first one, a good pre-own is better. You're gonna screw up and it's better or less painful with a used one. Later when you're an expert, a virgin one will be good and you'll be much more experienced at handling it.
Hmmmm.... sounds like a father teaching his son how to be an "experience adult"
;D
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Ahhh... you can spot the innuendo... you must be a parent too!
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Btwn PAM and rolex, I'll hav to choose the rollie. The reason is simply its more recognisable luxury brand. I have a tag monaco and maurice masterpiece squellete but no one knows it. Then an uncle suddenly got a small rolex and everyone went 'WAH WAH WAH'.. :Mad:
Its like getting a mercs/bmw or lexus. Ppl stare at your 3-pointed star badge then comment what the hacks is the bagde L? Surely doesn't help when some ah bengs swapped the Vios/Camry toyotas into the Lexus badge.
But but but...its how well u feel connected to the watch thats more important. I was really losing much sleep until i get the monaco n squellete watch. Much like poison in the mind. I think most of mwf fellas can attest to this. Hehe... Btw, i am not a fan of PAM so my judgement may be biassed.
(ironically, i also drove a lexus..)
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If you're planning to get a daily beater, go for the Pepsi!
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Btwn PAM and rolex, I'll hav to choose the rollie. The reason is simply its more recognisable luxury brand. I have a tag monaco and maurice masterpiece squellete but no one knows it. Then an uncle suddenly got a small rolex and everyone went 'WAH WAH WAH'.. :Mad:
Its like getting a mercs/bmw or lexus. Ppl stare at your 3-pointed star badge then comment what the hacks is the bagde L? Surely doesn't help when some ah bengs swapped the Vios/Camry toyotas into the Lexus badge.
But but but...its how well u feel connected to the watch thats more important. I was really losing much sleep until i get the monaco n squellete watch. Much like poison in the mind. I think most of mwf fellas can attest to this. Hehe... Btw, i am not a fan of PAM so my judgement may be biassed.
(ironically, i also drove a lexus..)
Are you a singaporean in disguise? :Laughing_on_floor:
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Btwn PAM and rolex, I'll hav to choose the rollie. The reason is simply its more recognisable luxury brand. I have a tag monaco and maurice masterpiece squellete but no one knows it. Then an uncle suddenly got a small rolex and everyone went 'WAH WAH WAH'.. :Mad:
Its like getting a mercs/bmw or lexus. Ppl stare at your 3-pointed star badge then comment what the hacks is the bagde L? Surely doesn't help when some ah bengs swapped the Vios/Camry toyotas into the Lexus badge.
But but but...its how well u feel connected to the watch thats more important. I was really losing much sleep until i get the monaco n squellete watch. Much like poison in the mind. I think most of mwf fellas can attest to this. Hehe... Btw, i am not a fan of PAM so my judgement may be biassed.
(ironically, i also drove a lexus..)
Are you a singaporean in disguise? :Laughing_on_floor:
Saya berasal dari kuala lumpur. :Confused:
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Rolex
It's a good choice and actually a great 2nd is a good start. That's what I did and now looking at the PAM but they are a bit big for me, so my other options are a Daytona or Speedmaster haha, in the end I have this feeling it will be the former :p
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Hi guys, been thinking recently about getting my first watch. Got 2 option in my mind, which is a pre-owned Rolex Pepsi in mint condition with box and papers around RM16-17K or a brand new Panerai 000 which is around 16K, both are almost in a range of price but a very different watch, one is automatic and another one is manual winding. Personally, i think pepsi rolex's feeling is more towards fashion and style and it's well recognised brand, meanwhile the pam give the masculine and mature feeling. Ps: i only plan to buy 1 watch to keep for long time, no plan to sell in near future. What do you shifts think ?
Strongly suggest a pre-owned GMT Master II Ceramic.
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GMT Master II either coke or Pepsi will be my choice.
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either one is ok.
choose the look first ! date, time, gmt.... ur mobile phone have it all !
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Rollie la more versatile
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go for rollie la.....then only pam ... you'' end up being more of an automatic person than anything else. .... on a side note..i have a pam 000 for sale ..if you want....i can sell it to you ..haha
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Rolex for the first premium watch.. and many just go for a second one. The new Pepsi Ceramic in WG costs more than RM100k, beyond the reach of many!
