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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: chrisyen on July 04, 2011, 07:06:20 AM
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mechanical watches are assembled by human hands.... hence the no matter how good is the QC, the watches are bound to have flaws....
so after sales service is a must consider factor before buying a watch! especially if u r buying a online watch brand, which is common nowadays!
1 mth ago, my bro in law sent me his S****h**t SAWLE, bcoz the allen key screws near lugs lost!!!
so i contacted the seller via their official web contact page.
they replied me via email in 2 working days, asking me for details.
i emailed them a picture of the watch showing the missing parts.
in 2 working days, they told me they sent me 2 sets of the screws.... at no charge, not even the postage!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: for it.
i had another bad experience with another internet brand 3 yrs ago. where i hv a part of my watches rusted.....
they never reply me, i posted on their official forum.... they replied me by blaming malaysia climate and i put it into a safe.... which is moist n cold!!!
i argued and posted their reply in the forum, then i got banned..... and my posts was deleted.....
then i talk about this in another forum.... i found i'm not the only victim....
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Chris good topic!
I think for these kinda discussions its ok to disclose the brand name good or bad.
Because for any brand there is bound to be good and bad experience.
We will monitor the thread closely to ensure it doesnt get out of hand.
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Knock on wood all my watches except 1 had a defect after i received it.
Was my Laco 45mm B-dial pilot watch.
The caseback was not snap in correctly.
I emailed Laco and they say to send it in to them and they will fix it. But sadly they do not cover the cost on my side and its not cheap.
So i had Chris bring it to our trusty watchmaker and he found out that the seal was not put in correctly and thats why caseback has a gap. Few mins work and its done. :thumbsup:
Emailed Laco again and told them i decided to send it to local watchmaker to fix as the cost was cheaper and faster that way.
They end up sending me an extra strap for the troubles. :thumbsup:
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Interesting topic. Have to say many of us forget that we need to service our watches. Anyway, experiences?
Let's start with Bell & Ross. Sent in my pre-loved BR01-92 for a service as I noticed that it was fogging up. The seals were giving way as the watch was from the first batch of BR01. So the watch was about 6 years old. Service is due. After a month, got the watch back and notice that there was a scratch on the dial where the screw to attach the dial to the movement was. Told them about it. They had a look and said ok, they will check. Took them about a month to get back to me as the only executive they had was busy with Basel.
They told me that they did not scratch the dial and I did it. Ok, I told them I did not. They told me to prove to them that I did not do it. I ask them if they had proof they did not do it and their reply was that they are the service center and do not scratch the dial. OK, I told them I will send them photos of the watch I took before I sent the watch in. Sent them the photos and it took them another month to tell me, ok, perhaps they did scratch the dial. It will take them another month to replace the dial.
The sad thing is, I have 2 B&R and I dread the day I have to send the watches back in for a service. I guess I will have to take photos of the watches before I send them in, just in case.
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took me awhile to figure out what S****h**t meant...i kept thinking it's a 4 letter word with a missing vowel between the h and t... :Laughing_on_floor:
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took me awhile to figure out what S****h**t meant...i kept thinking it's a 4 letter word with a missing vowel between the h and t... :Laughing_on_floor:
:Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:, may be should have a thread to guess the brand name, guess will be fun ;D
Just sent my to the Swxxx Gxxxx for service, and yet to see how is the service report. :thumbsup:
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Why can't we just state the manufacturer name? there is a lemon for every 100, 1000 or 10000 watches they produce. Let hear how they actually handle it. Also, I believe these are real experiences backed by tangible proof from the principle, right?
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Hi Chris,
I am very curious to know the manufacturer of the watch that rusted. If you do not want to name it this forum, can PM me?
Thanks!
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Hi Chris,
I am very curious to know the manufacturer of the watch that rusted. If you do not want to name it this forum, can PM me?
Thanks!
tz*k
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Anyone know what is "Stem Tube"?? I only know stem cell :Laughing_on_floor:
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I guess I have been lucky. Serviced my Casio, Seiko and Suunto watches to the respective reps in Malaysia and these are my experiences:
1. Casio - works fast. Sent my wife' 12 year old Casio Edifice EFA-100 to change the gasket that has deteriorated with age. Informed via phone that it would take sometime as the no longer stock the special shaped gasket for the watch anymore hence they need to "manufacture" one specifically for this problem. Anyway, after a couple of weeks, got back the watch. Cost RM100
2. Seiko - my old Seiko Kinetic (reference code of 5M43-0C80) required some major repairs as sea water got into it. However, Seiko's KL service centre was not too helpful. In fact, they suggested I trash it and get a new one! A friend of mine who is a Seiko AD was more helpful and he was able to source the same size crown with basically a similar movement (although Kinetic but it is the latest technology). Unfortunately, the dial was impossible to find and he could only find one that closely match the original. Cost me RM550 for the restoration.
Before:(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fhJVVn4KrEM/Tg0cZqu38eI/AAAAAAAALPE/a1YCCNyq5u4/s640/Photo-0108.jpg)
After: (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8qVryf11Wck/Tg0dP5PIAuI/AAAAAAAALPQ/eUff72zLWHo/s640/seikokinetic03.jpg)
3. Suunto - I got a problem with the heart rate monitor belt. It doesn't seem to be able to communicate with the watch. This is the most difficult experience I've face. It took me 3 months got get it back! They didn't call. I had to do all the calling. Nevertheless, they didn't charge me in the end (felt guilty perhaps?). Problem fixed.
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Sent the Tudor, reference 74000N in today for movement overhaul and crystal replacement. They asked if I wanted the watch polished and told them no. Looks like it is their standard policy now to ask if you want the watch polished. Will get the watch back in 2 weeks and total cost NTD 6,200 - overhaul NTD 3,200 and crystal NTD 3,000. Will report in 2 weeks the experience.
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sent 1 old omega handwind to watches of swit***lan* for repair
took them more than 2 wks to quote
then took them near 3 mths to repair...
watch not accurate, slower by 15 mins a day...
sent it back.... complaint...
took 2 mths to repair again...
i asked warranty of 6 mths shd start again.... they disagree... TNS
then the newly replace barrel spring broken.... in 5 mths.... they refuse to repair for free.....
then i sent to another watchmaker.... the watchmaker told me the spring is modified and used part..... WOS cheat!!!
i emailed them for refund.... they never reply....
i call them they also put down my phone!!!!
so choose a good watchmaker....
THEY ADVERTISED IN PAPERS EVERYDAY AND CLAIMED TO USE GENUINE PART..... NAH!!!!
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chris,
Sorry to hear abt ur experience. Thats very bad,especially the fact is this particular chain is the most well known independent service center with branches all over town, advertising in major newspapers regularly. I hope they are reading this forum so that they can take note and improve.
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As far as I am concerned, this particular chain outlet - sublet the repairs to other watch repairer...
dc
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sent 1 old omega handwind to watches of swit***lan* for repair
took them more than 2 wks to quote
then took them near 3 mths to repair...
watch not accurate, slower by 15 mins a day...
sent it back.... complaint...
took 2 mths to repair again...
i asked warranty of 6 mths shd start again.... they disagree... TNS
then the newly replace barrel spring broken.... in 5 mths.... they refuse to repair for free.....
then i sent to another watchmaker.... the watchmaker told me the spring is modified and used part..... WOS cheat!!!
i emailed them for refund.... they never reply....
i call them they also put down my phone!!!!
so choose a good watchmaker....
THEY ADVERTISED IN PAPERS EVERYDAY AND CLAIMED TO USE GENUINE PART..... NAH!!!!
Wah, I can feel your frustration, and took me a while to figure out TNS, should read it in Cantonese. After I read the service experience, I too decided to send mine to the actual brand service center, just heard too many bad experience. BTW, without this forum, I would have sent mine to those SC published in the ads and may be become another sucker :HammerHead:
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chris,
Sorry to hear abt ur experience. Thats very bad,especially the fact is this particular chain is the most well known independent service center with branches all over town, advertising in major newspapers regularly. I hope they are reading this forum so that they can take note and improve.
their branch hire young man with no watch knowledge...
so they take the watch and hand to watchmaker to quote... quoting also they charge!
and most of the work they pass to free lancer to do... thats y take long time!!!
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sent 1 old omega handwind to watches of swit***lan* for repair
took them more than 2 wks to quote
then took them near 3 mths to repair...
watch not accurate, slower by 15 mins a day...
sent it back.... complaint...
took 2 mths to repair again...
i asked warranty of 6 mths shd start again.... they disagree... TNS
then the newly replace barrel spring broken.... in 5 mths.... they refuse to repair for free.....
then i sent to another watchmaker.... the watchmaker told me the spring is modified and used part..... WOS cheat!!!
i emailed them for refund.... they never reply....
i call them they also put down my phone!!!!
so choose a good watchmaker....
THEY ADVERTISED IN PAPERS EVERYDAY AND CLAIMED TO USE GENUINE PART..... NAH!!!!
Wah, I can feel your frustration, and took me a while to figure out TNS, should read it in Cantonese. After I read the service experience, I too decided to send mine to the actual brand service center, just heard too many bad experience. BTW, without this forum, I would have sent mine to those SC published in the ads and may be become another sucker :HammerHead:
i hasnt tell u the SC story yet....
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Here my share of Service Center Story
1) Swat Group
I send in my vintage Lolmega mk 4.5 to the boutique in starhill gallery, few days later call me up asking me if its ok to send it to Bienne to service the watch as they cant & dunno how to deal with it (expected it anyway). Say ok and told me it will take around 1 mth for the quote. Well one month later never heard from them, so call em up and ask what up. The watch was actually siting in Bienne for few weeks already and if i don call, they will send back the watch to malaysia. I have no idea why SGM did not call me when they receive the quote from Bienne.
Well after 3 month, the watch came back to me in a good condition apart it was running a little fast. Waiting to comeback so that i can go SGM to regulate the watch as my watch got 24 month warranty thrown in.
For more info go read here http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php/topic,1755.0.html
2) Seiko Malaysia
I did not service the watch there but had bad experience with them.
Part 1- I wanted to pressure test my diving watch (please don ask me why I do so, because I just wanted to pressure test it) I called em up and ask the procedure. Instead I was asked by them "Why do you need to pressure test, If touch water nothing happen then everything is all right". Well i was like WTFked :HammerHead: So I wend to their office and ask them to do pressure test. Again they were reluctant to do so for no apparent reason, they only do it when i insist on doing so. :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Part 2 - I wanted to again pressure test my monster watch so i go to the service center and ask them to do so. This time, they asked my why I want to pressure test, and asked me if the watch was working when placed under running tap water. I was like WTFed again. I told them I buy a diver watch not to be placed under tap water to test its water-resistant. And something to note too, they seems to have no idea how to operate the pressure tester as I can see them in teh workshop trying to figure how to use it...... :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Seiko malaysia seriously sucks :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: I wish they will be get kicked out and appoint another agent in malaysia
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1) Swat Group
No wonder la service not so good , everything n anything "swat" only :HammerHead:
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Here my share of Service Center Story
1) Swat Group
I send in my vintage Lolmega mk 4.5 to the boutique in starhill gallery, few days later call me up asking me if its ok to send it to Bienne to service the watch as they cant & dunno how to deal with it (expected it anyway). Say ok and told me it will take around 1 mth for the quote. Well one month later never heard from them, so call em up and ask what up. The watch was actually siting in Bienne for few weeks already and if i don call, they will send back the watch to malaysia. I have no idea why SGM did not call me when they receive the quote from Bienne.
Well after 3 month, the watch came back to me in a good condition apart it was running a little fast. Waiting to comeback so that i can go SGM to regulate the watch as my watch got 24 month warranty thrown in.
For more info go read here http://www.malaysiawatchforum.com/index.php/topic,1755.0.html
2) Seiko Malaysia
I did not service the watch there but had bad experience with them.
Part 1- I wanted to pressure test my diving watch (please don ask me why I do so, because I just wanted to pressure test it) I called em up and ask the procedure. Instead I was asked by them "Why do you need to pressure test, If touch water nothing happen then everything is all right". Well i was like WTFked :HammerHead: So I wend to their office and ask them to do pressure test. Again they were reluctant to do so for no apparent reason, they only do it when i insist on doing so. :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Part 2 - I wanted to again pressure test my monster watch so i go to the service center and ask them to do so. This time, they asked my why I want to pressure test, and asked me if the watch was working when placed under running tap water. I was like WTFed again. I told them I buy a diver watch not to be placed under tap water to test its water-resistant. And something to note too, they seems to have no idea how to operate the pressure tester as I can see them in teh workshop trying to figure how to use it...... :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Seiko malaysia seriously sucks :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: I wish they will be get kicked out and appoint another agent in malaysia
You just vindicated my experience with Seiko Malaysia! (see my previous posting on the same subject earlier)
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Is it?? so bad for Swat Grp? I just sent mine, should I keep closely follow up with them?? Any other bad stories???
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i hasnt tell u the SC story yet....
common mate, tell us the story... :Cheers:
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2) Seiko Malaysia
I did not service the watch there but had bad experience with them.
Part 1- I wanted to pressure test my diving watch (please don ask me why I do so, because I just wanted to pressure test it) I called em up and ask the procedure. Instead I was asked by them "Why do you need to pressure test, If touch water nothing happen then everything is all right". Well i was like WTFked :HammerHead: So I wend to their office and ask them to do pressure test. Again they were reluctant to do so for no apparent reason, they only do it when i insist on doing so. :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Part 2 - I wanted to again pressure test my monster watch so i go to the service center and ask them to do so. This time, they asked my why I want to pressure test, and asked me if the watch was working when placed under running tap water. I was like WTFed again. I told them I buy a diver watch not to be placed under tap water to test its water-resistant. And something to note too, they seems to have no idea how to operate the pressure tester as I can see them in teh workshop trying to figure how to use it...... :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Seiko malaysia seriously sucks :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: I wish they will be get kicked out and appoint another agent in malaysia
Actually I can understand Seiko's point of view on this. Can you imagine if everyone with a Seiko comes in and ask for their watch to be pressure tested? They will be doing that day in day out and nothing else. Additionally the next issue would be how much to charge you? If they charge too much, the customer will complain. If they charge to little, it is not worth their time.
I am sure if you go to RSC or Omega service center or for that matter even your watch guy, the first they will ask is why? Why do you want to do it? The next question is if fail the test, how? Warranty claim? (if still within warranty period) or will you then send the watch in? Most likely answer is, no, I will take it else where.
The thing we have to appreciate it that we are WIS and they are not (well maybe some of them are and might just entertain you) but most of them are not. So, they cannot or will never appreciate the things we want done on our watches.
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1) Swat Group
No wonder la service not so good , everything n anything "swat" only :HammerHead:
Is it?? so bad for Swat Grp? I just sent mine, should I keep closely follow up with them?? Any other bad stories???
Nah, I just don like they did not intially call me about the quote... But later on they got contact me whenever there need abt that watch...... The watch came back beautifully btw :thumbsup:
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2) Seiko Malaysia
I did not service the watch there but had bad experience with them.
Part 1- I wanted to pressure test my diving watch (please don ask me why I do so, because I just wanted to pressure test it) I called em up and ask the procedure. Instead I was asked by them "Why do you need to pressure test, If touch water nothing happen then everything is all right". Well i was like WTFked :HammerHead: So I wend to their office and ask them to do pressure test. Again they were reluctant to do so for no apparent reason, they only do it when i insist on doing so. :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Part 2 - I wanted to again pressure test my monster watch so i go to the service center and ask them to do so. This time, they asked my why I want to pressure test, and asked me if the watch was working when placed under running tap water. I was like WTFed again. I told them I buy a diver watch not to be placed under tap water to test its water-resistant. And something to note too, they seems to have no idea how to operate the pressure tester as I can see them in teh workshop trying to figure how to use it...... :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead: :HammerHead:
Seiko malaysia seriously sucks :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: I wish they will be get kicked out and appoint another agent in malaysia
Actually I can understand Seiko's point of view on this. Can you imagine if everyone with a Seiko comes in and ask for their watch to be pressure tested? They will be doing that day in day out and nothing else. Additionally the next issue would be how much to charge you? If they charge too much, the customer will complain. If they charge to little, it is not worth their time.
I am sure if you go to RSC or Omega service center or for that matter even your watch guy, the first they will ask is why? Why do you want to do it? The next question is if fail the test, how? Warranty claim? (if still within warranty period) or will you then send the watch in? Most likely answer is, no, I will take it else where.
The thing we have to appreciate it that we are WIS and they are not (well maybe some of them are and might just entertain you) but most of them are not. So, they cannot or will never appreciate the things we want done on our watches.
Btw, it is under warranty so I do not pay anything out of it, I jus wan to ensure the watch DOES able to handle 200meter.
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My experience with the "SWAT" grp 4 months ago.
Sent in my 18 months Blancpain 50 Fathoms DLC to complain about a "chunk" of DLC falling off the bezel and the diver, sailcloth strap was delaminating. They say must sent to Singapore for evaluation.
One month later, they called, saying it's not their fault and will not replace bezel and strap is also not covered under warranty (expected this reply). I asked whom from Singapore said this and requested a written reply.
There was no reply, so I wrote to Blancpain and their Customer Care Manager replied saying that the DLC material is "mostly aesthetical" and was not covered under warranty.
I then referred to their launch of this watch in Basel which they claimed the DLC is harder than Ceramics (which was why I got it). The Customer Care Manager realising his "misinformation" then agreed to replace both the bezel and strap.
Another month later, I got a call to collect the watch and the bezel was replaced but the strap was still delaminating. I then had to go over the communication I had with Blancpain with the people here to proof to them that Blancpain had agreed to replace the strap too, even though the emails from Blancpain were copied to them.
It took 4 months and I am still waiting.
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Just to update my seamaster full service done by Swat Grp 2 weeks ago, I must say they did a good job, and there are a list of items change during the service include the hrs, min and sec hand, + some bearing, and sealer. They puff away all the scratches and I personally spoke to Mr. Chong for the detail of the job that they have done. They return all the old parts to me. Good service :thumbsup:
Here is the photo after I got it back, finally it is re-born
(http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k507/siodee/06-2011025.jpg)
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True, they sub to other to repair are those 'chee pai kuat' they did to my regular watch repairman what they cannot repair.
That what my watch repairman told me.
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Dear Hobbit....your experience must be annoying to you....and i agree with...it is a good practice to take picture...maybe take picture of handing over the watch to them....need a good camera....yes, will keep that in mind
Interesting topic. Have to say many of us forget that we need to service our watches. Anyway, experiences?
Let's start with Bell & Ross. Sent in my pre-loved BR01-92 for a service as I noticed that it was fogging up. The seals were giving way as the watch was from the first batch of BR01. So the watch was about 6 years old. Service is due. After a month, got the watch back and notice that there was a scratch on the dial where the screw to attach the dial to the movement was. Told them about it. They had a look and said ok, they will check. Took them about a month to get back to me as the only executive they had was busy with Basel.
They told me that they did not scratch the dial and I did it. Ok, I told them I did not. They told me to prove to them that I did not do it. I ask them if they had proof they did not do it and their reply was that they are the service center and do not scratch the dial. OK, I told them I will send them photos of the watch I took before I sent the watch in. Sent them the photos and it took them another month to tell me, ok, perhaps they did scratch the dial. It will take them another month to replace the dial.
The sad thing is, I have 2 B&R and I dread the day I have to send the watches back in for a service. I guess I will have to take photos of the watches before I send them in, just in case.
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big brand screw up on CS....small brand also....its not the brand...it is the people the brand hire to work for them....that what screw them up....pity......i had experience hiring the wrong kind of people for CS and oh my....what a mess...
btw - bit share of my story....this was the day when i dont know about panerai, rolex and those big name....
1 - When i was 16 , i have a year old G-Shock, cant remember whether that still under warranty or not. Now, despite G claims of its strength, certain part of it perhaps did not meet the expectation. One of the button fall off... a week later another button failed me... apparently there is a pillar that attached the button to the body and that give a way after a month.So i went to a shop selling G, send it for replacement.i was 16 and i guess i dont really know what to with it...it was quite for a very long time...2 months I called and it was ready in the shop for quite a while...they dont know how to contact me despite my house phone number written on the receipt....sigh...so i took back the watch...i think i paid for it but cant recall how much...a few months later that thing "patah" again.....but by then i am already back at boarding school so cant send it for repair....not long after, someone stole the watch from me....but being 16 i guess i cant be fussy about the experience...hahaha....if that happened today....sure hentam the kedai kaw kaw....
2 - early 20, start loving watches...not enough money...dont know about MWF and not much knowledge...so bought what i taught like a cool watch...Guess Watch....2 years later, the chrono function go crazy...went to quite a well known shop selling Seiko, Guess , Tissot etc in MidValley Ground Floor. I bought several watches before with them and naturally i taught they could help. Send it, they took it and a few days later they say there is nothing they can do about it...frustrated....i took it back...a week later, i went to their branch in another shopping mall...I dont know why , just trying my luck i told them about my watch...he took it, a day later he called and said it is done....pay about 50 i think ...weird huh...same shop different location different service....like i said it down to who they employed
3 - Invicta is notorious with bad CS...nonetheless i bought a few. Whilst I am happy with the quality thus far, but one of my invicta, had a small tiny screw on the rubber strap unscrew over period of time and fell on the road....so there you go a small screwless hole on the rubber strap....hate it...i emailed invicta even saying i dont mind paying....guess what...the email goes back and forth, directed here and there and end up everything vanished in the air....one person send me to another till the last person who never replied ....funny thing, along the process they send me part number, etc etc....but when i asked how much should i pay they go quite......wah funny la this american.....
my experience, may not about big brand but just to share, shit like this happened....Not to say we should be accustomed with it...it is bad...it is not only us malaysian, also other people from other country could come up with bad CS....but there is also stories of super good CS...i had a few but by now, i think i have wrote too much...no need to share further lor.....huhuhu....Just saying...CS it is up or down to the personnel....not really the brand....maybe the boss dont even know they hired some A**h*** ....hahhahaha