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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: bigkahuna on July 16, 2012, 10:55:20 AM
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I’m not sure if this has already been discussed/confirmed here but I thought I’d share this information anyway. I’ve recently sent my Submariner 14060M random serial to Rolex Malaysia for a recalibration as it was running a little slower than it should and I thought since they were going to open my watch, I’ve asked them to confirm if my Sub has the new paracrom blu balance spring as there were many conflicting reports about it. Anyway, my curiosity has finally been put to rest today as Rolex confirmed that my random serial Sub is definitely running on the new paracrom springs. Hope this helps clear the air for those of you wondering about the same thing. Cheers!
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Read about it over the net.
Thanks for confirming its not a myth.
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Perhaps it is time to get one.....
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thanks...was discussing about this too few weeks ago.....
so its real then....and congrats for having one!
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A little info to share with fellow MWF ,starting from M serial that is post 2008 most sports model are equip with blue paracrom spring. It is more durable and a higher degree of anti magnetism ...
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Hi Tony, I believe you are referring to the GMT 16710 with the 3186 movement where it was rumored that the Z and M serial is with the paracrom springs.
However, for the submariner, the myth suggest that only the late G serial (2010) to random serial are the only ones with paracrom springs.
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yes it is , bigkahuna.but i'm not to sure about about the z serial. You can always check with Rc KL, phone them n give them your serial..The deepsea n daytona post 2008 are also equip with the blue paracrom spring.
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Im quite sure that all ceramic bezels subs are equip with blue paracrom springs..
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Fantastic news. Thanks for sharing
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how about 14060M v series?
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how about 14060M v series?
Like bikahuna said, only late G serial (2010) to random serial are with paracrom blu spring.
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sigh.... :Blue:...
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sigh.... :Blue:...
Dun worry bro, 4liner with 3130 movement is still one hell of a watch.
Unlike mine, ck, terrence and pexus punya... 2 liner with caliber 3000 movement... lol :Cheers:
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Jacky pls call rolex center kl .,give them your watch serial n they will return a call with answers to your query..
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Just out of curiosity, does it really matter if the watch is not fitted with the Parachrom? Also how does one identify if ones watch is indeed fitted with the parachrom hairspring? The colour blue? Well, the parachrom hairspring was introduced in 2000 and it was not blue in colour. Let's enjoy the watch and not get caught with the technicalities. :)
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Just out of curiosity, does it really matter if the watch is not fitted with the Parachrom? Also how does one identify if ones watch is indeed fitted with the parachrom hairspring? The colour blue? Well, the parachrom hairspring was introduced in 2000 and it was not blue in colour. Let's enjoy the watch and not get caught with the technicalities. :)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
My 2 liners cal 3000 is running within COSC spec.
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I agree with Hobbit and it shouldn’t really matter. I just want to shiok sendiri by knowing I have it but it doesn’t necessary mean that it’s better ;D. Anyway, here is an interesting read about this topic: http://www.minus4plus6.com/paracromblu16710.htm
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Of course it doesn't matter sir Hobbit , Rolex have been making watches without the blue paracrom springs for over a century and to have one with is a bonus. Conventional hair spring are made of ferromagnetic alloys ,so they are more vulnerable to magnetic fields n shock. The blue parachrom spring is made of paramagnetic alloy, it won't be affected so easily by magnetic fields n it is 10 times more resistant to shocks..
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Of course it doesn't matter sir Hobbit , Rolex have been making watches without the blue paracrom springs for over a century and to have one with is a bonus. Conventional hair spring are made of ferromagnetic alloys ,so they are more vulnerable to magnetic fields n shock. The blue parachrom spring is made of paramagnetic alloy, it won't be affected so easily by magnetic fields n it is 10 times more resistant to shocks..
I am all for advancement in watch technology but there are times the advancements are taken out of context.
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Of course it doesn't matter sir Hobbit , Rolex have been making watches without the blue paracrom springs for over a century and to have one with is a bonus. Conventional hair spring are made of ferromagnetic alloys ,so they are more vulnerable to magnetic fields n shock. The blue parachrom spring is made of paramagnetic alloy, it won't be affected so easily by magnetic fields n it is 10 times more resistant to shocks..
you're worried about the spring being affected by magnetic fields but not about the other hundreds of parts in there that might?
while Rolex is saying the new parachrom is much better than the older navarox, they didn't give actual figures of how much improvement it actually was.... a 1% improvement is still an improvement....
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I was caught out with the parachrome spring fever when i was looking for 14060m sub. Was thinking about for some time and i decide to get a 2003 14060m sub instead. Save me some dough on the way, was shocked to see the current new 14060m price in ad's :Cheers:
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hi Dpkong , in its sales catalog it states clearly that it is 10 times more resistant to shock.
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hi Dpkong , in its sales catalog it states clearly that it is 10 times more resistant to shock.
what kind of shock? the type that will kill the wearer but the watch lives on? sales catalog are what they are.. to create sales...
in the end, the buyer will have to decide if the improvements are worth the asking price or if they are of any real benefit to the user. FWIW, my M series 16570 and V series 116523 would/should have the parachrom and my 16523 might not. it doesn't bother me what spring is in there and with the recent usage, i find that the 116523 being very new is losing seconds and needs some adjustment. the 16523 and 16570 is keeping very good time despite how it's worn.
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In watches when we say shock it means dropping your watch from low levels, every day use vibration like working with tools. Im no md to tell you what kind of shock can kill.
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Just out of curiosity, does it really matter if the watch is not fitted with the Parachrom? Also how does one identify if ones watch is indeed fitted with the parachrom hairspring? The colour blue? Well, the parachrom hairspring was introduced in 2000 and it was not blue in colour. Let's enjoy the watch and not get caught with the technicalities. :)
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My 2 liners cal 3000 is running within COSC spec.
Mine is running on COSC specs as well.
I think most rolexes on nivarox spring is just fine.
Wouldn't hurt if it comes with parachrom blu though.
I am not sure if the premium is justified.
There is a way to get a parachrom blu in my watch, just purposely damage the current spring in my sub, send it for repair and Rolex will replace it with a parachrom blu.
I have no idea how much it costs but the parachrom blu can fit in any existing rolex movements with no problems.
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There is a way to get a parachrom blu in my watch, just purposely damage the current spring in my sub, send it for repair and Rolex will replace it with a parachrom blu.
I have no idea how much it costs but the parachrom blu can fit in any existing rolex movements with no problems.
What? Say it ain't so.... Can't be true. You mean eventually all Rolex watches may have the parachrom blu hairspring in them, even the old ones if and when the hairspring gives way or break? :Startled: :o ::) ;)
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There is a way to get a parachrom blu in my watch, just purposely damage the current spring in my sub, send it for repair and Rolex will replace it with a parachrom blu.
I have no idea how much it costs but the parachrom blu can fit in any existing rolex movements with no problems.
What? Say it ain't so.... Can't be true. You mean eventually all Rolex watches may have the parachrom blu hairspring in them, even the old ones if and when the hairspring gives way or break? :Startled: :o ::) ;)
That was what i was led to believe... Other forums have reported serviced watches coming back with parachrom blu.
Bear in mind that the hairspring is the last thing being changed during regular service, there must be something wrong with the spring if they replace it. ;D
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Well, I guess replacing a Nivarox spring (is this what the previous ones were called?) with parachrom in a 14060M or even 14060 is not as bad as replacing tritium parts with luminous parts.... ;D
Still can't get over the fact that a t-dial sent to RSC could lead to getting back a watch with luminova parts.... :o
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I second your thoughts. I would prefer the parts to be kept as it is. Technology or what not watches aren't being use the same way as the old days. Shock resistant is same as water resistant a features that we may never get to fully utilize unless you operate a jackhammer or saturation dive.
It may add a certain degree of feeling privilege or sophistication but hardly any real daily benefit at all.
Don't get me wrong. I love the new technology. I fantasize once having a paraflex in my milgauss but the thought died quick. It won't change the watch. Better? maybe but that's a big maybe.
Would you change the super sexy butterfly rotor
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/rxds0063m.jpg)
to this more a technological advance ones like this?
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/rxvi0326m.jpg)
Just because the new ones winds better and less tear on the the gears.
The price pay by collectors seem to indicate the old less technology is preferred :-\
You know my choice, how about yours? ;)
Regards
Tyler
Well, I guess replacing a Nivarox spring (is this what the previous ones were called?) with parachrom in a 14060M or even 14060 is not as bad as replacing tritium parts with luminous parts.... ;D
Still can't get over the fact that a t-dial sent to RSC could lead to getting back a watch with luminova parts.... :o
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There is a way to get a parachrom blu in my watch, just purposely damage the current spring in my sub, send it for repair and Rolex will replace it with a parachrom blu.
I have no idea how much it costs but the parachrom blu can fit in any existing rolex movements with no problems.
What? Say it ain't so.... Can't be true. You mean eventually all Rolex watches may have the parachrom blu hairspring in them, even the old ones if and when the hairspring gives way or break? :Startled: :o ::) ;)
That was what i was led to believe... Other forums have reported serviced watches coming back with parachrom blu.
Bear in mind that the hairspring is the last thing being changed during regular service, there must be something wrong with the spring if they replace it. ;D
Hanz079,
Just being cheeky. :)
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Well, I guess replacing a Nivarox spring (is this what the previous ones were called?) with parachrom in a 14060M or even 14060 is not as bad as replacing tritium parts with luminous parts.... ;D
Still can't get over the fact that a t-dial sent to RSC could lead to getting back a watch with luminova parts.... :o
Don't really blame Rolex or other manufacturers for doing so actually. You send your watch in and their function is to bring the watch back to zero state. That means the watch doing what it was design to do, including being able to read the dial and hands in the dark (night or underwater). Also there is the concern of tritium being dangerous. So, it is natural that they change the dial with a service dial so that it achieves zero state.
That is the main reason Rolex will ask you to write down if you don't want some things changed and that is also the reason why they sometimes cannot issue you with a full service warranty. At least Rolex opts to listen to their customers. I know of some manufacturer that will change the dial and hands regardless of what you tell them.
What I am getting at is buy the watch for the right reason. If you like the old dial or patina, go ahead and buy them with the knowledge that the watch will never work as what it was intended for and that support will not always be there. Don't buy the watch because the crowd says so or to elevate your status in a crowd or forum or gtg. Don't complain years down the road how come there is no more dial or hands or parts for the watch, how is it I can no longer get my watch serviced, etc etc etc. Don't become like the case of the lady who tried to sue Rolex for medical damages because she developed a rash after wearing a Rolex with the case back sticker still on because someone told her it will fetch better price if the sticker is still on the case back. Keeping the watch as original as possible is a personal choice. It should not be dictated by others.
Same with buying watches. Buy for the right reasons. Don't just follow the crowd. Don't be lead to believe that watches makes good investment. It is not. Case in point is the recent release by the other hot watch brand. Many thought (read wrongly, interpreted wrongly, willingly or wanting to believe) that it will be a once off, bought the watch with the hopes that it can be sold for more. Sadly it was not to be. Now you see a number of the watches being sold. RM 30k is a lot of money to hold. So sell fast fast before more people sell at a lower price. Cut the losses. Buy the watch for the right reason. RM30k is a lot of money for a watch with a plexiglas that you 'can't wear daily.
Lastly apologies for the ranting.
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Well, I guess replacing a Nivarox spring (is this what the previous ones were called?) with parachrom in a 14060M or even 14060 is not as bad as replacing tritium parts with luminous parts.... ;D
Still can't get over the fact that a t-dial sent to RSC could lead to getting back a watch with luminova parts.... :o
Same with buying watches. Buy for the right reasons. Don't just follow the crowd. Don't be lead to believe that watches makes good investment. It is not. Case in point is the recent release by the other hot watch brand. Many thought (read wrongly, interpreted wrongly, willingly or wanting to believe) that it will be a once off, bought the watch with the hopes that it can be sold for more. Sadly it was not to be. Now you see a number of the watches being sold. RM 30k is a lot of money to hold. So sell fast fast before more people sell at a lower price. Cut the losses. Buy the watch for the right reason. RM30k is a lot of money for a watch with a plexiglas that you 'can't wear daily.
Lastly apologies for the ranting.
Obviously 372 ... :laugh:
Never buy to speculate!!! Buy what you love for the right reasons! :thumbsup:
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Well, I guess replacing a Nivarox spring (is this what the previous ones were called?) with parachrom in a 14060M or even 14060 is not as bad as replacing tritium parts with luminous parts.... ;D
Still can't get over the fact that a t-dial sent to RSC could lead to getting back a watch with luminova parts.... :o
..... Don't become like the case of the lady who tried to sue Rolex for medical damages because she developed a rash after wearing a Rolex with the case back sticker still on because someone told her it will fetch better price if the sticker is still on the case back......
Lastly apologies for the ranting.
:thumbsup: very sensible rant actually....one can understand Rolex's stand on this (service is to make sure the watch function and function well for many more years to come)
What is more interesting (and baffling sometimes, to me) is the behavior of the Rolex community ..which never cease to amaze me with their passion for minor details...I just got to know that several owners have shown that the Kermit (Sub LV) actually comes with different `versions'...because someone has the time and ability to spot minor differences in the dial, font, distance between alphabets....
as to the story of the lady.... :Startled: :Startled: never knew that....
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Haha... I cant stop laughing after reading the story of the "sticker lady". So hilarious. :thumbsup:
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Well, I guess replacing a Nivarox spring (is this what the previous ones were called?) with parachrom in a 14060M or even 14060 is not as bad as replacing tritium parts with luminous parts.... ;D
Still can't get over the fact that a t-dial sent to RSC could lead to getting back a watch with luminova parts.... :o
Don't really blame Rolex or other manufacturers for doing so actually. You send your watch in and their function is to bring the watch back to zero state. That means the watch doing what it was design to do, including being able to read the dial and hands in the dark (night or underwater). Also there is the concern of tritium being dangerous. So, it is natural that they change the dial with a service dial so that it achieves zero state.
That is the main reason Rolex will ask you to write down if you don't want some things changed and that is also the reason why they sometimes cannot issue you with a full service warranty. At least Rolex opts to listen to their customers. I know of some manufacturer that will change the dial and hands regardless of what you tell them.
What I am getting at is buy the watch for the right reason. If you like the old dial or patina, go ahead and buy them with the knowledge that the watch will never work as what it was intended for and that support will not always be there. Don't buy the watch because the crowd says so or to elevate your status in a crowd or forum or gtg. Don't complain years down the road how come there is no more dial or hands or parts for the watch, how is it I can no longer get my watch serviced, etc etc etc. Don't become like the case of the lady who tried to sue Rolex for medical damages because she developed a rash after wearing a Rolex with the case back sticker still on because someone told her it will fetch better price if the sticker is still on the case back. Keeping the watch as original as possible is a personal choice. It should not be dictated by others.
Same with buying watches. Buy for the right reasons. Don't just follow the crowd. Don't be lead to believe that watches makes good investment. It is not. Case in point is the recent release by the other hot watch brand. Many thought (read wrongly, interpreted wrongly, willingly or wanting to believe) that it will be a once off, bought the watch with the hopes that it can be sold for more. Sadly it was not to be. Now you see a number of the watches being sold. RM 30k is a lot of money to hold. So sell fast fast before more people sell at a lower price. Cut the losses. Buy the watch for the right reason. RM30k is a lot of money for a watch with a plexiglas that you 'can't wear daily.
Lastly apologies for the ranting.
Well said bro. I guess for ppl who wanted to buy/do whatever stuff to their rolex. Follow whatever their heart sing.