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go for what you see in your dream :D
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Which are the reliable ADs in the Klang Valley that can offer competitive price for Rolex watches?
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Which are the reliable ADs in the Klang Valley that can offer competitive price for Rolex watches?
AD prices are all fixed. Discount also more or less the same. Differences are minimal. Pick one that makes you happy.
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to me, rollie is like the bones to watch collectors, first you must have bone, then the flesh - Panny.
i need bones to stood up, and flesh to look good.
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to me, rollie is like the bones to watch collectors, first you must have bone, then the flesh - Panny.
i need bones to stood up, and flesh to look good.
This is one interesting analogy of flesh and bone.......
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u will have more fun to wear a panerai, because of the strap changing, feel fresh when u wear different strap every day. and all model r limited, some special edition will in value in the future
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yes, super lots and many straps to buy until if may cost at least half of your watch value. If not careful maybe you can buy another watch with your entire strap collection and it doenst end cause so many new accesories worldwide. Go check out the strap suppliers list in paneristi.com and you will understand why.
can't beat the feeling and watch feels like new everytime with new strap.
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I was in the same dilemma as you were about 9months ago. Roles or panerai?
I would say GO FOR PANERAI... I drop the Rolex and gotten a panerai instead. Never have looked back. Now I only looked at other brands eg BR, IWC, JLC but never at Rolex even for once if I need to fork out my $$$ to get a watch. If free, then it's a different stories.
Go for panerai... So many straps to change... Since I gotten my PAM104 in January 2014, I hv gotten not less than 7 different straps.... Go figure why I hv that many straps...
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seems like we r poisoned by the strap at the end but not the watch. :Laughing_on_floor:
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That is why some people categorize Panerai as a "fashion" watch. ;D
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Hi Watch Snob,
Can you list your ratings for high-end watch brands from best to worst? I'm guessing Patek Philippe and A. Lange & Sohne would be best, but I’m curious about the rest of the list and where you would rank Rolex.
Thanks,
Robert
This is a loaded question and one that deserves a lengthy answer. I cannot — and will not — give you a shortsighted, quick response, because I know it will be taken out of context, which will just mean more plebeian, misinformed, angry, and borderline racist e-mails from you (I’m looking at you, Panerai guy).
The “best” is a relative term. Patek Philippe is the best mainstream watch company in terms of lasting value, history and tradition. A. Lange & Sohne is the best newer watch company in the same vein as Patek, that isn’t Patek. Armin Strom ain’t bad either.
Thomas Prescher and Greubel Forsey are the best makers of tourbillons in the world. Urwerk and MB&F are the best makers of mechanical art. FP Journe and Philippe Dufour are the best “Masters of the Universe” timepieces that won’t get you knifed because no one knows what they are, or that they cost more than a Tribeca loft.
There are plenty of brands that most people consider “high-end” that, while I respect, simply aren’t superlative in any way: IWC, Vacheron, Piaget, and Zenith all make nice watches, but they are meaningless.
Then there are watches that only the uneducated and simpleminded believe to be luxury watches. This distinction goes to Hublot and Panerai, of course. Anyone who buys these watches is a fool, and both companies will shut their doors before I turn 40 — you can count on that.
Then there is the mighty Rolex. Would I put Rolex up with Patek or A Lange & Sohne? Not for a second. But, do I consider it a very important step above IWC, Zenith and even Vacheron? Most certainly. The reason is this: People care about Rolex; nobody really cares about those other brands. There are dedicated forums to Rolex, get-togethers, books, you name it. When was the last time you saw a Vacheron event or a book about IWC that people actually bought? Sure, their movement may be in slightly better shape than your average Rolex (debatable, surely), but in 20 years, your Rolex will be worth something — and everything else will be scrap metal.
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Hi Watch Snob,
Can you list your ratings for high-end watch brands from best to worst? I'm guessing Patek Philippe and A. Lange & Sohne would be best, but I’m curious about the rest of the list and where you would rank Rolex.
Thanks,
Robert
This is a loaded question and one that deserves a lengthy answer. I cannot — and will not — give you a shortsighted, quick response, because I know it will be taken out of context, which will just mean more plebeian, misinformed, angry, and borderline racist e-mails from you (I’m looking at you, Panerai guy).
The “best” is a relative term. Patek Philippe is the best mainstream watch company in terms of lasting value, history and tradition. A. Lange & Sohne is the best newer watch company in the same vein as Patek, that isn’t Patek. Armin Strom ain’t bad either.
Thomas Prescher and Greubel Forsey are the best makers of tourbillons in the world. Urwerk and MB&F are the best makers of mechanical art. FP Journe and Philippe Dufour are the best “Masters of the Universe” timepieces that won’t get you knifed because no one knows what they are, or that they cost more than a Tribeca loft.
There are plenty of brands that most people consider “high-end” that, while I respect, simply aren’t superlative in any way: IWC, Vacheron, Piaget, and Zenith all make nice watches, but they are meaningless.
Then there are watches that only the uneducated and simpleminded believe to be luxury watches. This distinction goes to Hublot and Panerai, of course. Anyone who buys these watches is a fool, and both companies will shut their doors before I turn 40 — you can count on that.
Then there is the mighty Rolex. Would I put Rolex up with Patek or A Lange & Sohne? Not for a second. But, do I consider it a very important step above IWC, Zenith and even Vacheron? Most certainly. The reason is this: People care about Rolex; nobody really cares about those other brands. There are dedicated forums to Rolex, get-togethers, books, you name it. When was the last time you saw a Vacheron event or a book about IWC that people actually bought? Sure, their movement may be in slightly better shape than your average Rolex (debatable, surely), but in 20 years, your Rolex will be worth something — and everything else will be scrap metal.
actually how many watces we all wear not for fashion?
Rolex making millions and millions of its diamond and bling bliing watches !
the signature fluted bezel on the most famous and best selling watches on earth, yeah.... the Datejust
is meant to be bling and shine at all angle of lights !
Panerai and hublot for fools? i wasnt sure about the writer intention... and whether he know? the vintage panerai deal price is skyrocketing in auction center. the buyer are all fool? earlier modern production of panerai, prototype pieces all price went up crazily...
does he know vintage patek price was high, 1 main reason is patek is the most active party in auction center? paying higher and higher price for its vintage piece, get back to put at museum.
their budget in marketing all concentrate in auction
while rolex budget in marketing all into advertisement, they present everywhere, no change in watch design !
panerai success.... was also due to its association to Rolex, vintage rolex collector is into auction market as well for vintage panerai!
anonimo, ennebi..... all associated with panerai also making their mark
hundreds of brand is trying to copy Panerai success! big watch, bold and strong DNA design...
when is he going to turn 40?
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Actually I think he made peace with Panerai . They sent him a Radiomir to review and he said it was not bad.
Actually I dunno why people are so concerned about whether other people will recognize the watch they're wearing. If you really wanna impress normal people, just stick a wad of cash on your wrist or wear your bank book around your neck.
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Actually I think he made peace with Panerai . They sent him a Radiomir to review and he said it was not bad.
Actually I dunno why people are so concerned about whether other people will recognize the watch they're wearing. If you really wanna impress normal people, just stick a wad of cash on your wrist or wear your bank book around your neck.
if not mistaken, he said the radiomir is bearable cos he doesnt like the 'malignant growth' that is the crown guard on the luminor.
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Actually I think he made peace with Panerai . They sent him a Radiomir to review and he said it was not bad.
Actually I dunno why people are so concerned about whether other people will recognize the watch they're wearing. If you really wanna impress normal people, just stick a wad of cash on your wrist or wear your bank book around your neck.
if not mistaken, he said the radiomir is bearable cos he doesnt like the 'malignant growth' that is the crown guard on the luminor.
Yeah that too,, haha
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Always go with the Rolex for the 1st precious watch...
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Hi guys, been thinking recently about getting my first watch. Got 2 option in my mind, which is a pre-owned Rolex Pepsi in mint condition with box and papers around RM16-17K or a brand new Panerai 000 which is around 16K, both are almost in a range of price but a very different watch, one is automatic and another one is manual winding. Personally, i think pepsi rolex's feeling is more towards fashion and style and it's well recognised brand, meanwhile the pam give the masculine and mature feeling. Ps: i only plan to buy 1 watch to keep for long time, no plan to sell in near future. What do you shifts think ?
Panerai Luminor marina models for a start I think, other additional features like 1950 casing, GMT & power reserve are also in good demand