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Main Forums => General Discussion - Modern Watches => Topic started by: bigkahuna on March 31, 2011, 07:08:31 AM
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Hi Everyone,
I'm new here and need some advice from any of you that have been contributing to this forum so please bear with me. I've been following this forum passively for a while now but have never contributed until now. I've recently decided that it's time for me to get a new watch. Need some advice from anyone here regarding my next purchase. I started my hunt for a new watch begining with the IWC Pilot Chrono which I have been eyeing for a while now. It's a lovely classic piece but the only problem I had with it is that it uses ETA movement which is quite a turn off considering what I had to pay for it, more so with the ceramic Top Gun model. Also, I realized that I'm actually more into dive watches and 60 meter on the IWC is just not gonna do it for me. So, I've turned my attention to either the Omega Liquid Metal and the new Sub with ceramic bazel. To be honest, the sub is a little out of my budget and I also have my reservations about it being a Rolex as I don't want to attract any unnecessary negative attentions, if you get what I mean. Furthermore, I already have a Rolex, nothing fancy but it works. So, my quest continued until I stumbled upon the PAM359 and I think I've finally found it!!! It has it's own in house movement, I love the design and to top it, it has a clear back which shows the movements! Something not very common considering the fact that this watch is also 300 meter water resistant. Then again, it seems like nothing is perfect as I do have issues with the size of PAMs overall. I'm not sure if the 44mm works well with my small 6 inch wrist? To cut the long story short, I'm basically torn between the Omega PO Liquid Metal 42mm which fits great on my wrist and the PAM 359 which is more appealing to me. FYI, I've tried both watches at the local AD/boutique and am still undecided. To be honest, my heart is telling me to go with the PAM....which one do you think I should I go for :Confused:
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The 359 is a beautiful piece. My vote goes to the PAM..
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pam! :thumbsup:
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If your heart says PAM... then PAM it is buddy :thumbsup:
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Go with your heart.
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PAM it is!! Thanks guys, I will try to post some pics once I get it. Hopefully stock for PAM will arrive in April.
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cant afford for sub ceramic but can afford for pam 359.... :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor: :Laughing_on_floor:
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The PAM is already a bit of a stretch for me but it's manageable but I'd have to stretch more with the Sub. Furthermore, I'm more attracted to the PAM ;)
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bro, isnt the list price of pam 359 at low 23k and sub-c at high 23k? Pam can still get discount, sub-c a bit more difficult to get discount, if its still not at premium pricing in malaysia....
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nope, the price I got for PAM is a little below [no price discussion allow], so far the best Price I got for Sub C is above [no price discussion allow] and no discount!! Unless you know somewhere with better deals, do let me know. And like I said, the price of PAM already a stretch and I think I have to put a stop to how much I'm willing to spend. I can't keep trying to convince myself that I can get .....for a little bit more, it will never end cos there's always something better for a little bit more. So I've decided to cap it at around 20K range and no more.... ;D
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actually you've got your answer. Follow your heart. Dont buy something you dont love.
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my vote goes to PAM.... good luck ya.. :thumbsup:
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Thanks for your feedback guys! :thumbsup:
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Dude....paragraphs please ;)
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hi i think you may also like to try on PAM312. i think the price is the same.... only the dial is different . for me i try both , and i like 312.no harm trying both. all the best in your PAM......
cheer.
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Thanks for the PAM312 suggestion. I'm definitely considering that too but the dials on the 359 does look better to me though. It has the vintage luminova look to it. Will try them both regardless. Cheers!
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I was also looking at the Liquid Metal PO b4 the PAM virus struck me. I'll definitely choose the PAM over the LM PO. Well, just to let you know that the case for the 359 is polished while the 312 is brushed.
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honestly i would steer clear of the P9000 cal.
does not really fancy paying so much for a watch that changes date at 10pm
how hard is it to do a quick set anyway? think OP is taking the easy way out on this.
just my 2 rupiah opinion
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date change at 10pm :o :HammerHead:
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Hello :) I am also interested with pam now. Seems like i cant resist it no more. But i am just looking for a base model. Kindly pm me as well the shop that gives us extra discount, since last time i check they can only give only XXX percent ;) thank u.
[no discussion on discount rate]
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Cheers,
Ck
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Hi Terrence, thanks for your opinion about the date change. I'm aware of it and to be honest, it doesn't really bother me and I probably won't even notice the change since I tend to knock out before 10pm everyday especially when I have two young kids at home draining all my energy. In fact, I think the date change kindda adds a little character to the PAM :)
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Can any of the sifu here PM all the details/contact of local ADs for PAM. Am searching for either PAM 000 or 005.
