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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: Mark on June 08, 2012, 10:38:24 PM
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Guys, which will you go?
Rolex SD or Sub, why?
Thanks ^_^
:Cheers:
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SD... a rare beast.
Then after that get a GMT II if you want a Rolex with a cyclop :thumbsup:
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If I can, I have both. Both watches are unique and both are awesome tool watches. But if pressed, I will go with the SD. Why? It is an awesome tool watch with date complication and no cyclops
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Enlightening me please, although I am not against SD or SUB here, I found that both watches are okay only, functioning wise.
Okay, they can be used for diving, but who can actually dive down to 300 meter? The recreational diving limit is 55 meter max. Why do we need 3900 meter for SD and 300 meter for Sub? I accept Sub's 300 meter, cause we need some safety factors here, but isn't SD's 3900 meter too far fetched? ???
Maybe the rotating bezel is useful here. Pardon me for I am not a diver. ;D
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I got an DSSD.
The plus points that makes me pick the SD over the sub:
- technology, serious design and manufacturing process to create a 3.9km diver
- date without the cyclop :laugh:
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Enlightening me please, although I am not against SD or SUB here, I found that both watches are okay only, functioning wise.
Okay, they can be used for diving, but who can actually dive down to 300 meter? The recreational diving limit is 55 meter max. Why do we need 3900 meter for SD and 300 meter for Sub? I accept Sub's 300 meter, cause we need some safety factors here, but isn't SD's 3900 meter too far fetched? ???
Maybe the rotating bezel is useful here. Pardon me for I am not a diver. ;D
Ppl buy golf gti not bcoz they can or want to speed up to max
So they r ppl will jus buy golf tsi bcoz they aren't really feel, care or need the different
Function wise I guess g shock the best, now with solar some more, price cheaper than service cost of a Rolex sub n SD
Basic g shock already Gd wr, gd shock r, world time, chronograph, stop watch... Light for night reading...
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:Cheers:
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I go for sub than SD,
Most diver/sport watch follow sub unique face - subs is benchmarch
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SD is one of the real tool watch from Rolex. It only come with steel (no 2 tone, yellow gold or white gold kinda stuff) because it was meant to use as a tool.
There are saturation diver that goes down to the depth of 200+ meters. A sub will not handle that with a vote of confidence because even though is rated 300m the actually usable depth might be something like 120+ meters. The measurement of a diving depth for a watch is conduct in an idle state. Once the watch start moving the actually depth must take in some reduction as the pressure of a object in motion is greater than one in an idle state.
You're right a recreation diver only goes down to about 55m but the SD is not for recreation. It's for this type of guys.
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/Comex-Sagittaire-4-50h-610m-Jourde-Bourdier-1974.jpg)
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w501/TdBean/COMEX-Diver.jpg)
sources: Jake's Rolex Blog
They ain't the recreation type ::)
The SD are now getting attention as a hip watch before it always remain as a tool for serious use. One of the last sport model that carry the old Rolex spirit of producing reliable watch for the people in use.
If it were up to me I would choose a SD before a Sub.
Regards
Tyler
Enlightening me please, although I am not against SD or SUB here, I found that both watches are okay only, functioning wise.
Okay, they can be used for diving, but who can actually dive down to 300 meter? The recreational diving limit is 55 meter max. Why do we need 3900 meter for SD and 300 meter for Sub? I accept Sub's 300 meter, cause we need some safety factors here, but isn't SD's 3900 meter too far fetched? ???
Maybe the rotating bezel is useful here. Pardon me for I am not a diver. ;D
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Trust Rolex on the ability to re-create three markets for its line of almost similar design and colours models: the deep sea/SD, sub and GMT. At a glance all the design DNA are almost identical.
I notice the SD is making a strong comeback after being replaced with the deepsea. There are no that many in the preowned market cause those days, the sub(non-ceramic) was a real seller whereas the SD was deemed to be quite pricey.
I suppose being 'less is more', there is the resurgence of the SD, both being a tool watch and a collectors piece. To me, SD hands down.
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Seadweller :thumbsup:
1. Because it has been discontinued.
2. Because as has been said, a real tool watch and
can take a licking, a no nonsense performer
3. Because it doesn't have a cyclops
4. Because of its history.
5. Price has no way to go but up
6. The DSSD would also be my choice over the
other subs.
:Cheers:
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Trust Rolex on the ability to re-create three markets for its line of almost similar design and colours models: the deep sea/SD, sub and GMT. At a glance all the design DNA are almost identical.
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what about Panerai then? :Laughing_on_floor:
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bro terrence
with utmost respect to panerai lovers, I still dont understand why panerai is sweeping thro the watch industry in such a big wave. This is one brand where its models are known more by numbers eg 88, 176, etc and not so much by model name. I am attending the dinner tonite to learn and be educated.
There is this shop in HK that specialises in pam and I witnessed customers come by to purchase various straps and not just the product itself. It has evolved into a cult-like identity with the younger generation which is driving today's consumerism.
I have difficulty identifying the ranges as the caseback are almost identical except for the radiomir and the 47mm which is HUGH, by asian standards. I have tried it on and its like putting on a pocketwatch on my wrist (pun)! I reserve my comment on the material used and the design.
Pam still have a long way to go to ensure that the fad lasts. But I must admit that it has gone upscale with the new boutiques and the LE & SE. However I have yet to see the upper society embrace it, status wise it is still afew notches below AP, Lange etc. The presentation, as stated by bro derek is top class, a craftsmanship box, add strap and tools. It put Rolex to shame, which to me has the least impressive packaging at their price range.
I have since owned a radiomir and luminor and still figuring out what is Panerai. Will it be able to reinvent itself after the fad is long gone is anybody guess. Even G-shock, swatch and seiko have played the game long enough and I think they will be around for a long long time. I think watch making is a very competitive business, at any market segment.
I hope I dont evoke outburst from pam lovers and hope to meet them soon.
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You have insulted my intelligent. Tonight dinner you will die a slow slow death. :mooning:
Joking aside. See you tonight and will try to spread the poison to you.
Regards
Tyler
bro terrence
with utmost respect to panerai lovers, I still dont understand why panerai is sweeping thro the watch industry in such a big wave. This is one brand where its models are known more by numbers eg 88, 176, etc and not so much by model name. I am attending the dinner tonite to learn and be educated.
There is this shop in HK that specialises in pam and I witnessed customers come by to purchase various straps and not just the product itself. It has evolved into a cult-like identity with the younger generation which is driving today's consumerism.
I have difficulty identifying the ranges as the caseback are almost identical except for the radiomir and the 47mm which is HUGH, by asian standards. I have tried it on and its like putting on a pocketwatch on my wrist (pun)! I reserve my comment on the material used and the design.
Pam still have a long way to go to ensure that the fad lasts. But I must admit that it has gone upscale with the new boutiques and the LE & SE. However I have yet to see the upper society embrace it, status wise it is still afew notches below AP, Lange etc. The presentation, as stated by bro derek is top class, a craftsmanship box, add strap and tools. It put Rolex to shame, which to me has the least impressive packaging at their price range.
I have since owned a radiomir and luminor and still figuring out what is Panerai. Will it be able to reinvent itself after the fad is long gone is anybody guess. Even G-shock, swatch and seiko have played the game long enough and I think they will be around for a long long time. I think watch making is a very competitive business, at any market segment.
I hope I dont evoke outburst from pam lovers and hope to meet them soon.
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SM,
I agreed with you to certain extent. I bought my Pam several years ago when most watch lovers in malaysia have not heard of pam before. Well, their impressive marketing, history and iconic design was what attracted me. "Limited supply" strategy work very well for Pam I guess.
However, a lot of watch sellers including those very experienced watch sellers remained very skeptical towards Pam. As far as they are concerned, its just a newer brand with a big case. Nothing fancy. Personally speaking and indeed a lot of watch collectors will probably just stick with basic Pam and shield away from Pam with complication. I have seemed and heard some bad qc of Pam both online and from acquitances pertaining to inferior quality of pam with grand complication.
Be that as it may, i dont think Pam will die out like other brands. Its relatively new in Msia. But it has been standing very strong in mature and competitive markets like US, Europe, Japan and HK for more than 10 years.
Back to this topic again, I will go for Submariner since Submariner is the icon of Rollie, beside daytona. SD resell which is probably a reflection of collector and buyer suggest that market is not that receptive towards SD.
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Guys, which will you go?
Rolex SD or Sub, why?
Thanks ^_^
:Cheers:
Just to confirm but the Sub you are asking is the 14060M or 16610?
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Thanks guys for all the suggestions, I am asking for the Sub-date. 16610 :D
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if you aren't a real diver going down to serious depths, the SD or DSSD is overkill. also worth mentioning is the really thick case and large size so if you have small wrists, i think it's definitely out.
myself have no interest in the SD or DSSD..
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Sea dweller wins....... Hands down....
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Okay, they can be used for diving, but who can actually dive down to 300 meter? The recreational diving limit is 55 meter max. Why do we need 3900 meter for SD and 300 meter for Sub?
We don't need 300m / 3900m. But it's nice sometimes to be able to fantasize you are wearing one behind a periscope like a real Submariner..........
(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg574/loochunboon/Rolexad2q.jpg)
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The advert is a Sub and not a SeaDweller or Sub Date
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Technically the sd is more superior in built with its 1,200m depth water resistant . Without the cyclops from afar ,it looks like a14060 m. If the sd cost slightly more than the sub,go for the sd.No doubt about that ,as for me I'm happy with my Dssd. Just my opinion.. fr ..tony..
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It is not just the price. SD is thicker than sub (14.8 vs 13mm). Sub has the height of other sport models (13 vs 12.2 vs 12.4mm). To me it is not matter of price, it is how u prefer to wear it. SD wears thicker. as far as water resistant concern, 100m is more than enough for recreational diving.
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Trust Rolex on the ability to re-create three markets for its line of almost similar design and colours models: the deep sea/SD, sub and GMT. At a glance all the design DNA are almost identical.
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what about Panerai then? :Laughing_on_floor:
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
No disrespect to the Pam owner/fans cos I myself used to be a Pam owner
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SD all the way.
-One of the kind, dont see it around in public unless u go to a rolex kaki gathering :Laughing_on_floor:
-No cyclops, not many ppl know its a rolex without the trademark cyclops? :thumbsup:
-High WR rating for the small case size, i take it as technical wonder. All the watch these day are huge but don or may have the WR rating as SD. :thumbsup:
-I can wear it well even tho i had small wrist after took out all the pernament link :thumbsup:
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sold off the 16610...still have 16600.... :)
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SD all the way..I regret selling it and and now slowly hunting for one :)
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Sorry for resurrecting this old, but interesting and relevant thread..
If there is a choice to pick up either the current DSSD (116660 44mm) or the Submariner Green (116610LV 40mm), would the majority of the opinions still gravitate towards the DSSD? Comparatively, DSSD has more technology with a standard design, while the HULK is quite unique with its shimmering ceramic green dial and bezel, and not so easily copied by other homage watchmakers as is the DSSD..
Thanks for your opinions.. :Praying:
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Sorry for resurrecting this old, but interesting and relevant thread..
If there is a choice to pick up either the current DSSD (116660 44mm) or the Submariner Green (116610LV 40mm), would the majority of the opinions still gravitate towards the DSSD? Comparatively, DSSD has more technology with a standard design, while the HULK is quite unique with its shimmering ceramic green dial and bezel, and not so easily copied by other homage watchmakers as is the DSSD..
Thanks for your opinions.. :Praying:
I'd pick a Submariner in green anytime over the DSSD. That watch is just too thick and large for everyday wear. What are the chances you'd get any use out of the HEV or 1220m rating?
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If James Cameron shows up and invites you to spend time in a sub to the Titanic, you must be prepared.
Rolex DSSD.
http://www.rolex.com/en#/world-of-rolex/sports-and-culture/exploration/james-cameron-about-the-rolex-deepsea-challenge (http://www.rolex.com/en#/world-of-rolex/sports-and-culture/exploration/james-cameron-about-the-rolex-deepsea-challenge)
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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i always believe you cant really go wrong with a Submariner, selected series had had its value appreciative over time.
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For me, it will be a submariner due to the eye-catching blue or green. But I will still like a SD in my collection (not yet)
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both also quite similar series.
if your wrist 7 inch go for DS small go for Sub, that is my sugesstion.
But for the long run and popular, SUB will be a good choose over DS. ( if you worries after 30 years no one know your DS ) :Confused:
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Hi,
I forgot that I was the TS lol. I bought 16610LV in the end, from ckmcsk, good and patience seller. I was very happy with it for few months, I sold it off for a 116613LB. Reasons, the contrast and its Ceramic, I am not a fan of non-ceramic, I dont want my bezel get scratches on it T_T
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/376/photo1ep.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/photo1ep.jpg/)
The DSSD is actually tempting decent piece of watch but not for my wrist. Too thick and heavy. Those are the CONS, but not for those who has bigger wrist, OR if you wont mind to wear it looooosely. The PROS, I don't know why, maybe to me only, the bezel looks extremely shiny when I saw a friend of mine wearing it, couldnt tell why lol.
Well, just share some of my thought, basically I think, same as others. :Laughing_on_floor:
Next I will aim a GS SBGA071/Daytona/GMT II.
Happy Chinese New Year Guys, Wish you all FATTT CHOI~
Mark
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SD > Sub > DSSD
SD is the Daddy. It's rare (Sub definitely is not), it has greater wrist presence, it was developed in collaboration with commercial divers, and it (16600) was the watch worn on the deepest dive in history. The Sub is nice, but just not as special.
DSSD is beautifully engineered, but just too huge if your wrist is under 7.5-8 inches. Mine is 7-7.25 inches, and the 16600 wears like a dream. It's also a luxury watch first, dive watch second. Not cool. The old generation Sea-Dwellers were designed first and foremost as professional diving instruments. Cool.
If you are into dive watches, and can only have one Rolex, it's gotta be the Sea-Dweller.
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Never owned a sub but have bought and sold a SD, I regret letting it go every day. With the HRV and no cyclops it is more discreet and an all round true dive watch. If I was buying a sub, I'd go for the new ceramic version, it's a little more bling but still a nice watch
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Submariner. I've always and will always think of it as the quintessential diving watch, along with the Fifty Fathoms.
But I'm partial because my dad's worn one for as long as I can remember. ;D
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1 vote for Sub from me.
Smaller, thinner, lighter, easier to live with, imo.
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submariner with no shadow of doubt.
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Submariner