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Title: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 13, 2011, 09:43:37 PM
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/21.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/23.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/24.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/17.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/35.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/11.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/12.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/27.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/9.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/18.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/20.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/19.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/25.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/26.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/28.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/29.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/34.jpg)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/22.jpg)
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: TheHobbit on May 14, 2011, 04:21:26 PM
Nice......
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: takashi78 on May 14, 2011, 04:57:24 PM
Really nice closeups there!
You captured the watch very nicely.
One of the "must haves" of any Rolex fan i think.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: TheHobbit on May 14, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
Really nice closeups there!
You captured the watch very nicely.
One of the "must haves" of any Rolex fan i think.

Yes agreed, but very much over shadowed by it's brother the Sub.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 14, 2011, 09:50:29 PM
Nice......

Really nice closeups there!
You captured the watch very nicely.
One of the "must haves" of any Rolex fan i think.

Thanks! :Cheers: Been experimenting with macros ...
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: jacky8888 on May 14, 2011, 09:53:33 PM
Wahhhhhh my favourite GMT :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 14, 2011, 10:10:15 PM
Yes agreed, but very much over shadowed by it's brother the Sub.

I think that's inevitable - the Sub has been the icon for Rolex for long, and it's gonna take some herculean effort to knock it off its perch. But the GMT-Master can definitely hold its own against any challenge, in an underrated manner of sort.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 14, 2011, 10:18:16 PM
Wahhhhhh my favourite GMT :thumbsup:

Well, you know what? It's my favourite too! :laugh:
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 14, 2011, 10:52:49 PM
Let me just add (taken from the just acquired Vintage Rolex Sports Models ;))

"In 1953, Rolex was asked by Pan Am to create a watch for airlines crews that could display the time in the home country as well as the present location. The Submariner was adapted by adding an extra hour hand and a date feature, and named the GMT-Master. This watch was an instant commercial success for Rolex, and over forty years later it is still a major seller."

Hmmm ... does that mean I can say that I'm now wearing a Sub with an extra hand? :Startled:

Cute! :Laughing_on_floor:

Yes agreed, but very much over shadowed by it's brother the Sub.

I think that's inevitable - the Sub has been the icon for Rolex for long, and it's gonna take some herculean effort to knock it off its perch. But the GMT-Master can definitely hold its own against any challenge, in an underrated manner of sort.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: TheHobbit on May 15, 2011, 06:29:37 AM
It would be great if Rolex reissues the White dial GMT Master.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Scott C. on May 16, 2011, 08:08:16 AM
Love the coke bezel ;) Very nice one you got there  :Cheers:
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: jacky8888 on May 16, 2011, 08:19:18 AM
I think its Pepsi bezel la
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Scott C. on May 16, 2011, 08:21:24 AM
I think its Pepsi bezel la

Haha....okok..pepsi..i always got these 2 confused ;D
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 16, 2011, 03:15:44 PM
I think its Pepsi bezel la

Haha....okok..pepsi..i always got these 2 confused ;D

Scott, just to make sure that you won't get confused again, I humbly present you the Coke GMT-Master. :laugh:

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/9bbb72c0.png)
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: zuki on May 16, 2011, 08:54:06 PM
I think its Pepsi bezel la

Haha....okok..pepsi..i always got these 2 confused ;D
Yeah! a pepsi bezel...i wasn't understand why its called pepsi long time before but after knew it I smile myself.. ;D
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 18, 2011, 05:56:33 PM
It would be great if Rolex reissues the White dial GMT Master.

You mean ... like this?

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/f8f9b9f1.png)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/25606014.png)

Look at this bezel insert. It was manufactured of transparent acrylic which had the 24 hour markings printed on its underside

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/e0309628.png)

Gorgeous!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: terrenceterrence on May 18, 2011, 07:59:36 PM
I may be wrong but the white was never sold to the public but only made for PanAm execs
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 18, 2011, 08:06:41 PM
When the GMT-Master was launched in 1954, Pan American Airlines, who was the original party that approached Rolex to develop a watch which could simultaneously display the exact time in two different time zones, immediately adopted it. In order to differentiate between watches intended for its crew and for ground staff, a special order with white dials was manufactured for ground staff. Probably fewer than 200 of these white dial watches were made, and they are a rare find today.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 18, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
But this might be even rarer -

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/6d7fbd4d.png)

United Arab Emirates Blue GMT-Master
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: TheHobbit on May 18, 2011, 09:02:12 PM
When the GMT-Master was launched in 1954, Pan American Airlines, who was the original party that approached Rolex to develop a watch which could simultaneously display the exact time in two different time zones, immediately adopted it. In order to differentiate between watches intended for its crew and for ground staff, a special order with white dials was manufactured for ground staff. Probably fewer than 200 of these white dial watches were made, and they are a rare find today.

