Post by: Yinghao on February 04, 2013, 08:30:22 AM
Im new here, i planning to buy my 1st swiss watch, my budget less than 6k. i have no idea which brand is better.
after i meet Mr. David at 1Mont Kiara, he advise me oris or ball is a good start (thank for the sharing & advise me ) :) ,
and now i got few models in my mind
ORIS
-Oris TT1 Day Date
-Oris Artelier Skeleton
BALL
-Ball Engineer Hydrocarbon
-Ball Fireman
or any other brand or model is under my budget? need some advise from sifu2 MWF.
ps:Please PM me if got any recommended shop can get more discount in Klang Valley, TQ :Cheers:
Thank MWF!
Post by: ck77 on February 04, 2013, 08:52:34 AM
Both also a decent brand and good quality watch.
Oris has a rich history (if you care).
But if you want long lasting lume, go for Ball.
Post by: takashi78 on February 04, 2013, 09:00:07 AM
But its a big and heavy watch.
Post by: erman on February 04, 2013, 09:05:38 AM
Reading on your post brought back memories of my previous dilemma. Based on ur list, our taste not much different either..
At the end of the day, as most sifus here would suggest, go with what you feel is right.
I picked up an Oris BC3 and am loving it.. hehe
Post by: JeffNg on February 04, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
Post by: David_cheong on February 04, 2013, 09:46:35 AM
My pleasure meeting you the other day.
Careful, this is a poison about to release in you. Like the other member said, you will never stop once you get your first mechanical watch.
Good luck.
dc
Post by: rnsm1979 on February 04, 2013, 10:07:25 AM
also i think this is more than 6 K for a new one, pre-own should be below that, try around mwf pre-own page, might found 1
the rest should be inside the budget
Post by: Yinghao on February 04, 2013, 11:30:48 AM
haha so fast got so many poison d :P
i really like the Ball Engineer Hydrocarbon but out budget.. :(
got 1 model Ball DL2016B-SCAJ-BK, Case diameter 36mm will too small?
if i filter to this 2 model which 1 u guys prefer?? why?
(http://littletreasury.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/800x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/n/m/nm3098c-p1j-bk.jpg)
(http://www.stream-field.com/images/735.7651.4764.RB.jpg)
Post by: ck77 on February 04, 2013, 11:42:44 AM
Post by: Calibr on February 04, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
I'll go for Ball for the lume :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: Between the 2, the Ball's lume stands out.
Post by: shamtv2555 on February 04, 2013, 12:03:26 PM
Post by: Yikkie on February 04, 2013, 12:12:29 PM
Post by: Brutal on February 04, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
choice between Oris Skeleton & Ball Fireman...
The night before the purchase, I drove along a dark road...saw my seiko's illumination and my mind started to imagine "if" the new watch is on my wrist...
and of course, due to the "lume imagination", I end up with a fireman on the next day...
but both are nice and beautiful watch...
Post by: Yinghao on February 04, 2013, 12:58:05 PM
BALL Fireman :Automatic caliber ETA 2824-2 (i cant find the detail...)
Oris TT1 Day Date :
Dimensions: Ø 25.60 mm, 11 1/2’’’
Functions: Centre hands for hours, minutes and seconds, individual date and day windows,
instantaneous date and day, date and day corrector, fine timing device and stop-second
Winding: Automatic winding, bi-directionally rotating red rotor
Power-Reserve: 38 hrs
Vibrations: 28’800 A/h, 4 Hz
Jewels: 26
Post by: rnsm1979 on February 04, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
but end of the day, you should go to try it out and see which one match you the most
Post by: Yinghao on February 04, 2013, 01:08:32 PM
maybe you can try ball engineered diver II, around 42 mm, and is inside your budget
but end of the day, you should go to try it out and see which one match you the most
Thank for ur opinion, is a good option too :)
may i know what is the market price nw?
Post by: squasub on February 04, 2013, 01:10:49 PM
Classic diver design
Post by: rnsm1979 on February 04, 2013, 02:03:27 PM
Post by: Yinghao on February 04, 2013, 02:08:51 PM
Sorry, should not discuss the price here, msg me if u need the actual price I get mine last year
Sorry dunno bout that. pls pm me if can.
TQ
:Cheers:
Post by: Taga on February 04, 2013, 03:39:49 PM
got 1 model Ball DL2016B-SCAJ-BK, Case diameter 36mm will too small?
What is your wrist size? It is subjective really, some like it big and some don't.
Photo for your reference. Ball Fireman II, 42mm on 6.8" wrist.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8047/8102364897_47cc5cd3b7_z.jpg)
This is among the cheapest Ball out there. With your budget of RM6k, you can get this and also another Oris. Now, you no need to choose.. :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana: :Dancing_banana:
Post by: lowengen on February 04, 2013, 03:56:27 PM
Lol.... howrver, more importantly is whichever that sings to u....
Try looking at Ball Engineer II Arabic Chronometer.... nice lume and price wise.... around ur budget
Post by: dav-3873 on February 04, 2013, 05:03:11 PM
Ball for me if vs Oris for entry level as it is more iconic w it's lume :thumbsup:
Post by: jacky8888 on February 04, 2013, 05:38:06 PM
Tritium
Antimagnetic
Shock resistant
And its damn bloody cool...... :thumbsup:
Post by: steveting on February 04, 2013, 06:46:47 PM
Post by: STT1987 on February 04, 2013, 07:35:09 PM
Thats another vote for Ball.
PS:
Oris now. I've reconsidered my position I guess.
Post by: IWCking on February 04, 2013, 08:55:31 PM
Post by: RaymondT on February 04, 2013, 10:10:12 PM
I use it casual n work , easy to match what u wear
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/CD6E382A-8EB3-4824-B20F-C1C93A79F82E-2187-00000264A0AE8CD4.jpg)
Post by: STT1987 on February 05, 2013, 01:28:03 AM
I will pick Oris. thats a truly swiss owned swiss watch. Also, ball's maintenance will be problematic. the lume will die out after few years. i think replacing them may cost a bomb. Current HK owner of Ball is doing very good marketing in asia. Btw an american brand currently owned by HK and an authentic swiss brand, my choice is quite straight forward. Especially so if this is my first swiss. If you fancy that kind of lume, buy Luminox which cost not even 20% of a normal ball. But i have to declare that i am minority here.From what I gather, Ball likes to claim to be several things. A defunct American brand with some history, now a Swiss manufactured brand with nominal American management owned by a HK company. Interesting. The glow on the H3 tubes Ball uses is supposed to last 25 years if you can believe the press releases. On the other hand, the regular lume on Swiss watches are also time limited. I have a 1990 TAG Heuer quartz and a 1999 Breitling SuperOcean; both lumes are nearly gone - hardly see it in the dark even after fully exposed in the sun for a while.
You are right though, if all you really want is the H3 glow, Luminox quartz is the way to go.
Post by: felixlew on February 05, 2013, 06:15:08 AM
hahaha poison time
Post by: Yinghao on February 05, 2013, 07:27:58 AM
Go for ball , no regret . Hardy n value for $$$Nice Ball! ;D may i know what is the model?
I use it casual n work , easy to match what u wear
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/CD6E382A-8EB3-4824-B20F-C1C93A79F82E-2187-00000264A0AE8CD4.jpg)
haha so many ball's poison around here.
Post by: grifterfmj on February 05, 2013, 02:49:52 PM
Ball!
Post by: RaymondT on February 05, 2013, 03:23:06 PM
Go for ball , no regret . Hardy n value for $$$Nice Ball! ;D may i know what is the model?
I use it casual n work , easy to match what u wear
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/CD6E382A-8EB3-4824-B20F-C1C93A79F82E-2187-00000264A0AE8CD4.jpg)
This is an engineer master diver 2 :)
haha so many ball's poison around here.
Post by: IWCking on February 05, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
I will pick Oris. thats a truly swiss owned swiss watch. Also, ball's maintenance will be problematic. the lume will die out after few years. i think replacing them may cost a bomb. Current HK owner of Ball is doing very good marketing in asia. Btw an american brand currently owned by HK and an authentic swiss brand, my choice is quite straight forward. Especially so if this is my first swiss. If you fancy that kind of lume, buy Luminox which cost not even 20% of a normal ball. But i have to declare that i am minority here.From what I gather, Ball likes to claim to be several things. A defunct American brand with some history, now a Swiss manufactured brand with nominal American management owned by a HK company. Interesting. The glow on the H3 tubes Ball uses is supposed to last 25 years if you can believe the press releases. On the other hand, the regular lume on Swiss watches are also time limited. I have a 1990 TAG Heuer quartz and a 1999 Breitling SuperOcean; both lumes are nearly gone - hardly see it in the dark even after fully exposed in the sun for a while.
You are right though, if all you really want is the H3 glow, Luminox quartz is the way to go.
