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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: tonykpk on July 21, 2012, 02:29:12 PM
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I'm sure some of our fellow Mwf. will have experience of boxes peeling off,some rotting n some even broke into sooth .My rolex green box got one side peeled off when it got stick together when i try to open it. After paying so much for a watch n you get something like that it really boiled you up . I also have this peeling problem with my dark blue ML box , fortis. For me i think Panerai made one of the best watch boxes in consideration with materials used . In future i think watch boxes should be made with climate treated materials. Any of u guys n gals have this experience to share or are there any precautions to take???
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Yes. That day when I took out the azimuth watch box for selling the watch
The box outer plastic is peeling off... Lucky buyer is a type of person who say he do not need box! He jus want the warranty card!!!
Beside pams...
My ecw come withan genuine leather box n cert cover
The ennebi wooden box is fantastic n will last 100 yrs
Last time my first edition of the iwc Portuguese 7days also come with a wooden box made from local wood there...
Or better with mih... It came with newspaper wrapping...
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my Tag Heuer box, supposedly to be leather, also peeled
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Hahaha.. I have to admit I suffered from the same problem as well. Now, before I store any of my leather watch boxes, I will wipe it with some leather conditioner. That way, the leather (or in most cases, leatherette / PU) stays supple longer and doesn't peel as easily. Do this once every year (like how you take care of your sofa) and the boxes will last a long time.
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thanks timenut, but i did as what you do n i even put a canister of dehumidifier with some moth balls.I think its the material used..
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For Rolex Boxes...the tips and tricks are to put a paper or some sort of foam sheet in between the lower and upper lid when you close it.
By doing this, it will not "peeled" anymore. :thumbsup:
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Surprisingly I don't seem to face the same problem. My oldest, a Seiko 5 box of 1997 still looks the same. I suspect it must be the level of humidity when it is kept. :angel:
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Surprisingly I don't seem to face the same problem. My oldest, a Seiko 5 box of 1997 still looks the same. I suspect it must be the level of humidity when it is kept. :angel:
Seiko 5 use plastic box right?
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Surprisingly I don't seem to face the same problem. My oldest, a Seiko 5 box of 1997 still looks the same. I suspect it must be the level of humidity when it is kept. :angel:
Seiko 5 use plastic box right?
Mine was still the cardboard version..the newer Seiko 5s uses plastic.
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Surprisingly I don't seem to face the same problem. My oldest, a Seiko 5 box of 1997 still looks the same. I suspect it must be the level of humidity when it is kept. :angel:
Seiko 5 use plastic box right?
Mine was still the cardboard version..the newer Seiko 5s uses plastic.
I don't think card board will peel off
leather also won't peel off, But crack or fungus grow...
Outer box Pu also crack n outer layer peeling off by force or on edges
The peeling off part normally is the inner box those spun/cushion outer leather alike finishing...
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I think the worst packaging is Rolex vis-a-vis its price n branding. I had the same problem until I have decided to keep it in my bookcase cupboard which is cool but dry. The last time when I checked(bout 1 year back), it is alright.
Sm
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i wonder what % of watch buyers or specifically, Rolex buyers actually keep the box. i'm sure that Rolex is smart enough to know a very low number of their buyers actually value the box. if i am not mistaken, the earlier Rolex Day-Date models came in much nicer leather boxes compared to now.
why spend more on a box when few buyers actually keep it? lower profits and more rubbish to recycle...
:Cheers:
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I actually keep all the boxes. Some incl the outer boxes. Well, sometimes for 20k+, the Rolex box really dissapoint me. The earlier ones are better, imo. At least the inside cover is veneer finished, I am not comparing the box size. The current internal finished is felt-like fabric, so imitable n lack the finished passion.
The base, without a protective layer, will easier tear or worn off.
Well, Rolex is still the brand and they are selling. Maybe if and when the sales staggered, who knows what they will do......
Sm
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Thank you guys for sharing your experience , much appreciated. A friend of mine who stayed in a 22nd floor apartment doesn't have this problem, maybe it's because of the humidity..
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Thank you guys for sharing your experience , much appreciated. A friend of mine who stayed in a 22nd floor apartment doesn't have this problem, maybe it's because of the humidity..
I don't think so.., it's due to
Salty + wet
Ur fren in 22nd flr jus not hum sub enuf
Lol
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For the kind of money that we pay, i must say that rolex box is really cheapskate. :mooning:
I mean placing it next to other watches which are of comparable monetary value such as panerai, iwc etc... you will appreciate that rolex is really trying to rip us off. :thumbsdown:
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Rolex rip you off?
Pam with ETA and nice box not ripping you off?
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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Rolex rip you off?
Pam with ETA and nice box not ripping you off?
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
Lol. I never have any issue with ETA movement. :Laughing_on_floor:
Also, I never say Pam is not a rip off. :Laughing_on_floor:
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A post by fellow MWF , Meoramri ,recently of a site selling China made watch movements, well for a chonograph movement it only cost rm 80.00. I think for the Swiss made watches the profit margin is very very very high.
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A post by fellow MWF , Meoramri ,recently of a site selling China made watch movements, well for a chonograph movement it only cost rm 80.00. I think for the Swiss made watches the profit margin is very very very high.
Price are set according to the perception of the brand. Eg Rolex = ppl think is high end. That why rolex set the price to match ppl perception. It will be totally wrong if rolex set the watch price at the lower spectrum :police:
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A post by fellow MWF , Meoramri ,recently of a site selling China made watch movements, well for a chonograph movement it only cost rm 80.00. I think for the Swiss made watches the profit margin is very very very high.
what's the GDP of China compared to Switzerland? what's the average wage? you cannot compare apples and oranges.
oh dear.. going OT...
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For the kind of money that we pay, i must say that rolex box is really cheapskate. :mooning:
I mean placing it next to other watches which are of comparable monetary value such as panerai, iwc etc... you will appreciate that rolex is really trying to rip us off. :thumbsdown:
maybe you would be happier if Rolex provided genuine leather lined boxes made of mahogany and raised prices by a few hundred RM??
for me, boxes are good if you were buying a gift. for my own use, i wouldn't need a box and prefer a good discount.
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Assuming the Ball fireman and ML pontos chrono selling at almost the same range., how much do you think their movement, the ETA 7750 cost? My guess is maybe around rm 1 k... We cannot compare gdp, if we do how come the cars in malaysia is selling higher than the whole EU ? And how come the property prices in Shanghai is almost the same as New york if not higher? To the watch manufacture , i think the bottom line is how much profit are we going to make rather than how much this piece is worth..
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Originally the previous Rolex box was made of leather . They should maintain or improve from there n not back paddle or down grade their quality...
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T he point of argument is simple as Abc. Most people will construe that after paying so much for a piece of high end watch, anything that comes with the watch should be of equal quality, and weather they want to keep or throw away the box is up to them. Nobody throw away a rol box anyway, you need to pay over rm. 200.00 for a used one.
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T he point of argument is simple as Abc. Most people will construe that after paying so much for a piece of high end watch, anything that comes with the watch should be of equal quality, and weather they want to keep or throw away the box is up to them. Nobody throw away a rol box anyway, you need to pay over rm. 200.00 for a used one.
Yes, that's true.
So, an used Rollie box (which is peeled) will aslso cost as much, I suspect.
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haa haa nobody would want to buy a damaged box.lol
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really going OT...
1. property market in Malaysia is grossly over-speculated especially in the Klang Valley.
2. cars in Malaysia cost much more than EU because of "taxes"
now, back to watches.
Rolex does not need to spend more money to make nice, expensive boxes because their watches will sell even if it came in a plastic case. Oh wait a minute, it DOES come shipped in a plastic case...
Now if I were a manufacturer and I know my products will sell even if the packaging was cheap and I saved money on it, why wouldn't I do that? In the end, it's the bottom line that counts, not the rants of a very, very small percentage of buyers.
For you to construe that "most people, after paying so much (note 1) for a high-end watch (note 2), anything that comes with the watch should be of equal quality" is quite far from the truth. I believe many buyers aren't interested in the boxes at all.
- Note 1 - Cost is relative. You may consider RM20k+ as expensive. Some might not.
- Note 2 - Rolex is high-end only to some people. Others think of AP, PP, VC, ALS, RM etc as high end and Rolex as a mid-range.
Now, while I can understand you may be quite unhappy with the quality of recent Rolex boxes (which I do find to be cheaply made as well), know that Rolex will do nothing about it as long as their watches sell they way they do.
And I for one will not spend money to buy a Rolex box, damaged or pristine.
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I don't know bout you...but I have the same view in buying used watches as used cars.
Service papers are more important than BnP. I wear the watches and not the boxes. Rather use the money saved on some bling for the wife.
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But for some perfectionist or collectors...
A "complete" set is quite important. That includes a NICE and GOOD box.
:thumbsup:
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For most Panerai collectors, complete and good condition boxes is a must. Absence of boxes like the outer shipping cardboard box can sometimes affect the ability to deal in the secondary market...
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But for some perfectionist or collectors...
A "complete" set is quite important. That includes a NICE and GOOD box.
:thumbsup:
For most Panerai collectors, complete and good condition boxes is a must. Absence of boxes like the outer shipping cardboard box can sometimes affect the ability to deal in the secondary market...
I would gladly pay a few hundred more for a mint cond.watch which comes with everything complete like you buy new from an AD, if my budget permit I would opt for a new one. tony....
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For the kind of money that we pay, i must say that rolex box is really cheapskate. :mooning:
I mean placing it next to other watches which are of comparable monetary value such as panerai, iwc etc... you will appreciate that rolex is really trying to rip us off. :thumbsdown:
maybe you would be happier if Rolex provided genuine leather lined boxes made of mahogany and raised prices by a few hundred RM??
for me, boxes are good if you were buying a gift. for my own use, i wouldn't need a box and prefer a good discount.
But we all know the reality is that Rollie wont give you a 'good discount" despite if a cheapskate box. for watches above 20k, surely is not too demanding to expect a slightly decent box if you buy it brand new from rollie? No???
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For the kind of money that we pay, i must say that rolex box is really cheapskate. :mooning:
I mean placing it next to other watches which are of comparable monetary value such as panerai, iwc etc... you will appreciate that rolex is really trying to rip us off. :thumbsdown:
maybe you would be happier if Rolex provided genuine leather lined boxes made of mahogany and raised prices by a few hundred RM??
for me, boxes are good if you were buying a gift. for my own use, i wouldn't need a box and prefer a good discount.
But we all know the reality is that Rollie wont give you a 'good discount" despite if a cheapskate box. for watches above 20k, surely is not too demanding to expect a slightly decent box if you buy it brand new from rollie? No???
Hi iwcking , the AD is selling the ss daytona at premium of around rm. 4x k and it comes with a standard box only..Have a nice day iwc........fr tony
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I know Tony. That's why I always maintain Msia ADs are big time rip off :Scolding:
Dont buy from them. Get it from overseas. Try HK or Japan (non AD have plenty of them and cheaper than msia premium price for sure). Anyway, daytona is kind of losing its appeal in place like HKG cos they are just everywhere. Also, one collector told me that its not that hard to source it at list price these day. I checked with one AD sometime ago and casual chatting. the sale just told me that they are selling at list price now. But of course one has to wait. (BTW, I dont have any lubang to source that immediately, so guys please dont pm me for lubang.) :Laughing_on_floor:
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Does the pu "leather" will peel as well after say 3 yrs? Planning to get a watch box..
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Hi kaka, not all boxes peeled after 3 yrs., but some even rot from the inside.If you mean the multiple watch box for storage , i don't think that will peel. If you have a choice get something made of wood rather than pu. correct if i'm wrong ,,just my opinion. fr. tony.
Does the pu "leather" will peel as well after say 3 yrs? Planning to get a watch box..
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Hi kaka, not all boxes peeled after 3 yrs., but some even rot from the inside.If you mean the multiple watch box for storage , i don't think that will peel. If you have a choice get something made of wood rather than pu. correct if i'm wrong ,,just my opinion. fr. tony.Does the pu "leather" will peel as well after say 3 yrs? Planning to get a watch box..
Thanks for your opinion.. Pu is easier to find, wood is bit hard. I only saw wood type at red army. But only can keep 6 watches.
You know where can find wood type?
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Email sent kaka. buy something with a good divider that is the crown of watch does not touch the case of the watch beside it. fr .tony..