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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: Muachee on November 09, 2009, 06:41:25 PM
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A bit regret joining you guys last Sat... :-\ still blur about the Panerai model, looks quite similar to me but the price ranging from 1xk to 1xxk..
I don't think i can fully understand why people crazy about PAM until i get one for myself..
my preference
1) Sandwich dial
2) Date <-- good to have..
Should i get a old OP movement or straight aiming for 9000 movement? 312 and 320 is selling about SGD9K and SGD12K respectively by grey importer in Singapore.. Suggestion appreciated..
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sandwich dial + date.... those historical and contemporary line do not have these 2 features together...
so if that is what u want... better get the in house movement p9000 or p2000 series... either pam312 and 233 have these 2 features!
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hmm.. just search the model in the net.. must forget about date or prepare to spend SGD9K+... :o
what is the cost of base model? some preowned based model are selling at +/-S$6k.. stiff..
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Try PAM 111. Although without the date, but it has all the features. The transparent case back is awesome....
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Hi Muachee,
I suggest you start of with one of the Historical models with the Unitas movements.
If you find that your interest in Panerai brand is growing then you can move up to the in-house movements.
Below are some wrist shots to help you decide.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3607/4051832475_75ba1acaf4_b.jpg)
PAM000 - Base Luminor model without small seconds. Unitas movement. Solid case back.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3534/3957104623_921da90f90_b.jpg)
PAM000 - Base Luminor model without small seconds. Unitas movement. Solid case back.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3576/3677265850_5a907c62eb_b.jpg)
PAM210 - Historic Radiomir without small seconds. Unitas movement. Display case back.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2648/4086380722_677297834d_b.jpg)
PAM111 - Historic Luminor with small seconds. Unitas movement. Display case back.
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what is the selling price of 111 in MY?
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what is the selling price of 111 in MY?
I think Scott should be able to advise on the PAM111 price. Why don't you PM him?
:Cheers:
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PAM000 looks cool, sms Scott better than PM.. hahaha :Cheers:
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Yeap, love the PAM000 very much, love the filled-lumi and the logo :)
Can PM you the price if you want to know ;)
PAM000 and PAM005 is very hard to come by in Malaysia at least..how about Singapore?
Based Luminor model includes 000 (no second), 005, 111, 112(no second), 113 (white dial), 114 (white dial), 176 (titanium), 177(titanium)..or 219 (lefty)
Based Radiomir model includes 210, 183...whatelse...not a lot for Rad model...
Personally, i will go for 000 or 005, otherwise, 111 or 112 will be good too ;) Or if you are lucky, get a 219 will be good ;)
Cheers!
scott
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Scott,
Preown PAM base model are selling about end SGD5K to 6K, new one are End S$6k, there are a few preown but BNIB is hard to get at this moment.. what is the ready stock model in MY?.. Cheers..
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PMed you already. Those are Brand new in Box ;)
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(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/Picture566.jpg)
the see tru caseback for a PAM111. :D
my advise is get the one u like..:)
cheers,
ck
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hehe.. the one with the logo veli nice.
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to be honest.. the PAM base model movement isn't that impressive if you disregard the history of Panerai,
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/muachee/Picture13.jpg)
it cost only 1/4 for similar movement instead of PAM.. (don't flame me har) ;D
contemplating now.. to get or wait till the P9000 price soften a bit..
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to be honest.. the PAM base model movement isn't that impressive if you disregard the history of Panerai,
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/muachee/Picture13.jpg)
it cost only 1/4 for similar movement instead of PAM.. (don't flame me har) ;D
contemplating now.. to get or wait till the P9000 price soften a bit..
wait bro if ya thinking to get 312....ya bound to get the 15% disc from the ADs...
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A good start will be the base or luminor series. You can't go wrong with 000, 005, 111, 112, 210. In certain aspect, it is the closest models you can get to the original pammies worn by the Italian frogment.
The 88 and 90 are also the favourites in the PAM community. 24 is also popular.
Sandwich dials are only available in radiomirs, selected luminors such as 111 and 112, certain SE and the manufacturer models. 312 is probably the closest match if you want a (a) 1950 case (b) sandwich dial (c) date.
However, two killer pammies worth buying will be (a) 127 or 217 (b) 249. These three are highly collectable, which as also using the same base movement.
If movement is a concern, the best there is in a PAM should be the 190...JLC at the very best.
It will take you a while to appreciate the subtle differences in PAM. I have said it several times that owning a PAM is not merely owning a watch or the movement but a closely knited community. It's always subjective when it comes to pricing. The entry model for PAMs will be the base which starts at 14k. You will be lucky if you can still get discounts due to the high demand.
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to be honest.. the PAM base model movement isn't that impressive if you disregard the history of Panerai,
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/muachee/Picture13.jpg)
it cost only 1/4 for similar movement instead of PAM.. (don't flame me har) ;D
contemplating now.. to get or wait till the P9000 price soften a bit..
Hi,
I have been tru this situation before,when i was thinking to get my first PAM 2 years ago.
I was struggling,should i get a watch with an inhouse movement(rolex,JLC etc) instead of paying for a ETA based movement.
You can get a hommage with the same movement price ranging from a few hundred buck to a couple of thousand.
But then,to me when I decided to go for a PAM,not only because of the design,but the history behind the brand did influence me a lot.
I must agree with Lilpronaz,the paneristi community is very unique,owning a PAM is like a key for you to blend into the community. ;)
Furthermore,I enjoy a lot in collecting the straps as well,it's one of the fun part to own a PAM.
Just my 2 cents..
for your comparison,
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0956.jpg)
PAM312 and PAM111
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/DSC_0949.jpg)
:Cheers:
ck
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My suggestion is not to be so bogged down by the movement. A reworked ETA is technically not an ETA anymore. A good analogy will be a Brabus. We will never associate a Brabus to Merc although it started life as a Merc chasis. The finishing and luxurious components are far superior to a standard Merc.
The same can be said of an base ETA and a reworked ETA. If you are obsessed with in-house movement, I will recommend 233 or 270 which is really unique in execution.
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well noted.. will not rush to get one.. hopefully can lay my hand on a decent base model.. cheerss..
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i'll say buy something you like.... the look, the function, or....
buy something u can afford... if u can afford and u like all then buy all....
a tourbillon radiormir for dinner, a sub for out door, 8-10 days with date for daily.... some rare and limited/special and vintage for collection!
why not?
ETA movement no good? in house better?
dont fall into the trap.... ETA is a real work horse, stable, accurate and easy to maintain.... very easy to find parts, any watchmaker can repair, no need to wait....
but its cheap.... so ppl dont like cheap things?
not really.... pam 217, 127, 249.... all with ETA... price is soaring still...
pam itself its a legend !
any movement inside also sell....
but not saying the pam in house is no good... with richemont at the back... i think it should be ok!
i do like the p2000 and p9000 series watches....
with 1950 case, sandwich dial... not just best good looking, it has longer power reserve and better function !
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I love the 127 and 217. It's so simple and nice. Panerai design at its very best. :D
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I wondered what was the diffrence between Luminor, Radiomir, and the Marina. As far i know Luminor and radiomir is named after they diffrence of luminous material that they used last time. ???
I like the design but its very big for my wrist... :Laughing_on_floor:
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Long time never come in d... loved the PAM threat... poison kau kau... :thumbsup:
Hey Scott, care to PM me the pricing for both PAM000 & PAM210?
thanks.
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PMed ;) good luck ;)
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I wondered what was the diffrence between Luminor, Radiomir, and the Marina. As far i know Luminor and radiomir is named after they diffrence of luminous material that they used last time. ???
I like the design but its very big for my wrist... :Laughing_on_floor:
eh...
Luminor and Radomir denotes the case designs/models.
Marina is only on models which have a seconds indicator.
All panerais uses the same super lume.
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i wonder does the old original model of pan got seconds indicator??