I never have any ball. But heard someone mentioned that the lume will slowly faded away after few years. 25 years is just marketing gimmick. It will be good to have some clarification or confirmation from ball owner. But i have to say their design looks good, for what its worth. ;D
Post by: chrisyen on February 05, 2013, 10:23:38 PM
I will pick Oris. thats a truly swiss owned swiss watch. Also, ball's maintenance will be problematic. the lume will die out after few years. i think replacing them may cost a bomb. Current HK owner of Ball is doing very good marketing in asia. Btw an american brand currently owned by HK and an authentic swiss brand, my choice is quite straight forward. Especially so if this is my first swiss. If you fancy that kind of lume, buy Luminox which cost not even 20% of a normal ball. But i have to declare that i am minority here.From what I gather, Ball likes to claim to be several things. A defunct American brand with some history, now a Swiss manufactured brand with nominal American management owned by a HK company. Interesting. The glow on the H3 tubes Ball uses is supposed to last 25 years if you can believe the press releases. On the other hand, the regular lume on Swiss watches are also time limited. I have a 1990 TAG Heuer quartz and a 1999 Breitling SuperOcean; both lumes are nearly gone - hardly see it in the dark even after fully exposed in the sun for a while.
You are right though, if all you really want is the H3 glow, Luminox quartz is the way to go.
I never have any ball. But heard someone mentioned that the lume will slowly faded away after few years. 25 years is just marketing gimmick. It will be good to have some clarification or confirmation from ball owner. But i have to say their design looks good, for what its worth. ;D
Tritium is radioactive, its half life is 12.5yrs
It means its light will go dim after 12.5 yrs of it was made... Then till yr 25, it will be complete dark
No gimmick...
U shd try it!!!
Post by: STT1987 on February 06, 2013, 12:39:49 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life)
I think the limitation of the H3 glass vials used in the Ball watches are the phosphorescent coating (the actual glowing component in the tubes). These thing just lose their lume over time. I have 20 year old watches that have virtually no lume at all.
How old are the oldest Ball watches with H3 tubes? Not much more than 10 years is my guess. Any owners of the early H3 glow tube watches care to comment on their glow now compared to when new?
Post by: Timeless on February 08, 2013, 08:56:03 AM
Fireman DLC glow will be the ultimate choice if your budget can increase another 1-2k
Post by: amir1218 on February 09, 2013, 12:54:51 PM
For me I would go for the Oris skeleton.
But then again its up to you.
Maybe you should find a store that has both brands and compare them side by side as the Ball qnd Oris design are very different.
Post by: khorkahyong on February 13, 2013, 07:07:15 PM
anyway, if u dont mind, can u PM me whats the best price u get in KL? It's about £1400 here in UK.
Post by: mr.jim on February 15, 2013, 09:47:08 AM
Post by: Yoda on February 15, 2013, 11:24:30 AM
Post by: boeid on February 20, 2013, 11:50:25 AM
+1 for Ball Engineer II series.... Solid, versatile and great value. However I was told that the red label series was hard to find when I was hunting around for the GMT piece recently.
Ball for me if vs Oris for entry level as it is more iconic w it's lume :thumbsup:
dav,
care to advise where I can find the red label (43mm) coz am looking for one too (initially was thinking of ionosphere but a bit too bulky to my liking).
I own both Racer DLC and Artix Date and somewhat like the Ball a bit more (though not so fond of its rubber strap). In term of lumes, the Artix's is quite comparable to those in the Racer.
Post by: nusraza on February 23, 2013, 12:49:55 AM
Post by: Yoda on February 23, 2013, 07:49:21 AM
Decide a cut off date and count how many vote for Ball and how many for Oris then pull the trigger do not prolong your suffering
How about that?
Cheers
Post by: kicksology on April 06, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
Post by: roystock on April 07, 2013, 10:44:27 AM
My first automatic watch is a Ball Fireman DLC.
It was a lovely watch (especially when viewed at night).
Post by: ivanpei on April 09, 2013, 09:29:45 AM
Big blingy divers you can always get in the future like the Seamaster/PO or the Sub.
Post by: sinbad2k on April 09, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Post by: nasa on April 09, 2013, 10:27:40 PM
(http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b636/nasa299/my%20watches/BallStormchaser_zps27e9161c.jpg)
However..To find a seller might be a problem though..Happy hunting... :Dancing_banana:
Post by: nasa on April 10, 2013, 01:58:59 AM
Post by: ckk125 on April 10, 2013, 09:38:53 AM
oris for me any day...but ball and oris are 2 very different watch design. to each his own
Post by: stevehenrry on April 10, 2013, 03:28:59 PM
Post by: sinbad2k on April 10, 2013, 08:20:06 PM
Sinbad2k..When u said Oris is many level above Ball can u please explain further? Do u mean that Oris is on par with the likes of Omega,IWC,Zenith,Panerai etc? :Confused:
Oris is a few level above Ball but still far behind the likes of Omega, IWC, Zenith, Panerai, etc.. For luxury watches, Ball, Tissot, Mido, Certina, etc.. are entry level luxury. If we go higher a bit between medium and high luxury, we'll have brand like Oris, Mont Blanc, etc. Another level higher, we have brands like Tag Heuer, Longines, Rado,Baume & Mercier, Gucci, Chanel, etc. And then, for high-end luxury, we have the brands that you've listed....Omega, Zenith, IWC, Officine Panerai, Breitling, Hublot, Bvlgari,Chopard, Cartier etc. And finally, for exclusive luxury, there are brands like Rolex, Piaget, Jaeger-LeCoultre, Audemars Piguet, Ulysse Nardin, Blancpain, Vacheron Constatin, Breguet and the "king" of all luxury watches, Patek Phillipe.
Post by: RaymondT on April 11, 2013, 09:13:27 AM
Sinbad2k..When u said Oris is many level above Ball can u please explain further? Do u mean that Oris is on par with the likes of Omega,IWC,Zenith,Panerai etc? :Confused:
Oris is a few level above Ball but still far behind the likes of Omega, IWC, Zenith, Panerai, etc.. For luxury watches, Ball, Tissot, Mido, Certina, etc.. are entry level luxury. If we go higher a bit between medium and high luxury, we'll have brand like Oris, Mont Blanc, etc. Another level higher, we have brands like Tag Heuer, Longines, Rado,Baume & Mercier, Gucci, Chanel, etc. And then, for high-end luxury, we have the brands that you've listed....Omega, Zenith, IWC, Officine Panerai, Breitling, Hublot, Bvlgari,Chopard, Cartier etc. And finally, for exclusive luxury, there are brands like Rolex, Piaget, Jaeger-LeCoultre, Audemars Piguet, Ulysse Nardin, Blancpain, Vacheron Constatin, Breguet and the "king" of all luxury watches, Patek Phillipe.
Sindab2k :Wow , never knew Ball is at the lower end :Confused: , how did you measure ? the movement ? the build ?
What about grand seiko ? which category would you categorize it ?
Post by: sinbad2k on April 11, 2013, 10:34:34 AM
Sinbad2k..When u said Oris is many level above Ball can u please explain further? Do u mean that Oris is on par with the likes of Omega,IWC,Zenith,Panerai etc? :Confused:
Oris is a few level above Ball but still far behind the likes of Omega, IWC, Zenith, Panerai, etc.. For luxury watches, Ball, Tissot, Mido, Certina, etc.. are entry level luxury. If we go higher a bit between medium and high luxury, we'll have brand like Oris, Mont Blanc, etc. Another level higher, we have brands like Tag Heuer, Longines, Rado,Baume & Mercier, Gucci, Chanel, etc. And then, for high-end luxury, we have the brands that you've listed....Omega, Zenith, IWC, Officine Panerai, Breitling, Hublot, Bvlgari,Chopard, Cartier etc. And finally, for exclusive luxury, there are brands like Rolex, Piaget, Jaeger-LeCoultre, Audemars Piguet, Ulysse Nardin, Blancpain, Vacheron Constatin, Breguet and the "king" of all luxury watches, Patek Phillipe.
Sindab2k :Wow , never knew Ball is at the lower end :Confused: , how did you measure ? the movement ? the build ?
What about grand seiko ? which category would you categorize it ?
It's not me who "measure" this. I've read all about these from various forums and articles for some time now. Also, just last weekend I went to a shop (which is owned directly by the largest watchmaker in the world), the salesperson explained these to me as well and even took out a file with a pyramid chart showing all the brands' (within that watch company) position in the market and it's quite the same as what I've read so far. Considering the fact that the shop is owned directly by that company, I reckon the data he showed me is very reliable.
Generally, it's the build quality and finishing, features, materials used to make the watch that determines the brand position in the market. The salesperson showed me an entry level watch and a high-range watch and compared it side by side for it's design, level of detailed and finishing and indeed the high-range one is better in every aspect. Along these physical attributes, the more important ones that determine the brand position are brand name itself, heritage,prestige, design sophistication and culture.
Movement-wise, if you're talking about in-house movement, then yes, that also determines the "level" of that watch.
I'm not sure how Grand Seiko fits into the luxury watch market since it's using Japanese movement. The market favours Swiss made watches since it carries the tech,prestige,quality and long history of Swiss watchmaking. Don't get me wrong though. technology wise, Seiko watches are just as good as Swiss watches. Their SpringDrive movement which produce the true smooth sweeping motion of the seconds hand is unparalleled compared to Swiss' beats per time unit movement. Their finishing and quality are just as good as their Swiss peers and price-wise it's on par with exclusive luxury range but then they simply don't have enough of the other non-physical attributes.
For the same price range, between an Omega and Grand Seiko, I'd prefer Omega to GS simply because of Omega's prestige. Not sure how other ppl think but that's how I see it.
Post by: CKL1213 on April 11, 2013, 01:45:20 PM
Quote
Also, just last weekend I went to a shop (which is owned directly by the largest watchmaker in the world)
largest watchmaker in the world? Swatch?
Post by: sinbad2k on April 11, 2013, 07:16:31 PM
QuoteAlso, just last weekend I went to a shop (which is owned directly by the largest watchmaker in the world)
largest watchmaker in the world? Swatch?
Yup. :thumbsup:
Post by: wei2011 on April 12, 2013, 07:24:51 PM
Post by: Quasimodo on April 20, 2013, 02:45:36 PM
Post by: Joashes on April 22, 2013, 01:55:36 AM
Post by: Calibr on April 22, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
Post by: infinityws on April 22, 2013, 02:19:53 PM
I think most importantly, you have to go try out the watches. Your basic instinct will tell you which one is better and get that. You can't obviously go wrong with them. They are reputable brands.
Post by: ruhaizal on June 19, 2013, 10:11:51 PM
Post by: chenht on June 20, 2013, 04:49:36 AM
Post by: chrisyen on June 20, 2013, 09:31:53 AM
Ball - boooo... It's covered, nothing to see ! Antimagnetic
Oris - f1 driver wear it, when go on the podium n press conference
Ball - ada gd shock resistant, but can't get into f1 car...
Post by: cspoh001 on June 20, 2013, 01:42:37 PM
My conclusion is buy the watch you like rather than others like. Our opinion is just for your reference.
Post by: CKL1213 on June 20, 2013, 02:12:01 PM
Whereby ORIS is famous in motorsport racing and diving.
famous in motorsport because they sponsored Williams F1 team since 2003?
famous in diving because you saw their nice display of diving watches with changeable rubber straps supplied with cool looking tools and little black briefcast?
Post by: proxyserv on June 20, 2013, 02:34:31 PM
Post by: cspoh001 on June 21, 2013, 05:26:49 AM
Whereby ORIS is famous in motorsport racing and diving.
famous in motorsport because they sponsored Williams F1 team since 2003?
famous in diving because you saw their nice display of diving watches with changeable rubber straps supplied with cool looking tools and little black briefcast?
Pls share with us if you have any other point of view. This is part of the marketing by sponsoring. For example Omega will not be famous without James Bond and NASA .
Post by: Everdying on June 21, 2013, 08:13:24 AM
Pls share with us if you have any other point of view. This is part of the marketing by sponsoring. For example Omega will not be famous without James Bond and NASA .
this is part of ppl being duped by marketing.
before NASA even, Omega was already quite popular.
JFK wore an Omega, so did Elvis.
so its not that it wasnt already popular, but arguably Bond did help to revive Omega for a newer generation.
Post by: sinbad2k on June 21, 2013, 09:35:21 AM
Pls share with us if you have any other point of view. This is part of the marketing by sponsoring. For example Omega will not be famous without James Bond and NASA .
this is part of ppl being duped by marketing.
before NASA even, Omega was already quite popular.
JFK wore an Omega, so did Elvis.
so its not that it wasnt already popular, but arguably Bond did help to revive Omega for a newer generation.
Yes, that's what happened. In fact, Bond wore Rolex initially before switching to Omega.
Post by: sinbad2k on June 21, 2013, 09:40:08 AM
Dunno whether it has been posted before, anyway, happy reading guys... http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/ranking-watch-brands-price-revised-755635.html
Check this out.... it's 2009 data but still relevant : http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=6979.0 (http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php?topic=6979.0)
Post by: CKL1213 on June 21, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
Whereby ORIS is famous in motorsport racing and diving.
famous in motorsport because they sponsored Williams F1 team since 2003?
famous in diving because you saw their nice display of diving watches with changeable rubber straps supplied with cool looking tools and little black briefcast?
Pls share with us if you have any other point of view. This is part of the marketing by sponsoring. For example Omega will not be famous without James Bond and NASA .
First of all, let's get things clear, I'm not attacking Oris here, I'm rather focusing on the point you've made that you said Oris is famous in motorsports racing and diving and I asked why and you said is because of Marketing.
But think carefully, I could be wrong, but I guess when you mentioned about motorsport racing and relate to watches, I think the first one that come to people's mind will be "Tag Heuer, Daytona" and as for diving will be "Submariner, Seiko Divers"
I don't think Oris is famous in motorsport racing and diving (even thought they really sponsored F1 and some deep diving dude) people just don't know and associate the brand Oris to motorsport racing and diving, consider their Marketing department failed.
Please take note I did not mentioned anything about Oris built quality, I'm sure they are well built and I think Oris is value for money, Oris is a great watch.
Post by: cspoh001 on June 21, 2013, 11:31:58 AM
Post by: wealthbowl on June 21, 2013, 03:28:54 PM
I guess at that range, you're spoiled with choices! Apart from Oris and Ball, there are Longines, Raymond, Baume, Tag, (even) Tudor and many more!
At the end of the day, the best choice is something you really look forward to put on everyday. I am sure you have a desired one already, go for it - follow your heart!
You'll end up doing more research (after purchasing!) on your next purchase - if you buy based on recommendations, rather than your own desire. In otherwords, you'll feel sort of unsettled.
go for it!
*Personal experience*
Post by: STT1987 on June 21, 2013, 05:01:34 PM
Pls share with us if you have any other point of view. This is part of the marketing by sponsoring. For example Omega will not be famous without James Bond and NASA .
this is part of ppl being duped by marketing.
before NASA even, Omega was already quite popular.
JFK wore an Omega, so did Elvis.
so its not that it wasnt already popular, but arguably Bond did help to revive Omega for a newer generation.
Yes, that's what happened. In fact, Bond wore Rolex initially before switching to Omega.
You guys make me cry :'( :'( :'( :'(
(http://i.imgur.com/yVqLK6U.jpg)
From Omegas wikipedia page:
Britain's Royal Flying Corps chose Omega watches in 1917 as its official timekeepers for its combat units, as did the American army in 1918. Omega watches were the choice of NASA and the first watch on the Moon in 1969. Omega has been the official timekeeping device of the Olympic Games since 1932. Famous Omega wearers, past and present, include John F. Kennedy, Prince William, and Buzz Aldrin.
Omega has been a major watch company over the past century. To claim that James Bond "revived" Omega and made it famous again is like claiming Rodger Federer endorsing Rolex revived it as a major brand! You got to have some perspective here. Abang James only started wearing Omegas from Pierce Brosnan's era (Goldeneye, 1995); before then Bond was wearing Submariners, Seikos, generic digital watches and gadgets that looked like watches but were actually buzz saws, super electromagnets, radios, geiger counters, etc.
Omega's involvement with the James Bond franchise is in the form of product placement advertising.
Advertising by it's very nature is extremely public, prominent and may be very important but it is only one aspect that makes up the public image of a brand. I am not a marketing student but I do know this. You can advertise the hell out of crap but if it doesn't have QUALITY leading to a GOOD REPUTATION and the difficult to describe quantity, "good word of mouth" - it can never endure. If you don't have the product legacy and quality there in the first place, there is nothing to revive.
James Bond is Omega's flashy advertisement; but it is only a small aspect the brand's totality - even if you just consider the younger generation. To describe it as a major driver of the brand is like the tail wagging the dog.
PS:
Oris vs Ball?
Quality wise, I will choose Oris.
I own several examples of Oris watches and one (and only one) Ball.
No, I didn't look at the ads. Oris' watches are solid quality designs, whereas Ball designs are a jarringly odd mix of classical design with H3 gas tubes. I also think the build quality of Oris watches to be better.
PPS:
I originally voted for Ball but Oris has grown in my esteem.