Yeah, the exec of the company were unhappy that the pilots got the GMT Master. So they 'hijack' a batch of watches meant for the pilots. The head honcho at Pan Am found out and ordered the execs to give the watches back. However he realised that the 'execs' also contributed to the company, so a batch of white dial GMt Master were made. so the story goes.....
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 18, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
Can anyone ID this historical figure who's wearing a GMT-Master ref. 1675 ?

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/0f8b096d.png)

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/8b647af4.png)
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: hanz079 on May 18, 2011, 10:20:36 PM
Che Guevara?
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: terrenceterrence on May 18, 2011, 10:48:01 PM
yeah it's Che
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 19, 2011, 06:28:04 AM
Correct - it's Che Guevara. Legend has it that after he was executed, the CIA agent present at the scene stole the GMT. :thumbsdown:

I was made to understand that Castro also wore a GMT-Master during his successful coup revolution, but I'm not so sure (some say it's a Submariner).

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/Castro-GMT-Master-.jpg)

But I do know that he sometimes wore two Rolexes at a time (well that might be the motivation for his good friend Maradona to act the same). ;D

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/GMT-Master/CastroDouble.jpg)
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: terrenceterrence on May 19, 2011, 10:45:27 AM
Castro wears a Sub and a DJ.

One for Cuban time the other for Soviet time.

Maybe because his good friend Che beat him to the GMT and all he got was a sub  :Laughing_on_floor:
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on May 20, 2011, 06:42:32 PM
Maybe because his good friend Che beat him to the GMT and all he got was a sub  :Laughing_on_floor:

Good one! :thumbsup:  :D
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: ck77 on June 16, 2011, 02:11:17 PM
Manburg, noobs in GMT.
What's the difference between GMT and GMT II ?
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Gigi on June 16, 2011, 02:31:02 PM
Manburg, noobs in GMT.
What's the difference between GMT and GMT II ?

what the diff between gmt 2 older version and ceramic gee mm tee two?
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: David_cheong on June 16, 2011, 02:32:31 PM
ck

I have had handle a GMT once that belongs to my brother.

The different is that the short hour hand on the GMT is non adjustable. Whereas the short hour hand on the GMTII is independently adjustable, same as the explorer II.

Correct me if I am wrong.

dc
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: pexus on June 16, 2011, 03:25:32 PM
a bit strange for me to see these figures who stood up against imperialism, capitalism wearing Rolexes...the very symbol of money and wealth///
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on June 16, 2011, 03:43:08 PM
Manburg, noobs in GMT.
What's the difference between GMT and GMT II ?

CK, there were actually a few differences. Let me just take you to some of them.

The first GMT-Master that was re-named as GMT-Master II is the model ref. 16760 (which was also known as Fat Lady/Sophia Loren) issued from 1983 to 1988. The movement used was 3085 that has hacking and quickset functions. It has also now been equipped with a sapphire crystal, though the markers are still using tritium as used in the 16750 and 1675. The crown protectors are also a bit bigger than its predecessor.

The most marked change is however the GMT hand is now no longer being controlled by the hour hand. Meaning, it could be adjusted independently without having to adjust the hour hand, which is the case in GMT-Master (even the ref. 16700, as mine). Thus, with a rotatable bezel, the GMT-Master II could now display three different time zones simultaneously, as opposed to two in the GMT-Master.

Hope that helps a bit.

Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: ck77 on June 16, 2011, 03:49:39 PM
CK, there were actually a few differences. Let me just take you to some of them.

The first GMT-Master that was re-named as GMT-Master II is the model ref. 16760 (which was also known as Fat Lady/Sophia Loren) issued from 1983 to 1988. The movement used was 3085 that has hacking and quickset functions. It has also now been equipped with a sapphire crystal, though the markers are still using tritium as used in the 16750 and 1675. The crown protectors are also a bit bigger than its predecessor.

The most marked change is however the GMT hand is now no longer being controlled by the hour hand. Meaning, it could be adjusted independently without having to adjust the hour hand, which is the case in GMT-Master (even the ref. 16700, as mine). Thus, with a rotatable bezel, the GMT-Master II could now display three different time zones simultaneously, as opposed to two in the GMT-Master.

