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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: felixlew on January 08, 2013, 03:09:48 PM
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can any sifu tell me what is the price for Grand Seiko !!!Diver series
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poison time
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.....wao what a grand price .....
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what is the different "G" and no normal seiko ??
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what is the different "G" and no normal seiko ??
one is Grand and one is not ??
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1more question buy at [link to commercial site not allowed - forum mod] izzit save ?
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Hi Felix,
check out grand seiko main website they can provide you more detail.
http://www.grand-seiko.com
Mod please remove if this link is not allow.
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To get an idea of the RRP of current GS prices in Japan, plse refer here:
http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/gs/collection/all.html
In Japan, hardly any discount is given for GS...
Depending on where you buy the discount will vary but it is very much lower than for Swiss/German watches.
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easily, the best and the top quality from Jap watch maker, completely in-houe made, a lot better than most of swiss mid range watch, nuff said ;D
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Not to mention right down to even the oil used is produced by them if not mistaken.
Dont think any other names can say this.
Not even big daddy Swatch or Rolex.
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easily, the best and the top quality from Jap watch maker, completely in-houe made, a lot better than most of swiss mid range watch, nuff said ;D
After examining what you guys brought along during the GTG, I believe the finishing is better than the entry level JLCs and GOs. Would love to get a spring drive. My one remaining concern is of course whether servicing is available locally and the cost of which...... :-\
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easily, the best and the top quality from Jap watch maker, completely in-houe made, a lot better than most of swiss mid range watch, nuff said ;D
After examining what you guys brought along during the GTG, I believe the finishing is better than the entry level JLCs and GOs. Would love to get a spring drive. My one remaining concern is of course whether servicing is available locally and the cost of which...... :-\
as far i know, Spring Drive only can be service in Jap, only one location where the GS born in whole world. current cost for service expecting around 2k plus, exclude postage. overhaul (service + Zaratsu polish) would be around 3k plus :)
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as far i know, Spring Drive only can be service in Jap, only one location where the GS born in whole world. current cost for service expecting around 2k plus, exclude postage. overhaul (service + Zaratsu polish) would be around 3k plus :)
Thanks for the useful information. :thumbsup: Guess we'll just have to factor that cost in (as usual!!!) before making the purchase....
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GS is all about being functional and practical, yet classical in design. Movement quality is definitely in the top echelon supported by the GS standard. Finishing of the dial, markers, hands all need to be seen in the flesh (preferably with some natural sun light) to be fully appreciated - photos do not do justice to such fine workmanship over dim lighting. In particular, I like the contrast of a blue second hand over a crisp white dial, as seen in Jos hi-beat (sbgh001) and manual wind (sbgw033), this I think GS has honed to perfection.
I am not concerned over servicing as Seiko makes the most reliable movement vis-a-vis its Swiss counterparts. Although 3 years is recommended for GS mechanical for servicing, I think stretching to 5-6 years should not be a problem given some regular usage.
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Enkidu,
You worry too much.
Before I bought my first SD, I googled for months on any adverse reports on SD, reading hundreds of reviews & owners' reports
Although SD has been sold since 1995, there has only been 1 adverse report on a SBGE001 which reported that the PR could not reach full 3 days reserve and the watch kept stopping. That was also the first batch of the SBGE001.
The GS SD winding mechanism is no different from the other GS mechanical watches using the mainspring to wind/power the watch.
Only the Swiss lever escapement ( even the Swiss are trying to improve this 200 yr old design by using DRIE/MEM etching technology combined with silicium or DLC coatings) is replaced by the tri-syncro regulator. The defect for that particular SBGE001 was not the SD mechanism itself i.e. the tri syncro regulator which is the only diffrentiating element between an SD and a purely mechanical auto. We don't even know if that defect was caused by owner's handling/operating not within recommended practices.... Anyway even if 1 or 2 defects reported is amazing itself...
How many horror stories have you read on other hi-end Swiss watches...
Most Swiss/German (e.g. GO,JLC) in-house movt watches have to be sent back to the manufactory itself for service as well and will cost between RM 1,500-RM 3,000 (non complication) whereas the GS service for Malaysia is abt USD 500+shipping. When its time to send any GS for service, just send it to Thong Sia in Malaysia or Singapore and they will courier it to Japan. Time taken between 1-2 months. I've checked with Thong Sia Spore & KL. Incidentally I was told that to-date no GS has been sent back for service or repairs although there are a number of Malaysian owners who bought them overseas. By the way GS recommended service is between 5-8 yrs depending on whether you wear the watch daily or not.
The SD is very hi-tech and can only be serviced by Seiko in Japan. In fact I've always wanted my watches to go back to its manufactory even if the local distributor can do the job....
So far I insist that all my JLC/GO goes back to their manufactory when its time for service or repairs (altho no repairs so far). The only watches I had serviced locally was a) my Omega PO Chrono which is no hi-end watch with a common FP1185 based Cal 3313 b) a ubiquitious 7750 driven B&R by Sinn
When its time to service the GS I will gladly and with peace of mind, send it back to Japan where it will be fully restored to its factory finished glory... :laugh:
I know the Japanese work mentality very well as I've worked for a Japanese MNC for > a decade and have my highest respect for them. They always give 200% of their best efforts...and take pride in everything they do...no matter how menial..I'm afraid MOST locals and some caucasians don't come anywhere near that mentality....
Honestly would you prefer your GO to be serviced by SWATCH in KL or in Germany at GO manufactory...any difference between that and a GS.... or you still think that GS is a lesser watch... :HammerHead:
easily, the best and the top quality from Jap watch maker, completely in-houe made, a lot better than most of swiss mid range watch, nuff said ;D
After examining what you guys brought along during the GTG, I believe the finishing is better than the entry level JLCs and GOs. Would love to get a spring drive. My one remaining concern is of course whether servicing is available locally and the cost of which...... :-\
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Not worrying too much, Joe. It's just that like all transactions involving unique, novel or specialised products, more care must be exercised before taking the plunge. The SD GS will be around for years to come, so there is no real need to rush into it. I will only agree in so far that there are not many complaints over the internet in English, I do not know if there are any complaints written in Japanese by people in Japan where the very large percentage of the SD watches are sold.
I agree I'll prefer to have my GOs, JLCs, Zeniths, etc serviced at the factories, especially if the problem encountered is serious, requiring major change in parts and major parts. But I also prefer the opportunity to visit a local service centre to have potential minor issues resolved (like watch running a little off, the hands do not line up 100%, gasket changes etc).
Of course, I dont think GS is a lesser watch compared to a high grade Swiss/German timepiece. But that doesn't warrant not making careful enquiries before taking the plunge.
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Your comments, concerns and enquiries are duly noted and I do see your valid issues.
My reply to your post was also in part to share whatever info I have on the servicing costs & time taken...
It was not meant to playdown your points...chill....
Will try to enlist in a Japanese class and assist for Japanese reports if you have not bought a SD by then.. :D ;D :Laughing_on_floor:
Not worrying too much, Joe. It's just that like all transactions involving unique, novel or specialised products, more care must be exercised before taking the plunge. The SD GS will be around for years to come, so there is no real need to rush into it. I will only agree in so far that there are not many complaints over the internet in English, I do not know if there are any complaints written in Japanese by people in Japan where the very large percentage of the SD watches are sold.
I agree I'll prefer to have my GOs, JLCs, Zeniths, etc serviced at the factories, especially if the problem encountered is serious, requiring major change in parts and major parts. But I also prefer the opportunity to visit a local service centre to have potential minor issues resolved (like watch running a little off, the hands do not line up 100%, gasket changes etc).
Of course, I dont think GS is a lesser watch compared to a high grade Swiss/German timepiece. But that doesn't warrant not making careful enquiries before taking the plunge.
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Your comments, concerns and enquiries are duly noted and I do see your valid points..
Will try to enlist in a Japanese class and assist for Japanese reports if you have not bought a SD by then.. :D ;D :Laughing_on_floor:
And once you have enrolled in a Japanese class, I'll also bring some of the more "fleshy" Japanese magazines to you for translation. You can read them out to me at Starbucks pavilion.....
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Read out to you ???
What for?
Just ogle at the pics and save your energy reading instead to turn the pages slowly while trying not to drool.... :Cheers:
Your comments, concerns and enquiries are duly noted and I do see your valid points..
Will try to enlist in a Japanese class and assist for Japanese reports if you have not bought a SD by then.. :D ;D :Laughing_on_floor:
And once you have enrolled in a Japanese class, I'll also bring some of the more "fleshy" Japanese magazines to you for translation. You can read them out to me at Starbucks pavilion.....
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+1 well said
Enkidu,
You worry too much.
Before I bought my first SD, I googled for months on any adverse reports on SD, reading hundreds of reviews & owners' reports
Although SD has been sold since 1995, there has only been 1 adverse report on a SBGE001 which reported that the PR could not reach full 3 days reserve and the watch kept stopping. That was also the first batch of the SBGE001.
The GS SD winding mechanism is no different from the other GS mechanical watches using the mainspring to wind/power the watch.
Only the Swiss lever escapement ( even the Swiss are trying to improve this 200 yr old design by using DRIE/MEM etching technology combined with silicium or DLC coatings) is replaced by the tri-syncro regulator. The defect for that particular SBGE001 was not the SD mechanism itself i.e. the tri syncro regulator which is the only diffrentiating element between an SD and a purely mechanical auto. We don't even know if that defect was caused by owner's handling/operating not within recommended practices.... Anyway even if 1 or 2 defects reported is amazing itself...
How many horror stories have you read on other hi-end Swiss watches...
Most Swiss/German (e.g. GO,JLC) in-house movt watches have to be sent back to the manufactory itself for service as well and will cost between RM 1,500-RM 3,000 (non complication) whereas the GS service for Malaysia is abt USD 500+shipping. When its time to send any GS for service, just send it to Thong Sia in Malaysia or Singapore and they will courier it to Japan. Time taken between 1-2 months. I've checked with Thong Sia Spore & KL. Incidentally I was told that to-date no GS has been sent back for service or repairs although there are a number of Malaysian owners who bought them overseas. By the way GS recommended service is between 5-8 yrs depending on whether you wear the watch daily or not.
The SD is very hi-tech and can only be serviced by Seiko in Japan. In fact I've always wanted my watches to go back to its manufactory even if the local distributor can do the job....
So far I insist that all my JLC/GO goes back to their manufactory when its time for service or repairs (altho no repairs so far). The only watches I had serviced locally was a) my Omega PO Chrono which is no hi-end watch with a common FP1185 based Cal 3313 b) a ubiquitious 7750 driven B&R by Sinn
When its time to service the GS I will gladly and with peace of mind, send it back to Japan where it will be fully restored to its factory finished glory... :laugh:
I know the Japanese work mentality very well as I've worked for a Japanese MNC for > a decade and have my highest respect for them. They always give 200% of their best efforts...and take pride in everything they do...no matter how menial..I'm afraid MOST locals and some caucasians don't come anywhere near that mentality....
Honestly would you prefer your GO to be serviced by SWATCH in KL or in Germany at GO manufactory...any difference between that and a GS.... or you still think that GS is a lesser watch... :HammerHead:
easily, the best and the top quality from Jap watch maker, completely in-houe made, a lot better than most of swiss mid range watch, nuff said ;D
After examining what you guys brought along during the GTG, I believe the finishing is better than the entry level JLCs and GOs. Would love to get a spring drive. My one remaining concern is of course whether servicing is available locally and the cost of which...... :-\
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Takashi, someone had told me that the oil used in high end mechanical Seikos was a primary reason for them lasting longer between service intervals, whereas those in Rolex tend to degrade faster, thus requiring more regular servicing. Not sure how true this is.
Not to mention right down to even the oil used is produced by them if not mistaken.
Dont think any other names can say this.
Not even big daddy Swatch or Rolex.
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Enkidu,
You worry too much.
Before I bought my first SD, I googled for months on any adverse reports on SD, reading hundreds of reviews & owners' reports
Although SD has been sold since 1995, there has only been 1 adverse report on a SBGE001 which reported that the PR could not reach full 3 days reserve and the watch kept stopping. That was also the first batch of the SBGE001.
The GS SD winding mechanism is no different from the other GS mechanical watches using the mainspring to wind/power the watch.
Only the Swiss lever escapement ( even the Swiss are trying to improve this 200 yr old design by using DRIE/MEM etching technology combined with silicium or DLC coatings) is replaced by the tri-syncro regulator. The defect for that particular SBGE001 was not the SD mechanism itself i.e. the tri syncro regulator which is the only diffrentiating element between an SD and a purely mechanical auto. We don't even know if that defect was caused by owner's handling/operating not within recommended practices.... Anyway even if 1 or 2 defects reported is amazing itself...
How many horror stories have you read on other hi-end Swiss watches...
Most Swiss/German (e.g. GO,JLC) in-house movt watches have to be sent back to the manufactory itself for service as well and will cost between RM 1,500-RM 3,000 (non complication) whereas the GS service for Malaysia is abt USD 500+shipping. When its time to send any GS for service, just send it to Thong Sia in Malaysia or Singapore and they will courier it to Japan. Time taken between 1-2 months. I've checked with Thong Sia Spore & KL. Incidentally I was told that to-date no GS has been sent back for service or repairs although there are a number of Malaysian owners who bought them overseas. By the way GS recommended service is between 5-8 yrs depending on whether you wear the watch daily or not.
The SD is very hi-tech and can only be serviced by Seiko in Japan. In fact I've always wanted my watches to go back to its manufactory even if the local distributor can do the job....
So far I insist that all my JLC/GO goes back to their manufactory when its time for service or repairs (altho no repairs so far). The only watches I had serviced locally was a) my Omega PO Chrono which is no hi-end watch with a common FP1185 based Cal 3313 b) a ubiquitious 7750 driven B&R by Sinn
When its time to service the GS I will gladly and with peace of mind, send it back to Japan where it will be fully restored to its factory finished glory... :laugh:
I know the Japanese work mentality very well as I've worked for a Japanese MNC for > a decade and have my highest respect for them. They always give 200% of their best efforts...and take pride in everything they do...no matter how menial..I'm afraid MOST locals and some caucasians don't come anywhere near that mentality....
Honestly would you prefer your GO to be serviced by SWATCH in KL or in Germany at GO manufactory...any difference between that and a GS.... or you still think that GS is a lesser watch... :HammerHead:
Friends, this is an interesting thread. hopefully the knowledgable members here can make this thread instructive to all lovers of high end seiko like the gs.
although i really love the gs spring drive (especially the GMT model), i have not pulled the trigger. i do not doubt the spring drive is great tech and soon all watches in the 21 century may be made using this tech or something closely the same. but like enkidu said, servicing may be an issue. sometimes, we are just plain unlucky and buy a watch with many minor problems that surface one after another. the last thing i want is to send the watch multiple times to Japan or Taiwan for service and repair...... so until seiko create a service centre for spring drive in singapore or kuala lumpur, i will wait.....and yes, my friend from taipei told me seiko service centre in taipei can service grand seiko (not sure if this include spring drive.... ::))
God bless,
harken
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harken,
Nice to hear from another GS fan. :Cheers:
Heard you have a treasure trove of vintage GSs......care to share pics of all your GS, vintage or modern... :Praying:
You have a ready buyer for a mint condition GS vintage at a fair price here...'muah' :Jumping:
BTW although Seiko Taiwan can service a GS, its not much nearer than Tokyo so I'd still send the GS back to its motherland.. :laugh:
not unless the owner goes to Taiwan often....
We should organise a GS gathering soon.. I know of at least 5 mwf members owning GS and a few others keen on acquiring one..
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If this website tell my mind correctly, no others place than Japan can perform the service of GS watches.
http://www.grand-seiko.com/afterservice.html
Of course hope this website up to date. According to the booklet in the box if you purchase this lovely piece. All offices around the world are Service Reception only. Japan is the only place label with Service Available, which is currently 3 of them.
Only minor adjustment, strap replacement or battery change can be done at National Service Center.
Ya Jos, is good to have GS gathering.
harken,
Nice to hear from another GS fan. :Cheers:
Heard you have a treasure trove of vintage GSs......care to share pics of all your GS, vintage or modern... :Praying:
You have a ready buyer for a mint condition GS vintage at a fair price here...'muah' :Jumping:
BTW although Seiko Taiwan can service a GS, its not much nearer than Tokyo so I'd still send the GS back to its motherland.. :laugh:
not unless the owner goes to Taiwan often....