Post by: 1to12 on June 21, 2013, 08:53:50 PM
Post by: CKL1213 on June 22, 2013, 01:41:12 AM
James Bond wore Seiko?? Wow, cool man!! :Cheers:
Yes he did
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r520/changkentlee/Screenshot2013-06-22at33806AM_zpsc8e73058.png) (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/changkentlee/media/Screenshot2013-06-22at33806AM_zpsc8e73058.png.html)
Post by: ice pop on June 22, 2013, 06:23:37 AM
Post by: sinbad2k on June 22, 2013, 01:56:25 PM
Pls share with us if you have any other point of view. This is part of the marketing by sponsoring. For example Omega will not be famous without James Bond and NASA .
this is part of ppl being duped by marketing.
before NASA even, Omega was already quite popular.
JFK wore an Omega, so did Elvis.
so its not that it wasnt already popular, but arguably Bond did help to revive Omega for a newer generation.
Yes, that's what happened. In fact, Bond wore Rolex initially before switching to Omega.
You guys make me cry :'( :'( :'( :'(
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From Omegas wikipedia page:
Britain's Royal Flying Corps chose Omega watches in 1917 as its official timekeepers for its combat units, as did the American army in 1918. Omega watches were the choice of NASA and the first watch on the Moon in 1969. Omega has been the official timekeeping device of the Olympic Games since 1932. Famous Omega wearers, past and present, include John F. Kennedy, Prince William, and Buzz Aldrin.
Omega has been a major watch company over the past century. To claim that James Bond "revived" Omega and made it famous again is like claiming Rodger Federer endorsing Rolex revived it as a major brand! You got to have some perspective here. Abang James only started wearing Omegas from Pierce Brosnan's era (Goldeneye, 1995); before then Bond was wearing Submariners, Seikos, generic digital watches and gadgets that looked like watches but were actually buzz saws, super electromagnets, radios, geiger counters, etc.
Omega's involvement with the James Bond franchise is in the form of product placement advertising.
Advertising by it's very nature is extremely public, prominent and may be very important but it is only one aspect that makes up the public image of a brand. I am not a marketing student but I do know this. You can advertise the hell out of crap but if it doesn't have QUALITY leading to a GOOD REPUTATION and the difficult to describe quantity, "good word of mouth" - it can never endure. If you don't have the product legacy and quality there in the first place, there is nothing to revive.
James Bond is Omega's flashy advertisement; but it is only a small aspect the brand's totality - even if you just consider the younger generation. To describe it as a major driver of the brand is like the tail wagging the dog.
PS:
Oris vs Ball?
Quality wise, I will choose Oris.
I own several examples of Oris watches and one (and only one) Ball.
No, I didn't look at the ads. Oris' watches are solid quality designs, whereas Ball designs are a jarringly odd mix of classical design with H3 gas tubes. I also think the build quality of Oris watches to be better.
PPS:
I originally voted for Ball but Oris has grown in my esteem.
u're right. Even before abang James, Omega is already a major watch company. But then, I don't think the brand positioning is as strong as now. Also, didn't the Quartz crisis diminish the interest in mechanical watches like Omega along with other watch companies? Ads and product placement in movies helped to renewed the interest in the Omega brand and I think that's what Glampyre is trying to convey. Not that abang James is the SOLE reason the brand is revived(from the context he's speaking of). No need to facepalm like that
Post by: amir1218 on June 22, 2013, 06:15:06 PM
Post by: 1to12 on June 23, 2013, 11:48:56 PM
There's an Oris booth at newly renovated old wing of 1U.
Post by: aum1 on June 28, 2013, 01:14:26 AM
Price point-wise too, it's more expensive. The starting Ball model is a couple of grand more expensive than an entry Oris model
Post by: herng0326 on July 04, 2013, 10:40:03 AM
Post by: Sunriver on July 11, 2013, 10:06:07 AM
Got the ladies version too.... :Cheers: can buy as couple set :Dancing_banana:
Peace..
Post by: johnthe692006 on July 15, 2013, 12:21:39 PM
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Post by: ckk125 on July 28, 2013, 06:07:08 AM
i was in KL past weekend and saw promotion in Pavilion till the 16th .which is tomorrow. You get xx% off from list price. And i was so attracted to the Ball engineer II world time. Yes its a big watch but for those who don't mind, its an automatic, diver, world time and day date. Definitely worth every single penny, is a bargain i must say !! . Didn't really looked at oris though ..
Was in midvalley and they are giving vv good discount for ball watches..way more than usual,almost staff purchase since they are clearing stock.
Post by: chenht on July 28, 2013, 07:25:19 AM
Post by: yohannes86 on July 31, 2013, 11:44:04 AM
Just a matter of personal preference.
Ball watches are :
-comfortable, durable, suitable for everday wear, pretty well built, and last but not least, love the glow from the tritium !
Post by: hacksrider on August 04, 2013, 11:16:28 AM
Post by: fantasywatch2 on August 06, 2013, 08:43:56 AM
Post by: 1to12 on August 06, 2013, 03:15:22 PM
James Bond wore Seiko?? Wow, cool man!! :Cheers:
Yes he did
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r520/changkentlee/Screenshot2013-06-22at33806AM_zpsc8e73058.png) (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/changkentlee/media/Screenshot2013-06-22at33806AM_zpsc8e73058.png.html)
Oops missed this. Cool indeed... Haven't come across these watches before. Must have become collectibles
Post by: Badrul HM on August 06, 2013, 09:38:10 PM
Post by: Kennypane on August 07, 2013, 07:44:12 PM
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Post by: mydoven on August 10, 2013, 08:55:03 PM
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Post by: Cocas on June 25, 2016, 03:08:07 PM
Hi MWF,
Im new here, i planning to buy my 1st swiss watch, my budget less than 6k. i have no idea which brand is better.
after i meet Mr. David at 1Mont Kiara, he advise me oris or ball is a good start (thank for the sharing & advise me ) :) ,
and now i got few models in my mind
ORIS
-Oris TT1 Day Date
-Oris Artelier Skeleton
BALL
-Ball Engineer Hydrocarbon
-Ball Fireman
or any other brand or model is under my budget? need some advise from sifu2 MWF.
ps:Please PM me if got any recommended shop can get more discount in Klang Valley, TQ :Cheers:
Thank MWF!
Just choose Ball EHC :thumbsup:
Post by: Cocas on June 25, 2016, 03:10:52 PM
if compare the Movement? which 1 better? i really no idea about the ETA Movement ???
BALL Fireman :Automatic caliber ETA 2824-2 (i cant find the detail...)
Oris TT1 Day Date :
Dimensions: Ø 25.60 mm, 11 1/2’’’
Functions: Centre hands for hours, minutes and seconds, individual date and day windows,
instantaneous date and day, date and day corrector, fine timing device and stop-second
Winding: Automatic winding, bi-directionally rotating red rotor
Power-Reserve: 38 hrs
Vibrations: 28’800 A/h, 4 Hz
Jewels: 26
Oris 26 jewel movement is SW200 known as Selita. Oris shock resistance is almost non-existence.
Post by: Cocas on June 25, 2016, 03:23:17 PM
Ball seems a bit over-priced.. owned one basic model before, std ETA movement, nice lume from the gas cylinders which is still a marketing gimmick, or product innovation (depends on how one sees it). Oris would be a better buy in my opinion.
Saw an Oris dropped from 30cm height in action and could not survive.
Post by: Cocas on June 25, 2016, 03:37:33 PM
But there is one point i do agree is that those oldies Oris dial design is very fine and complete with complicated pattern, eg. 2nd verison Oris Big Crown Pointer date.
Post by: Sky 007 on June 25, 2016, 04:43:59 PM
But I already sold above 3 watches on this year, now only keep Omega limited edition & Rolex.
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Post by: Cocas on October 31, 2016, 07:30:08 AM
I have the exact same thought and experience!
I owned both and feel that Ball has the edge over Oris
Post by: elado249 on November 06, 2016, 04:41:41 AM
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Post by: kokmeng1 on November 06, 2016, 01:51:26 PM
I have just decided today.
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Post by: lovefoe on November 19, 2016, 02:03:30 PM
Post by: yehlai on November 19, 2016, 09:23:03 PM
Honestly, I rather get a Seiko instead of Ball
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Post by: meoramri on December 25, 2016, 12:42:25 PM
Lately discover Oris mechanical altimeter watch. This special watch really regaining its glory among the Swiss watches. :thumbsup:
A pilotwatch for pilots to check for altitude. However, if you are a pilot in a modern jet plane or fighter, this option is useless because of the pressurised cabin.
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Post by: Cocas on December 25, 2016, 02:15:14 PM
Lately discover Oris mechanical altimeter watch. This special watch really regaining its glory among the Swiss watches. :thumbsup:
A pilotwatch for pilots to check for altitude. However, if you are a pilot in a modern jet plane or fighter, this option is useless because of the pressurised cabin.
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Yes, its usefulness is fairly limited. Seems that it's only good for the rescue mission chopper pilot/response team.
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