Malaysia Watch Forum
Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: G.MAC on July 26, 2011, 08:43:07 AM
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Just like to know, would you buy a watch if it wasnt a fullset e.g: either no box or no paper or neither of either but the price is really good? Personally for me i would look at the brand to decide..Rollies and Pams are brands which i insist on there being a fullset or at least papers. I can live without the box but papers are essential. But for less replicated models, i do not mind there being no box or papers provided I trust the seller as some of them dont keep the box or papers in high regards and frequently misplace or lost them. What about the rest of you?
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I would.... if I want the watch bad enough... :thumbsup:
But at least get it authenticated.
Once you send for servicing, there's a new receipt for extended warranty anyway... that's good enough for me ;D
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Agree with Hanz
I would need to trust the seller though :laugh:
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yeah, `buying the seller' is one of the best advice i picked from MWF sifus..
Maybe if we trust the seller, papers becomes secondary, especially when if there is a piece at right price begging you to buy it...
Although papers might be an important issue if you plan to flip the watch (and be the actual seller) in future?
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Papers would be nice when buying pre-loved watches. But I guess it would be brand dependent. On some brands like Rolex, more so on vintage pieces, a full set would command a high price. However it is not a concern with me. Most important is to get the watch verified, in Rolex case, by RSC. Once serviced, you have the new RSC service papers and that is sufficient. Same with Tudor. But RSC have been known to make mistakes, more so on vintage Rolex. Hence my apprehension in collecting vintage Rolex. It took RSC 2 weeks to verify my Snowflake as it was powered by a non standard movement. Was a very tense 2 weeks for the seller and me.
On the issue of Panerai, I would go with full set. That is just me.
On lesser known brand, I don't really mind if there are no paperwork as there not really any paperwork. Most of the time it is the warranty card and owner instruction manual. Also less fakes on lesser known brands.
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To me buying a Rolex without paper and box is fine...
you can even get it cheaper...
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Normally, I would buy a watch base on the watch itself, eg the condition and the overall appearance of a particular piece. Look out for excessive buffing and handiwork.
Light polishing for used watches is normal to bring out the life and shine but heavy buffing is a no-no.
If the watch is in a very pristine condition but without papers…why not?.
For those who are paranoid, the shop’s paper (sales receipt) is good enough to clear you from any uncertainties….
Unless, of course, if you are buying from an individual – without papers or whatsoever, then it a bit tricky.
When buying pre-loved, a complete set (from shops) is quite rare. If it comes with papers, then it’s a bonus, with boxes…better still…..
It’s a open secret that the papers alone will set you back from rm300-1000k, depending on the make and model.. Eg, a normal Rolex box will takes you back by rm300.(one MWF member found out the hard way).
Of course, a pre-owned watch with complete sets demands a higher / better value (price), which is also value for the money you pay…
As the saying goes, buy the seller…why?.
Unscrupulous seller may and might perform the following;
a) Interchanging internal parts.
b) Cannibalize parts from genuine to aftermarket
c) Wrong parts, eg bracelet from the wrong year (serial no.) model to be fitted another year model. Some says, as long as its 20mm lug…..can fit..lah (purist will never accept this)
d) Mismatched and out-of aligned cases still calling the shot
e) Worst of all….selling stolen merchandise…………and etc…
My 2 cts worth…
dc.
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DC, your advises on the unscrupulous seller are great stuff:
a) Interchanging internal parts.
b) Cannibalize parts from genuine to aftermarket
c) Wrong parts, eg bracelet from the wrong year (serial no.) model to be fitted another year model. Some says, as long as its 20mm lug…..can fit..lah (purist will never accept this)
d) Mismatched and out-of aligned cases still calling the shot
e) Worst of all….selling stolen merchandise…………and etc… :thumbsup:
Btw, the watchoholic at Summit doesnt fit into any of the above, does he? ???
All negative...
dc
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Normally, I would buy a watch base on the watch itself, eg the condition and the overall appearance of a particular piece. Look out for excessive buffing and handiwork.
Light polishing for used watches is normal to bring out the life and shine but heavy buffing is a no-no.
If the watch is in a very pristine condition but without papers…why not?.
For those who are paranoid, the shop’s paper (sales receipt) is good enough to clear you from any uncertainties….
Unless, of course, if you are buying from an individual – without papers or whatsoever, then it a bit tricky.
When buying pre-loved, a complete set (from shops) is quite rare. If it comes with papers, then it’s a bonus, with boxes…better still…..
It’s a open secret that the papers alone will set you back from rm300-1000k, depending on the make and model.. Eg, a normal Rolex box will takes you back by rm300.(one MWF member found out the hard way).
Of course, a pre-owned watch with complete sets demands a higher / better value (price), which is also value for the money you pay…
As the saying goes, buy the seller…why?.
Unscrupulous seller may and might perform the following;
a) Interchanging internal parts.
b) Cannibalize parts from genuine to aftermarket
c) Wrong parts, eg bracelet from the wrong year (serial no.) model to be fitted another year model. Some says, as long as its 20mm lug…..can fit..lah (purist will never accept this)
d) Mismatched and out-of aligned cases still calling the shot
e) Worst of all….selling stolen merchandise…………and etc…
My 2 cts worth…
dc.
+1 :thumbsup:
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+2 :thumbsup:
I'm fairly happy with the summit guy zitan, a nice chap and the company at the shop were also very helpful, dc himself too :Cheers: