Around 10k, for tudor u can get new black bay from AD, but u have to nego hard coz most AD does not give any discount on tudor now, if got only 5% (coz rolex sister's company, they trying to use same approach as rolex). Try tag, they recently released aquaracer with ceramic bezel, quite a beu..or oris (u can get good quality with good bargain). Ball also has a few good choices
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