Thanks in advance.
Eric
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Wow first time hearing someone say this adds character haha.
I think you are all set, what the forum can do is help yo decide base on technical specs, user opinions after owning it and you can make an informed decision whether to buy it or not.
Heck...some people might even sat its crap and not worth to buy, but at the end of the day that watch sings to you, damn everyone else cause you smile everytime you see it on your wrist.
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Can any of the sifu here PM all the details/contact of local ADs for PAM. Am searching for either PAM 000 or 005.
Thanks in advance.
Eric
check out our member dsiewmy's posting in the sales thread.
he have a few base models for sale at a very reasonable price IMHO
cheers
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just my opinion,the PO liquidmetal looks awesome,and it has my vote.movement wise pam 359 to me has a basic finishing..nothing special,just the fact that its in house thats all.but id pick a nicely finished ETA any day because of cheaper maintenance in the long run and availability of parts.however to each their own,and at the end of the day its what you like ! if pam captures your heart..then go for it :Dancing_banana:
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Can any of the sifu here PM all the details/contact of local ADs for PAM. Am searching for either PAM 000 or 005.
Thanks in advance.
Eric
check out our member dsiewmy's posting in the sales thread.
he have a few base models for sale at a very reasonable price IMHO
Did PM him but no response.
cheers
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Maximillian, I cannot agree with you more on the PO liquidmetal and I still do think it’s a beautiful watch to own. However, the greatest concern I have with the current PO liquidmetal now is that the ceramic bazel & dial may soon become standard for their newer models to come and it could possibly be using the new 8500 movement. If that happens, then the current liquidmetal with 2500 movement may be made outdated and the only thing that sets it apart from future regular model will be very minimal. So, I’m really not sure if it’s too soon to be looking at the PO liquidmetal now…but I still think it’s a very very nice piece to have though :Cheers:
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Maximillian, I cannot agree with you more on the PO liquidmetal and I still do think it’s a beautiful watch to own. However, the greatest concern I have with the current PO liquidmetal now is that the ceramic bazel & dial may soon become standard for their newer models to come and it could possibly be using the new 8500 movement. If that happens, then the current liquidmetal with 2500 movement may be made outdated and the only thing that sets it apart from future regular model will be very minimal. So, I’m really not sure if it’s too soon to be looking at the PO liquidmetal now…but I still think it’s a very very nice piece to have though
if the current 2500 movement is base on an ETA 2892 right?parts shouldnt be a problem,and if its discontinued,then it'll become rare!
haha but its better to have the 8500 movement if it is a better movement overall(i dont know much about btw hehe ;D) well,you could buy the PO then play around with it..if you feel like buying the pam..then flip it..hehe :Cheers:
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P.9000 changes date at 10p.m. Oh My,u made me have second though on PAM312/359
Of all the PAM movement,which one is the stable?
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base models that use ETA 6697. not tat the p2002 or the new ones r not stable, they r new i.e. p2002 is like 10 years old. still got some rough edges to polish.
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base models that use ETA 6697. not tat the p2002 or the new ones r not stable, they r new i.e. p2002 is like 10 years old. still got some rough edges to polish.
Panerai P.2002 is 6 years old I believe having being officially launched in 2005/ 2006.
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i stand corrected. year 2005
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Hi guys, I’m now in a bit of dilemma here. I’ve basically pretty much decided on a PAM over the Omega but now the problem is my contact in a local AD here does not have stock of the Model I’m looking for and he has no idea when it’s coming in. All he’s telling me now is that they are waiting for a price revision and don’t know when they will get new stocks in. Anyway, I managed to find the PAM I wanted BNIB with a grey importer located in Bangsar Shopping Center (I assume most of you would know who I’m talking about). However my obvious concern is that I’m not sure if they are reliable when it comes to quality and services since they are not an AD. I know these guys have been in business a long time and chances are they are genuine sellers but I thought I’d ask here for opinions first before I pull the trigger. Please PM me your thoughts. Thanks.
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I've had a few Pams before. 2 from grey dealers while the rest is from AD. Reliability is subjective. You have to trust the seller. In terms of quality, not too much of an issue as the watch is more likely to be genuine and any fault in quality is more of the fault of the manufacturer in question but services could possibly be an issue. However it is easier to claim the warranty if it was bought from an AD. Grey dealers Pams, normally the AD or service centre not too keen to service for you. Just my experience.
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I did check with Richemont Malaysia service centre and they told me that if the warranty is still valid any watches under their group bought fr AD worldwide, they will service and honor the warranty.
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Wah very lucky you to have such choice of watches
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Hi guys, I pulled the trigger today on a PAM 111. I know, I know, it's completely different from the pieces I spoke of when I started this thread. Long story on why I made the move but when I saw it today at a local AD, I just couldn't resist. Now I'm at a bar all excited wanting to let someone know so here I am again. Am thinking of an excuse to my Mrs why I did what I did today. But overall, no regrets on my part and I'm a happy camper for now. Will try to post some pics if my wife don't kill me tonight. Thanks for all your feedback and suggestions. I appreciate it. Wish me luck! :Praying:
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PAM 111? Still a very good choice and it is one of the classics. Congrats on your purchase.
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PAM00111? Great place to start. Nice piece. Wear it with good health.
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Big congrats! Glad that you finally pulled the trigger. Welcome to the PAM club.
Am still enjoying my PAM 000. But already hv the 312 in mind for my next on the list. Like you, hv to be a little low profile for the moment to keep the Mrs. happy. Anyhow, I couldn't resist getting more straps. Received my first via mail on Monday and just ordered another today. I guess that is the problem with PAM, there are so many nice straps available out there.
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Thanks for the well wishes guys. Good to know I'm not alone in this. I'm now on my 2nd pint but still no excuse to my Mrs. ??? Btw, ewch, FYI, the AD I boght my PAM has a 312 in stock now...I didn't mean to temp you but just thought you should know ;D
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:Confused: Well, eventhough am tempted but my budget for this year watch acquisition has already spent on the PAM 000. It will be my next year target. Problem being a watch gila guy (that what my Mrs calls me!), there are many watches I want. My original next on list is the Omega Speedy but I skipped it for the PAM. Will see next year what will happen budget permitting.
Enjoy your new watch and wear it in good health! :Cheers:
Btw which AD you wen to? The "S" or "C"?
Eric
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It's the S!
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Thanks for the well wishes guys. Good to know I'm not alone in this. I'm now on my 2nd pint but still no excuse to my Mrs. ??? Btw, ewch, FYI, the AD I boght my PAM has a 312 in stock now...I didn't mean to temp you but just thought you should know ;D
Simple excuse, say your Boss give to you as a gift and you have no idea how much it costs...
Just a reward for working hard... ;D
Congratz bro!!! and Good luck... :Cheers:
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Thanks for the suggestion hanz but it wouldn't work in my situation as my wife is my BOSS!! Anyway, she saw me wearing my PAM last night and she didn't say a word. Somehow her lack of reaction is even scarier than if she said something.... :Confused:
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Thanks for the suggestion hanz but it wouldn't work in my situation as my wife is my BOSS!! Anyway, she saw me wearing my PAM last night and she didn't say a word. Somehow her lack of reaction is even scarier than if she said something.... :Confused:
Ooops... the silent treatment eh? Good luck bro... not much we can do for you now. ;D
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Wow! That's is scary.... the big silence!!! :Blue:
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silence means consent :Laughing_on_floor:
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Nothing said, pretend nothing happen also. :Laughing_on_floor:
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could be the calm before the storm >:)
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Hi guys, here's some photos of my PAM ;D
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Great 111 there!
To me one of the must haves for a PAM collector.
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Beautiful baby! I'm so jealous..... :thumbsup:
Eric
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Congratulation Bro and welcome to the PAM club. :thumbsup:
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this pan is consider entry level but its the closest to the original watch. :thumbsup:
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Thanks for the encouraging words guys. I actually had great difficulty selecting between my PAM 111 and 312 or 359. To cut the long story short, no matter how I looked at it, the PAM 111 sat better on my skinny wrist compared to the 1950s case although I still think the 1950s case is stunning! Will probably consider one when I put on a few more pounds.
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I thought I'd just share this info with you guys cos I'm pretty amazed with the power reserve of my new PAM111. I clocked approx 60hrs 30mins. It was fully wound when I bought it and only stopped this morning at about 6am. That's basically almost 5hrs more than claimed! ;D
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The power reserve for this watch is 56 hrs as specified in a 6497 calibre. So anything above is great :)
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I thought I'd just share this info with you guys cos I'm pretty amazed with the power reserve of my new PAM111. I clocked approx 60hrs 30mins. It was fully wound when I bought it and only stopped this morning at about 6am. That's basically almost 5hrs more than claimed! ;D
bigkahuna,
Don't want to burst your bubble but my PAM00111 did 61 hours when I first got it. Does not do that now. :( It will settle down in a few weeks time.
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congrats..mind sharing me which AD and how much? pm please of course...thanks..
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Here I am all keen on a Rolex and I stumble on this thread
That is a lovely looking watch bigkahuna. Looks like my hunt is widening ;p
Mind pm how much is the watch and where can I get itbwhen I return ifbtakes me like itbdid u ;)
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Hi Sid, thanks for the compliment on my PAM. It definitely is a lovely piece and I'm enjoying every moment of it especially in the pool ever since I got the waterproof Kodiak straps to go with it. However, for some weird reason, my thirst hasn't been quench as I have recently been very tempted by a particular Rolex myself. I've been fondling a DSSD recently in my friendly neighborhood Rolex AD and wonder why when I only just purchased my PAM not too long ago. Oh, and btw, I've PMed you. Hopefully I've answered your questions. :Cheers:
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Hi Sid, thanks for the compliment on my PAM. It definitely is a lovely piece and I'm enjoying every moment of it especially in the pool ever since I got the waterproof Kodiak straps to go with it. However, for some weird reason, my thirst hasn't been quench as I have recently been very tempted by a particular Rolex myself. I've been fondling a DSSD recently in my friendly neighborhood Rolex AD and wonder why when I only just purchased my PAM not too long ago. Oh, and btw, I've PMed you. Hopefully I've answered your questions. :Cheers:
Hi Bro,
I know how it feels. As you know I got my PAM only a week a two before you and I'm already started searching around for my 2nd PAM. Was contemplating either a Radiomir (183) or the 1950 case (312). This is seriously a disease hard to cure. Only thing holding me back is fearing my wife will get angry and she is due for our 2nd baby soon. More money needed for milk powder and diaper!!! Have to be a little careful with my spending now.
Eric
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Guys... To keep the Mrs happy, buy her one of the same. Then the rest is easy....Trust me.
dc
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Hi Bro,
I know how it feels. As you know I got my PAM only a week a two before you and I'm already started searching around for my 2nd PAM. Was contemplating either a Radiomir (183) or the 1950 case (312). This is seriously a disease hard to cure. Only thing holding me back is fearing my wife will get angry and she is due for our 2nd baby soon. More money needed for milk powder and diaper!!! Have to be a little careful with my spending now.
Eric
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Not a problem... ask your wife to breastfeed and use high quality reusable diapers.... problem solved... :thumbsup:
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sound like a death sentence to me
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Eric
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Not a problem... ask your wife to breastfeed and use high quality reusable diapers.... problem solved...
Death sentences is too harsh. You be ISAed without trial with the cold treatmnet thrown in for a long x2 time.
dc
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Back to your question PAM359 and Omega PO. I personally think that PAM will be a better choice. Mainly due to its resale value. Omega have been losing followers in Msia. PAM to go!!
CHeers...
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Well Eric, don't need to crack your head too hard on how to appease the Mrs. Father's day coming this weekend. You can use it as an excuse to reward yourself for being such a wonderful dad and also for the double effort that is coming soon of taking care of your new baby ;D
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Btw, Horous, I went with the PAM a couple of months back. Not the 359 but a PAM nevertheless. Thanks for your feedback though.
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Poison poison!!!!! ;D
Now from my initial Rolex masterplan...add another one in the list a panarei!!!!
Some more so many pics here, so many good reviews and so many aftersales....aiyo this is getting harder and harder
Like somebody, i think it was eric said, a disease that is starting to get harder to cure!
Enjoy your PAMS dudes
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I have developed a sudden interest in the Omega PO Liquidmetal LE 42mm (yup the one with the 2500 movement). :Dancing_banana:
Did a forum search and this thread came up. :thumbsup:
Would anyone know if any AD still have this model? :Praying:
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Keeping home minister happy is most critical. Better still, poison your home minister so that she will understand and support your decision.
Anyway, pam is an unique experience and seems the heat of big pam will still last for quite a while. I skipped Omega for Pam and have never look back.
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Skali ur home / finance minister also got poisoned then there is really no stopping.... :)