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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: wslee on July 25, 2011, 12:04:35 AM
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Which do you prefer when you buy watch?
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If you can afford the only one - Quality
If you can afford many one - Quantity and Quality
However, if you can afford masses to fill your watch box - Quantity.
Quantity vs Quality, personally I would go for quality.
dc
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haha, good question, I started of with
1) Quantities
2) Quantities with Quality
3) Quantities with market Brand
4) Quality (in this stage) :thumbsup:
5) Quality with drool Brand (future roadmap) :mooning:
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I used to go for quantity juz to fill my watchbox.
Then I change to some quality ones with some ok ones as beaters...
Now I did a stalinist purge of my watches and go for quality only.
The purge have left me with only 3 watches now... Not much of a collection anymore lor... Lol
The thing with quality is that one you dive in and get one, other sub par ones just doesn't cut it anymore.
But if the poison is deep, will still buy... Then flip... Itchy butt syndrome...
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When we first start collecting watches, our butt is so itchy that we go mainly for quantity to scratch the itch. However, the 'itch' will be like a kurap whereby the more you scratch, the worse it becomes. So we just keep on buying to scratch an ever itchier itch.After your body develops antibodies to counter the massive itch, it becomes more bearable and we will think to put some expensive medicine on the itch. This is where we go for quality over quantity. (personal experience) :Laughing_on_floor:
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I would go for quality. how many watches can u wear? notwithstanding, those wear a watch for fashion statement.
again... quality also dependent on the price. you can expect tag finishing for rm500,right? so if it gives u the quality close its price tag, i would say it is a "quality" watch, again notwithstanding, a rm20 quality watch selling @ rm30... if u know what i mean..
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I think I will fall into the quantity group as I intend to have a dress watch, an aviator & a diver, a round shaped and a square shaped. Nato strap, leather and stainless steel strap ect. Swiss, German, Rusky and Chinky made
Cannot afford to have high quality for all.
Anyway quality to some might not mean the same to high network
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I think i would go for quality too. Just curious,cos lots of the sifu here own many watches
Wondering what drives them to buy so much..hehehe
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I think i would go for quality too. Just curious,cos lots of the sifu here own many watches
Wondering what drives them to buy so much..hehehe
Poisoned by MWF :thumbsup:
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it all depend at the time we buy, how would you all rate the quality,to me a Ball watch is better than a Rolex on the outside very solid.
I prefer quantity, instead of own a lange & sohne watch I would many rolex sub etc..
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Same as many here....started with quantity, but eventually through several "Stalinist Purge" (nice one!), became very selective on functionality and how it wears. Wrist time being the deciding factor.
I think I'm settled at last (for now ;D) with a 14060m transitional , 16570 , 6309-7040, 6139 and GShock...all of which get equal wrist time
Wait..forgot about the Enicar Sherpa Jet in the resto shop ;)
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Quality... IMO, if upgraded to a quality expensive luxury watch, the old ones will not have enough wrist time....
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Quality... IMO, if upgraded to a quality expensive luxury watch, the old ones will not have enough wrist time....
U will use your 'quality expensive luxury watch' as a daily beater? Heresy!!! It is meant to be kept on a winder in a safe and only used during the 1st full moon of a leap year :Laughing_on_floor:
Seriously you might end up with a heavy worn strap & scratched bezel
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That's the dilemma. Pays more but wearing it less. I used to keep it aside and wear it for occasion. Now I just wear them in rotation. If it get scratched, have to accept it reluctantly. Or polish it off if possible. as days go by, u will come to terms with it. U can't wear a watch and expect the watch in pristine condition.
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i am still with quantity stage...but in the same time keep myself knowledgeable so i can get quality with affordable price...
quality someday...
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That's the dilemma. Pays more but wearing it less. I used to keep it aside and wear it for occasion. Now I just wear them in rotation. If it get scratched, have to accept it reluctantly. Or polish it off if possible. as days go by, u will come to terms with it. U can't wear a watch and expect the watch in pristine condition.
I agree. Generally, I go for quality but will have a few for sports activities like wearing my g-shock. I had a bad experience when my apartment was broken into, and unfortunately I wore the g-shock and my Rolex and Tag was taken.
Now still have phobia!!!
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I don't understand why ppl buy expensive watches and then keep them in a winder...
I wear all my watches expensive or not most of the time...
You can't avoid scratches and dings forever but for me, it adds character...
I always believed that watches are static products until someone makes history with it...
Wear it long enough and there will be some sort of connection with it... the "bond" that we all know but did not realize.
Watches that we often remember are etched into our hearts not because of how pristine we kept it or how expensive the watch is, but the history behind that watch that might be owned and worn to death by our Dads, Uncles, Grandpas and so on... :)
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I don't understand why ppl buy expensive watches and then keep them in a winder...
I wear all my watches expensive or not most of the time...
You can't avoid scratches and dings forever but for me, it adds character...
I always believed that watches are static products until someone makes history with it...
Wear it long enough and there will be some sort of connection with it... the "bond" that we all know but did not realize.
Watches that we often remember are etched into our hearts not because of how pristine we kept it or how expensive the watch is, but the history behind that watch that might be owned and worn to death by our Dads, Uncles, Grandpas and so on... :)
too valuable? too much attention gained? out of place( wearing a patek to go for exercise)? many reasons that are unbeknownst to us. I for one wear according to the occasion. As for scratches and dings, i dont mind scratches but dings are a bit more heartbreaking. I create a bond with my watch by buying them according to a certain achievement or significant event that occurs in my life. Of course if it is in pristine order and expensive, it adds to the overall 'feel good' feeling. Since only my senior and myself are watchmaniacs, i cant comment on the history part as we have to make the history behind the watch for ourselves. :Laughing_on_floor:
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me and my boss...learned our lesson....
while travelling..put on your cheapest watch on your wrist....
i was robbed, handphone and watch at bulgaria....a few month later my boss at italy....his rolex....
nowadays....prefer travel with g-shock.....hehehe......in the hope no one break in...(wah like that also susah la....)
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When I travel I would prefer to wear my seiko GMT watches. More so, if there is a timezone difference. It is really useful. I dun hv to reset my watch forth and back.
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I don't understand why ppl buy expensive watches and then keep them in a winder...
I wear all my watches expensive or not most of the time...
You can't avoid scratches and dings forever but for me, it adds character...
I always believed that watches are static products until someone makes history with it...
Wear it long enough and there will be some sort of connection with it... the "bond" that we all know but did not realize.
Watches that we often remember are etched into our hearts not because of how pristine we kept it or how expensive the watch is, but the history behind that watch that might be owned and worn to death by our Dads, Uncles, Grandpas and so on... :)
too valuable? too much attention gained? out of place( wearing a patek to go for exercise)? many reasons that are unbeknownst to us. I for one wear according to the occasion. As for scratches and dings, i dont mind scratches but dings are a bit more heartbreaking. I create a bond with my watch by buying them according to a certain achievement or significant event that occurs in my life. Of course if it is in pristine order and expensive, it adds to the overall 'feel good' feeling. Since only my senior and myself are watchmaniacs, i cant comment on the history part as we have to make the history behind the watch for ourselves. :Laughing_on_floor:
Hmmm, maybe I should be more specific.
Yes, there are watches more suitable for an occasion like you mentioned.
No, I would not wear a Patek for jogging, but I will wear a submariner or a planet ocean if I have one... ;D
What I mean is those ppl who buy expensive watches, never wear for any occasion.
The furthest is maybe taking the watch to a stroll on his own backyard... where's the fun in that?
Yeah, maybe there are many reasons and I am just being too general... apologies if feelings got hurt. :thumbsup:
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I don't understand why ppl buy expensive watches and then keep them in a winder...
I wear all my watches expensive or not most of the time...
You can't avoid scratches and dings forever but for me, it adds character...
I always believed that watches are static products until someone makes history with it...
Wear it long enough and there will be some sort of connection with it... the "bond" that we all know but did not realize.
Watches that we often remember are etched into our hearts not because of how pristine we kept it or how expensive the watch is, but the history behind that watch that might be owned and worn to death by our Dads, Uncles, Grandpas and so on... :)
too valuable? too much attention gained? out of place( wearing a patek to go for exercise)? many reasons that are unbeknownst to us. I for one wear according to the occasion. As for scratches and dings, i dont mind scratches but dings are a bit more heartbreaking. I create a bond with my watch by buying them according to a certain achievement or significant event that occurs in my life. Of course if it is in pristine order and expensive, it adds to the overall 'feel good' feeling. Since only my senior and myself are watchmaniacs, i cant comment on the history part as we have to make the history behind the watch for ourselves. :Laughing_on_floor:
Hmmm, maybe I should be more specific.
Yes, there are watches more suitable for an occasion like you mentioned.
No, I would not wear a Patek for jogging, but I will wear a submariner or a planet ocean if I have one... ;D
What I mean is those ppl who buy expensive watches, never wear for any occasion.
The furthest is maybe taking the watch to a stroll on his own backyard... where's the fun in that?
Yeah, maybe there are many reasons and I am just being too general... apologies if feelings got hurt. :thumbsup:
No worries. Just commenting on the whole scenario and stating what i believe and practise. I know exactly what you mean by the fact that some put expensive watch in winders but because I am not in their shoes, I cant understand them so i rationalise their actions. Maybe a very expensive watch is like a 50 carat diamond ring and not suitable to be worn in everyday life?
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Can I say quantity is more for watch collectors while quality for watch enthusiasts? IMHO, hardcore collectors will just sapu any watches, cheap or expensive, for the history, not necessary for wearing it, etc...
I'm not so much of a collector myself but just love watches, browsing, reading, admiring and constantly searching for the grail.
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Watches kept in winders are not much better than wall clocks I think. But then, I guess everyone has different measure of wrist time? For me its to wear at least very other day, if not, they have not "bonded" and I would unload them. But some bonds last a long time, and some very short....pening to make theory on this ???
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A "collector" is not determined by how many watches he has.
With that said i go for quality, as with most things i own.
I either dont buy or if i do i buy the best that i can afford. Rational in some ways.
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Wow, some of the good philosophies here :thumbsup:, Make me think that should I continue my ladder climbing.....hmmm..
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I really really wonder what you do Zitan hahah...some quoting Mphil hahah
i would assume you can get a degree in this line :Cheers:
BTW, I'm now starting quality when before it was quantity! I would think most of us are in this category...when you are 12 looking at watch ask mom and dad for a rolex they go like "WHAT!!!"
so seiko and swatch for me but not buy your own so try hard for quality but at times casio and seiko still have nice model so cannot resist just get one hahah :Laughing_on_floor:
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Quantity?
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To me there are two types of person....1) who wants the most pieces 2) who wants the best in life. As for me, i don't mind sitting on the fence because quality sometimes is not within reach with commitments of life LOL. Just my 2 cents worth of thoughts..... :Laughing_on_floor:
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For me its definitely quality as too many also I don't have time to wear them all :)
I guess if money is not limited, everybody would love to have both ( quality & quantity ) as we are all watch lovers :thumbsup:
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For me (like most others), it was
1) Quantities - the more the merrier, but within budget.
2) Quantities with market Brand (which can be subjective; to me it was Casio & Swatch)
3) Quantities with Quality (on the way) - like Seiko, Orient, Titoni etc
4) Quality (future roadmap) - like Omega, Rolex
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i think for beginners, watches like Tissot, Certina, Seiko..would be an ideal watch that is decent, and multi-purposed.
First time watch buyer will want a watch that can fit into almost any activity that one might have.
At least that's what I intend to when I first buy my own wrist watch...A Tissot Chronograph, for all event. Dinner functions, swimming, sports, etc..
A fine piece of watch.
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can someone please explain what makes a watch more suited for a beginner or an expert????
Unlike a musical instrument, there is no skill required to tell time, is there???? I'm seriously baffled.
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can someone please explain what makes a watch more suited for a beginner or an expert????
Unlike a musical instrument, there is no skill required to tell time, is there???? I'm seriously baffled.
I second that....
I mean what kind of skill does it take to wear a watch?
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I create a bond with my watch by buying them according to a certain achievement or significant event that occurs in my life. Of course if it is in pristine order and expensive, it adds to the overall 'feel good' feeling. Since only my senior and myself are watchmaniacs, i cant comment on the history part as we have to make the history behind the watch for ourselves. :Laughing_on_floor:
Oh well, I reckon it's a shame to relegate watches from having a utilitarian function to one of a mere pedestal trophy (which is why I'll never appreciate Patek's branding). I don't have much of a watch collection (i.e. I only have one or two at a time), but I have a tendency to bond with my watch by wearing it as a trusty partner in crime, dings+scratches and all. The bond is strong enough that I won't embark on an endeavour without that which has mystically transformed into my "adventure" watch.
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quality first. how many watches can you wear anyway??
i've to admit being on this forum only a short while and reading only a few posts but the few traits i notice, the most striking one is that many members here like to regard themselves as "ikan bilis" and other low self-esteem comments. to them i say, if you want it and believe you can have it, you will.
a watch, especially a mechanical one is made to be worn. not to be kept in safes or winders. wear it. that's what it's meant to be used for. worn to tell time.
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a watch, especially a mechanical one is made to be worn. not to be kept in safes or winders. wear it. that's what it's meant to be used for. worn to tell time.
yeah i got to admit ..if a person is so scared of scratches and dings..not wanting to strip off the protective stickers and etc..
is akin to marrying a beautiful girl and not wanting to screw her cause scared she'll get "damaged"
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a watch, especially a mechanical one is made to be worn. not to be kept in safes or winders. wear it. that's what it's meant to be used for. worn to tell time.
yeah i got to admit ..if a person is so scared of scratches and dings..not wanting to strip off the protective stickers and etc..
is akin to marrying a beautiful girl and not wanting to screw her cause scared she'll get "damaged"
oh.. i like the way you think. won't you get booted off this forum for those comments though??
:Laughing_on_floor:
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a watch, especially a mechanical one is made to be worn. not to be kept in safes or winders. wear it. that's what it's meant to be used for. worn to tell time.
yeah i got to admit ..if a person is so scared of scratches and dings..not wanting to strip off the protective stickers and etc..
is akin to marrying a beautiful girl and not wanting to screw her cause scared she'll get
"damaged"
Hahaha +1 for Terrenceterrence :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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a watch, especially a mechanical one is made to be worn. not to be kept in safes or winders. wear it. that's what it's meant to be used for. worn to tell time.
yeah i got to admit ..if a person is so scared of scratches and dings..not wanting to strip off the protective stickers and etc..
is akin to marrying a beautiful girl and not wanting to screw her cause scared she'll get "damaged"
+1 :thumbsup:
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A playboy lifestyle versus a monogamous relationship => quantity of partners versus quality partner
A rich playboy = quantity partners = quality partners
Need I say more?
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a watch, especially a mechanical one is made to be worn. not to be kept in safes or winders. wear it. that's what it's meant to be used for. worn to tell time.
Well, nowadays, wearing a watch is not only for telling time.
Sometimes as a jewelry or adornment to go with your clothing or situations.
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A rich playboy = quantity partners = quality partners
Need I say more?
If you've ever been a rich playboy, you'd know they are never happy. :angel:
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Are we still talking about watches?!? :Laughing_on_floor:
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can someone please explain what makes a watch more suited for a beginner or an expert????
Unlike a musical instrument, there is no skill required to tell time, is there???? I'm seriously baffled.
In the context of the question, he may be asking if he were a newbie in watch collecting, should he go straight into Rolexes, PAMs, Jeagers or maybe stick to Breitlings, Omegas and then work himself up to Rolexes.
Or he may be also asking since he is new into watches, what would be the best all-in-one watch to buy (maybe limited budget) as compared with a senior watch enthusiast whom may be wearing a Rolex or a PAM.
The ability to tell if a watch is fake or not is also the skill of the watch enthusiast.
The ability to detect jumped/slow movement of the minutes arm is also a skill.
As such, I think some skills are needed if one is serious into watch collection.
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Unless you are getting one of this watch.... :Laughing_on_floor:
(http://blog.jameslist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/HarryWinstonOpus3.jpg)
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can someone please explain what makes a watch more suited for a beginner or an expert????
Unlike a musical instrument, there is no skill required to tell time, is there???? I'm seriously baffled.
In the context of the question, he may be asking if he were a newbie in watch collecting, should he go straight into Rolexes, PAMs, Jeagers or maybe stick to Breitlings, Omegas and then work himself up to Rolexes.
Or he may be also asking since he is new into watches, what would be the best all-in-one watch to buy (maybe limited budget) as compared with a senior watch enthusiast whom may be wearing a Rolex or a PAM.
The ability to tell if a watch is fake or not is also the skill of the watch enthusiast.
The ability to detect jumped/slow movement of the minutes arm is also a skill.
As such, I think some skills are needed if one is serious into watch collection.
buy from an AD and time it against the government's official time.....problems solved.
there's nothing about beginner, intermediate or expert levels here.
if you have a budget..... work around it... and check on the net about the options and then ask opinions on the pros and cons about each option.
it's kinda funny when ppl start asking.."what's a good watch for a beginner"..so i guess beginner that just learnt how to tell time would have to stick to digital...then intermediate .....analog....and then expert would be regulator and etc?
the level/skill required to tell time gets harder.... :laugh:
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Unless you are getting one of this watch.... :Laughing_on_floor:
(http://blog.jameslist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/HarryWinstonOpus3.jpg)
(http://www.wtf.org/site/news/newsletter/20071228_014.jpg) :Laughing_on_floor:
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u have to be loyal to your wife...no choice...but you dont have to be loyal to your watch....betray your watch again and again....hehhehe
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Unless you are getting one of this watch.... :Laughing_on_floor:
(http://blog.jameslist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/HarryWinstonOpus3.jpg)
Wonder how much they are selling this for,definitely will be big burn in the pocket..hehehe
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(http://img.timezone.com/img/articles/itsabout0001/VH04.jpg)
prefer this.... Antiqua!!!
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buy from an AD and time it against the government's official time.....problems solved.
there's nothing about beginner, intermediate or expert levels here.
if you have a budget..... work around it... and check on the net about the options and then ask opinions on the pros and cons about each option.
it's kinda funny when ppl start asking.."what's a good watch for a beginner"..so i guess beginner that just learnt how to tell time would have to stick to digital...then intermediate .....analog....and then expert would be regulator and etc?
the level/skill required to tell time gets harder.... :laugh:
It's true, the word "beginner" here or in this context refers to some one who know nuts about watches or his/her knowledge is very shallow. Not because he doesn't know how to tell time.
I also find it funny on " it's kinda funny when ppl start asking.."what's a good watch for a beginner"." To me whether you are a beginner or an expert is beside the point. If you think this watch is nice and you like it, then that watch is a "good" watch for you. You get a watch to satisfy your hunger for that watch, whether you are a beginner or an expert in watches.
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I say just buy whichever makes you happy. if you can afford it and love pateks, good for you. If you love rollies, by all means get them. If Seikos and Casios catch your eye, then good for you. In that way, you will wear whatever you have with pride. At the end of the day, it is the personal satisfaction that you have a truly awesome piece on your hand to accompany you.
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Well said, hellkite.
+1 :thumbsup:
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After weeks of searching inner self, I finally realize it's not about quantity or quality... it's about satisfactory!
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After weeks of searching inner self, I finally realize it's not about quantity or quality... it's about satisfactory!
Well said bro...I don't really think about quality or quantity.
I buy and wear watch that makes me smile :)
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1. 1st year of collecting watches, I was influenced by quantities. At that moment, I try to collect watch for each brand. Start with Tissot, Certina, Mido, Lumino, Seiko. Not to forget designer watches. Guess, CK, MK. Fossil.
2. 3rd year, I start to know the watches type, function or movement. Again, I try to collect each function or movement. Start with date Quartz, Chronograph Quartz and solar powered watch. Diver, pilot or dress watch. Then I learn about automatic movement. Automatic day, automatic day date, automatic chronograph follow by manual wind and mechanical alarm. At this moment, I start to look for a quality movement. I'd discover about Nivarox mainspring, Nivaflex NO mainspring, glucydur balance wheel, chronometre, incabloc and many much mechanical watches terms. So my collection shift from quantity to quality. I wear automatic watch much this day. I had realized how much that I had waste my money and time hunting for a quartz watches sometime I had wear it only once a month. But that is my journey. Learning curve in a world of horology. The collection shift to Longines, Tag Heuer, B&R,Oris.
3. Now, my collection had shrunk less and less. I had let go a few Quartz watches that I had rarely wear to save some cost to change the battery . I Start to aim higher. I got influenced by brand and the quality of the movement or craftsmanship. I take time to make a decision before buying any watch. I have to restrict my visit to any watch shop :) for window shopping. I have to start saving for a better watches. Now I'm aiming for Omega, Breitling, Grand Seiko or first Rolex maybe...maybe. The journey is still long away . Wish me a luck :D
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1. 1st year of collecting watches, I was influenced by quantities. At that moment, I try to collect watch for each brand. Start with Tissot, Certina, Mido, Lumino, Seiko. Not to forget designer watches. Guess, CK, MK. Fossil.
2. 3rd year, I start to know the watches type, function or movement. Again, I try to collect each function or movement. Start with date Quartz, Chronograph Quartz and solar powered watch. Diver, pilot or dress watch. Then I learn about automatic movement. Automatic day, automatic day date, automatic chronograph follow by manual wind and mechanical alarm. At this moment, I start to look for a quality movement. I'd discover about Nivarox mainspring, Nivaflex NO mainspring, glucydur balance wheel, chronometre, incabloc and many much mechanical watches terms. So my collection shift from quantity to quality. I wear automatic watch much this day. I had realized how much that I had waste my money and time hunting for a quartz watches sometime I had wear it only once a month. But that is my journey. Learning curve in a world of horology. The collection shift to Longines, Tag Heuer, B&R,Oris.
3. Now, my collection had shrunk less and less. I had let go a few Quartz watches that I had rarely wear to save some cost to change the battery . I Start to aim higher. I got influenced by brand and the quality of the movement or craftsmanship. I take time to make a decision before buying any watch. I have to restrict my visit to any watch shop ???? for window shopping. I have to start saving for a better watches. Now I'm aiming for Omega, Breitling, Grand Seiko or first Rolex maybe...maybe. The journey is still long away . Wish me a luck ????
Thank you for sharing. Hope you are getting your grail very soon.. :Cheers:
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@spacewalker
You are not alone. Me too.
I just got my first grail. Though I could have my second grail yesterday, I chose not to.
By the way, my second grail watch-GS will still be there... I don't think it will disappear anytime soon :thumbsup:
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I prefer "Quality" than "Quantity". I believe with one quality watch shall win against the other lower quantity ;D such as one Rolex vs 5 seiko just my two cents view :Laughing_on_floor:
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of coz quality, u only wear one watch at once. unless u want to wear 3-5 watches in a single hand then could be different story.
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Quality!
I find it very difficult for me to add pieces to my collection because of this!
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Question is... How do you define quality? It is easy to say that a Rolex is of better quality than a Tissot for example but when you move higher up the ladder, things become more ambiguous...could you really say that an AP RO is worth the combined cost of a Rolex Sub, Nomos Tangente, GS GMT and perhaps a Moonwatch thrown together? That really depends on the buyer and the word satisfaction does come to play. No right and wrong answer here. If you have loads of money to burn... Then can have it all lah. :Confused:
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of coz quality, u only wear one watch at once. unless u want to wear 3-5 watches in a single hand then could be different story.
Ever considered wearing a different watch for different occasions? ???
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Quantity with quality.
Close to impossible to find a universal watch. Generally, one will be faced with 3 types of environment
- Rough and tumble activity
- Daily wear
- Formal event
One would need at least 3 watches.
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Question is... How do you define quality? It is easy to say that a Rolex is of better quality than a Tissot for example but when you move higher up the ladder, things become more ambiguous...could you really say that an AP RO is worth the combined cost of a Rolex Sub, Nomos Tangente, GS GMT and perhaps a Moonwatch thrown together? That really depends on the buyer and the word satisfaction does come to play. No right and wrong answer here. If you have loads of money to burn... Then can have it all lah. :Confused:
Yeah if have lots of money can have it all but for an average guy like myself - quality for me would be getting the best I can without spending too much.
For example. I have 4 rolex sports and 1 patek. I can add a bunch of other pieces but I wont do that, because I can only wear one watch at a time. for me to add/switch to it has to be something which I would consider quality for myself, it does not have to be more expensive, the value has to be there though.
For my current collection if I want to switch/add it at this stage, These are the pieces I would consider quality to add/switch:
1) Add AP 15202
2) Switch Date SubC + milgauss GV for 1680 Red
3)Add Panerai 000 or 372 or IWC Big Pilot
4) Add speedmaster professional
Of course this may not be quality to others but its quality for me.
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Quantity with quality.
Close to impossible to find a universal watch. Generally, one will be faced with 3 types of environment
- Rough and tumble activity
Rolex explorer 2
Rolex GMT/submariner
JLC reverso / Speake Marin Resilence
[/list]One would need at least 3 watches.
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