Hope that helps a bit.
Thanks Manburg & DC :thumbsup:
So we can reckon that GMT-Master II was 'renamed' since 1983?
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Gigi on June 16, 2011, 03:56:45 PM
a bit strange for me to see these figures who stood up against imperialism, capitalism wearing Rolexes...the very symbol of money and wealth///



that time lolex was still consider as tool watch as opposed to today.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on June 16, 2011, 07:42:12 PM

Thanks Manburg & DC :thumbsup:
So we can reckon that GMT-Master II was 'renamed' since 1983?

Yea, that wouldn't be wrong. Just note that even though 16760 was replaced by 16710 in 1989, there's another model running in parallel, i.e. 16700 which was started to be produced in 1988 up to 1999, and was the final version of the GMT-Master.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on June 16, 2011, 08:07:12 PM
a bit strange for me to see these figures who stood up against imperialism, capitalism wearing Rolexes...the very symbol of money and wealth///

Well, I can't speak for either Castro or Guevera for their choice of watches, or whether such choices betrayed their so-called struggle, but I would certainly know one leader that is very much known for his modesty and humility, even if such traits are only to be gleaned from his choice of watch.

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/565be432.png)
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: TheHobbit on June 16, 2011, 08:33:04 PM
a bit strange for me to see these figures who stood up against imperialism, capitalism wearing Rolexes...the very symbol of money and wealth///

Well, I can't speak for either Castro or Guevera for their choice of watches, or whether such choices betrayed their so-called struggle, but I would certainly know one leader that is very much known for his modesty and humility, even if such traits are only to be gleaned from his choice of watch.

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/565be432.png)

I believe this is the watch in question, Casio Men's Prayer Compass Watch CPW310-1 or one its variation.

(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/41pFrAl1KuL_SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on June 16, 2011, 08:39:30 PM

I believe this is the watch in question, Casio Men's Prayer Compass Watch CPW310-1 or one its variation.

(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/41pFrAl1KuL_SL500_AA300_.jpg)


Hobbit, thanks very much mate! :thumbsup: I do not know for sure, but I won't at all be surprised if that's indeed the one.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: TheHobbit on June 16, 2011, 08:47:24 PM
Sorry wrong one. His is white dial, so most likely this one, Casio Men's Prayer Compass Watch CPW310-7.

(http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn322/TheHobbit_01/Collection/51eXzCoOXXL_SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: terrenceterrence on June 17, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
a bit strange for me to see these figures who stood up against imperialism, capitalism wearing Rolexes...the very symbol of money and wealth///



that time lolex was still consider as tool watch as opposed to today.

Yeah Guevara is the real Rambo of that era, organising and participating in armed struggles in Cuba, Bolivia, Congo and etc..

in those era, the selection of a real robust tool watch is not much. Thus came the marketing term " The Men who guided the destiny of the world would wear a Rolex"

Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: pexus on June 17, 2011, 10:58:29 AM
a bit strange for me to see these figures who stood up against imperialism, capitalism wearing Rolexes...the very symbol of money and wealth///



that time lolex was still consider as tool watch as opposed to today.

Yeah Guevara is the real Rambo of that era, organising and participating in armed struggles in Cuba, Bolivia, Congo and etc..

in those era, the selection of a real robust tool watch is not much. Thus came the marketing term " The Men who guided the destiny of the world would wear a Rolex"



good point GG and terence...yeah..i shouldnt see rolex as symbol of wealth then....

boy..must stop visiting this forum that often....the poison to own a rolex is really strong....
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: takashi78 on June 17, 2011, 11:50:48 AM
Below are still my fav Rolex ads. before those movie stars become ambassadors.
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/leongps78/Rolex%20Ads/1981-Rolex-Mocha-GMT-Pan-Am-CEO-Wil.jpg)
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/leongps78/Rolex%20Ads/April-1957-Men-Who-Guide-The-Destin.jpg)
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/leongps78/Rolex%20Ads/March-1957-Men-who-guide-the-destin.jpg)
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/leongps78/Rolex%20Ads/Sir2.jpg)
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Sid Vicious on June 17, 2011, 12:50:51 PM
Takashi v nice
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: Manburg on June 17, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
Take a look at this advert for GMT-Master ref. 1675.

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp95/pencintalego/1675.jpg)

The tagline seems very simple and ordinary, "I want a good watch", and yet very meaningful and strikes the right chord.
Title: Re: Rolex GMT-Master - Ref. 16700
Post by: birdtung on June 29, 2011, 08:33:41 PM
Nice