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nope.
that is why the italians got their arse kicked so swiftly and badly during WWII that it kinda became a joke
with a watch that is non hacking... no minute indicators... and even seconds indicator:Laughing_on_floor:
mind you, but i love my Panerai to bits and love "dressing" her up but i find they are milking their history to the max :D
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Hi Terrenceterrence,
I like you analogy ,... :Laughing_on_floor:
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Hi Terrenceterrence,
I like your analogy ,... :Laughing_on_floor:
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Who needs hacking and second indicator? It's the styling that matters. :Laughing_on_floor:
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after a search in the net, now i understand why Scott choose luminor over the radiomir.... ;D
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after a search in the net, now i understand why Scott choose luminor over the radiomir.... ;D
A risti would want both luminor and radiomir. These are two different watches all together.
I prefer luminor (J and beyond) because of the quick strap change. Pre-J and radiomirs are a pain when it comes to strap changes. Nevertheless, I would like to add a radiomir to my collection someday.
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I believe base lumninor models do not come with quick strap change either.
Pre-J and radiomirs are a pain when it comes to strap changes. Nevertheless, I would like to add a radiomir to my collection someday.
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luminor looks tougher, 8)
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All 44mm luminors starting J come with quick strap change mechanism. I believe this is still valid.
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I finally got my 111 yesterday! A big thank to Scott! :Cheers:
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:Cheers: congrat..
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Strange... my J-series luminor came with a screw driver instead of the quick change stylus pen.
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Based model still with screw strap changing method... only those higher end ;)
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You guys are right. Just confirmed that Historic models are the only one using the old strap change system.
Fred, congrats on the 111. It's a good buy.
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Thanks. i love it so much! the size is just right for my wrist :thumbsup:i should have bought it long time ago. :Dancing_banana:
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Thanks. i love it so much! the size is just right for my wrist :thumbsup:i should have bought it long time ago. :Dancing_banana:
Never too late man....enjoy ur new toy!
:Cheers:
ck
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fuyoh to pam family,,,,
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congrats, Fred, pls post some wrist shots... :)
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think we can arrange a 111 club here!
good choice my fren !
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112 feels lonely... :'( reaching out for other 112s :)
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i still considering to get a 112 or 111... like the 9... :)
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(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/fredeau/PB100162.jpg)
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my new toy... (thanks ck, for helping me to post the pic)
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my new toy... (thanks ck, for helping me to post the pic)
My pleasure!
It's always good to see a PAM111 with the OEM strap.. :D
Like the gold calf so much!
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/ckng515/apple_169.jpg)
Mine say hi~!
:Cheers:
ck
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(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/fredeau/PB100162.jpg)
congrats Fred!
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112 feels lonely... :'( reaching out for other 112s :)
mine saying hi over here...... ;)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/terrenceterrenceterrence/P8280305.jpg)
Gotta have the 9...yeah...must have the 9
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i still considering to get a 112 or 111... like the 9... :)
112 la ;)) firs pan and based is nice, it has complete 3,6,9 and 12 :thumbsup:
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My Pam and me in my office :Cheers:
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/fredeau/PB100164.jpg)
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/fredeau/Pam111.jpg)
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/fredeau/PB100166.jpg)
I love the strap! The colour of strap so striking to bring out the watch.
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Sui Sui lor
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thanks guys, thanks muachee!
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@Terence, Let hijack this thread with our 112 :D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2627/3774531526_173d55075c_b.jpg)
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cool! shark... love the clean look dial!
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Thanks Fred :thumbsup: That's plain sandwiched dial caught my eyes. Particularly, the sandwiched dial (which is unique to Panerai if I not mistaken)
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yeah sshark...will post some pics soon.... when i get back. off to frankfurt tonite....
let's hope the weather's forgiving. :Dancing_banana:
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Bro Scott - mind to pm me the price of Pam 111 and 312? i m struggling wherether to buy it in MY or SG...need to compare the price 1st... this evening will explore 1 of the AD in SG for 312...
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my new toy... (thanks ck, for helping me to post the pic)
Congrats Fred. That's a great looking PAM. :thumbsup:
:Cheers:
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Thanks danny.
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hey guys,
jsut went to Bucherer over here in Frankfurt. Saw the new 40mm Pams in de flesh. looks real tiny next to the regular 44's
ton's of Pams in the display cabinet. Guess times must be bad. unlike the good times ..you would never find any base models in the display. Now there's a 112, 177...312...210 and etc...
there's also a group of mainlander busy punching numbers into their calculators and asking whether the manuals comes in chinese.
now Bucherer hired a mainlander to deal with 'em.
tomorrow will try to drop by Wempe and Sinn factory.
cheers...
meanwhile . greetings from Frankfurt
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/terrenceterrenceterrence/P1030607.jpg)
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Good one Terence ;) maybe u can creat a new post for the Sinn factory visit ;)
cheers and enjoy!!
Scott
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Nice pair of Converse there Terence !
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Terence. The 312 look good on you! How's the weather there? chilling?
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Terence. The 312 look good on you! How's the weather there? chilling?
Fred, i think that is 112 :D Since corrected you, so, 1 pint on you :D
Cheers!
scott
p/s: that's how i cheat my drink :D
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just to share the price of 312 in SG...sgd 9850 with no discount and no ex-stock at the moment by Sinxxxx...might be i m not e regular to them... ::)
ll ask my wife manager whom quite often buying watches from THG see wherether able to squeeze some disc for 312 or not...
however once again thanks for bro scott's info on 312...hope to meet u all at KL if so happen James (JPSP) also there... :D
i heard from my fren that is a grey/private dealer at KL plaza whom offer a good price for most of the watch...any i mind to brief me more on this?
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hey guys,
jsut went to Bucherer over here in Frankfurt. Saw the new 40mm Pams in de flesh. looks real tiny next to the regular 44's
ton's of Pams in the display cabinet. Guess times must be bad. unlike the good times ..you would never find any base models in the display. Now there's a 112, 177...312...210 and etc...
there's also a group of mainlander busy punching numbers into their calculators and asking whether the manuals comes in chinese.
now Bucherer hired a mainlander to deal with 'em.
tomorrow will try to drop by Wempe and Sinn factory.
cheers...
meanwhile . greetings from Frankfurt
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p186/terrenceterrenceterrence/P1030607.jpg)
Hi Terrence,
You mentioned new model on 40mm.... may I know which model you are referring to? kindly let me know asap. tks :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Terence. The 312 look good on you! How's the weather there? chilling?
Fred, i think that is 112 :D Since corrected you, so, 1 pint on you :D
Cheers!
scott
p/s: that's how i cheat my drink :D
Oopss..Ha Ha... not a problem scott. :Cheers:
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Come.. GTG at north.. :Jumping:
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Come.. GTG at north.. :Jumping:
Yeah...when? :Cheers:
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Muachee, i thought you are from south? how come suddenly want to come north? ??? ???
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south still can make a trip to the north, right? hahaha :Cheers:
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hhhaa... it doesn't matter where as long as the place have crazy people like us ;)
btw, i think we should start a new topic for this since the "Beginner" already got his panerai and poisoned..just a matter of time getting one ;)
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south still can make a trip to the north, right? hahaha :Cheers:
yeah... why not. you are most welcome :laugh:you will enjoy food here.
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hey guys,
jsut went to Bucherer over here in Frankfurt. Saw the new 40mm Pams in de flesh. looks real tiny next to the regular 44's
ton's of Pams in the display cabinet. Guess times must be bad. unlike the good times ..you would never find any base models in the display. Now there's a 112, 177...312...210 and etc...
there's also a group of mainlander busy punching numbers into their calculators and asking whether the manuals comes in chinese.
now Bucherer hired a mainlander to deal with 'em.
tomorrow will try to drop by Wempe and Sinn factory.
cheers...
meanwhile . greetings from Frankfurt
Hi Terrence,
You mentioned new model on 40mm.... may I know which model you are referring to? kindly let me know asap. tks :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
well do not know much about the model numbers for the 40mm but saw:
a mini 113
mini chrono white dial daylight
mini 104
and a few others
just go to the panerai.com site and check it out. Bucherer have the complete range if my eyes is not wrong.
as for 312 ...when i was in Milan, my colleague bought his for 4900 euro with 5% discount and 14% VAT rebates. quite a hefty discount!
cheers
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Thanks Terrence..... appreciate it. Nice Sinn you got there. Enjoy!!