We should organise a GS gathering soon.. I know of at least 5 mwf members owning GS and a few others keen on acquiring one..
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harken,
Nice to hear from another GS fan. :Cheers:
Heard you have a treasure trove of vintage GSs......care to share pics of all your GS, vintage or modern... :Praying:
You have a ready buyer for a mint condition GS vintage at a fair price here...'muah' :Jumping:
BTW although Seiko Taiwan can service a GS, its not much nearer than Tokyo so I'd still send the GS back to its motherland.. :laugh:
not unless the owner goes to Taiwan often....
We should organise a GS gathering soon.. I know of at least 5 mwf members owning GS and a few others keen on acquiring one..
Bro jos2012,
My collection is small. There are some people with very large gs collection in Malaysia. Keeping quiet!!
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I'm not surprised...
If you know them, do some of us here a favour and organise a GS gathering for us to view and learn from them...
:thumbsup:
Bro jos2012,
My collection is small. There are some people with very large gs collection in Malaysia. Keeping quiet!!
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thx to all sifu and master of watch
you all really open my eye sight ,and lots of pro advise.....
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in sunway there is a premeir shop izzit?
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Sunway LG has a GS counter next to a Seiko AD...but not many choices of GS....
in sunway there is a premeir shop izzit?
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Your comments, concerns and enquiries are duly noted and I do see your valid points..
Will try to enlist in a Japanese class and assist for Japanese reports if you have not bought a SD by then.. :D ;D :Laughing_on_floor:
And once you have enrolled in a Japanese class, I'll also bring some of the more "fleshy" Japanese magazines to you for translation. You can read them out to me at Starbucks pavilion.....
Will they be wearing watches in the magazines???
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I'm not surprised...
If you know them, do some of us here a favour and organise a GS gathering for us to view and learn from them...
:thumbsup:
Bro jos2012,
My collection is small. There are some people with very large gs collection in Malaysia. Keeping quiet!!
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Bro jos2012, actually I met up with enkidu and another Seiko fan from scwf over new year period. Mainly to see grand Seiko. We did ask whether it''ll be good to have gs gtg but then reckoned it will not be good bcos then we will be seen by other members as become exclusive club. Better let the mods organise a general gtg and we bring our gs so more people can appreciate. Just our view then......
God bless
Harken
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Anyone and everyone welcome to organize gtg.
Not only the mods.
Go ahead...we are very open here.
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ah, GS gathering....the poison starts attacking me....slowly but surely. ...
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Sunway LG has a GS counter next to a Seiko AD...but not many choices of GS....
in sunway there is a premeir shop izzit?
Actually there is 1 watch shop at Paradigm selling GS too, quite a range there. Just next to Starbucks.
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I have never look at Seiko the way i look at it now after kena poison from you guys :laugh:
Anyway, i saw this vintage beauty selling by a japanese seller for 1.4K USD , was wondering if it is a good price to pull the trigger ?
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/BF6016C8-9482-46D0-8F1B-E8DE168D6A1D-10111-000010F0E8C14ACB.jpg)
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/ECB0D9FB-AAA4-419C-8ABB-5A7735490058-10111-000010F0F8222C0B.jpg)
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/1C55AB1C-7F0C-4F1A-9849-0BE42F073153-10111-000010F0FE2E27CE.jpg)
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I have never look at Seiko the way i look at it now after kena poison from you guys :laugh:
Anyway, i saw this vintage beauty selling by a japanese seller for 1.4K USD , was wondering if it is a good price to pull the trigger ?
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/BF6016C8-9482-46D0-8F1B-E8DE168D6A1D-10111-000010F0E8C14ACB.jpg)
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/ECB0D9FB-AAA4-419C-8ABB-5A7735490058-10111-000010F0F8222C0B.jpg)
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/1C55AB1C-7F0C-4F1A-9849-0BE42F073153-10111-000010F0FE2E27CE.jpg)
Hi, Raymond,
USD1.4k sounds a bit on the high side. Is the dial original to the watch or re-finished? If the latter, then the value will be negatively affected further.
Please also check the gold GS medallion on the case-back. Is it in good condition? This is very important. Make sure the gold medallion also has the Daini symbol (like that on the dial) and not the Suwa symbol. Some japanese sellers take us gaijins for idiots.
If I am correct, movement-case number for this piece should be 4522-7000. Please check the case back for this number (written on the horse shoe).
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Hi Enkidu,
According to the seller , the dial was "refinished by professional" before it was put on sale.
Got another pic of the caseback which says "4520-7000" :o , does that mean the watch it not in its original parts?
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/1A179071-0C3E-4E8E-8358-608BBB0A5AFF-10111-000010F0FB9B5882.jpg)
Luckily i got a forum like this to fall back to for advice :thumbsup:
btw , my bad , the seller is actually not japanese but taiwanese.
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Hi Enkidu,
According to the seller , the dial was "refinished by professional" before it was put on sale.
Got another pic of the caseback which says "4520-7000" :o , does that mean the watch it not in its original parts?
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/1A179071-0C3E-4E8E-8358-608BBB0A5AFF-10111-000010F0FB9B5882.jpg)
Luckily i got a forum like this to fall back to for advice :thumbsup:
btw , my bad , the seller is actually not japanese but taiwanese.
My deepest apology. :HammerHead: This is a non-date model. So 4520-7000 is correct. This model was made largely from 1968-1970. So the serial number - August 1969 - appears to be consistent. And yes, watches from those years says "waterproof" and not "water-resistant". Gold medallion looks OK with Daini symbol.
But USD1.4K for a refinished dial HW GS is on the high side definitely. IMHO, "Professionally refinished" means very little or nothing. Of course, it must be professionally refinished. I am sure it won't be described as "unprofessionally refinished". At the end of the day, it's still a refinished dial and its value depreciates accordingly because of that. :laugh:
If I were you, I'll let this one pass. That's just my own opinion of course. ;)
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Guess I will give it a pass as well , thanks enkidu ! :thumbsup:
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Bro, 1400usd is way too high. Maybe 500 to 700usd only because 'rfinished dial.
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hi harkensng,
actually there is no diff when members pm each other to organise private gatherings of which there have been several.
My suggestion of an organised GS themed gathering is out in the open where anyone having an interest to talk GS/Credor is welcomed to join and also showcase and share their prized GS/Credors.
I'd love it if members set up other brand specific gatherings as most of us own several brands anyway...
Your opinion of course is duly noted and I must say that you are a very diplomatic guy unlike my redneckedness.
Bro jos2012,
My collection is small. There are some people with very large gs collection in Malaysia. Keeping quiet!!
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Bro jos2012, actually I met up with enkidu and another Seiko fan from scwf over new year period. Mainly to see grand Seiko. We did ask whether it''ll be good to have gs gtg but then reckoned it will not be good bcos then we will be seen by other members as become exclusive club. Better let the mods organise a general gtg and we bring our gs so more people can appreciate. Just our view then......
God bless
Harken
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Hi Enkidu,
According to the seller , the dial was "refinished by professional" before it was put on sale.
Got another pic of the caseback which says "4520-7000" :o , does that mean the watch it not in its original parts?
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s602/raymond_62/1A179071-0C3E-4E8E-8358-608BBB0A5AFF-10111-000010F0FB9B5882.jpg)
Luckily i got a forum like this to fall back to for advice :thumbsup:
btw , my bad , the seller is actually not japanese but taiwanese.
My deepest apology. :HammerHead: This is a non-date model. So 4520-7000 is correct. This model was made largely from 1968-1970. So the serial number - August 1969 - appears to be consistent. And yes, watches from those years says "waterproof" and not "water-resistant". Gold medallion looks OK with Daini symbol.
But USD1.4K for a refinished dial HW GS is on the high side definitely. IMHO, "Professionally refinished" means very little or nothing. Of course, it must be professionally refinished. I am sure it won't be described as "unprofessionally refinished". At the end of the day, it's still a refinished dial and its value depreciates accordingly because of that. :laugh:
If I were you, I'll let this one pass. That's just my own opinion of course. ;)
I wonder how you can tell that this is Aug 1969 from the serial number of 980016?
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hey guys,
can i check if SBGE001 and SBGA071 come with quick set date function? I can't find it in website and i don't have the time yet to to the boutique to check it out.
Thanks
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hey guys,
can i check if SBGE001 and SBGA071 come with quick set date function? I can't find it in website and i don't have the time yet to to the boutique to check it out.
Thanks
from the crown ? yes the 1st pull out like most of watch :)
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not too sure about the GMT, u may look into the manual :)
http://www.seikowatches.com/support/ib/pdf/SEIKO_9R66_GS.pdf
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not too sure about the GMT, u may look into the manual :)
http://www.seikowatches.com/support/ib/pdf/SEIKO_9R66_GS.pdf
Thanks david! I just checked out Seiko's website to download the instruction manual (didn't know they've that information available). According to the instructions, seems like for spring drive diver watch has quick set date function but for spring drive GMT one doesn't have quick set date function. I prefer watches with quick set date function.
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For SD GMT, you turn the hour hand 2 full turns clockwise to increase by one day - at times can take quite a bit longer if you're used to quick set.
not too sure about the GMT, u may look into the manual :)
http://www.seikowatches.com/support/ib/pdf/SEIKO_9R66_GS.pdf
Thanks david! I just checked out Seiko's website to download the instruction manual (didn't know they've that information available). According to the instructions, seems like for spring drive diver watch has quick set date function but for spring drive GMT one doesn't have quick set date function. I prefer watches with quick set date function.
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My suggestion of an organised GS themed gathering is out in the open where anyone having an interest to talk GS/Credor is welcomed to join and also showcase and share their prized GS/Credors.
I want in ! ;D
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James,
true GMTs means the date will advance or retard in line with the hours hands forwarded or retarded in 1 hourly steps to show the actual date of your current destination away from home.
AFAIK the other true GMTs like the Rollie GMT II works the same way. To-date true GMTs do not have a rapid date changer as the mechanism of having both a rapid date changer as well as the date being able to be forwarded or retarded without damaging the date changing mechanism has not been developed.
Non-true GMTs have the rapid date changer but their dates cannot be retarded backwards when the hands are retarded backwards in hourly steps if I'm not wrong..
Can anyone advise me if the UN GMT (developed yrs back when Ludwig Oeschlin- who is a genius- was at UN) can do both...?
My previous B&R by Sinn which uses a modified 7750 with an extra hour hand (note I didn't say its a GMT) is able to show 2 hour zones. The date could not be retarded but could be advanced with the rapid date changer which means you need to advance the next full month cycle to arrive back at just 1 date before..
I stand corrected...
For SD GMT, you turn the hour hand 2 full turns clockwise to increase by one day - at times can take quite a bit longer if you're used to quick set.
not too sure about the GMT, u may look into the manual :)
http://www.seikowatches.com/support/ib/pdf/SEIKO_9R66_GS.pdf
Thanks david! I just checked out Seiko's website to download the instruction manual (didn't know they've that information available). According to the instructions, seems like for spring drive diver watch has quick set date function but for spring drive GMT one doesn't have quick set date function. I prefer watches with quick set date function.
It's really disappointing that the GMT doesn't have quick set function when i finally tracked down SBGE021 and intended to pay for it...the other Seiko GMTs are smaller in size unfortunately (i prefer 42mm min). Am i correct to say all GS spring drive GMT don't have quick set date function?
SBGA071 is a very nice piece too but i've too many divers watch.... :-\
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James,
true GMTs means the date will advance or retard in line with the hours hands forwarded or retarded in 1 hourly steps to show the actual date of your current destination away from home.
AFAIK the other true GMTs like the Rollie GMT II works the same way. To-date true GMTs do not have a rapid date changer as the mechanism of having both a rapid date changer as well as the date being able to be forwarded or retarded without damaging the date changing mechanism has not been developed.
Non-true GMTs have the rapid date changer but their dates cannot be retarded backwards when the hands are retarded backwards in hourly steps if I'm not wrong..
Can anyone advise me if the UN GMT (developed yrs back when Ludwig Oeschlin- who is a genius- was at UN) can do both...?
My previous B&R by Sinn which uses a modified 7750 with an extra hour hand (note I didn't say its a GMT) is able to show 2 hour zones. The date could not be retarded but could be advanced with the rapid date changer which means you need to advance the next full month cycle to arrive back at just 1 date before..
I stand corrected...
For SD GMT, you turn the hour hand 2 full turns clockwise to increase by one day - at times can take quite a bit longer if you're used to quick set.
not too sure about the GMT, u may look into the manual :)
http://www.seikowatches.com/support/ib/pdf/SEIKO_9R66_GS.pdf
Thanks david! I just checked out Seiko's website to download the instruction manual (didn't know they've that information available). According to the instructions, seems like for spring drive diver watch has quick set date function but for spring drive GMT one doesn't have quick set date function. I prefer watches with quick set date function.
It's really disappointing that the GMT doesn't have quick set function when i finally tracked down SBGE021 and intended to pay for it...the other Seiko GMTs are smaller in size unfortunately (i prefer 42mm min). Am i correct to say all GS spring drive GMT don't have quick set date function?
SBGA071 is a very nice piece too but i've too many divers watch.... :-\
Thanks!
BTW, UN GMT can do both with the +/- pushers...sold it off few years ago.
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The Grand Seiko Standard of precision and reliability was set at a level higher than any yet achieved by Seiko.
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Hi all, may I know the difference between GS and Credor? Havent heard of Credor till about couple of months back when 1 came up for sale.
Cheers
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Hi all, may I know the difference between GS and Credor? Havent heard of Credor till about couple of months back when 1 came up for sale.
Cheers
Just 2 different brand... The brand name already different
Logo also different... Price range and positioning also different
Just both Epson seiko own
Credor more to dress watch with special finishing by national artist
So it is an art piece
While GS is the most accurate, reliable, highest level of finishing daily watch from seiko
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Thanks Chris. Is Credor generally more expensive between the two? Love the GS. Can feel the quality in them.
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Thanks Chris. Is Credor generally more expensive between the two? Love the GS. Can feel the quality in them.
Yes
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although i really love the gs spring drive (especially the GMT model), i have not pulled the trigger. i do not doubt the spring drive is great tech and soon all watches in the 21 century may be made using this tech or something closely the same.
Hi, Harken, I don't recall reading this sentence earlier....or was it just me and my selective reading!! :laugh:
Granted, the GS is gorgeously beautiful and the SD technology is interesting, but you seem to have over-stated its (SD's) impact. At the end of the day, it's still a quartz crystal oscillator controlled watch. You can't run away from that. Perhaps the power source is different (battery vs. main spring), but the SD is still a quartz crystal oscillator watch at the end of the day.
I know the smooth sweeping second hand in the SD is often touted as fascinating. But Seiko (and maybe citizen also) perfected that technology years ago using existing quartz technology. Yes, Seiko made a quartz with sweeping second hand years ago (1980's & 1990's) with the 5S21 movement......
http://home.watchprosite.com/?show=nblog.post&ti=437651
....but your battery will be drained out prety quickly believe. ;D
Here's a youtube showing the 5S21 in action.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILwR73_MrJE
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Does it look weird if i mount GS SD GMT on rubber strap? Anyone done it before and have a pic to share?
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Yes, Loo you are correct 5s21 also has sweep second hand. But still think sd is the way forward. Environment friendly and quartz accuracy ;)
God bless,
Harken
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I think it should be a good match if the rubber is patterned/textured like in IWC Portuguese Chronograph, in black to match the bezel. If not mistaken, Hirsch does carry some pricey rubber straps. Personally I would prefer a high quality matte alligator waterproof leather strap over the standard SS band, as the SD GMT is more classy/smart casual.
Does it look weird if i mount GS SD GMT on rubber strap? Anyone done it before and have a pic to share?
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Grand Seiko Spring Drive GMT White Dial S/Steel Auto 40mm
preowned is around price ??? all sifu help???
:mooning:
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any new GS fans ? any idea whether currently the GS servicing must be send to japan or can be done at Thong Sia ?
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Not pro here should be around RM20K+ for SBGA029, remember it's in "Grand" price :Laughing_on_floor: