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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: GMTmaster on May 31, 2012, 09:01:46 PM
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Hi, dear all,
I took the dear decision to purchase a ROLEX GMT MASTER II C (Two Tone). Believe me it is the most expensive watch I have ever purchased.
I came across a minor issue arising from the Serial Number of the watch. The seller said the watch is a 2012 watch. i.e. newly manufactured. But when I compared with the Serial Number and those listed by Rolex Website. My Serial number starts with Z------ corresponces to a 2006-7 manufactured Rolex.
It is possible that with Serial Number Starting with Z------, actually manufactured in 2012. I don't mind it was made in 2011.
The seller told me the randomized number used today, could mean that the Z in front was generated randomly..... :Startled:
Should I be over concern over this issue. Thanks for any advice.
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Hi, dear all,
I took the dear decision to purchase a ROLEX GMT MASTER II C (Two Tone). Believe me it is the most expensive watch I have ever purchased.
I came across a minor issue arising from the Serial Number of the watch. The seller said the watch is a 2012 watch. i.e. newly manufactured. But when I compared with the Serial Number and those listed by Rolex Website. My Serial number starts with Z------ corresponces to a 2006-7 manufactured Rolex.
It is possible that with Serial Number Starting with Z------, actually manufactured in 2012. I don't mind it was made in 2011.
The seller told me the randomized number used today, could mean that the Z in front was generated randomly..... :Startled:
Should I be over concern over this issue. Thanks for any advice.
I could be wrong but the old Traditional serial number is 7 characters, i.e. alphabet followed by 6 digits - ZXXXXXX, while the newer random serial number is 8 characters, a mix of alphabets and numbers.
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Okay, let's say the watch was manufactured in 2006/7, should I be over concern whether it is 2012 or 2006/7. Remember, I specifically asked for a new watch.
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You are right that if it is Z serial, it should be manufactured in year 2006-2007 and it is not engrave on the inner ring of the watch.
2012 watch should come with random serial no and not Z serial.
As 2 tone Rolex GMT Master II could be display for few year (which is rather common) before it is sold later thus possibly it is dated 2012.
Hope it help.
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"Okay, let's say the watch was manufactured in 2006/7, should I be over concern whether it is 2012 or 2006/7. Remember, I specifically asked for a new watch."
Yes, you should...if you specifically said it has to be a 2011 or 2012 watch. However if you just said "new"...I guess the seller did no wrong...NOS (New Old Stock).
One of the reason is that if you decide to sell your watch, it can be an issue to the potential buyer (private or dealers) and that may see you lose few hundred to a thousand RM.
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Where did you buy the watch from? AD? Boutique? Also what is your definition of 'new'?
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that is up to individual. If they are offering you a good price and you are aware and OK with it, then it is fine.
If you do mind and feels uncomfortable as you asked for manufactured 2012 stock, you may want to check with them and see what they can do to make you feel better.
Agreed with Hans that if you just said new, then New Old Stock is new.
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Good Day,
There has been reputable websites that mentioned specifically that Rolex serial numbers would have been random, such a case of my Sub Hulk which is alpha numeric therefore it's not surprising that your GMT Master II by coincidence would have started with Z serial. However, should you be concerned about your investment. It would not hurt to drop by Menara Dion to have it checked out.
My humble 2 cents
Cheers
Scooticus
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Okay, let's say the watch was manufactured in 2006/7, should I be over concern whether it is 2012 or 2006/7. Remember, I specifically asked for a new watch.
Since you would probably have spent around RM 35K for this watch, I guess it will be worthwhile to get RSC to confirm its date of manufacture so that you'll have a peace of mind. If the watch was indeed manufactured in 2006/2007, then I believe there also arises a question of storage for the past 5-6 years (which sounds rather long). But I think Hobbit is correct. The new alpha-numeric randon serial number has 8 digits altogether. So if yours have an 8-digit serial nuber, then should be OK.
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"Okay, let's say the watch was manufactured in 2006/7, should I be over concern whether it is 2012 or 2006/7. Remember, I specifically asked for a new watch."
Yes, you should...if you specifically said it has to be a 2011 or 2012 watch. However if you just said "new"...I guess the seller did no wrong...NOS (New Old Stock).
One of the reason is that if you decide to sell your watch, it can be an issue to the potential buyer (private or dealers) and that may see you lose few hundred to a thousand RM.
Yes, I did mention I wanted a 2012 watch. After I took home and checked the serial number did I found out that it is a 2006/7 stock. I called the seller, specifically asked if it was manufactured in 2006/7 given the Serial Number says so. But the seller said no, claiming that it is dued to the randomized numbering system that there is a Z in front of the serial number, followed by 6 digits of numbers. (Was I being cheated or what?)
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Since you would probably have spent around RM 35K for this watch, I guess it will be worthwhile to get RSC to confirm its date of manufacture so that you'll have a peace of mind. If the watch was indeed manufactured in 2006/2007, then I believe there also arises a question of storage for the past 5-6 years (which sounds rather long).
No, I was offered at a lower price than that. What is RSC?
I am quite confidence that it wasn't a 2011/2012 model since there is only one letter Z followed by six numbers, not 8 digits of alpha-numeric random numbers as posted by Hobbit.
Thanks guys. I will call the seller, see what he will propose for me...
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Where did you buy the watch from? AD? Boutique? Also what is your definition of 'new'?
Bought from a "grey seller", I think that is what you guys call them. Definitely not an AD or Boutique. Got his stock from Europe.
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Sounds like a 2006/7 model.When this was introduced,they always come out with the two tone versions then after comes the SS version.This has been their marketing strategy all along.
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Where did you buy the watch from? AD? Boutique? Also what is your definition of 'new'?
Bought from a "grey seller", I think that is what you guys call them. Definitely not an AD or Boutique. Got his stock from Europe.
my advise is bring it to RSC for verify. it might be a old stock. I owned a submariner with zxxxxxx but any model before M series are without the chapter ring. wondering y your 2 tone has a chapter ring. really scratching my head :Confused:
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If in black and white you asked for a 2012 and you found out its not then there is grounds.
If he said its a new watch, means you are first owner then nothing to argue.
When was the warranty card dated?
Lots of NOS watches around.
Almost 2 yrs ago a friend of mine bought a NOS Tudor sub.
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Does it truly matter if it is from 2012? I think it is quite difficult to get a 2012 watch even at the boutique. Inevitably the model you sought after does not have a fantastic turnover rate as compared to the stainless steel version so it is difficult to truly obtain a 2012 model. Like takashi said, there are lots of NOS stock around.
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Total digits including Z = 7 digits = Z serial (2006-2007) Late Z serial does have rehaut. As for GMTIIc TT, surely will come with rehaut.
Total digits including Z = 8 digits = Random Serial (Late 2011-Present)
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GMTmaster, may I provoke you?
It is a fake one... Get it inspected by RSC.......
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GMTmaster, may I provoke you?
It is a fake one... Get it inspected by RSC.......
Why, you don't provoke me, you just provoked the seller... If he sold me a fake one, he is in a lot of troublesssss...... ;D
Mind explaining how to get RSC inspection. I am a newbie in owning expensive watches.
Thanks.
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bring your watch to rolex service center located in ground floor menara dion, jalan sultan ismail. tell them you want to certified the watch but offcoz there will be a certain charges impost
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Address here,
The Rolex Malaysia Sdn. Bhd.
Menara Dion Level 32 Jalan Sultan Ismail, 50540 Kuala Lumpur, Wilayah Persekutuan Kuala Lumpur
03-2072 2709
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Pretty sure they dont do this service.
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GMTmaster, may I provoke you?
It is a fake one... Get it inspected by RSC.......
Why, you don't provoke me, you just provoked the seller... If he sold me a fake one, he is in a lot of troublesssss...... ;D
Mind explaining how to get RSC inspection. I am a newbie in owning expensive watches.
Thanks.
By the way, do have the warranty card? If you have it, then it should be original.
Please post the photo of the watch, the box and the warranty card for us to verify it.
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Guys, a little update on my issue here.
I went to see the seller this afternoon. I told him I am not comfortable with the Serial Number. First he tried to show me a watch he just sold this morning with a Randomise Serial Number, he took a picture of the warranty card for me to see. ???
I told him there is only 7 digits of alpha-numerical on my watch's serial number, the 2012 serial number consists of 8 digits of alpha-numerical number. He told me he did not know that???
But later he agrees for an exchange. He will get a new one with randomized serial number as I requested. He will exchange the watch but my bracelet will have to stay with me, since he already altered the length. (I still haven't removed any of the protective stickers on the watch). I agreed. He told me if not tomorrow, he will go traveling at the end of the month and definitely get one for me. Mean time I can keep this watch but he advised not to wear them. I agreed.
Then I stayed on for about 1 hour and talk about general things, from watches to friends that we both know.
What do you guys think? Will it be a fair deal.
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bring your watch to rolex service center located in ground floor menara dion, jalan sultan ismail. tell them you want to certified the watch but offcoz there will be a certain charges impost
Address here,
The Rolex Malaysia Sdn. Bhd.
Menara Dion Level 32 Jalan Sultan Ismail, 50540 Kuala Lumpur, Wilayah Persekutuan Kuala Lumpur
03-2072 2709
Very useful information indeed. Thanks. Will definitely do the RSC verification when I am in KL. Any indication on the fees of verification... :thumbsup:
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Around Rm100 if i not mistaken
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Total digits including Z = 7 digits = Z serial (2006-2007) Late Z serial does have rehaut. As for GMTIIc TT, surely will come with rehaut.
Total digits including Z = 8 digits = Random Serial (Late 2011-Present)
agree mostly with the above but would like to add..
1. the Rolex TT models are usually slow sellers compared to SS. a Z serial may have been manufactured much later than 2006-2007. i have a V series TT sold in 2012.
2. the information on the Internet regarding Rolex serial numbers and year made are rough guidelines and are not accurate on the actual manufacture date.
3. if you bought it new and the warranty card was properly dated, you would have no issues with warranty in the first 2 years from the date of purchase.
now, since Rolex has begun using the random serial number, say in the year 2020, how would you buy the latest watch?
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All GMT Master IIC two tone comes with chapter ring. Should have engraved inner bezel. If yours is the one start with Z and follow by 6 digit numbers.. then its NOS
If yours start with Z and follow by 7 digit numbers then its the new Random Serial
Verification fees in RSC kuala lumpur is RM 185 if not mistaken
Hope this help
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All GMT Master IIC two tone comes with chapter ring. Should have engraved inner bezel. If yours is the one start with Z and follow by 6 digit numbers.. then its NOS
If yours start with Z and follow by 7 digit numbers then its the new Random Serial
Verification fees in RSC kuala lumpur is RM 185 if not mistaken
Hope this help
The seller asked to collect my new stock today, but I was busy with something else. Will go to collect tomorrow. Hopefully is what I expected. New GMT master II ceramic TT with the current Randomised Serial Number. :)
I will definitely go to KL RSC and get it verified within these two months. ;)
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hi,z series is definitely a 2006 manufatured.if you buy this watch from an authorised dealer,you dont have to bring it to rolex center to verify.
by the way,verification by rolex center will only tell by mouth only,charges is rm 185 before but increased since year 2012 because all the rolex center systems are linked with switzland.currency problem.Pls be reminded that they will not issue you any new certificate or letter notify you that its genuine or not,they will only tell you face to face and issue you a receipt with the particular written ' services"
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Dear all,
Thanks for all your support and information for the pass two to three days.
I am delighted to inform you that I got what I asked for when paying for my GMT master II last Thursday. The seller actually exchanged one unit of GMT master II TT with randomise serial number, with the one I originally got from him (Serial Number, Z------).
He told me there are people who are particular with dates of manufacturing and he is really fine with that, no big deal he said. Cool...
He swapped their bracelets and then... I finally own the most expensive watch I have ever purchased. Thanks to him.
The whole process is sweet and reasonable. :thumbsup:
Might post the pictures in the future after I learnt how to upload the photos into my posts.
Thank you and good day for now...
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Great news!
What he said was bs, if he told you was latest production he was lying. Unless he said is NOS or just never been "owned" before.
But end of the day he has good customer services as he agree to exchange. At least happy ending now.
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Great news!
What he said was bs, if he told you was latest production he was lying. Unless he said is NOS or just never been "owned" before.
But end of the day he has good customer services as he agree to exchange. At least happy ending now.
In this business world, I think you just try to maximise your profit whenever you can. For that, I didn't mean the seller tried to mark up a lot, he propobly just practicing FIFO (fist in first out), to sell off his older stock first. The older stock normally brings more problems to the seller because most customers want to buy new mechandices. NOS, although first hand is still old stock.
Although I don't see myself selling my watch anytime in the future, just in case I am selling it (to exchange for other models or for some other reasons), a later product will most likely equal to better asking price. At least that is what I think.
When making any significant purchase, I like to do tons of research. These are the fun parts on most of my significant purchases.
So whenever the seller said something which I think isn't right, i will tell him i don't think so, and he will either respect me as a knowledgable customer or chase me away for he can't con me. If he is confident that he is right and willing to tell me why, than we will end up having good conversations where we both trying to express our opinions and knowledges.
I knew he probably tried to talk his way around me in the first place, but he is just trying to do his job. BUSINESS. I totally understand that. Luckily I know how to look for informations that I needed. And I am not easily giving in. >:( . Next time when I go to him again, he will know what I want. ;)
In this informative world, I think you need to know a lot more compared to the olden days, in order to earn the trust from your customers.
:Cheers:
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:thumbsup:
Truly enlightening GMTMaster.
It's the seller's job to sell the highest price possible.
It's the buyer's job to pay the lowest price possible.
If the product is bought at a "higher" price, it just means the seller is doing a better job than the buyer, there should be no shame on the seller's part :)
Reminds me of a saying, "The employee does the least amount of job without getting fired. The employer pays the least amount of salary without the employee quitting."
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Since you would probably have spent around RM 35K for this watch, I guess it will be worthwhile to get RSC to confirm its date of manufacture so that you'll have a peace of mind. If the watch was indeed manufactured in 2006/2007, then I believe there also arises a question of storage for the past 5-6 years (which sounds rather long).
No, I was offered at a lower price than that. What is RSC?
RSC = Rolex Service Center
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Glad that you have a happy ending. I agreed that the seller is just trying to mislead you earlier. guess thats the risks when we r buying from parallel importer or buying a pre owned stocks.