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Title: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 21, 2013, 10:30:56 AM
Will be listing 3 rado cause weekend no post...feedback welcome...enjoy....cheers !!!
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_031_zps6494f33d.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_032_zps5edb032d.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_019_zps3a7a46c2.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_018_zps3f0011f6.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_021_zpsa8a88b9a.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_015_zpsfc70abf9.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_016_zps60bf8378.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_017_zpsd6bdaeba.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_014_zps74941dca.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_013_zpse3d830e8.jpg)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 21, 2013, 11:18:22 AM

History Yesterday And Today

The history of Rado began in 1917 in the small Swiss town of Lengnau when the three brothers Fritz, Ernst, and Werner Schlup opened the Schlup & Co. clockwork factory.

 40 years later, in 1957, it became Rado Uhren AG and the first watch collection was launched under this name. It was the beginning of an unusual success story.
 
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 21, 2013, 01:10:59 PM
TOMORROW WILL POST RADO GREEN HORSE 30 JEWELS AND DAY AFTER WILL BE MY FAVOURITE WATCH RADO GOLDEN HORSE 93 JEWELS WATCH... 
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: Godzillaz on January 22, 2013, 05:33:59 AM
Hard to make out in your photos but doess the "anchor" below 12 o'clock index rotate? It appears they are in different position on all the watch you post.

Regard
Tyler
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 06:23:54 AM
Hi Tyler.....All Rado anchor will rotate, thats the unique part of the dial.  So far, Rado have a durable mechanism and consider pioneer in watch making.  Tomorrow will be posting the 93 jewels Rado, very rare to come across such watch.  The only watch that can compete with it, is Waltham 100 jewels next will be Titoni 77 jewels. The more jewels watch, will definitely boost up the mechanism or movement of the watch.   
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 06:28:06 AM
This is Rado Green Horse 30 jewels
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_010_zpscf7895cb.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_009_zps48d0a4b1.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_012_zps0002ea60.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_008_zps9c6b7271.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_007_zps9d440fb4.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_006_zps35350b72.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_005_zps62654b33.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_003_zps8c3a5e6a.jpg)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TheHobbit on January 22, 2013, 07:10:30 AM
Hi Tyler.....All Rado anchor will rotate, thats the unique part of the dial.  So far, Rado have a durable mechanism and consider pioneer in watch making.  Tomorrow will be posting the 93 jewels Rado, very rare to come across such watch.  The only watch that can compete with it, is Waltham 100 jewels next will be Titoni 77 jewels. The more jewels watch, will definitely boost up the mechanism or movement of the watch.   

Only if the jewels are functional and not decorative.
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 07:16:00 AM
Hi TheHobbit...you are absolutely correct...thats why sometimes whenever our watch go slow or fast, watch repairer will just adjust the plus minus at the mechanism but sometimes the problem not solved.  The reason is, one of the jewels not functioning and needed a good thorough cleaning. (as inform by my watch sifu in Penang)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: Enkidu on January 22, 2013, 08:17:50 AM
The more jewels watch, will definitely boost up the mechanism or movement of the watch.   

THat's what watch companies in the past want people to believe  :laugh:, and companies started studding their rotor with jewels etc to inflate the jewel count. The situation got so out of hand in the 1970s that the swiss had to introduce the ISO-1112 to standardise what the watch companies can advertise and print on the watch dials....

Just scroll down to the part on "jewel inflation"..... ::)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_watch#.27Jewel_inflation.27

Add: and some lunch-time reading to soothe your eyes (TZ article containing the pic of the famed 100J waltham movement)...

http://people.timezone.com/library/workbench/workbench0025
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 08:42:22 AM
Hi Enkidu...thanks for the valuable information but i still go for more jewels cause its getting very rare nowadays...if you have any more
               info please share,  really appreciated...cheers !!!
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Hi Enkidu...u really do your homework...i run thru the article that u gave and indeed the jewels are not all assisting the watch movement. I was about to buy Waltham 100 jewels at Ebay, now got to think twice.  You must be one of the educated Sifu (heehee)
Please teach me more and i will be your dedicated student.
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: harkensng on January 22, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
Hi Enkidu...u really do your homework...i run thru the article that u gave and indeed the jewels are not all assisting the watch movement. I was about to buy Waltham 100 jewels at Ebay, now got to think twice.  You must be one of the educated Sifu (heehee)
Please teach me more and i will be your dedicated student.

Hopefully you are not into panerai.  :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
Hi Harkensng...nope Panerai is way to expensive for me...cheers !!
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: JOS2012 on January 22, 2013, 12:15:45 PM
wow.. this statement brings back very old memories..

I also remember being told this by the uncle watch salesmen in the 70's....when I was very young and naive..
We now know that the watch salesmen were just that..... salesmen...

Too bad there was no internet then... and most of us were 'katak di bawah tempurong' then about a lot of things......

The more jewels watch, will definitely boost up the mechanism or movement of the watch.   
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 01:03:43 PM
Hi Jos2012...i was informed by my Sifu also, luckily join this forum or i will be so naive telling everybody the same old thing.  Learn something new everyday. 
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: Enkidu on January 22, 2013, 04:56:16 PM
Hi Enkidu...u really do your homework...i run thru the article that u gave and indeed the jewels are not all assisting the watch movement. I was about to buy Waltham 100 jewels at Ebay, now got to think twice.  You must be one of the educated Sifu (heehee)
Please teach me more and i will be your dedicated student.

Don't embarrass me. Just a small time collector.  ;D Anyway, like JOS seems to say, unlike the past, lots of information is available over the internet these days. All we need is to do is to do the relevant searches....  :laugh:
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 07:28:08 PM
Hi Enkidu...like i have said earlier during my introduction, i am no computer wizard or a professional photographer...my favourite computer brousing is Ebay and thats about all i know about computer (heehee) ...by all means, teach or guide me in any possible way you can.  Trust me i am a good learner as well...so am i officially your student now ? (heehee)   
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: dpkong on January 22, 2013, 07:41:51 PM
ahh.. the Jedi Master has a padawan...
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: Enkidu on January 22, 2013, 08:02:41 PM
Hi Enkidu...like i have said earlier during my introduction, i am no computer wizard or a professional photographer...my favourite computer brousing is Ebay and thats about all i know about computer (heehee) ...by all means, teach or guide me in any possible way you can.  Trust me i am a good learner as well...so am i officially your student now ? (heehee)

Hahahaha, you gotta be kidding. There are at least 2 things in life for which you do not need a real life teacher. The first is learning about watches, the other (which somehow just came to my mind... ;D) is sex. In both cases, you'll learn much more by visiting the right "sites" (this is after all the 21st century) and experimenting. From time to time, you attend a gathering (called GTG in relation to watches, orgy in relation to sex) to learn new skills which people may be too shy or reluctant to demonstrate or share over the internet. 
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: ck77 on January 22, 2013, 08:04:44 PM
Off topic, where to attend orgy ah  ;D
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TheHobbit on January 22, 2013, 08:07:52 PM
ahh.. the Jedi Master has a padawan...

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: Enkidu on January 22, 2013, 08:09:24 PM
Off topic, where to attend orgy ah  ;D

Hey CK, I know you are very fit lah. You can try yours on top of Broga Hill again. Behind the lalang bushes...
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 22, 2013, 08:14:31 PM
You guys really are funny...nice to have the whole bunch chatting exchanging jokes...how about all of you become my Sifu than we can have a big Orgy....hahaha
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: harkensng on January 22, 2013, 08:48:58 PM
You guys really are funny...nice to have the whole bunch chatting exchanging jokes...how about all of you become my Sifu than we can have a big Orgy....hahaha

Bro, pls post more pics of your 93j rado tomorrow. ....looking forward to it!

God bless
Harken
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 23, 2013, 04:54:52 AM
Hi harkensng...specially 4 u...enjoy !!
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_025_zpsec60882c.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_027_zpsc2f61be2.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_030_zps7eb66b99.jpg)
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130121_028_zpse5e35871.jpg)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 23, 2013, 04:58:48 AM
What i like most about this Rado Golden Horse is the original vintage bracelet, very unique and rare.  My next post for tomorrow will be Longines, many rare species also... 
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: JOS2012 on January 23, 2013, 06:28:43 AM
fulamak.... 93 jewels... :Startled:
can you do us a favour and take pics of the movt with the rotor in different positions for us to count the 93 jewels.. ;)

Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 23, 2013, 07:01:56 AM
U are funny Jos...
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: JOS2012 on January 23, 2013, 07:03:35 AM
seriously, I would like to see the 93 jewels...

out of curiosity..

truly... :angel:

U are funny Jos...
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 23, 2013, 07:10:45 AM
the jewels cannot be seen from the outer movement, most of it are located inside...please refer to  Enkidu (my sifu) article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_watch#.27Jewel_inflation.27
http://people.timezone.com/library/workbench/workbench0025
 
Dont u dare to ask Enkidu to be your Sifu also (hahaha) !!!

Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: JOS2012 on January 23, 2013, 07:12:39 AM
I read that article before...

errmmmm.. he became my sifu before u asked him laaaaa.


the jewels cannot be seen from the outer movement, most of it are located inside...please refer to  Enkidu (my sifu) article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_watch#.27Jewel_inflation.27
http://people.timezone.com/library/workbench/workbench0025
 
Dont u dare to ask Enkidu to be your Sifu also (hahaha) !!!
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 23, 2013, 07:18:33 AM
In that case, i shall promote you to be my "Grand Sifu" !!! (hahaha)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 23, 2013, 07:30:24 AM
Sifu Enkidu...how did i do ?  Is Jos really your student ? When only, can i join the Orgy party ? (hahaha)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: dpkong on January 23, 2013, 02:47:26 PM
Off topic, where to attend orgy ah  ;D

Hey CK, I know you are very fit lah. You can try yours on top of Broga Hill again. Behind the lalang bushes...

Ah... so the secret is revealed.. No wonder you joined the Broga Hill outing even though you had to climb and climb and climb....

 :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on January 27, 2013, 10:57:15 AM
Just bought 2 more Rado...Starliner 999 (police watch ?  :Laughing_on_floor:) and another Tai Chi Rado..will post after completed Longines...
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on April 12, 2013, 10:28:11 AM
Another Rado....enjoy  :Dancing_banana:
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130412_001_zps4f2745f9.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130412_001_zps4f2745f9.jpg.html)
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130412_003_zpse67221c9.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130412_003_zpse67221c9.jpg.html)
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130412_004_zps563ece36.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130412_004_zps563ece36.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: bezelnut on April 12, 2013, 05:33:44 PM
Like the black white contrast, and the strap really pop out.
Something Cruella would wear. (in a good way)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on September 17, 2013, 06:49:25 AM
Another Rado Golden Horse 93 Jewels....enjoy  :Cheers:
 
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130917_002_zps07369c15.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130917_002_zps07369c15.jpg.html)
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130917_004_zps0488408b.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130917_004_zps0488408b.jpg.html)
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130917_003_zps6730158b.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130917_003_zps6730158b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: bezelnut on September 17, 2013, 08:47:15 AM
Nice. Congrats.

Personally like the silver dial a bit more, but this black dial still look very good la.  :laugh:
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on September 17, 2013, 10:09:10 AM
Gd Afternoon Bezelnut...totally agree with you....this one seems a bid corroded.   :HammerHead:
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on September 21, 2013, 12:42:25 PM
Did some modification...hope looks better...enjoy  :Cheers:
 
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130921_004_zpsa4abc5ae.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130921_004_zpsa4abc5ae.jpg.html)
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130921_003_zps8e294d19.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130921_003_zps8e294d19.jpg.html)
 
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/WP_20130921_002_zps6cb1bbae.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/WP_20130921_002_zps6cb1bbae.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: bezelnut on September 21, 2013, 08:34:26 PM
Nice bracelet.  :thumbsup:

Somehow the dial also look cleaner, illusion?
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on October 28, 2013, 10:49:03 AM
Another just arrived by FEDEX today...Its Rado World Travel 12k....enjoy  :Cheers:
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/20131028_123714_zps7bd6c61d.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/20131028_123714_zps7bd6c61d.jpg.html)
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/20131028_123737_zps43fb56a9.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/20131028_123737_zps43fb56a9.jpg.html)
 
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/20131028_123800_zpsa69e1865.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/20131028_123800_zpsa69e1865.jpg.html)
 
 
 
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b610/tet156799/20131028_123819_zpsdbda76ae.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/tet156799/media/20131028_123819_zpsdbda76ae.jpg.html)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: iamyourfazaaa on October 28, 2013, 02:37:55 PM
How old is this watch?
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on October 29, 2013, 11:43:02 AM
Sorry late reply...shud be 60s'...Anyway, just broke the crystal this morning, thats why this type of bracelet not recommended for expensive watch very easy to slip :Scolding:... 
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: iamyourfazaaa on October 29, 2013, 12:22:41 PM
Sorry late reply...shud be 60s'...Anyway, just broke the crystal this morning, thats why this type of bracelet not recommended for expensive watch very easy to slip :Scolding:...

So sorry to hear that. Hope it can be fixed.
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: superken182 on November 04, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
Hi guys, what a great forum chat here for Rado lover! Just want to post my humble Rado Marco Polo to attaract some comment from all Sifu here ;D

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/251/5vwy.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/5vwy.jpg/)
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on November 05, 2013, 04:01:34 AM
G.morning Superken182...sorry late reply...please post your Marco Polo and Welcome to MWF  :Cheers:
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: superken182 on November 05, 2013, 06:52:30 AM
Hi guys, what a great forum chat here for Rado lover! Just want to post my humble Rado Marco Polo to attaract some comment from all Sifu here ;D

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Oops, I'm still figuring how to upload a picture to the forum... Here you are :D
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on November 05, 2013, 06:58:13 AM
Very nice indeed...especially the anchor logo at 9, very unique....any chance of taking more pictures...
Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: superken182 on November 05, 2013, 12:25:04 PM
Very nice indeed...especially the anchor logo at 9, very unique....any chance of taking more pictures...

Thx TET for ur attention on my Rado ;)
Yup, the place of the anchor logo is one of the unique part that different from any golden horse or green horse.
But I think what attrack me the most is the colour changed on the whole casing.
U can see the picture below.
It is a great sign of aging on the piece, but yet the dial n hands remain clean without any corrosion.
Some may think why choose such a dirty n ugly case.
But personally I love the vintage look case so much.
As I examine carefully, I have no idea why the casing is changing colour in this way.
How do u think sifu? Is it about the material ?
Isn't it SS? Wonder whether it is ?, like the material same with old 1 cent or Aircond cable. Sorry don't know what it call in English. But I guess not possible either.
Bracelet is not ori, wonder what colour of strap will match it nice as my gf saying it is too uncle for me to wear ... I'm just only a guy of 30 looks 25...Haha :Laughing_on_floor:

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Title: Re: ONE DAY ONE WATCH...RADO
Post by: TET@WATCH on November 07, 2013, 04:55:08 AM
Morning Superken...i really dont understand how casing changes colour but congrats to you for such a find :Dancing_banana:
 dont changed the mesh bracelet, it looks good and suitable for the watch. :Cheers: