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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: Gigi on November 08, 2011, 05:31:28 PM
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I went tru this today at a AD that carry Tag Heuer while i was looking at the 1887 carera which is the only model i am interested in because of it seiko movement origin.
Me: Oh do you know this movement is actually based on Seiko auto chrono movement?
Salesperson: SEIKO!!!!!!!!!!!! NO NO NO, THIS is based on TH in house movement. Same goes to caliber 15/16/5, they are all made in house too. ( the fact that the "caliber 15/16/5 is based on ETA movement lol :Laughing_on_floor:) And this also made by TH in house too dont you (pointing at zenith EP powered monaco) Seiko does not do this kind of thing!!!!
Me: How much is this (1887) cost?
Salesperson: Rm18000 including GST.
Me: :o and walk away laughing at them cause they get their fact wrong.
Another case, this is in the shop where i got my grail from.
Me: Showing them the "Watchtime" magazine that was in the shop featuring Grand Seiko watch and the movement... Wow look at this isn't it beuatiful (honestly speaking its damn beautiful)????
Them: Nah, i dont even bother too look at it. No 2nd hand value.....
Me: :Startled: :Startled: :Startled: Okay..........
The main point is that isnt it quite sad that ppl think seiko as "cheapo watch" brand than super duper high end company? Sigh... I guess they would be surprised if Seiko tapau the swiss on chronometer competition last time. I think they got ban again when they organise the competition last time.
What you guys think about this issue? I think seiko brand is too wide... From cheapest to most expensive watch. They should had do what Lexus, Acura and Infiniti does for the big 3 car maker. ???
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Simple, not every SA is a WIS like you.
Save your gas and moolah and buy somewhere else.
No point 'putting money into their pocket' ;D
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The salesman was right. Tag made the movement which is based on seiko design. They did modify some of the parts though it is for the aestheticity. Btw, Tag owns the right to the design.
Seiko did tat. It has entry level Seiko,Phoenix,credor ,brightz and grand seiko. It is only the public in general do not know about seiko in depth.
when come to luxury, I believe many will agreed bentley is more luxurious than Lexus.
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The salesman was right. Tag made the movement which is based on seiko design. They did modify some of the parts though it is for the aestheticity. Btw, Tag owns the right to the design.
Seiko did tat. It has entry level Seiko,Phoenix,credor ,brightz and grand seiko. It is only the public in general do not know about seiko in depth.
when come to luxury, I believe many will agreed bentley is more luxurious than Lexus.
Nevertheless, you still cant deny its Seiko origin and how TH describe the movement.... You know what I meant right, before the all the "hoo-hah" broke out...
Simple, not every SA is a WIS like you.
Save your gas and moolah and buy somewhere else.
No point 'putting money into their pocket' ;D
True also, too bad most ppl but the watch for its looks and not mega hardcore like we do. :thumbsdown:
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Hi,
The mastershop grand seikos are really well made, but for the price, most people would rather buy swiss brands which seems more credible.
They need a few legendary models of their own, if they want to change the perception.
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The salesman was right. Tag made the movement which is based on seiko design. They did modify some of the parts though it is for the aestheticity. Btw, Tag owns the right to the design.
Seiko did tat. It has entry level Seiko,Phoenix,credor ,brightz and grand seiko. It is only the public in general do not know about seiko in depth.
when come to luxury, I believe many will agreed bentley is more luxurious than Lexus.
Nevertheless, you still cant deny its Seiko origin and how TH describe the movement.... You know what I meant right, before the all the "hoo-hah" broke out...
Simple, not every SA is a WIS like you.
Save your gas and moolah and buy somewhere else.
No point 'putting money into their pocket' ;D
True also, too bad most ppl but the watch for its looks and not mega hardcore like we do. :thumbsdown:
I think there are thread that have been debating about the TH using Seiko base, which come to this "Purist". BTW, I am at your site for this debate ;D :Cheers:
Seiko is viewed as too wide selection cause they want to target all segment, which is their strategic. But definitely benefit some of us who can appreciate Seiko with affordable price. ;D
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I think there are thread that have been debating about the TH using Seiko base, which come to this "Purist". BTW, I am at your site for this debate ;D :Cheers:
Seiko is viewed as too wide selection cause they want to target all segment, which is their strategic. But definitely benefit some of us who can appreciate Seiko with affordable price. ;D
Agree with siodee on this. It is great that Seiko caters for all levels of watch collectors, users and the likes.
Sadly one of the main reason Seiko does not do well in the luxury level is the 'snob' factor. Most people knows 'Swiss Made' as good and expensive while 'Seiko 5' is cheap and well cheap. So, wearing a Grand Seiko or a Spring Drive is like 'What? so expensive, here my Seiko 5 only RMxxx.' and 'Wah, Swiss watch ah? so you must be doing well'.
With education and exposure, I am sure Seiko will do well in the luxury segment.
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Agree with siodee on this. It is great that Seiko caters for all levels of watch collectors, users and the likes.
Sadly one of the main reason Seiko does not do well in the luxury level is the 'snob' factor. Most people knows 'Swiss Made' as good and expensive while 'Seiko 5' is cheap and well cheap. So, wearing a Grand Seiko or a Spring Drive is like 'What? so expensive, here my Seiko 5 only RMxxx.' and 'Wah, Swiss watch ah? so you must be doing well'.
With education and exposure, I am sure Seiko will do well in the luxury segment.
That kinda of mentality is hard to shake given that GS and Seiko5 / Premier looks almost the same if it is not scrutinize properly.
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I think there are thread that have been debating about the TH using Seiko base, which come to this "Purist". BTW, I am at your site for this debate ;D :Cheers:
Seiko is viewed as too wide selection cause they want to target all segment, which is their strategic. But definitely benefit some of us who can appreciate Seiko with affordable price. ;D
Agree with siodee on this. It is great that Seiko caters for all levels of watch collectors, users and the likes.
Sadly one of the main reason Seiko does not do well in the luxury level is the 'snob' factor. Most people knows 'Swiss Made' as good and expensive while 'Seiko 5' is cheap and well cheap. So, wearing a Grand Seiko or a Spring Drive is like 'What? so expensive, here my Seiko 5 only RMxxx.' and 'Wah, Swiss watch ah? so you must be doing well'.
With education and exposure, I am sure Seiko will do well in the luxury segment.
Agreed with both siodee and hobbit comments.
Anyway, I am a Seiko fan and will support Seiko most of the time.
Seiko Rocks!!
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Folks,
Allow me to dispense my two cents comment. Guilty, I am a by product of heavy Swiss made marketing, so much so, I initially have the impression, even a branded quartz will still be better than a Japs automatic. I started off with some quartz, and finally landed with my first Frederique Constant automatic few months ago. Well built and I like it very much, till last week. Seiko to me, is nothing but another Casio, seriously, look at the way they market their product, in Malaysia in particular. They did not put much emphasis on automatic calibre, many were rather fashionable watch with associate celebrity ambassador. Is this what a quality marketing about ? Oh yes, it works for the mass market, not so for the enthusiast.
I took some time to understand the good old Seiko 5, and eventually bought two military style watch, one for me, another of the same for my wife. We both were surprised when we compare the seiko with our Swiss made automatic and quartz. Impressive. Even more impressed with the relative affordable price, I call it cheap !
I wouldn't blame so much on the company or marketing. Believe it or not, it is really up to the customer and how they perceived time. To each to its own good.
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Folks,
Allow me to dispense my two cents comment. Guilty, I am a by product of heavy Swiss made marketing, so much so, I initially have the impression, even a branded quartz will still be better than a Japs automatic. I started off with some quartz, and finally landed with my first Frederique Constant automatic few months ago. Well built and I like it very much, till last week. Seiko to me, is nothing but another Casio, seriously, look at the way they market their product, in Malaysia in particular. They did not put much emphasis on automatic calibre, many were rather fashionable watch with associate celebrity ambassador. Is this what a quality marketing about ? Oh yes, it works for the mass market, not so for the enthusiast.
I took some time to understand the good old Seiko 5, and eventually bought two military style watch, one for me, another of the same for my wife. We both were surprised when we compare the seiko with our Swiss made automatic and quartz. Impressive. Even more impressed with the relative affordable price, I call it cheap !
I wouldn't blame so much on the company or marketing. Believe it or not, it is really up to the customer and how they perceived time. To each to its own good.
Well said! I'd call it best bang for the buck! :thumbsup:
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I had long lost the patience to argue with the mass on the merits of seiko. I just let it be nowadays. Although i personally feel the price for a GS should be lower by RM5000 for every model ;D. +- RM20,000 for one is still unacceptable to me.
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I had long lost the patience to argue with the mass on the merits of seiko. I just let it be nowadays. Although i personally feel the price for a GS should be lower by RM5000 for every model ;D. +- RM20,000 for one is still unacceptable to me.
hey, I also find the price for a Aquanaut and Nautilus should be 20grand lower :laugh:
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I had long lost the patience to argue with the mass on the merits of seiko. I just let it be nowadays. Although i personally feel the price for a GS should be lower by RM5000 for every model ;D. +- RM20,000 for one is still unacceptable to me.
hey, I also find the price for a Aquanaut and Nautilus should be 20grand lower :laugh:
100% agreed.
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I had long lost the patience to argue with the mass on the merits of seiko. I just let it be nowadays. Although i personally feel the price for a GS should be lower by RM5000 for every model ;D. +- RM20,000 for one is still unacceptable to me.
hey, I also find the price for a Aquanaut and Nautilus should be 20grand lower :laugh:
Pam zeroes should be rm5k :HammerHead:
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I had long lost the patience to argue with the mass on the merits of seiko. I just let it be nowadays. Although i personally feel the price for a GS should be lower by RM5000 for every model ;D. +- RM20,000 for one is still unacceptable to me.
hey, I also find the price for a Aquanaut and Nautilus should be 20grand lower :laugh:
Pam zeroes should be rm5k :HammerHead:
totally agree :thumbsup: and price increase can only be done if wage increase double concurrently
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I had long lost the patience to argue with the mass on the merits of seiko. I just let it be nowadays. Although i personally feel the price for a GS should be lower by RM5000 for every model ;D. +- RM20,000 for one is still unacceptable to me.
hey, I also find the price for a Aquanaut and Nautilus should be 20grand lower :laugh:
Pam zeroes should be rm5k :HammerHead:
totally agree :thumbsup: and price increase can only be done if wage increase double concurrently
Lol, i wished rolek doesnt increase the price like crazy... I would prefer to buy it frist hand but then... sigh.....
Does anyone show their high end seiko and other ppl wowed? ???
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I had long lost the patience to argue with the mass on the merits of seiko. I just let it be nowadays. Although i personally feel the price for a GS should be lower by RM5000 for every model ;D. +- RM20,000 for one is still unacceptable to me.
hey, I also find the price for a Aquanaut and Nautilus should be 20grand lower :laugh:
Pam zeroes should be rm5k :HammerHead:
Nolah, when Panerai first came out in Malaysia it was rm6,000. So zero should be about there. :)
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hahha so while Panerai's prices grew exponentially.. our wages remain stagnant :Mad:
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hahha so while Panerai's prices grew exponentially.. our wages remain stagnant :Mad:
Sad isn't it :-[
But seems like Pam didn't contribute much to Italian economy as Berlusconi is going down :Laughing_on_floor:
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hahha so while Panerai's prices grew exponentially.. our wages remain stagnant :Mad:
Sad isn't it :-[
But seems like Pam didn't contribute much to Italian economy as Berlusconi is going down :Laughing_on_floor:
I guess the money din go into italy... The $ instead go to Richmont manager in Switzerland. :Laughing_on_floor:
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This is my Seiko Ananta - the leader of my seiko collection -
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U3S7sB1eJHg/Tq9elwN5-kI/AAAAAAAANNI/WoExmWKqSkc/s640/DSC_0120.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PxkO5FwzJIA/Tq9ekgj6YyI/AAAAAAAANM4/KitpJjLSGpc/s640/DSC_0118.JPG)
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meoramri, your seiko ananta look very solid and very nice watch.
