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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: G.MAC on January 15, 2013, 02:47:27 PM
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Something to tickle your thoughts. I asked before whether we should go for quality or quantity. A majority voted for quality at that time. Upgrading for higher end one watches would be the way to go. Now the question is assuming the collection is made up of 1 Patek and a few Rolex, would you sacrifice the whole lot of Rolex for a single Patek so that the collection is made up of 2 Pateks? A friend asked me this question and for the first time since I collected watches, I cant think of a suitable answer. All I said (in my opinion) was that in any collection, liquidity is very important. One should never be overburdened by their hobbies and interest. What is your say? Give me the reason for you saying so. Every feedback is appreciated.
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The question you asked insinuated me to think that the more expensive the watch the better the quality i.e. few Rolexes (I assume SS sport models) for a Patek (mostly made from precious material). I see quality of a watch in its performance and durability. A typical SS Rolex sport watch is robust and accurate. The construction material used is tough albeit it is not precious metal. Bronze and SS are better construction material than precious metal as they are tougher. From this perspective, the quality of Rolex is higher because it uses the right material to build. From the Patek point of view, it is an increase in a person social status level and the watch aesthetic but not in term of built quality and material performance. I feel the question is comparing apples with oranges.
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2 watches are too few to be called a collection, and a collector is unlikely to stop at 2.. While quality is important, some variety would certainly add some degree of joy and satisfaction. Just my 2 sen.. ;D
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Bro Shark,
I have to clarify myself. When I mentioned on quality, it has nothing to do with th quality of the watch in anyway. It has to do with the 'quality' of the collection as a whole. Another better way to put it is to decide whether it is better to upgrade a few rolexes for one Patek Philippe.
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I don't think you should cull all your remaining Rolex for another Patek, unless it's remarkably different from your 5711 now.
Oh.. unless of course, you already have some spare AP hanging around for choice, then maybe you should.
:Confused:
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You're assuming a PP is "better" than a Rolex (or an Omega etc.) That IMHO is incorrect. A PP is just a lot more expensive, not better; nor is it an "upgrade" over any other cheaper watches. So what it is, you are basically asking if its better to consolidate several less expensive watches to one very expensive watch.
My personal pov answer is there is no right answer as it totally involves the individual wants and desires in luxury watches. If you want and desire a PP or a VC over several Rolexes, that is your answer. If you prefer several Rolexes over the PP, that's your answer. If you are still conflicted, it means you want both the PP AND the Rolexes but you can't afford both.
I'd get rid of of half my collection if I can get my hands on a PP Nautilus 5726 (annual calendar w moon phase). Unfortunately, half my collection is only 10% of that PP.
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Bro STT1987,
Yea there is no right answer to this conundrum. The question/opinion arises when a friend wants to get the white dial 5726 to match the current grey dial version which he has. His collection is predominantly watches with the annual calendar complications. He chose to cull the rolex in his collection as they dont have this complication. He has other models which he refuses to cull as they fit the theme. I was trying to see what others have to say on the matter. Being a Rolex guy, I am more inclined to keeping the Rollies over the PP since it is also the same model only with different dial configuration. But then again, it is his money and not mine.
Bro dpkong, i wish i have more watches to cull for another Patek :Laughing_on_floor:
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Hi G.MAC,
I vote for 1 Patek & a few Rolexes for a simple reason - so that I can rotate my watches.
Although I very much admire Patek & place it above Rolex in terms of class, I don't think I'll be wearing it 24/7.
But then that's my opinion.
As a wise MWForumer said, "Your ONLY job in this world is to make sure that you are happy." - enuff said!
Take care, Ciao! :thumbsup:
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For those who own the more expensive PP, i would say they're of a different league and probably prefer timepieces with more/unique complications and precious materials. Snobbish as it sounds..Rolex to them is a daily beater/tool watch. The perceived value placed on PP is significantly higher than Rolex. A watch is an accessory, a reflection of one's status and an ego-boost for some. The decision is then very simple - drop all your rollies for another PP. In the past, people might go WOW when they see a person wearing a daytona...maybe not now anymore.
Oh, luckily your friend didn't suggest dropping all rollies for PAMs....that might trigger chaos :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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Given the parameters of your question,
I would choose to own a variety of good quality watches rather than just one or two good ones. Given that a Patek is offcourse a good brand with a masterful workmanship a Rolex is not something also to look down on. I believe a collection should be diversified. However having said that, if you could have two PP and sell most of your Rolex watches to to but one that would be also be something i would consider.
The best case however would be to own a PP, one Rolex and one other brand for diversification, Maybe VC or AP, than 2 PP only or 2 PP and a Rolex.
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... In the past, people might go WOW when they see a person wearing a daytona...maybe not now anymore.
How true! In the time that I have been wearing a Daytona, I think less than 5 people have commented on it. Nice under-the-radar watch nowadays.
:Cheers:
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Mate,
Question like that is like shooting yourself in the foot. It's too general. What models are we talking about. Is best you describe what kind of collection are we giving up to upgrade or switch whichever you might call it to the 2 Pateks or 1 Patek + few Rolexes.
If not you may get answer like this from me.
"I would gladly give up 2 Patek (a 5711 and a 5196) to own this Rolex ;D
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/DRSD_WS01_zps8c7b68e1.jpg)
I think you have a genuine question to ask, just need to rephrase it a bit and be a little precise. When you do post it on a new thread. Save the confusion on editing this post.
Regard
Tyler
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It depends on what kind of person you are really. If you get bored of your watches fast, I think two watches wouldn't satisfy the urge to pursue a larger collection, of variety.... But if we're talking about PP, these watches are made to last, and can be passed on to the next generation. So to me, 2 of them would suffice my urge to further pursue more timepieces. But then again, I do get itchy fingers, and tend to buy more... In the end of the day, do whatever makes you happy. Simple motto to life. :Cheers:
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Off track a bit here... I want to add something to your statement. Yes, PP watches are made to last but they are no the only one. Rolex and other watches from respectable brands are made to last too if they are well taken of. Probably, PP is the only one that advertise the obvious :)
It depends on what kind of person you are really. If you get bored of your watches fast, I think two watches wouldn't satisfy the urge to pursue a larger collection, of variety.... But if we're talking about PP, these watches are made to last, and can be passed on to the next generation. So to me, 2 of them would suffice my urge to further pursue more timepieces. But then again, I do get itchy fingers, and tend to buy more... In the end of the day, do whatever makes you happy. Simple motto to life. :Cheers:
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The vote result is very obvious.. Where the fun if my collection is only 2 watches? U need T ag least 4-5 watches just like McD got set A, B, C , value meal, happy meal thn baru shiok!!! Just my crappy 2 cents
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Keep at least 1 rolex n sell the remaining, with the money get a 3 hand RO AP. regards tony..
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I agreed with Tony. I will keep a rollie. Indeed, i am keeping one. Keeping it for the sole reason that I can wear it under any rough condition without worrying too much. I am not suggesting that PP cant be daily beater. It could. But I wont wear PP for running or swimming. Rollie, anytime.
I agreed with Alain Chung and he put it this way, we need 3 watches. One daily beater, one sport watch and one for formal occasion. But of course lots of watch these days blur the distinction and they tend to overlapping more and more.
Once you started PP, there is no return. Selling rollies for PP? Anytime. But I will keep one of the sport rollie for use. Other than its resell value which is stable, i dont see any superiority of rollie. So, keep one for work horse and sell the rest for any of the trilogy. They are arts. PP can guarantee service and maintenance. A very serious commitment. But contrary to rollie fans believe, rollie doesnt.
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2 Pateks .
So that when people say "Nice watch"
You can answer them with - you should see my other one ;D
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Variety it is for me. The only thing I cant have more is..... wife. :Laughing_on_floor:
Besides, I wont dare wear a PP to mamak (not that I can afford one). For that matter, I'd also think twice abt wearing a rollie to mamak.. That's when I call on the other supporting artists...
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Variety it is for me. The only thing I cant have more is..... wife. :Laughing_on_floor:
Besides, I wont dare wear a PP to mamak (not that I can afford one). For that matter, I'd also think twice abt wearing a rollie to mamak.. That's when I call on the other supporting artists...
It's all a matter of perspective. I've worn a TT Daytona everywhere and even to nasi kandar at the side of buildings in alleys. I'm sure there are lots more things that draws attention like a flashy car or chunky gold necklace.... :Cheers:
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True. As long as one does not flash it outrageously. Maybe I am phobic from the old strories of robbers chopping off people's hands for rolexes when I was young. :o haha, never verified whether these strories were true.
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I have a Casio G-shock for when I go to someplace iffy or downscale. Even then, people have been robbed for less. Life is random.
That's not even a beater watch... It's a "don't rob me" watch...
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Besides, I wont dare wear a PP to mamak (not that I can afford one). For that matter, I'd also think twice abt wearing a rollie to mamak.. That's when I call on the other supporting artists...
I think at places like mamak stalls, most other patrons don't really care about what watch you are wearing, although watches that are crafted out solid gold with gold bracelets and other precious stones would draw unnecessary attention in those crowds.
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rollie will attract more attention than PP at mamak. PP is not that visible and very few people can recognise it. indeed, even sport rollie ss is safe at mamak.
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rollie will attract more attention than PP at mamak. PP is not that visible and very few people can recognise it. indeed, even sport rollie ss is safe at mamak.
Unless the person who are knows watch very well can spot far far away ;D Real or not, its all different story alltogether ;D
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Some watches like the AP Roo c rubber clad, could be spotted quite easily from a not too far distance. Just my opinion. tony
rollie will attract more attention than PP at mamak. PP is not that visible and very few people can recognise it. indeed, even sport rollie ss is safe at mamak.
Unless the person who are knows watch very well can spot far far away ;D Real or not, its all different story alltogether ;D
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ROO RC is very distinctive to watch lover. But trust me, most of my friends have no clue what is AP. lol.
Anyway, I said that before and must say that again, one can never have enough of PP. One PP is never enough. Let me share some of the pictures from one the PP GTG I attended recently. Trading all rollies for PP? Any time without a shadow of doubt.
almost a complete family of nautilus
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130125-WA0000.jpg)
Hard to find 5550p.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0026.jpg)
Feel so lucky to be able to try on world's only 2914J and the magical minute repeater.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0039.jpg)
I definitely do not mind to have all three of 5960
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0041.jpg)
One is enough? No way.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0037.jpg)
PP is art, rollie is tool watch at most.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0028.jpg)
Extremely popular 5131
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0043.jpg)
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One question, why is it that all the PP are wrapped and some have some sort of tag on them? Do they belong to individuals or are they stocks of a private dealer who join the GTG? Interested to know because they are some really nice PP on show there. Fantastic range on hand. My hand it getting itchy again.
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PP is art, rollie is tool watch at most.
Care to share what's so "arty" about PP? Thanks..
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One question, why is it that all the PP are wrapped and some have some sort of tag on them? Do they belong to individuals or are they stocks of a private dealer who join the GTG? Interested to know because they are some really nice PP on show there. Fantastic range on hand. My hand it getting itchy again.
I think they're investor/collector pieces. It's a shame they were not bought to be worn.
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Some are in plastic because everyone is trying. So, its a precaution that the dial may not get scratch during gtg.
There is only one which is in single sealed. Owner may want to sell it. The watch will cost easily 15k us lesser once he cut the sealed. So he decided to leave it that way. He has so many PP to wear anyway. :D
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Gmac, all the watch has a tag with model number and the owner's name to avoid any confusion or mistake. 8)
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5070, choosing one is gonna be a headache. :P
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0035.jpg)
Elaborate why PP is art? Picture is louder than speak
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0024-1.jpg)
5970r is real beauty. All my watches, car, dog and cat for this beauty? anytime. :D
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q481/iwcking/IMG-20130124-WA0033.jpg)
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5070, choosing one is gonna be a headache. :P
I will go white dial.
5970r is real beauty. All my watches, car, dog and cat for this beauty? anytime. :D
Car, dog and cat but not all my other watches :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I see. Thanks for clarifying. I would absolutely drool if I were to see that many PP in one place. I think the selection there can easily beat any AD in Malaysia. :Laughing_on_floor:
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Can I ask if this gathering was in KL or out of Malaysia?
I asked that because I hardly see any PP owners in mwf since I joined or there are but they keep very silent because there arent any other PP owners around to showcase or discuss PP.
Amazing collection of PPs…. I guess most of the PP owners prefer to have their a gathering of their own. There must be a forum then for all of you to get together.
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I would take the.5070P. :Cheers:
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yeah Gmac, you are right. indeed, I didnt take enough pictures, there are more pieces during the gathering. Also, no way that one is able to try out a minute repeater in AD in msia.
JOS, this gathering is out of Msia. There are quite a number of PP users in this forum too, Gmac, JPSP, Godzilla etc to name a few. But PP is kind of very low profile in Msia generally as msian users generally chase rollie and pam.
dpkong and godzilla, p is the obvious choice as the contrast is nice. But i wont rule out r either. ;D