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This is my Seiko Ananta - the leader of my seiko collection -
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U3S7sB1eJHg/Tq9elwN5-kI/AAAAAAAANNI/WoExmWKqSkc/s640/DSC_0120.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PxkO5FwzJIA/Tq9ekgj6YyI/AAAAAAAANM4/KitpJjLSGpc/s640/DSC_0118.JPG)
Very nice indeed :thumbsup:
So which brand will be the next like Pam, exponential increment ;D
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Woah... that Ananta is in another league altogether... cun :thumbsup:
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Does anyone show their high end seiko and other ppl wowed? ???
Yes, show it to WIS like you and me, and we will wowed over the GS.
But show it to the general public, they will "Err, Seiko, ar?"
I guess the money din go into italy... The $ instead go to Richmont manager in Switzerland
True.
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This is my Seiko Ananta - the leader of my seiko collection -
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U3S7sB1eJHg/Tq9elwN5-kI/AAAAAAAANNI/WoExmWKqSkc/s640/DSC_0120.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PxkO5FwzJIA/Tq9ekgj6YyI/AAAAAAAANM4/KitpJjLSGpc/s640/DSC_0118.JPG)
Love your Seiko Ananta, meoramri.
Very nice indeed :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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And I guess among seiko afficiandos themselves, there is a "discrimination" against "not made in Japan" seikos. Many collectors wish to see "MADE IN JAPAN" printed on the caseback and "Japan" on the bottom of the dial.
Some of the older Seiko 150m divers are really well made and tough. My seiko 6105 diver runs within +2 sec a day in every position, resting or worn. The 6309-7040 diver is not as accurate though, but feels really robust. My 6146-8000 GS is still running at +1 sec a day despite being made in 1969.
I don't really care what other people think about Seiko, collecting watches is really a very personal thing. Over the years I have converted a number of rolex-only fans to buying seikos (from my collection...hahahha ;D).
But I do agree the modern GS are a little too over-priced (due mainly to the current high yen value I guess). Yes, you do get a super nicely finished watch with in-house movement, but for the same price, you can get a cartier or zenith (also a nice but often underrated brand).
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Hi Guys, I'm wondering what actually defines the grade differences on the various Seiko series... For example, Seiko Ananta vs Seiko Spring Drive, which one is better and what defines them?
Also, may I know where you got your Ananta from? As I don't see these kind of series before in the streets before.
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Hi Guys, I'm wondering what actually defines the grade differences on the various Seiko series... For example, Seiko Ananta vs Seiko Spring Drive, which one is better and what defines them?
Seiko spring drive - The Spring Drive is a novel watch movement that was developed by Seiko which uses a mainspring, barrel, automatic winder and stem winding like in a mechanical watch to store the watch energy. The conventional escapement is replaced with a device that Seiko calls a Tri-synchro Regulator to regulate the unwinding of the mainspring. The regulator controls the use of the three forms of energy used in the Spring Drive mechanism; the mechanical power of the mainspring, the electrical energy generated from this mechanical power, and the electromagnetic energy that governs the rotation of the glide wheel. The energy produced by the glide wheel is used to power a control circuit and quartz crystal oscillator, which in turn regulates the electro-mechanical braking of the glide wheel.
The movement is used on the Spring Drive International collection and in some watches of Grand Seiko, Credor, Galante, Izul, Ananta and Prospex series.
For indepth study on this revolutionary movement, see a timezone link :
http://www.timezone.com/library/rdnotebook/200509073623
Seiko Ananta - Ananta is a Sanskrit word that means ‘the infinite’. When the SEIKO design team embarked on this creation, they were told that there were no boundaries. They were given infinite scope to build a watch that embodied the SEIKO dream of “the most technologically advanced craftsmanship in the world”. They could explore any design direction and seek new inspiration wherever they chose. Ananta is the result: a collection that expresses SEIKO’s dedication to infinite perfection.
Another unique feature of the Ananta is the time-setting work. The hour and minute hands can be set separately, with the first detent of the crown setting the hours, and the second detent, minutes. But the clever part of this is that the hour hand moves in hour-interval clicks rather then continuously, and in such a way that it always maintains the proper relative position to the minute hand.
I believe This is handy for adjusting for Daylight Savings Time, or for changing to a different time zone.
In short, the Ananta also uses the spring dive technology.
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Hi Guys, I'm wondering what actually defines the grade differences on the various Seiko series... For example, Seiko Ananta vs Seiko Spring Drive, which one is better and what defines them?
Also, may I know where you got your Ananta from? As I don't see these kind of series before in the streets before.
I got mine when Seiko did their 130yr celebration in KL. The main distributor in Malaysia said that at the moment they don't have the right to carry the brand in Msia yet. They brought in just one of every sub-series under the Ananta brand. I bought the retrograde when they exhibited the Seiko range in Mid Valley Mall.
The only problem that I may face is servicing. It can only be done in Japan as the main distributor is not qualified by Seiko Japan to service this type of watch. Hopefully, the AD does get certified in the next couple of years so that I can at get the watch serviced locally!
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Hi Guys, I'm wondering what actually defines the grade differences on the various Seiko series... For example, Seiko Ananta vs Seiko Spring Drive, which one is better and what defines them?
Also, may I know where you got your Ananta from? As I don't see these kind of series before in the streets before.
I got mine when Seiko did their 130yr celebration in KL. The main distributor in Malaysia said that at the moment they don't have the right to carry the brand in Msia yet. They brought in just one of every sub-series under the Ananta brand. I bought the retrograde when they exhibited the Seiko range in Mid Valley Mall.
The only problem that I may face is servicing. It can only be done in Japan as the main distributor is not qualified by Seiko Japan to service this type of watch. Hopefully, the AD does get certified in the next couple of years so that I can at get the watch serviced locally!
this is quite hassle as I also met this issue...
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Hi Guys, I'm wondering what actually defines the grade differences on the various Seiko series... For example, Seiko Ananta vs Seiko Spring Drive, which one is better and what defines them?
Seiko spring drive - The Spring Drive is a novel watch movement that was developed by Seiko which uses a mainspring, barrel, automatic winder and stem winding like in a mechanical watch to store the watch energy. The conventional escapement is replaced with a device that Seiko calls a Tri-synchro Regulator to regulate the unwinding of the mainspring. The regulator controls the use of the three forms of energy used in the Spring Drive mechanism; the mechanical power of the mainspring, the electrical energy generated from this mechanical power, and the electromagnetic energy that governs the rotation of the glide wheel. The energy produced by the glide wheel is used to power a control circuit and quartz crystal oscillator, which in turn regulates the electro-mechanical braking of the glide wheel.
The movement is used on the Spring Drive International collection and in some watches of Grand Seiko, Credor, Galante, Izul, Ananta and Prospex series.
For indepth study on this revolutionary movement, see a timezone link :
http://www.timezone.com/library/rdnotebook/200509073623
Seiko Ananta - Ananta is a Sanskrit word that means ‘the infinite’. When the SEIKO design team embarked on this creation, they were told that there were no boundaries. They were given infinite scope to build a watch that embodied the SEIKO dream of “the most technologically advanced craftsmanship in the world”. They could explore any design direction and seek new inspiration wherever they chose. Ananta is the result: a collection that expresses SEIKO’s dedication to infinite perfection.
Another unique feature of the Ananta is the time-setting work. The hour and minute hands can be set separately, with the first detent of the crown setting the hours, and the second detent, minutes. But the clever part of this is that the hour hand moves in hour-interval clicks rather then continuously, and in such a way that it always maintains the proper relative position to the minute hand.
I believe This is handy for adjusting for Daylight Savings Time, or for changing to a different time zone.
In short, the Ananta also uses the spring dive technology.
Thanks for your information :)
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Hi Guys, I'm wondering what actually defines the grade differences on the various Seiko series... For example, Seiko Ananta vs Seiko Spring Drive, which one is better and what defines them?
Also, may I know where you got your Ananta from? As I don't see these kind of series before in the streets before.
I got mine when Seiko did their 130yr celebration in KL. The main distributor in Malaysia said that at the moment they don't have the right to carry the brand in Msia yet. They brought in just one of every sub-series under the Ananta brand. I bought the retrograde when they exhibited the Seiko range in Mid Valley Mall.
The only problem that I may face is servicing. It can only be done in Japan as the main distributor is not qualified by Seiko Japan to service this type of watch. Hopefully, the AD does get certified in the next couple of years so that I can at get the watch serviced locally!
Ohh my... This means it will be hard for me to catch a glimpse of it. How much is the Ananta series?
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Thanks for your information :)
You are welcome.
We share and share information and discussion in MWF. ;D
Have a Good weekend.
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Hi Guys, I'm wondering what actually defines the grade differences on the various Seiko series... For example, Seiko Ananta vs Seiko Spring Drive, which one is better and what defines them?
Also, may I know where you got your Ananta from? As I don't see these kind of series before in the streets before.
I got mine when Seiko did their 130yr celebration in KL. The main distributor in Malaysia said that at the moment they don't have the right to carry the brand in Msia yet. They brought in just one of every sub-series under the Ananta brand. I bought the retrograde when they exhibited the Seiko range in Mid Valley Mall.
The only problem that I may face is servicing. It can only be done in Japan as the main distributor is not qualified by Seiko Japan to service this type of watch. Hopefully, the AD does get certified in the next couple of years so that I can at get the watch serviced locally!
Ohh my... This means it will be hard for me to catch a glimpse of it. How much is the Ananta series?
When I got mine, a few months ago, it was slightly above RM8k
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Finally found the 'few' who appreciate the GS. Just to share...
I started buying watches > 30 yrs ago starting with Titoni, Enicar, Favre Leuba, Omega Constellation, Citizen & Seiko. In the 80's I started buying Heur then TAGs. By 90's I had sold off all the TAGs at 1/4 their original price and moved on to 4 Rolex ( GMT II, Explorer, Submariner and SeaDweller). By 2000 all the Rollies were gone (made good money too) replaced by JLCs and Omega Co-Axials.
Over the last few years in my travels to Japan, HK, Singapore where I met up with some WIS there, I started buying GS. The finishing of the cases, movt, dials, hands under a 20X loupe is quite unbelievable even when compared to the JLCs that I still keep. My Omegas don't come anywhere close although the Co Axials timekeeping & rates are very consistent abt +1.5 secs daily. Compared to Spring Drives they are still far behind but better than the manual wind Cal. 9S64 130th Ann. SBGW033.
The 2 Spring Drives that I bought, one a GS SBGC003 Cal.9R86 Chrono/GMT and the other an Ananta GMT Cal. 5R66 SNR021J1 together with the GS manual wind 130th Ann SBGW033 has been taking turns on my wrist since I bought them relegating the JLCs and Omegas to weekly time adjustments and back to the watch box.
You have to touch, feel, handle and inspect a GS or Ananta under a 20X or maybe 40X loupe to believe the precision of their finishing. We must of course realise that Grand Seiko uses industrial technology whereas the high end Swiss still uses artisan craftmanship (talking abt PD, FPJ, AP, PP) Each GS is hand assembled by an assigned Master watchmaker from start to finish. Ananta's are also hand assembled but on a production line each technician doing a specific task. Some of the critical GS parts are now made by LIGA technology for high precision tolerances (but called MEMS by Seiko).
How many Swiss brands have that.
Compare the production figures of GS/Anantas against their equivalent Swiss counterparts costing even twice as much and you'll still be boggled. Talk about being exclusive when Swiss luxury brands churn out a million or in some cases > a million watches per brand/per year where most of these are assembled by assembly line robotics (except PP,VC,AP,JLC,GP,AHCI's,Renaud & Papi & Christophe Claret).
GS production is in the ten of thousands not hundreds of thousands or millions.
I'm looking to add the SBGA011 GS SD Snowflake next. When I saw the snowflake dial under a 20X loupe in person, the hair on my hands stood up but I had just bought the SBGW033 130th Ann so I had to pull the handbrake.... but eventually the Snowflake will be mine...
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what i always reiterate is that, we are not paying any much more for "Swiss Artisan's" handcrafted work, but for the Swiss Artisan's "social welfare and safety net" instead. There's much to pay for the Swiss to maintain their "swiss standard of living" and pensions.
well that is life i guess................. :Laughing_on_floor:
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I'm looking to add the GS SD Snowflake next. When I saw the snowflake dial in person, my hair literally stood up but I had just bought the 130th Ann so I had to pull the handbrake.... but eventually the Snowflake will be mine...
another guy chasing snowflake ::)
the competition is stiff ;D
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ivanswk,
No worries. Snowflake is regular production.
On the other hand 130th Ann SBGW033 is extremely hard to come across as there was only 1 piece of the SS assigned to the watch dealer I met (300 pieces out of Japan and 1,000 for Japan domestic)
The platinum & gold 130th Ann is 130 pieces worldwide but costs almost 4 times & 3 times respectively vs the SS.
Besides I find the beautifully perfectly blued seconds hand of the SS much nicer vs the platinum second hand of the platinum version.
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I went tru this today at a AD that carry Tag Heuer while i was looking at the 1887 carera which is the only model i am interested in because of it seiko movement origin.
Me: Oh do you know this movement is actually based on Seiko auto chrono movement?
Salesperson: SEIKO!!!!!!!!!!!! NO NO NO, THIS is based on TH in house movement. Same goes to caliber 15/16/5, they are all made in house too. ( the fact that the "caliber 15/16/5 is based on ETA movement lol :Laughing_on_floor:) And this also made by TH in house too dont you (pointing at zenith EP powered monaco) Seiko does not do this kind of thing!!!!
Me: How much is this (1887) cost?
Salesperson: Rm18000 including GST.
Me: :o and walk away laughing at them cause they get their fact wrong.
Another case, this is in the shop where i got my grail from.
Me: Showing them the "Watchtime" magazine that was in the shop featuring Grand Seiko watch and the movement... Wow look at this isn't it beuatiful (honestly speaking its damn beautiful)????
Them: Nah, i dont even bother too look at it. No 2nd hand value.....
Me: :Startled: :Startled: :Startled: Okay..........
The main point is that isnt it quite sad that ppl think seiko as "cheapo watch" brand than super duper high end company? Sigh... I guess they would be surprised if Seiko tapau the swiss on chronometer competition last time. I think they got ban again when they organise the competition last time.
What you guys think about this issue? I think seiko brand is too wide... From cheapest to most expensive watch. They should had do what Lexus, Acura and Infiniti does for the big 3 car maker. ???
That's why we are lucky to have this Malaysia very own watch forum to educate junior watch enthusiast like me :thumbsup: